Minnesota @ Denver GameThread, Nov 16, 2008 7:00 PM CST

GameThread 9: @ Denver

by wyn on Nov 16, 2008 3:48 PM CST Comment 121 comments

Minnesota @ Denver

Only thing that really matters tonight: Will the Wolves rebound mentally from the embarrassing loss last night?

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Al Jefferson should be effective tonight. K-Mart's a better help-side and perimeter defender than in the low-post and Nene's better as an active, disruptive defender than bodying up. If the Wolves can get Al the ball down on the low block, he should have a field day unless Nene and K-Mart can effectively double-team him. If they are, then Mike Miller, Rashad McCants and Randy Foye better start hitting shots. Sounds familiar, doesn't it?
Speaking of our guards, if any of them would like to start playing well on a consistent basis, now is a really good time.
Kevin Love has looked a little slowed winded by the speed and frequency of NBA games. That will not bode well for him playing an up-and-down frontcourt like Denver's. He's also been struggling mightily from the field, so his prospects on offense look better down low than on the elbow for the same reasons Al should have a decent night.

Game Time: 7pm Central

Broadcast: KSTC, KFAN

After last night's game I'm not sure who needs a win tonight more, the fans or the players.

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Please Please Please Wolves, could you get a win tonight

The Epic Choke Last Night hurts. Topped off with The Vikings Debacle today and the Gophers Failure yesterday…The Only Bright Spots are Tubby’s Squad, But they are playing lower 1A Schools and almost Blew the game vs Bowling Green Yesterday, Lucia’s Squad who had a nice 3-0 win over Michigan Tech Today after Blowing a 2-0 lead yesterday and ending up tieing at 2, But hey they are still UNDEFEATED!!!!!, And a Gaborikless Wild Squad.

by Tony_O on Nov 16, 2008 4:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Lineup has been reshuffled according to Zgoda

Jason Collins Will get the Start at Center, Al Jefferson Moves To PF because Kevin Love had some Issues in two Pre-Season Matchups vs Kenyon Martin, and Ryan Gomes replaces Corey Brewer at SF.

by Tony_O on Nov 16, 2008 6:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Telfair, Miller, Gomes, Jefferson, and Collins

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 7:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Jason Collins

How Long till Wittman Benches Him?, i Like the Guy but he will probably end up like Antoine Walker Last Year, Play Alot, then Start Playing Less and Less and then Finally Inactive every game.

by Tony_O on Nov 16, 2008 7:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

You could have an 8 foot giant with a 40 inch vertical next to big al....

….and it still wouldn’t help him deal with jefferson’s issues on d. He’s just out of position on so many plays.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think he's giving about a 5 yard buffer on K-Mart

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Golden Gophers Lead Georgia State 35-23 at Halftime.

by Tony_O on Nov 16, 2008 7:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

K-Mart has a lips-shaped bruise on his neck

That is a bruise, isn’t it?

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 7:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

are you watching the channel 45 broadcast?

those guys had a funny exchange about that – funny in the uncomfortable kind of way (best kind).

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

How is it possible to have more offensive rebounds than points?

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 7:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

When It Comes to the Timberwolves...KG Sums it up Best

“ANYTHINGS POSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!”

by Tony_O on Nov 16, 2008 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

lol

well played

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wolves are getting their asses kicked

but I have to admit, I like this new starting lineup. Kudos to Wittman. I thought he’d really settled into the other one, I didn’t see this coming. Don’t know if it will work, but hell, they had to try something.

I’ve also been a fan of Collins since he basically outplayed Chris Bosh in the playoffs a couple of years ago. Anyways we’ll see how it goes.

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 7:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Sorta Making a Comeback LOL

by Tony_O on Nov 16, 2008 7:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

mistake by Foye, why go into that corner and clog that side of the court/

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 7:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Thats Gotta Be one of the Worst Names i've ever heard of...

the Howl Towel….

by Tony_O on Nov 16, 2008 7:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

wouldn’t be surprised if McCants saw about 0 minutes tonight (especially now that Ollie’s in)…sure seems like he’s on a different page from Wittman

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 7:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Who Knows with Wittman.

by Tony_O on Nov 16, 2008 7:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

hehe true enough

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 7:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wow…Foye caught the ball and took a 3 without hesitating! AMAZING!

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 7:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

did he make it, i havent been paying attention?

by Tony_O on Nov 16, 2008 7:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yup

and he made another one of those infamous just-inside-the-line 2s

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 7:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I can't tell you how frustrating that was to watch last night...

…he had 3-4 open 3s that he dribbled into a shot just inside the 3 point line. Sometimes with one foot beyond the line.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I feel you

seemed like he was either shooting just inside the line, or passing up the shot entirely

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 8:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

6 shots just inside the 3

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/shotchart?gameId=281115016

I counted 3 in person that he dribbled away from an open 3.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 8:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

hey did the refereeing seem as f***ed up in person

as it did on TV? Beyond the Roy phantom calls, there were the Steve Blake punching-whoever-comes-near-me moments. Not making excuses for the loss, just an observation.

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 8:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

there you go Shaddy

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 8:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

holy crap!!!

a spot up 3 with ball rotation!!! imagine that!!!

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 8:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

We actually came back in this game, Unbelievable.

by Tony_O on Nov 16, 2008 8:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I'm really liking this half

Wolves are down but I like Wittman’s ideas – starting Collins, playing Ollie. Shows how dumb I am, I thought they shouldn’t play Ollie all year.

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 8:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Notice where the double teams are coming from on Big Al

When Bassy is in there, they come from his guy. With Miller, Foye, Gomes, and Rashad, they come from Gomes’ guy.

I can’t say it enough: space the perimeter with Al on the low block. If you have a guy like Collins or Love in there, place him at the elbow, or, with Love, at the wing.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 8:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

If only he could pass better

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 8:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah good point

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 8:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Very Good Point.

by Tony_O on Nov 16, 2008 8:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Last night at the game...

…it was very noticeable in person that he couldn’t recognize the pass quickly enough. There were a few times in the 1st half where he’d camp on the block and Portland would run a double across the baseline. This forced the Wolves into a 2 situation sort of play: 1- make the dangerous cross court pass to the man left open in the opposite corner or hit the cutter from Al’s 1/2 of the court. Brewer ran the cut on one and I think Shaddy had another but Al missed both men and he was unable to get the lob pass across court to the wide open guy on the other side. Even if he had attempted the pass, I’m not sure there was enough spacing on the weak side where it wouldn’t have been picked off by one of Portland’s athletic wings. Anyway, you’d at least expect him to look at the cutter or to drop step through the double (tough) and see what his options are then.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

hmm that's a shame

I thought one of the real positives so far this year (one of the few) was Al’s improved passing. Then again that was against teams like Sacramento and the like.

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 8:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

whoa

Phx shooting 70% against Detroit at the half, up 15, Iverson 4 points and 4 turnovers

wonder how long it will take those Detroit guys to accept him, they can’t be very happy about the trade.

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 8:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Telfair benched?

strange

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 8:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Were Tied Up Amazingly

by Tony_O on Nov 16, 2008 8:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

man

to that point Foye’s D on Billups had been great…then he leaves him open to double…who? Nene? Martin?

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 8:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

lol

Guess that’s the solution to the Wolves’ PG problems – BIG AL!

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 8:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

LOL

by Tony_O on Nov 16, 2008 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What is this Lead that we have...

Never Seen those before….

by Tony_O on Nov 16, 2008 8:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Just wait for the 12 point 4th

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

SHHHHHH

We Dont Talk about that around here (My Randy Wittman Impersination) LOL

by Tony_O on Nov 16, 2008 8:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

man Love's confidence must be shot

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 8:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

yep...

…melo over his back….at least melo gave him a tap on the head to acknowledge the superstar treatment.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 8:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

this Overbeck guy's gotta go

plus they need to play that Celtics game just to get rid of these commercials

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 8:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Those are the Worst Commercials i have ever seen.

by Tony_O on Nov 16, 2008 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

lol

yeah bring back the Sweetwater guy

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Sweetwater Jones Was Awesome

by Tony_O on Nov 16, 2008 9:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed...

….I saw that damn commercial for the 1st time last night and it was awful. I usually watch the opposing team’s league pass crew so I don’t get anything but NBA commercials during the break. It’s one of the benefits of signing up for LP in Little Rock, AR.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Sooooo.....

…how much Miller and Love will we see in the 4th? My over/under is 6 combined minutes.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 8:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

most nights I'd agree on Love

but it almost might be better if he doesn’t play tonight

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 9:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Still...

..Love > Smith.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 9:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I almost wonder if it shouldn’t be Al/Collins tonight. Though you give up a lot on O that way

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 9:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You know...

…after the stinker he put up against Portland, Foye is having a nice game.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 9:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

yeah...

I thought that Foye/Ollie backcourt in the first half was the best backcourt the Wolves have had all year. Good D too.

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 9:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed...

…it looked 1/2 way professional.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 9:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Brandon Roy gets that call...

…he got it all last night.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 9:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

those phantom calls for Roy

were driving me crazy. That and Blake punching everybody.

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 9:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It was really obvious in the arena that Roy was getting some...

…questionable calls. He had a few shots where he’d jump sideways into his defender.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 9:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Shaddy's playing some nice d tonight...

…and it probably accounts for his PT

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 9:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

9 threes and 2 Mike Miller shots

….when they lose, this is where I’m pointing.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 9:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I'll take these Nenê isolations all night long

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 9:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

SHOOT THE BALL RANDY

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 9:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I was just about to type that

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 9:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah

that dude needs to think: When I’m the point guard, all I need to do is bring the ball up and make the entry pass to the wing or post – after that I’m a shooting guard again.

OK end of rant

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 9:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Early shots in the shot clock....

….+ taking the open 3 on the kick out would do this team wonders.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 9:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Un Needed Technical Al...Settle Down

by Tony_O on Nov 16, 2008 9:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Wow....bad call

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 9:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

the guy closest to the whistle swallowed it....

…but the whistle comes from 1/2 court-

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 9:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

yeah he only called it because Martin missed the dunk

ALRIGHT HERE’S OVERBECK AGAIN!

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 9:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

time out

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 9:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

call it now

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 9:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hooray!!!

A real coaching call!!!

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 9:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I got a feeling about this one, I think they might win tonight.

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 9:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

still only 9 threes and 3 miller shots

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 9:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

AJ is torturing the Nuggets this half.

by McCleak on Nov 16, 2008 9:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

A weave!!!

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 9:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

McCants...

…waited too long on the p-n-r and he just blew a double team leaving JR Smith

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 9:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Since when can Carmelo get rebounds

by McCleak on Nov 16, 2008 9:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

hehe

he’s actually not a bad rebounder is he?

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 9:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Looking at ESPN, he was pretty mediocre until last year

I guess I never realized he got on the ball, as it were.

by McCleak on Nov 16, 2008 9:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Please dont choke this away again!.

by Tony_O on Nov 16, 2008 9:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Jefferson is a terrible weak side rebounder...

…watch him when he’s on the opposite side of the shooter….he just stands there and doesn’t seal his man

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 9:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

this might sound dumb but I say get Ollie back in there

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 9:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Boy...

…Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, and more Love. How many more rebounds do you want to see Smith lose?

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 9:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I get that they're running him off and on Melo....

…but still…the rebounding is getting ugly.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 9:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

12-2 run

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 9:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

collins back

Good move, needed either him or Love

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 9:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

yep...

..the rebounding has been an issue for the last 5 minutes.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 9:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

All these dead balls

Bring in brewer for miller — you know you’re getting a timeout after this, whatever happens.

by Sterno on Nov 16, 2008 9:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

That was Foye's fault....

…look at Witt get after him too.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What on earth is a point guard...

…giving the ball to Miller in the middle of Collins and Foye in that small of a space? What was he supposed to do?

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 9:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

These are some pretty f'ing basic concepts at point

spacing, spacing, spacing, and more spacing. angles, angles, angles, and more angles.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 9:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I have to see the replay of that

because I don’t follow. You mean where he got the ball to Miller on the wing and Miller was called for the offensive foul?

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 9:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He dribbled to the wing and basically handed it off to miller who was closely guarded....

….Foye’s man had him blocked off from running away quickly enough to give Miller space and Collins was there with his guy. It was a 6 man traffic jam on the wing with a guy who can’t dribble through close spaces.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 9:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah, but I think the basic plan is to get Miller the ball on the wing -

don’t you think the onus is on him to wait until some space clears? There’s no reason he needs to put it on the floor.

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 9:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well....

….after seeing him kind of weakly break away and then watching Witt lay into him….my guess is PG FUBAR.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 9:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah maybe.

I thought it was for the play earlier where he overpenetrated (I thought) and then kicked it out to Gomes on the baseline, who missed. But I think you might be right.

Anyways I do think Foye’s not the PG for the end of the 4th. It’s a shame, I think he did fine there for much of the game…but for whatever reason, he’s not setting a really nice tone here. I’d go with Ollie, that was their best backcourt.

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

playing GAP band at the Pepsi Centre!

they gotta give the Target people some tips

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 9:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Not Again....Christ Almighty

by Tony_O on Nov 16, 2008 9:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

sorry...i was off by one...

…they’ll have a 13 point quarter

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 9:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yup. Game over.

Can’t go under that screen on Billups if you’re Foye either.

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 9:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

17-2 run

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 9:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

it is what it is boys....

we’re not that good…

by wolfen on Nov 16, 2008 9:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Man, I am so sick of teams

sleepwalking through 3.5 quarters and then winning.

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 9:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Miller shoots in the 4th !!!!

AMAZING!!!

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 9:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Miller still in there....

…no defensive subs. This is mind numbing. You know you need to foul. You know there will be a dead ball. You can get Miller back in there.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 9:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

6 of 8 losses...

…with leads in the 4th.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 9:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

If Miller isn't going to shoot....

….why have him out there? Please explain.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 9:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Only 11 3s

Denver is shooting 33% from the floor but 10-23 from beyond the arc. Shoot the f’ing 3.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 9:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

2nd game in a row....

….where the opposing team sleep walks through 2/3 of the game and still wins.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 9:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

lol 9/10 I'd say

damn embarrassing

by plinytheelder on Nov 16, 2008 9:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Devil's Advocate....

….if Love isn’t going to play in the 4th, and Big Al clearly needs a backcourt buddy to help win late games, is the Mayo trade a defacto loss for the Wolves simply on the basis of the way the coach is playing the personnel?

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 16, 2008 9:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Don't forget...

the wack-o, ineffectual play of Mike “See My Trade Value Plummet?” Miller.

What a messed up organization. I’m beginning to think it doesn’t matter if they had kept Roy; if you’re drafted here you’re doomed. When even previously decent guys like Miller come in and suddenly appear completely lost, what can you do?

by jianfu on Nov 16, 2008 10:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs