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Around SBN: Raiders' GM Begins The Purge

Foye, the team's starting point guard, is scheduled to make more than $3.5 million in his option year.

Brewer, last year's No. 1 draft choice, is scheduled to make a little more than $2.9 million.

The Wolves will not exercise their $2.5 million option on forward Rodney Carney but could try to re-sign him after the season as an unrestricted free agent.

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Is this the end of the deathmatch before it started? If we’re going for 2009 we can only choose between keeping or letting go of Mccants, Foye is out of the picture for that year. We can still do whatever for 2010 but…

by Wim (Belgium) on Oct 31, 2008 3:48 AM CDT reply actions  

One of the reasons...

…I advocated for it to be ended last year because it’s only going to get uglier as it becomes more and more obvious that Foye can’t play the point. Myles Brown at Slam was the 1st media writer to put this idea in a column, albeit with a slightly different angle:

Foye is a fine talent. He is an efficient three-point shooter, a respectable slasher, shoots well off the bounce and can finish at the rim. But he’s not a point guard. He doesn’t have the vision or the keen sense of timing and space a natural does. He’s certainly capable of creating for others, but not enough to entrust him with the execution of an offense. Of course, if one were to acknowledge this, the problem would be what to do next. Randy isn’t a cancerous player at all, but he has been stubbornly confident in his capabilities as a point guard and should that expriment end with him on the bench, it would be quite the blow to his ego.

More importantly, should he land on the bench, it would be next the only player on the team who has more of his ego at stake in Rashad McCants. Risking two of his key players becoming malcontents may be more than Wittman is willing to risk, but it’s clear he’s going to have at least one. But moving Foye to the starting shooting guard position isn’t really an option. Talent that he may be, it’s still unclear whether he can exploit his talents within the framework of the Jefferson/Miller Inside-Out Combo, which was a major talking point of the draft day trade. Besides, quite honestly, he’s not a better shooting guard than McCants. And Shaddy knows it, which would only further his persecution complex. Putting them together as a second team backcourt isn’t much of a solution either, as it’s easier to envision them fighting for shots than complementing each other.

I know it’s only 1 game into the season but I’ve been talking about the Foye/McCants thing for a while now. McCants has the greater potential to be a starting 2 but they’re both mostly geared to be a 6th guard/off-the-bench type of player. They have a long way to walk back the 4th quarter Foye/Roy-Foye business. Promotions-wise it wouldn’t be the first time they switched gears on a player:

What makes this more bewildering is what happened during Shaddy’s second season, remember? Waylaid by microfracture surgery, he became the go-to guy for in-game promotions and skits both corny and touching, and shined in the role. He was eminently likeable and warmly embraced. Was it just coincidence that, when finally cleared to play late in the season, that, despite obvious rust and physical limitations, he exerted himself more effectively on defense than any other time in his career?

This team is going in the right direction and it’s going to be a nice fun year. However, there are a few pretty glaring weaknesses that will continue to cripple this team if they are going to take the next step. Foye and McCants are the same type of player and the front office is pretending that one can play point….the one with the least amount of talent between the two. I know that McHale wants to re-animate the 87 Celtics and he would like nothing more than to have 2 6’4" guards a’la DJ and Danny but someone is going to need to be able to run the lead guard and I just don’t see Foye as being able to change his game. He’s almost 25.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 31, 2008 7:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Whoops...

…for some reason the 2nd paragraph of Myles’ story didn’t get put in quotation.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 31, 2008 7:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Check that...

…he is 25.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 31, 2008 7:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Also...

…I should note that I agree with Brown’s assessment of Foye. He’s a nice player, great in the community, and solid in the lockerroom, but from a personnel standpoint the front office got way out ahead of itself with him and the way he’s supposed to play on the squad. Again, this comes back to front office decisions. Taken by themselves, Foye, and McCants work as draft picks. Taken together it’s a bit different story.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 31, 2008 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Future point guard...

Maybe it’s Randy, maybe it’s not. Of course I hope it’s RF because that will mean that he had a good year and prooved himself. I’m not saying Childress is a genius but he saw that his “point guard”, QB Tarvaris Jackson, wasn’t getting it done, so he changed to Gus. I would like to think that if Foye had a subpar year that Witt and the brain(less) trust would realize we would need a new starting PG. RF is a good player and is valuable even if he isn’t starting. Maybe if he was on the 2nd unit that would allow him to just go off and maybe work his scoring a little more. If that were the case, I would almost prefer that Shaddy started and Miller played the 2nd line with Foye. We’ll see how all that plays out.

And getting back to the subject of future point guard, I hate it when people talk about potential draftees or free ageents who are score first point guards and say “we’ve already got one of those”. That may be, but our score first point guard is, at this point, an average score first point guard. If we could get a very good score first point guard, then bring him in. Don’t rule out guys cause they’re not “true” point guards. Pretty sure Baron Davis, Gilbert Arenas, Chauncey Billups, are guys of that nature I would kill to have on my team….

by wolfen on Oct 31, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have to respectfully disagree with S/P...

…or at least the guy he’s quoting. I don’t think Foye looked out of place at all at the PG spot in the first game. It’s clear that he’s learning the position – Udrih was able to take advantage of his green-ness at times – but I basically think he “gets it,” i.e. he has a kind of knack for the position. I could be wrong, and obviously I have no idea what happens when Telfair, whom I like very much, gets thrown into the mix and inevitably improves. But I basically think Foye can play PG and will show it.

I like 2 of Wolfen’s points. First, the mention of T. Jackson. From the first game, you kind of cringed when you saw him prepare to pass. I think the same thing would happen with Foye if he were an impostor at the PG position – you’d cringe when you saw him bringing up the ball, initiating the offence, penetrating, etc. I don’t think that’s the case with him, and I think that’s an excellent sign.

Second, the mention of Billups: I think this is a guy Foye could potentially emulate. Billups isn’t a “true” point guard in the mould of Nash or Kidd, but the fact that he’s a shoot-first PG doesn’t disrupt the Pistons’ offence. I think Tony Parker’s kind of the same way: watch him when he penetrates, he’s looking for his own shot, not to pass. Billups and Parker are great examples of non-traditional but fantastic PGs, and I think Foye could become something very similar. It’s all about being able to set a rhythm.

Anyways I might completely change my mind after a few games.

by plinytheelder on Oct 31, 2008 1:22 PM CDT reply actions  

I cringe a bit...

…every time he takes one of those kamakaze drives down the right hand side of the lane and jumps before deciding whether to shoot or pass. It’s his signature move. We’ll see. Here’s hoping it works out.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 31, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

For us not to keep Chalmers because he a supposed “shoot first point guard”, hopefully that wasn’t the deciding factor. And I’m not saying Chalmers is the 2nd coming of Chris Paul, but to me just watching him I think he has a higher ceiling than Foye, and I know he plays better defense. Man that just stings….

by wolfen on Oct 31, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

If The Wolves took Chalmers

with the second round pick, I would think that they would have decided not to resign Telfair. I think that is why they might have thought, well, we already have a shoot first point guard.

I think they probably wanted to have Telfair as an option for traditional PG over Chalmers and they were already commited to Foye and McCants. Although, chalmers could have been their third PG, I’m just not that sure he would have looked that much different than Foye.

I’m not sold on Foye, yet, but I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for the entire year. What other options do we have? I think Ollie can teach him a few things and I love his jumpshot.

Foye doesn’t have the picture perfect jumpshot of the vintage Trent Tucker, but after Tucker was taken with the 5th pick by the Knicks, they tried to make him into a point guard there. Tucker was not going ever prove himself as a PG. The same could be true of Foye. But, like Tucker and the Knicks, for this upcoming year we might not have any other choice. I hope we can fill that position next year and I do think that the Wolves signing FOye means they have made their choice btw Foye and Shaddy. Shaddy could prove hes the better player, but there doesn’t seem to be too much love for him around town right now. Hes going to have to be twice as good as Foye before the WOlves and fans embrace him over Foye, I’m afraid.

by Andy B on Oct 31, 2008 4:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Expected moves...

Carney could do what Telfair did last season depending on how he plays. Speking of Telfair, I can’t wait for his season to start.

by Twins Territory on Nov 1, 2008 10:31 PM CDT reply actions  

no kidding

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 3, 2008 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

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