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Mega Deal Friday: Brewer for AK47

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An upstanding RealGM member, jazzfan1971 proposed this deal that caught my eye:

Jazz trades: Andrei Kirilenko, Kyrylo Fesenko, Morris Almond

Minny trades: Corey Brewer, Jason Collins, Brian Cardinal

Why for Utah: Utah gets cap relief and a good young player to develop in Brewer. This should help them resign Boozer and company.

Why for Minny: Minny gets a talented 3/4 in AK along with two promising young guys in Fes and Almond. This should help them compete for a playoff slot in the talented West.

Andrei Kirilenko would provide the serious shot-blocking presence the Wolves lack and, since he can play the three, would allow Love and Jefferson to still play together. He can hit the long-ball, he can grab boards (although with Love and Al he probably wouldn't be asked to do so much) and he can frustrate defenses on the perimeter. The man has three quint-quints for chrissakes.

But, on the other hand, Kirilenko has dropped off in production significantly over the last three years. Not to mention he hasn't played more than 75 games in the last 4 years.

The price for taking him off the Jazz's hands is, in part, taking on $26.7 million in salary. Not only does that throw '09 or '10 free agency out the window, but it's in exchange for AK the question-mark.

Obviously the other major price to pay is giving up on Corey Brewer. While he hasn't been able to put together a modicum of consistency yet, he's shown some on-court flashes (e.g. 18 boards in one game). Moreover, his off-court demeanor and work ethic are admirable.

Adding Kirilenko would increase the already crowded 3 & 4 spots. With Al, Love, Craig, Gomes, Richard and Madsen all likely to get some minutes at PF and Miller, Gomes, and Carney all logging in at 3, there becomes a potential time-crunch.

Although a Foye/Miller/Kirilenko/Love/Jefferson lineup with McCants, Gomes, Craig and Telfair off the bench sounds pretty good for this year and then some.

Lastly, while AK is the main piece, Almond and Fesenko are still valuable prospects that have a decent shot at becoming long-term contributors in this league. And Fesenko's hilarious.

A move like this is obviously a big risk, but is it one worth taking? What say you?

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Interesting idea, though I don’t know that I’d agree with you about Kirilenko’s ability to hit the longball – this seems like the weakest part of his game to me, maybe the only weak part of his game. I don’t know about trading for Brewer, I personally love Brewer and think he’s going to be really good, but I’m also a huge fan of Kirilenko.

So why am I posting? I want to say this: Jerry Sloan has used Kirilenko terribly since I can remember. Everyone talks about what a great coach he is, but frankly his misuse of Kirilenko makes me think that “inflexible,” “uninventive” and “unimaginative” are better words to describe him. I know I’ve said this before but I was in Europe during Eurobasket 07, and hence was able to see how Kirilenko singlehandedly won that tournament for Russia (slight exaggeration; Holden was also very good, but nowhere near the same talent). Basically what I’m saying is this: Kirilenko is a once in a lifetime talent who is literally wasting away under Sloan’s lack of imagination. I’ve never seen anyone who could do as many weird, freaky things as he can, both on offence and defence (e.g. people who have only seen him in the NBA have absolutely no idea what a good passer he is), and it would be nice to see him go to a team that could make use of his talent.

by plinytheelder on Oct 10, 2008 1:43 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

looking back on the stats...

… he’s not a GREAT 3-point shooter, but he’s 31% on his career and shot 38% last year. not a game-changer, but no slouch either.

one other thing i missed were his assists. over the last five years he’s averaged 3.5 assists. if ak47, love and miller were out on the perimeter together on offense we wouldn’t have to worry about foye facilitating the offense.

i really like the point about not fitting into sloan’s system. i think that’s definitely hindering kirilenko’s mental state and on-court production.

by wyn on Oct 10, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I guess 38% isn’t bad, is it? I didn’t realize it was that high. To be honest I’m constantly amazed that anyone can shoot over 10%, these guys are so strong, I can barely get the ball to the basket from there. Maybe I’m just weak.

One thing about Kirilenko’s passing: he is one of the few guys I know of, especially among non-point guards, who actually use passing as an offensive weapon. Lots of guys are good passers, inasmuch as they can find open men, can dish off when they drive and the defence helps, etc. But Kirilenko is one of the few guys who actually gets the ball on the perimeter and looks to use the pass the way someone else would use a drive or a shot, if that makes sense. He faces up and immediately looks for teammates cutting, puts the ball in spaces in which he thinks they’ll be, etc. Fantastic fu**ing player, I could watch him all day.

by plinytheelder on Oct 10, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s definitly a good idea. Well thought about and it’s balanced. It’s something that could work for both teams. There’s a plus for both. Nothing unrealistical.

I do like AK47, I also liked Fesenko on draft day, I’m not sure about Almond if I can remember well he was also OK. It would also clear up our last batch of bad contracts. The fact that it would throw free agency out of the window is not a problem to me. We got AK47, we were thinking about getting Turkoglu, Childress or the-guy-from-indy .. AK is worth more than that. Besides, how good a chance have we got that players really wanna sign in Minny (cfr Livingston).

So it really sounds like an ok deal I still think I’d pass. The whole plan of the team was to keep a core of guys together and really make a team this time (as opposed to KG + parts). Make one oiled machine. So to plug someout out of that core, I’d have to be a real no brainer. This is a good trade but not a no brainer. The only thing that would make me change my mind is if Carney really showed he is here to stay.
In that case this trade would set us back 1-2 years chemistry-wise, but it would up our chances quite a lot.. on the other hand it would also close our window a bit… Tough one.

AK is also about the same age of Mike Miller. So another guy who’s going to be a real veteran when the young guys mature. So it’s basicly choosing between a guy who’s a veteran and has proven himself and one that’s still young, growing in the core and showing promise. Their games are quite similar if you ask me.
Straight up I wouldn’t do it .. Fesenko is nice .. but we already got Pekovic waiting for that last center spot .. for the sake of let’s not take any chance when we don’t have to .. I wouldn’t do it.

by Wim (Belgium) on Oct 10, 2008 2:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No, and here is a haiku why:

AK will break you?
No, he only break himself
Wife let sleep around

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 10, 2008 7:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

HILARIOUS!

Oh I forgot to mention, this trade could actually be good for Brewer, he might be one of those players who would really benefit from a very structured system like Sloan’s, in much the same way Shandon Anderson did (it was amazing how much better that guy was in Utah than anywhere else).

Anderson likes Sloan
In control, he hits the 3
In Houston he’s bad

by plinytheelder on Oct 10, 2008 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very nice

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 10, 2008 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

The thing AK is that he has to play the 4. If you look back at his position numbers in the past, his PER is 20+ at the 4 since 2003-2004, and while there was time the same was true at the 3, that is no longer the case. So while I like the idea, you’re pretty much going to have to move either Gomes or Smith to free up enough minutes for everyone. Also, you might have to look at using Love at the 3, which is certainly possible (on offense) if he shoots like he has in the preseason.

by McCleak on Oct 10, 2008 7:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think you have to make this trade just from the pure talent differential. I’m wondering the Almond factor makes this tough. He seems like he might have a little Rodney Stuckey in him.

If AK can’t play SF that would be a significant detractor on this trade, but it’d be great to have a legitimate defensive star on the team.

by Pants_ on Oct 10, 2008 8:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, let me make another prediction then, we’ll have one in 2-3 years: Brewer :)

by Wim (Belgium) on Oct 10, 2008 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

Brewer is kind of a poor man’s AK47 right now, minus the shot blocking. Plus he’s younger, has time to develop, and light years CHEAPER. There will be better fish to catch in the next couple years in free agency or trades if we keep our cap/cash situation in tact. Signing AK47 would seriously detract from that. If we make a trade it needs to be either a bonifide star or a young guy with loads of potential a la Big Al. Either will take money but that is something we will have in the next couple years. Plus we have some excellent up and coming players to use in trades (Craig Smith, Corey Brewer, Gomes, Telfair, etc.).
P.S. Has anyone been able to watch pre-season games on line? I tried with sopcast the other night and it wasn’t available….

by wolfen on Oct 10, 2008 11:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Very good deal for Utah ….. I wouldn’t do it from Minny’s perspective.

Utah gets cap space and the superior perimeter defender who has good potential. All they have to give up is a player who’s a complication in their system on both ends of the floor, plus two prospects in positions where they already have better young prospects.

Minnesota – giving up cap flexibility, taking on one of the worst contracts in basketball + a player who is a shadow of himself at small forward, and would be in the way of Love/Al if playing power forward.

by NBR on Oct 12, 2008 7:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As a Jazz fan...

4 things.

First… AK at the 4. I’ve been calling for it (and I’m not the only one) for a while. It seems that if Booze does leave after the season, it could be our best shot. Having him play on the wing is a bit hard because it forces him to stay out there, while he’s best causing havoc in the middle of the paint. And 2nd, the Jazz already have 1 wing starting without much of a jumper (Brewer). No need for 2.

Second… I love(d) Corey Brewer. Really. I was hoping the Jazz would trade up for him (instead, we got Almond, who’ll be a FA after this season now). I’m just not sure if giving up the 1 “impact big” who’ll definitely be under contract next season (Booze & Okur can opt out, ‘Sap is a FA-to-be) is the best thing. Especially not for another young wing (we have enough, and J-Slo seems to hate all of them). And not when our biggest need is interior help (I don’t think Cardinal & the elder Collins will help there).

Third… Yes, AK is overpaid. We all know that. But there’s not much you can do about it. Still, his game fits the Jazz well defensively (one of the few who plays defense), and his jack-of-all-trades acts is huge on the offensive end, especially now, with Deron out. He’s able to handle the ball when need arise, he’ll get the boards, he’ll attack the hole and move around without the ball, and occasionally he’ll even drop a three-ball.

And finally… Please! No more Collins’! We have 1, and that’s 2 too many.

by UtesFan89 on Oct 31, 2008 8:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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