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Before I get into last night's game against the Thunder, let's quickly review something that appeared this weekend in the Strib:

"The problem with tonight's game at both ends of the floor is we don't have that trust factor," Wittman said. "It's not a matter of effort, not a matter of trying. We did a lot of good things tonight too. When we're trusting each other at both ends of the floor, we're pretty good and when we don't, we look really bad."

Now I don't know about you, but this is the earliest I've ever seen a coach run to a get-in-the-players'-mugs motivational tactic in the press.  You really have to ask yourself what is more likely: That the Wolves lost because they didn't trust one another, or because Dallas is pretty damn good? 

Randy Wittman does have one thing right.  It's not a matter of effort with his squad.  It wasn't last year either and that's the one thing he is to be commended on.  However, when you look at his rotations and his team's lack of all-around improvement during the course of last season you...well, let's take a look at last night's game.

Last night the Thunder went on runs of 12-6, 12-2, and 13-0.  The first run was brought about by a near whole-sale substitution of the 2nd unit near the end of the 1st quarter.  The 2nd run was brought about after a near whole-scale substitution of the 1st unit in the middle of the 2nd quarter.  The last run was a nasty little ditty that spanned the 3rd and 4th quarters where the 2nd units were matched against one another for the majority of the run. 

If you were watching this game at home, there was one fairly obvious theme throughout: OKC's 2nd unit was murdering the Wolves' 2nd string.  Have you ever seen a box score where a team's entire 1st unit had negative +/- while the 2nd string went nuts? It happened last night in OKC.  The 2nd string troubles were noticeable from the get-go, yet if you look at PopcornMachine's GameFlows, you see the Wolves doing very little to adjust their match-ups against OKC's effective backups.  Not until late in the 3rd do you see any movement beyond not leaving Craig Smith in the game with the starters during the 2nd quarter. 

Anywho, beyond the questionable rotations, there were a few other points of interest in last night's game:

  • Randy Foye couldn't be having a worse start to the year.  Jerry Zgoda has an article about Foye's troubles in the Strib this morning. While I don't think that his poor start is indicative of his overall talent or capabilities, I do think that he is not cut out as a lead guard in the NBA and if he continues to play as poorly or nearly as poorly as he is right now, the Wolves will be faced with both near and long term decisions with the guard from Villanova.  Last night he was 0-10 with 5 turnovers and 2 points.  Beyond the numbers, he did very little to get the offense into a flow.
  • Rashad McCants needs more than 6 shots a game.
  • Rashad McCants needs more than 19:23 per game.
  • No matter how fragile of a rookie you think he may be, Kevin Love needs to play more than 17:33 per game. 
  • Sebastian Telfair cannot come back quickly enough. 
  • Through 3 games, Al Jefferson, Corey Brewer, Kevin Love, Rashad McCants, and Kevin Ollie are the only players with a positive net Off/Def rating. 
  • In PER, eff, and adj +/-, Al Jefferson and Kevin Love are the class of this squad.  Yes, I know we're only 3 games into the season.  Just saying. 
  • Through 3 games the Wolves have an OE of 97.6 and a DE of 101.6.  These numbers are backwards of what you would hope for with the squad. Last year the club finished with a ORtg of 103.8 and a DRtg of 111.2.   The offense really is going to need to show a lot more for this team to win more than 25 games. 
  • Looking at the team's Basketball Reference page, one is greeted by this: Wittman (1-2), Wittman (22-60), Wittman (12-30), Casey (20-20), Casey (33-49). 

In the comments during last night's game thread I wrote that Randy Foye represents something of a fatal flaw to the prospects of this team going far.  Not as an individual player who can contribute as a 6th man or 3rd guard, but as a starting point.  We can get into this subject more on a later day but I'd also like to put forward that Randy Wittman's coaching is an equal impediment to the long-term success of this club.  I wrote about both of these subjects last year.  This isn't a knee-jerk reaction 3 games into the season.  Here we have a player who is older and with less service time and skill than a teammate who plays the same position, and a coach who has a long track record of losing and less-than-desirable player development.  I get that there is a Country Club at 600 First Avenue.  I get that there is the whole Roy/Foye thing.  However, at some point (preferably this year), you have to cut your losses and move forward with the nice pieces you have in place.  With players like Jefferson, Love, Miller, McCants, and Brewer, you have the makings of a really nice club that could do some really nice things in 2-3 years.

While I've made no bones about it that I am very impressed with the direction this club is going since the KG trade, it still is clinging on to 2 relics of the past.  Foye is, was, and never will be D-Wade, and Witt isn't half the coach as the man he replaced.  This is the year to right these wrongs.  Let's solve the Randy problem.

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That's not change -- That's more of the same

1. Foye can’t have played worse. That’s unfortunate, b/c if he plays halfway decent, we win last night’s game. Strangely, it hasn’t even been his defense — i think he’s been fair to poor, wich is an improvement over last year. It’s not like Miller has been keeping people in front of him either. I would make the observation that we are only 3 games in this year and he’s only 1.5 yrs into learning the NBA point. And it can take some time to learn that, and I think he’s been punished by the number of brilliant young pure PGs that have come into the league recently (Paul, Williams, Rose maybe Westbrook) as well as being traded for Roy.

2. That being said, if you follow that logic, someone like Billups would be his model. It took him a few years to “get it.” I was hopeful that was the case (you can look at their pure statistics for the 1st two years of their career — there are very similar #s, right down to the games missed to injury), but having watched Foye for 3 games, that is a stretch. I wouldn’t dump him today, only becuase he’s played so bad I can’t imagine what his value is, but if we can get him to play a little better (i.e., raise his value), then we need to think about it.

3. Wit deserves some of this blame too — even though it was AGES ago in terms of this team, there was a reason why there was a lot of excitement about him. The whole “4th quarter Foye” thing came about because he was playing with some quality players and he was typically the 3rd or 4th option, with the ball going through KG first. He needs to stop looking for his shot early in the shot clock and focus on getting the ball to AJ. Most of his best games that year were when he got the ball as it was swung around and he had an open J or a drive to the hoop. Not trying to break his man down off the dribble or hoisting a J early in the shot clock.

4. And I get that Wit is in a tough spot — he’s got a roster of unproven players, and everytime things go wrong, he’s going to get questioned about his rotation and who’s on the floor at the end of the game (with the exception of AJ). See Britt’s plea for more minutes for the MadDog as example #1. However, it’s his job to find the right combinations, and through 3 games, we have no idea what the right rotations are and who should be playing at the end. And to me, that’s criminal. Scoring 85 points while Foye shoots 0-10 and Shaddy only gets 20 minutes? And we’re making sure Love doesn’t hit the rookie wall by playing him only 18 minutes? And the team seems to be struggling with whatever new plays they devised in the offseason. There have been a ton of times where the wings have been running from side to side and it takes us 10 seconds to get into the play. And the plays run out of timeouts are abysmal.

THATS NOT CHANGE — THATS MORE OF THE SAME

5. If i had to chose between trading Foye and firing Wit. I vote for firing Wit. THATS CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN

Everyone vote tomorrow

by Sterno on Nov 3, 2008 10:05 AM CST reply actions  

Very well put...

…esp the plea for voting. Everybody vote.

As far as Witt goes, I think I’m just worked up about the coaching because of a Casey sighting. As far as bad things in Wolves history goes, his firing is right up there. Say…there’s a topic for a post. What are the worst things ever to happen in club history? The best? Here is my take on the worst:

1- KG trade…had to happen but still…it was hard to watch him win in Boston what should have been won here.
2- Casey firing. Affirmative action country club hire of Witt was one of biggest farces in Minnesota sports history.
3- Wolves v. Memphis: the last game of the 05/06 season ended in one of the worst examples of tanking in league history. Madsen’s 7 three pointers will forever be a black eye on this franchise. Keep in mind that KG was shut down for 6 games at the end as well.
4- Joe Smith trade.
5- McHale’s continued employment
6- Taylor accusing KG of tanking. See #3.
7- Wally’s contract.
8- Foye/Roy
9- Foye/Gay
10- 3 draft picks in a row that don’t make a lick of sense when taken together

Best:
1- Glen Taylor stepping up and saving the team
2- KG pick
3- Western Conference Finals
4- Sam Mitchell
5- KG’s MVP year
6- Love/Mayo trade
7- Crunch
8- Al Jefferson
9- Dwayne Casey breaking into the country club.
10- Rebuilding going in the right direction.

What say you guys?

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 3, 2008 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

best:

that oliver miller interview where he likened himself to magic!

by secretarykissinger on Nov 3, 2008 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

KG trade doesn't...

itself wasn’t bad but I get why it is in that slot.

Worse moves I would have possibly included…
1. Refusing to move Foye for AI. – You could make a case that every single player on this roster would be different if that trade had happened.
2. Marko trade.
3. McCants/Howard

Best (maybe #11):
1. Goodbye Ricky Davis and Mark Blount

by Pants_ on Nov 3, 2008 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Another near the top of both best, and worst was the STARBURY era. Aside from the ‘91 Twins and ’98 Vikes, I’ve never been more excited about a Minnesota sports team than when Marbury & KG went to the playoffs, right away. I thought that tandem was going to be unbelievable—and it was, sort of, for how young they were. KG demanding so f’ing much money started the problems, then Marbury got jealous & homesick and we all know the rest. What a meltdown that was, but I certainly can’t blame McHale for that one. Everything heading into the ‘96 Draft had KG and Marbury as best buds who would love to play together. McHale made it happen and it didn’t work out.

by Andy G on Nov 3, 2008 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

well put..

…that tandem should have worked out and everyone thought it would. I’ll never fault McHale for that one.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 3, 2008 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

“Worst” bullet point #9.5: Foye/Ronnie Brewer.

by jianfu on Nov 3, 2008 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

The Joe Smith debacle must must must be #1. That single act in motion this entire decade of putridity.

by McCleak on Nov 3, 2008 10:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, as much as McHale has screwed things up here, the Joe Smith debacle is what put this franchise in the hole. I know on T-wolves Central we have lamented the 20/20 vision of drafts that happened 3,4 & 5 years ago, but what kind of picks would the wolves have had (or trades made for picks) that could have brought a title to town, rather than a 17th title to Boston. . . I’m happy for KG, but depressed for all us wolves fans, even with the props he gave us after the title.

I am constantly amazed by my own lack of knowledge.

by frankenhoops on Nov 5, 2008 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

As a devil's advocate question...

…did losing picks in the late 20s really hurt this squad?

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 5, 2008 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Watch Cassell tape

A good point guard combines two seemingly conflicting qualities: patience and decisiveness. Randy Foye needs to think like a point guard. He needs to analyze, probe and make decisions. His shooting guard instincts lead him to shoot the three or slash to the basket – all or nothing. Do we ever see Foye penetrate into the lane and then pull back? How often does he fake the three, dribble laterally and pop the long two? I was not a huge fan of Sam Cassell because he was weak on defense. Nevertheless, his mid-range jumper was a tool that allowed him to be patient and then strike quickly. He took what the defense gave him and exploited weakness. Cassell was patient, picking and poking, using his body to protect the ball and often a little space would open up. With a quick release, he would pop his patented mid-range. Next time down, the defender has to play tighter and can’t patrol the passing lane. If he reaches in, Cassell pivots and heads to the basket with his defender trailing. Foye has the same physical tools that Cassell did and more. Add the quick release/mid-range jumper and new opportunities open up.

by Overdrive on Nov 3, 2008 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Unfortunately I won't be voting...

but I do like the points here about Foye. (Sorry to keep harping on this, but I think it’s interesting.) I like the idea of him taking Billups as his model. First, because (as Wolves fans painfully know…Wolveraptors fans too), Billups was a guy who was overlooked, in part because he wasn’t a “traditional” pg. Second, because I think Foye, like Billups, has the size and quickness to be a PG who can get into the lane and create shots for himself. I’m not saying he’ll ever get to the same level – Billups is super-strong and has more confidence in himself than Sam Cassel, if that’s possible. But I don’t think it’s impossible that Foye could come to have somewhat Billups-like skills.

I do think there are some good comparisons to make here. Anyone remember Steve Nash’s first year in Dallas? I don’t think anyone’s ever been booed as much as him that year. He had confidence issues and nagging injuries. By the next year he was one of the best pgs in the league. I’m not saying Foye is going to be Nash, or anywhere close. Just saying that it’s a really weird position, one that takes more time to learn than others, as Sterno notes.

S/P made the point last night that the Wolves could really use a drive-and-dish guy. I agree that this would be great (and frankly I think Telfair is only going to get better at this), but I do think that there are plenty of PGs in the league who have different games than this but are still successful, e.g. Billups, Parker, Calderón. None of these guys are magic men in the lane (the closest would be Parker, but I find that when he penetrates he’s generally looking to score, as his relatively low assist numbers – 15th in the league last year – attest), but all are excellent PGs. Cassel would be another guy like this.

Anyways I just wanted to comment on what I thought were some interesting points in Sterno’s comments. I realize I could be completely wrong about Foye, and if so, that’s fine. I just think he has some potential, even at that position.

by plinytheelder on Nov 3, 2008 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

whoa speaking of Billups

what a huge trade! I don’t exactly know what Detroit is thinking…

by plinytheelder on Nov 3, 2008 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Me neither...

…it just doesn’t make much sense.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 3, 2008 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Not to be a downer

But doesn’t Malik Sealy’s death rank up there on the worst? He was one of those good role players who fit very well with KG. His winning three pointer against Indy (i think?) on national TV was one of the better wolves moments in the national spotlight. I’d put that somewhere between 5 and 8 on your list. And the Casell/Jaric trade is one of the worst moments too.

There haven’t been too many good moments, have there? The Marbury/KG duo (while it lasted) was pretty great. And Googs for Donyell was pretty good.

Crunch #7? Ahead of AJ? Really? Kevin Harlan istn’t to my taste, but he might go on either one of these lists. One of his better quotes: “Buckle up for Donyell!!”

by Sterno on Nov 3, 2008 10:36 AM CST reply actions  

"STEPHON MARBURY...

HAS GONE MAD!!!"

At the time I thought Harlan has referring to Marbury’s hot shooting at the end of the game. Maybe I should have taken him more literally.

by Pants_ on Nov 3, 2008 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Good calls...

…on Malik and Harlan. I was just thinking out loud with the first list. We’re going to post both of these lists over the course of the week in honor of the 20th season.

Favorite Harlan quote: “Gravity is not your master!!! I just saw man fly!!!”

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 3, 2008 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Gotta remember Avery over Artest too

And Ebi. Ouch, there have been some terrible draft picks. Gerald Glass anyone?

And of course, there was the time we got the 3rd pick when Shaq and Zo were the first two picks. Oh, well, we got the best available white guy that time (this time too — hopefully for the better).

And nothing JR ever did makes the /worst list?

My all time favorite Wolves radio moment came from Harlan’s former color guy (and our current front office genius, Kevin McHale) on one of Bill Blair’s crazy substitutions: “Guibert? Already?”

by Sterno on Nov 3, 2008 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

I've always been...

…of the opinion that McHale should get a pass on any draft pick taken after the lottery. Most players at that point in the draft are tough to gauge. Even with McCants vs. Granger there were legit arguments on both sides and it’s hard to fault the pick at that point in the draft. However, drafting a Dukie is unacceptable as are crappy lotto picks.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 3, 2008 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

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