In-game "Entertainment" Poor Form
The following post from the MN Sports Fans Timberwolves forum came through my feed reader this morning. However, I wasn't able to find the original post in the forums, so I wonder if it was removed. Thus, here's the entire post:
I did *not* appreciate the not-so-subtle homophobia... from The Lizard King
...displayed at the Boston game tonight at the Target Center by the Wolves management.
I went to the game tonight with my son. During one of the timeouts, Crunch (the mascot) brings out a skateboard helmet with two antennae glued to it in one hand and a megaphone in his other hand (kind of like the ones used by male cheerleaders in college). The beginning of the schtick was that Crunch was a scientist/inventor, and he just discovered a device that can read people's minds...
He puts it on one courtside dude's head, and points the megaphone at the jumbotron -- up came a picture of a glass of beer. The crowd roared, collectively thinking to itself, "cool, the dude likes beer."
Crunch then moves on to another courtside dude, puts the helmet on his head, and points the megaphone at the jumbotron -- up came the picture of Pamela Anderson (jiggly footage from Baywatch). Again, the crowd roared, collectively thinking to itself, "cool, the dude likes to look at Pamela Anderson bouncing around in a red one-piece bathing suit."
He moves on to the last dude, an obvious Celtics fan, decked out in full Celtic gear/regalia. Cruch places the helmet on the dude's head and points the megaphone at the jumbotron -- up came the picture of David Hasselhof (also footage from Baywatch), implying, of course, that only a male Celtics fan would think about David Hasselhof's hot body. Again, like a bunch of sheep, the crowd roared in approval. Not good. :no:
The "joke" when right over my young son's head (he's 8), but I was in no mood to explain the "joke" to him, even after he badgered me numerous times to explain it to him. Overall, a tasteless schtick from the Wolves, and I would hope that they shelve that routine forever. :hammer3:
I usually have fun at the games, win or lose. Tonight's "humor," though, left me feeling like the Wolves had crossed the line from family entertainment to blatant homophobia. Doesn't Glen Taylor know what Twin Cities minority demographic group supports his Lynx more than any other that one can think of?
Sheesh. Just my $0.02. Carry on with the b!tching/moaning about: 1. McHale; 2. Hoiberg; 3. Wittman; 4. Taylor; 5. The Love/Miller for Majo trade, etc. if you must. Of all the screwball management decisions that the Wolves have made over the past 20 years, this one ranks as number 1 with me.
It may seem like a small thing to some readers, but I shared The Lizard King's offense at a joke obviously made at the expense of homosexuals.
Regardless of any individuals' view on the matter, I don't see what the Timberwolves could gain by alienating a potential group of fans. And before anyone starts arguing there aren't basketball fans in the gay community, click those links. If anyone's actually got comparative data on the proportion of straight and gay people that are sports fans, I'll listen.
Didn't the Wolves marketing department hear about the whole dust-up this summer about KTLK's idiot announcer making a derogatory dig about the Lynx and gay community? Heck, SnP heard about it all the way down in Mankato.
This isn't about a politics and sports intersection, this is about a team with terrible attendance using a specific demographic as the butt of a joke. Again, it might seem small to some people, but I'd bet a pretty penny that more people than just The Lizard King and I took umbrage with Friday's performance.
And another thing, this "Celtics fan" in the skit was obviously a plant. He wore #1 C's jersey with no name printed on the back and shortly after the skit put a pea coat on and exited through the tunnel, not to be seen again. This whole thing of spicing up antics with plants is understood (to ensure the intended joke gets across), and it really does appear to fool some attendees. But, personally, I find it annoying and contrived.
While I'm complaining about the in-game entertainment, is anyone else embarrassed that the same "America's Funniest Home Videos"-style clip is trotted out almost every game? And, moreover, that game attendees seem to eat up said-repeated video clip every game?
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I'm surprised...
..they didn’t save this garbage for Guys Night Out on Wednesday. Free beer and tits!!! It really is sad.
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by Stop-n-Pop on
Nov 24, 2008 11:01 AM CST
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Ladies' Night Out...
“Each Timberwolves Ladies Night Out package includes a $50 ticket to the game and a voucher for a pregame wine & cheese party on suite level from 6-7pm. At the party, customers will receive a $20 reVamp! salonspa gift card and the opportunity to meet the wives of Timberwolves players and coaches.”
Guys’ Night Out: “Each Minnesota Timberwolves Guys Night Out package includes a $35 ticket to the game and a voucher to redeem for a pregame reception in room A/B on suite level from 6-7pm. At the pregame reception, attendees will receive a Budweiser Timberwolves shirt, a free poster of the Timberwolves dancers, free photos with the Timberwolves dancers and snacks.”
“and snacks.”
by wyn on
Nov 24, 2008 11:14 AM CST
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Liquor and boobs...
….vs. wine and cheese. It’s bad enough that they have a team of strippers that runs out on the court a couple of times during the game.
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by Stop-n-Pop on
Nov 24, 2008 12:42 PM CST
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Well...
… I agree that the purpose of the dance team is one-part cheerleading and nine-parts sexual titillation. I don’t have kids, but if I had daughters I wouldn’t want them to emulate the dance team. And if I had sons, I wouldn’t want them to latch onto the habit of oggling women (despite the hypocritical aspect that I find myself doing it from time to time).
However, I wouldn’t call the dance team “strippers.” Despite any similarities (i.e. the titillation part) I think it’s unnecessarily insulting to call them “strippers.”
Like I said, I wouldn’t encourage my hypothetical daughters to become dance team members OR strippers, but I’m not so sure that I’d stop them if they were dead set upon it. It’s the whole disagree with the choice, but support their individual right to make it. Of course, it’s a lot easier to say that about hypothetical daughters.
As far as the team’s responsibility in using sex to attract attention to something wholly unrelated, again, it’s their choice to make, but I will disagree until they get rid of it.
by wyn on
Nov 24, 2008 1:17 PM CST
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I wouldn't call them strippers either...
…until my 10 year old daughter asked why they’re shaking their hips in their underwear to a song about sex. I come from more of a standpoint that if women want to strip and dance, fine, but the real culprits for the sleeze are the men who trot them out there to move product.
This:

…is not needed at a basketball game. Also, while I don’t think I’d stop my daughter from stripping, I sure as hell would express my disappointment and cut off all of her funds if she chose to do so while still in college or getting on her feet. Ditto for dancing in underwear in front of a bunch of people. This sort of career choice isn’t even on the radar for young men and it shouldn’t be for young women either.
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by Stop-n-Pop on
Nov 24, 2008 1:40 PM CST
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BTW:
I see that we have a “Is your man gay?” advertisement on the side of the site. Gotta love internet advertising. Type in a key word and get an ad.
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by Stop-n-Pop on
Nov 24, 2008 1:52 PM CST
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Also...
…I may be a bit over-sensitized to the issue because of my daughters. My oldest is 10 and I’m already having to explain to her why a 15 year old Hannah Montana talks about how much she likes to watch Sex in the City in a Vogue interview while dating a 20 year old underwear model….or why she can’t get an IM ID like some of her friends, and so on and so forth. It’s a constant bombardment of over-sexualized women. I realize at some point I don’t have control and I have to trust her judgment but it’s completely overwhelming. It’s literally everywhere. My plan was to geekify her with science fiction, orchestra, and math and while I have her hooked on all 3, she still has friends that aren’t with the program and she’s veering closer and closer to the “cool” crowd…which is little more than kids who don’t have many boundaries and whose parents let them do whatever the hell they want….like practice grind dancing in skimpy outfits out in the garage while mom and dad watch a movie.
At some point enough is enough and you just have to look for entertainment options that don’t involve women in skimpy outfits urging men to drink and get stupid….with free Budweiser t-shirts.
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by Stop-n-Pop on
Nov 24, 2008 2:09 PM CST
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It's now switched to "Hugh Downs Report"
Must be something wrong with the algorithm…
by wyn on
Nov 24, 2008 4:33 PM CST
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Is Hugh still alive?
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by Stop-n-Pop on
Nov 25, 2008 7:34 AM CST
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It is what I can't stand about sports.
And the WOlves take it too the nth degree. What is wrong with marketing the product. You know, I like the Twins campaign that has the annuoncer talking about Justin Morneau and Dudley Dooright or Mauer and his sideburns. The star fo the campaign is not the announcer but the players. And it doesn’t have to be the star player. The Twins have focused on the talents of several players.
The Wolves, first with Sweetwater and now Overbeck, want to make a star mor marketable than the players and it won’t work. You can’t trick fans to have fun at a basketball game.
Crush, the Dancers, and pregame introductions, halftime ceremonies and the like are all part of the package and when done right they can be nice distractions during TV timeouts, halftime and other stops of play. But, they cannot make up for a bad product. Sweetwaters best stuff was when he focused on the players. I was actually looking forward to what he could do with Kevin “Love” and all the oldtime soul classics with Love in the title.
Perhaps if the Wolves can finally turn a little corner and put a better product on the floor each night less emphasis will be placed on stupid marketing campaigns.
by Andy B on
Nov 24, 2008 11:15 AM CST
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Exactly...
…Love has more play in ESPN commercials than he does with his own damn team. The whole Love/Jefferson duo is just begging for a series of commercials and instead they’ve resorted to some BS leftovers from a bad Will Ferrel movie.
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by Stop-n-Pop on
Nov 24, 2008 12:40 PM CST
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Agreed on the bit at the celts game
So sophmoric it was ridiculous.
Isn’t this par for the course with this organization? That joke MIGHT have passed muster back when McHale became head of the FO (i’m sure the bit wasn’t his idea, but if he’s still around, I gotta figure that the guys who are coming up with in game bits have been around at least as long. Or do you suppose it was: “We made a lot of homophobic jokes in the locker room during the 86 season, so let’s bring that back too!”
Anyway, I’m assuming we’ll get the “Turkey-lurkey-dee” song on Wednesday and perhaps Saturday nights. I always enjoyed that one.
by Sterno on
Nov 24, 2008 1:40 PM CST
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Gay jokes in bad taste
I was at the game on Friday night and thought that the joke was kind of in poor taste, but did not think much of it at the time. Then, this morning in the Washington Post, there was a column that said that after Propostion 8 in California, there is no more Mr Nice Gay. If you hear inappropriate gay comments, you need to speak out against them even if you are a straight white male, like I am.
I plan to call the Timberwolves to complain about this humor.
by jgale on
Nov 24, 2008 4:02 PM CST
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Here's the contact info...
…for anyone else who is wanting to do the same:
Timberwolves | Lynx Offices
600 First Avenue N
Minneapolis, MN 55403
612-673-1600
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by Stop-n-Pop on
Nov 24, 2008 4:18 PM CST
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I contacted Wolves
I dropped my STH rep an email yesterday and explained my discomfort. He apologized and said that he would convey my concerns to the game entertainment manager person. As I said to him, I like a cheap laugh as much as the next guy, but a pie in the face of a planted opponent fan manages not to offend whole groups of people (other than the poor retches rooting for somebody like the Suns).
by A.K. Agikamik on
Nov 25, 2008 10:07 AM CST
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I think that's another tough part about all of this...
…everybody wants to have fun and not be a prude, but surely there are ways to do so without having to resort to cheap stereotypes seems like a much better course of action.
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by Stop-n-Pop on
Nov 25, 2008 11:38 AM CST
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Paging Howard Beale...
Now a Network-parody ad campaign is something that might fly.
by E-6 on
Nov 24, 2008 8:26 PM CST
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yeah!
maybe something with a scantily clad faye dunaway-type for some eye candy…now we’re talkin! hubba hubba!
ooops! um, sorry, lost sight of the spirit of this thread…what i meant was, let’s clean this business up!
by secretarykissinger on
Nov 24, 2008 9:25 PM CST
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hey aren’t you the guy who wanted to trade McCants to Detroit and then call them the “Shad boys”?
by plinytheelder on
Nov 24, 2008 10:57 PM CST
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yeah
in the midst of the detroit blowout euphoria, it seemed like a good idea. perhaps i went too far.
actually, unloading mccants, even at a bargain rate, to any takers, still seems like a good idea.
by secretarykissinger on
Nov 25, 2008 12:53 AM CST
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unrepentant!
no wait, i take back that original half-retraction. my “shad boys” idea was at least as good as anything the wolves pr office has come up with lately. seriously, “fourth quarter foye”? “love shack”?
on a related note, i was reading the detroit bad boys blog and one of the commenters on there was expressing a similar sentiment to those on hoopus who are frustrated with the distracting bread and circuses approach to winning over fans: “smack that dancing kid upside the head.” so at least its not just us.
by secretarykissinger on
Nov 25, 2008 1:02 AM CST
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You know, everyone I've ever met
from Detroit (not that many people admittedly) has had a similar attitude, “don’t give me that bullsh**, just play.” Good people.
I actually think I’m in awe of you for the “shad boys” line. If the Wolves’ PR dept. is to maintain any credibility, I think they need to go in the very direction you suggest: extremely bad puns. I’m trying to think of one right now, and am coming up empty.
Still trying.
Still trying.
(something with Gomes, hmmm, unusual name, gome from bad to worse, no that won’t work, hmmm)
sh*t
by plinytheelder on
Nov 25, 2008 9:52 AM CST
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About the gay joke:
Does gay also account for people who are bisexual? We use the word “holebi” for the whole group here, HOmoseksual, LEsbian, BIsexual, just gonna use “gay”, but I mean the whole group.
While I’ve always been very outspoken about respecting gay people, up to the point where a friend came up to me and couldn’t contain his curiousity and just asked if I myself was gay (which I’m not), I do believe that you have to develop some kind of a shield against humor. Hans Teeuwen said it best in this little bit, I’ve linked it before but for the ones who haven’t seen it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knRLJp-nqSg
That said, it’s a fine line between what’s hurtfull and what is ok. It’s a very subjective matter. It’s already been mentioned in the previous topic, how far do you respect someone who does inrespectful things. Are you inrespectfull if you don’t respect someone who isnt? No easy answer to that.
On this particular matter, it’s easy to see there really was no need to use something gay here. I understand the thing with Pamela Anderson going to David Hasselhof and what the link is. 9 chances out of 10 they didn’t really think it would offend anyone. I understand where they’re coming from though, obviously, there are plenty of other women they could have used to link to something else for the Celtics dude.
You could even argue that there’s objectification of the woman in this commercial and that it is equally offensive as the gay joke thing.
So while I really am a supporter of equal rights for minority groups like the holebi community and feminism (am actually trying to date a girl who’s a quite outspoken feminist), also see my website: http://users.telenet.be/wolvenclaw/sxe/site/en/ideology.htm ; the shorter url will be up sometime in the future), I do think that in humor, especially humor that is funny, a lot goes, there is a border but we have to safeguard that we don’t get overly protective either, everyone is a potential target so everyone should be able to take a hit here and there, the advice I’d give the wolves is: be creative, don’t pick on the same groups over and over.
About planting:
Since I’ve just mentioned Hans Teeuwen, I’ve seen some of his shows on tape and it’s obvious: if you go sit in the front row with this guy, you’re bound to get involved in the show somehow. That’s something that works for all stand up comedians, you just don’t sit in the front row if you don’t want to get picked on.
On a basketball game, I figure it doesn’t work this way. You pay good money to see a game up close, not to have a chance of interacting with Crunch during halftime. So what I’m trying to say is, the alternative of planting is using actual fans, I can really imagine some people not liking to be made fun of when having paid good more for tickets so I’m glad they leave the actual fans out of it…
About the cheerleaders and sexy-is-everywhere:
While I’m definitly not a prude and have been yea-I’ve-got-porn-and-am-not-ashamed-about-it" since I was about 15-16 I do think the line has been crossed. Where’s the intimicy, where’s the naughtyness and the secrecy. Enough is enough, it’s not because I’m ashamed or because I think it’s not “proper gentlemens conduct” or something like that, but I really don’t need to have sex in my face the whole time. You can’t long for something if it’s out there all the time.
I do believe cheerleading can be a good thing. There’s nothing wrong with beautifull women keeping the spirit of a crowd going by performing spirited dancing or acrobatics. Just make the sexy part suggestive instead of in-the-face, make it about the dancing and acrobatics in the first place, about the girls only second.
by Wim (Belgium) on
Nov 25, 2008 3:10 AM CST
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Yeah straight edge!!!
We’ll have to have a Minor Threat day for Wim. ;)
It’s a tough thing to find the line between cheerleading and the sort of thing that gets run out at football and basketball games. Baseball has found a way to avoid it although I don’t think it’s long before they get a dance team. I think the big problem is that it’s everywhere and used to sell everything. Hell, there’s a Cadillac commercial that promises that the car will turn you on when you turn it on. Really? We’ve gone that far? Levi’s has a new commercial out where a young looking girl and boy (who look about 14-15) ask eachother if this is the first time they’ve “done it”. The camera pans back and it turns out they were taking off their pants to jump in the water. Sure. I needed to take a shower after watching the damn thing. They were literally trying to sell me jeans with images of underaged sex. Someone put in the Lee Greenwood….AND I’M PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN, WHERE AT LEAST I KNOW I’M FREE.
I’m pretty sure the Levi’s commercial is why Al Qaeda hates us. Hell, I hate us for that garbage.
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by Stop-n-Pop on
Nov 25, 2008 7:48 AM CST
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Zach Puchtel
Blame it on the local traditional sports media, none of whom ever saw fit to comment when the Gopher’s Zach Puchtel came out of the closet.
by TMiss on
Nov 25, 2008 10:24 AM CST
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Here's a link...
…to an article about what TMiss is writing about. Also, I think this issue would be more of a news story in mainstream circles if it were a joke done at the expense of a stereotype about race (innate) or religion (choice). I like to fall back on the “what would happen if this joke were made about a stereotype of a black guy or a Jew” test. You can insert your own race and creed to your liking. It’s one thing to play with stereotypes as satire to make a larger point, but…well, I don’t think this one was particularly well thought out.
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by Stop-n-Pop on
Nov 25, 2008 11:45 AM CST
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Are you claiming to be a black Jew?
Rod Carew will come get you.
by wyn on
Nov 25, 2008 12:17 PM CST
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I am...
…and I voted for Pat Buchannan in Broward County during the 2000 election.

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by Stop-n-Pop on
Nov 25, 2008 12:26 PM CST
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Wow...
…it took us that long to make a recount joke. I’m kind of disappointed in us. :)
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by Stop-n-Pop on
Nov 25, 2008 12:26 PM CST
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I thought it was hilarious. Sorry. I guess I’m alone in that camp.
by airndudi on
Nov 25, 2008 10:35 AM CST
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Eh, no apology necessary.
I know people find it funny, and I don’t think everyone that does is a homophobe. I just think it shows a lack of thoughtfulness on the part of the game entertainment staff.
by wyn on
Nov 25, 2008 1:49 PM CST
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Agreed...
…no need to apologize. We have also kind of side-stepped the whole The Hoff is a joke no matter where he pops up aspect of it all. Even sticking to the line of it being a lack of thoughtfulness on the part of the game entertainment staff, I’ve laughed at my fair share of things that even I find offensive.
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by Stop-n-Pop on
Nov 25, 2008 2:11 PM CST
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Oh, and Welcome!
Just saw you joined today. Glad to have you airndudi.
by wyn on
Nov 25, 2008 3:24 PM CST
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i was at the game
and appreciate that this sort of thing comes up in the blog for people to have an actual conversation about it without a bunch of people complaining about no one being able to take a joke. that bit had no place in basketball game. why put something on that is deliberately offensive to an entire group of people? it didn’t make any sense. personally, i’d like to see the in game entertainment cut way down to begin with, and once crap like this starts going on, it just makes it all the more obvious.
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by cap'n hack on
Nov 25, 2008 4:41 PM CST
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