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Splitting the Difference


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"What do I think of Love now?

I can only think how lucky we are not to be stuck with Mayo, who debuted with a 5-for-20 (including 0-for-7 on threes) and 10 points in the Grizzlies' 82-71 loss at Houston.

This gets tiring, but once again it's time to bow to the personnel genius of McHale, not to mention the coaching wizardry of Wittman."

Patrick Reusse - Star Tribune

Signs of schizophrenia Wednesday:

Bill Clinton campaigning for Barack Obama

Patrick Reusse gushing over Kevin Love (albeit sarcastically)

Watching the Wolves edge the Kings.

Since I am a terrible prognosticator, and a huge Wolves fan, let me first say it was great to see them win, especially since I dedicated an entire post to the victory last week. There was a lot to enjoy, particularly the ball sharing, balanced scoring, shutting down Kevin Martin, and the successful debut of Kevin Love.

But it shouldn't have been that hard. With Sacramento missing Brad Miller and Francisco Garcia, the Wolves shot poorly at the free throw line, didn't involve Big Al and Mike Miller much in the second half offense, and barely escaped with a two point win. Minnesota was out rebounded--again, in the second half--and allowed the Kings a number of second chances and opportunities to get back into the game.

So, I'll enjoy the "W", but against better competition, I'm afraid it wouldn't have been as joyous. Britt Robson mentions this in his missive about the game, but the idea that Randy Foye sat so long in the 4th has to concern folks both inside and outside the organization. He was a -10 for the evening with only 3 assists against 4 turnovers. For a club that shared the ball well last night with 25 assists, the reality that the point guard had a assists-to-turnover ratio in the negatory category is not a delicious one at all. It's a long season, though, and there'll be plenty of time to turn that around.

On the good side, we had the best two rookies in last year's draft on display, statistically speaking. Both Love and the Kings' Jason Thompson had impressive debuts, and far and away outdid anyone else in the Class of '08 in the opening Tuesday and Wednesday games. Love had a +20 for the night; in fact, the Wolves bench outshined the starters in the plus/minus category. For anyone that doubted the retention of Kevin Ollie over Blake Ahearn...ahem...please watch the last minutes of the game. The ability of Ollie to shut down Martin while Corey Brewer was able to guard John Salmons in the last possession of the game was huge.

I've said all along that on a team that overall is poor defensively, if you can play well in stretches and get a stop when necessary, for this year that will be good enough. The Wolves, with 10 steals, played opportunistic defense and translated those steals into easy points. Combine that with the ability to stop the Kings from getting a good look in the last possession, and we have the makings of progress, at least against the weaker teams.

So, there was lot to enjoy about the victory, but a lot of concern for the team as well. Sounds about right for a mid-30 win team. For today, I'll split the difference and stay positive.

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Wrong on Ollie..

Please don’t give Kevin Ollie any credit for the victory last night. A big reason that the kings made it a game at the end was because Ollie was in there. The offense looked terrible during the 4th when Randy was out (2 of Foye’s TO’s were actually nice penetrations and passes by him that Gomes dropped). That was a huge coaching blunder, Wittman got lucky. That being said we need to keep Al involved throughout the game. That and we need a good option to score points at the end of games. That option should involve our 2 best offensive players. You want Rashad to blossom? Why not put it in his hands in close games at the end and have him run pick and rolls with Al? He is able to get to the rim so easily. He could at least get up a good shot or hit Al on the roll, and then K-Love can crash the boards. My $.02…..

by wolfen on Oct 30, 2008 7:50 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wolfen.....

…check out PopcornMachine’s GameFlow:

http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20081029&game=SACMIN

Ollie was +6 in both major stints and he was key in responding to SacTown’s move to a small lineup in the closing seconds. Witt had some questionable rotations for sure, but Ollie had a very nice game off the bench and was quite instrumental in the team’s 9-0 and 16-6 runs. +13 with no TO and 3 asts in 16:36 is a pretty nice series of numbers from your backup point. The 2nd unit won this game with Shaddy, Brewer, Smith, Love, and Ollie posting the best +/- numbers.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 30, 2008 9:34 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm also...

…going to start the Mario Chalmers watch. Starting point from day 1 for the Heat.

7-13 from the field with 1-2 from beyond the arc. +2 with 7 boards, 8 assists, and 17 points in 35:46 minutes.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 30, 2008 9:45 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just one turnover from Chalmers, as well. I love that guy.

I know some got tired of the garment-rending over giving away Chalmers for likely nothing (okay, some cash and a 2nd round pick; but you don’t find a player of Chalmers calibur too often in the 2nd round), but man I have a bad feeling about that deal. Even if you’re not as big a Chalmers fan as I am (I liked his chances of being the team’s starting PG by mid-season), at the very least he could have saved Taylor the money he spent on Telfair.

Oh well.

Anyway, it was a fun game. I’m looking forward to this season for the first time in a long time because I believe they’re finally moving forward, not drifting aimlessly as they were during KG’s last few seasons or digging through the rubble like last year. Last night was a game they should have won, and I believe the closer-than-comfortable margin was the result of some uncharacteristicly poor charity-stripe work and the feeling-out process on the rotation/match-ups.

Also, are the Wolves who we thought they were? I found it amusing many of the strengths and weaknesses we all thought would be there seemed pretty much accurate on day one. (Although I expect some more threes in the future; although nobody—most notably Shaddy, but nobody else either—was kicking it out on the dribble drives. They were mostly going for their own or dishing it to a big. Jefferson seemed too eager to score on double and triple teams, as well, although the shooters weren’t exactly crisp moving around to make it easier for him).

Random thought: Jim Pete said Wittman didn’t allow rookies to wear headbands? L-A-M-E.

by jianfu on Oct 30, 2008 9:56 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah what the f***

is that stupid headband rule? Is that the most inane and arbitrary rule ever? Seriously…it’s as though Wittman came up with that rule because he thought he had too much credibility and had to get rid of some.

And what’s the with the Love-Bill Laimbeer comparisons? Come on Jim Pete.

by plinytheelder on Oct 30, 2008 10:46 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FWIW

Nate McMillan doesn’t allow headbands for any of the Blazers, rookie or vet. They all equally wipe away the sweat with their shirts.

"That game sucked, but I saw so much that makes me wanna see the next game. ... There's so much to be excited about. I'm so happy to be a Blazer fan." - hobobob 10/28/08

by jorga on Oct 30, 2008 11:33 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Never mess with a sportmans’ rituals. I really don’t get what’s so offensive about headbands.

by Wim (Belgium) on Oct 31, 2008 3:51 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Control...

…over rookies.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 31, 2008 7:30 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not saying I agree with it...

…but it’s a control thing.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 31, 2008 7:31 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I couldn't remember exactly why he did it

- I thought it was sort of a “new broom” … trying to erase the JailBlazers afterimage because so many of those guys did wear the headbands.

I asked on Blazers’ Edge (my home SBN site) and got several replies. Ben, one of the resident bloggers, said “nate is looking for uniformity, professionalism and a clean image. the guys don’t wear very baggy jerseys or shorts either. especially when compared to some other teams.” The players don’t seem to care – I haven’t read of any complaints. I think the last headband wearer was Zach Randolph who doesn’t seem to be wearing one with the Knicks.

"That game sucked, but I saw so much that makes me wanna see the next game. ... There's so much to be excited about. I'm so happy to be a Blazer fan." - hobobob 10/28/08

by jorga on Oct 31, 2008 5:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm a big...

…headband and wristband guy.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 1, 2008 7:42 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm with Wolven on this one

Not Foye’s best game to be sure, but I do think Wit rode Ollie too long in the 4th. Sacramento adjusted after the wolves went up 9 and they doubled off Ollie and it was clear Ollie didn’t want to shoot. I think they needed to go more offensive-minded there and Foye would have had a chance to make them pay. +/- isn’t a stat to get too excited about after one game, particularly against the kings, but it’s obvious that the Wolves are a deeper team with more defined roles this year. The question is are we going to see more of the good Brewer/Love (which i think we got last night) or more of the inexperienced Brewer/Love? I think that will tell us how this year is going to go, along with how Foye and McCants develop (or not).

And I think if the Wolves make their free throws (which they normally do) the game wouldn’t have been that close. Also, McCants missed some chippies that he should normally make — it was good to see him get in the lane with relative ease. On the minus side, their bigs abused us offensively and whoever Miller/McCants was guarding pretty much had their way (mostly Salmons). Defense is going to be a challenge for this team, particularly when teams have two bigs who can apparently step out and shoot the 15 footer (Dallas isn’t one of those teams, with the Dampier/Diaw combo). We’ll see if they can improve defensively as we get Collins back and guys get comfortable playing with one another.

A win’s a win.

by Sterno on Oct 30, 2008 10:03 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+- is only good to look at over a long period of time over the season. My bet is that if Ollie were to play that much in crunch time, over the season it would be way more of a minus. Just happened to be that last night it was a plus. Thanks for agreeing. Another thing – I guess I’m not seeing that McCants is such a defensive liability. His effort is there, he seems to play physical defense (especially when guarding someone bigger than him), and I’m willing to bet he’s the 2nd best on the team as far as being able to move his feet to stay with someone off the dribble. I think he’s getting a bad rap. Miller, yes, he was playing matador D. Just can’t move those feet like he needs to. Foye defended OK last night but that was because he was guarding the blindingly mediocre speed of Beno Udrih. He gets torched too much by quicker guards. We’ll see if he improves. Should be interesting to see how the defense changes when Collins gets some burn…..

by wolfen on Oct 30, 2008 10:14 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think that to some extent it's a moot point,

because starting in game 4, Ollie won’t be seeing much of the floor. What I liked about his game is that he was exactly the player the Wolves thought they were getting: good on D, steady on O. The only huge mistake I saw him make was to get trapped near halfcourt by Udrih (!) – but then Sac.’s bad D let him out of it with a pass to Jefferson for a dunk.

I liked McCants’s D too by the way. There was that one bogus call against him when he was denying someone the ball, Martin maybe. In fact I liked McCants’s overall game, with one exception: he has a hard time finding people on penetration (except Jefferson for some reason). Still, like Jim Pete said, if he can accept this role, he can be a really nice 6th man.

by plinytheelder on Oct 30, 2008 10:55 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A rock and a hard place...

I don’t think I was giving Ollie any credit for the win last night, but when your starting point guard is not performing well and your backup is suspended, I’d rather have Ollie than Ahearn. Would Ahearn have been able to guard Martin last night during Sac’s last possession? I don’t think so. I agree that the point guard play got away from them in the fourth, but if the Wolves (e.g. – Mike Miller) hits his free throws (Sterno’s point), it gets less nail biting at the end.

I’ll also agree that generally the third PG on most clubs is pretty situational; for Wittman to have given that much time to Ollie—especially in the fourth—is not good, but again a lot of those minutes would normally have gone to Telfair. Ollie would probably have been in for that last possession, because that’s a situation.

A couple of other things: Foye’s last pass to Gomes in the fourth was NOT a good pass, BTW. It was at the knees, when I think the idea was for Gomes to go baseline. It should have been at the waist, allowing Ryan to either shoot a jumper or slide to the hoop, in rhythm. And, I still think the Shaddy/Wittman dynamic is a work in progress. Shaddy’s going to have to prove he can be a clutch scorer. I imagine he’ll get those opportunities in other games.

by Peter W on Oct 30, 2008 10:14 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It’s true that Foye made some mistakes, but what I liked about him is that he didn’t look out of place at the position. A few times he was a bit tentative, didn’t know whether to pass or attack, didn’t know where to deliver the ball, etc. But to my mind those are things that will develop. He didn’t look out of place as a point guard, in my opinion, and he even had some nice moments in terms of ball control/offensive rhythm and ball hawking with Brewer, as someone already pointed out.

I think part of the problem is that, while Foye doesn’t look out of place at PG, the guy they traded for him already looks like Magic Johnson. Oh well.

by plinytheelder on Oct 30, 2008 11:03 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess

I watched too many Hawkeye basketball games where Tom Davis was coaching. They would feed the post and keep it low. His thinking was that tall defenders don’t want to go low to pick off the pass. Ya it may not have been a perfect pass, but it was catchable and most of all I liked his aggressiveness on that type of play where he penetrates deep and looks for the cutter. Gomers is an excellent cutter by the way….

by wolfen on Oct 30, 2008 11:23 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yah I agree...

…I think those passes were tough but catchable, and I also liked Foye’s aggressiveness. ps please never mention the evil Hawkeyes again on this site GO GOPHERS! ;)

by plinytheelder on Oct 30, 2008 11:35 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow...

…a Dr. Tom reference. His kid can coach too.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 30, 2008 12:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gophers gophers gophers… The gophs football team has lived a charmed life this year. Everything has aligned nicely for the furry critters. Too bad the lowly gopher is a prime food source for the soaring and majestic hawkeye. Hawks will bring the gophs back to reality when they meet on the gridiron in a few weeks…..

by wolfen on Oct 30, 2008 12:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Argh!

An Iowa Timberwolf? Somebody ban this guy! ;)

by plinytheelder on Oct 30, 2008 2:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’ll keep it hush hush and just talk about the wolves. They need all the fans they can get!

by wolfen on Oct 31, 2008 7:58 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I forgot about Chalmers...

and I watched him last night, flipping between the Wolves, Knicks/Heat, then Rockets/Grizz. At the risk of beating a moot subject to death, I’m with S-N-P, the Wolves probably blew it big time on him.

by Peter W on Oct 30, 2008 10:19 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

on the small win margin

keep in mind Love was playing terrific but only got less than 20 minutes of playing time. That’s a nice outlook for the future that when he gets his conditioning up (when he’s not a rookie anymore) we’re gonna have this guy on the court more .. and this wouldn’t have been such a close game.

Also the people that responded to the “our interior defense is going to be weak with Love and Jefferson” with “the other team has to be even more concerned about their own interior defense” seem to be right: 58 points in the point to significantly less for the Kings…
We’ll defenitly have enough with one bench defensive big guy, just for those moments that you need a stop.

Also, they might have lacked garcia and miller but we also didn’t have Telfair. Ok, on talent alone garcia and miller are worth more but PG is a potition we’re very thin on. We played our 3rd PG for a long stretch here … + he played good, shows how deep our bench is becoming.

by Wim (Belgium) on Oct 30, 2008 10:43 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To be fair to Witt...

…SacTown went with some pretty wacky lineups down the stretch. 4 guard rotations are goofy as all hell.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 30, 2008 12:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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