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On a night marked by a new starting lineup, the Wolves let their new bench get them  destroyed.  

With the Wolves down by 4 midway through the 3rd, the Kings made a change to their big scoring lineup by putting Spencer Hawes in for Miiki Moore, and Randy Wittman, in all of his career .333 winning percentage glory, proceeded to trot out his team's worst imaginable defensive lineup.  He then watched from the side as the Kings rattled off an impressive run while Randy Foye, Craig Smith, Rashad McCants, and Mike Miller waved red flags at the Kings players as they ole'd their way to the front of the rim. 

The 3rd quarter also saw the Wolves run an isolation set for Corey Brewer out of a time out.  Really.  I'd like to believe that this wasn't on purpose.  I'd like to believe that there is a just and loving God and that He would not allow a universe to exist where such a thing could happen.  Yet, there it was.

With things getting rapidly out of hand in the 3rd, it was clear to everyone watching the game that the Wolves needed to do something.  Hell, we were talking about it in the game thread.  Here comes the run.  What will they do to counter? Answer: nothing.  Wittman didn't even bother to do much after the end of the quarter; running out a mini lineup of Foye, McCants, Bassy, Smith, and Gomes at the start of the 4th.  Really?  I especially enjoyed watching Gomes go up against the 7 foot Spencer Hawes. This lasted all of 1:30 before the Wolves were forced to call a timeout.  They then went on a 12-2 run with Love, Jefferson, and Miller back in the game.

Speaking of timeouts, I had to watch Kings coach Reggie Theus call two of them in the 2nd half when his team was embarrassed a bit too much on defense.  Imagine that: a coach stopping play when it becomes obvious that his guys aren't playing well.  Ho-hum.  It isn't all Witt's fault. 

In fact, Witt is to be commended for finally cutting the Foye-at-the-point experiment loose.  If this team isn't going to win 42 games (and it will not), he may as well take as many parting shots at the Kevin McHale-created faults as he can.  Foye at the point is about as realistic as 42 wins.  Wittman will always have my respect for getting this team to play hard through 82 games last year.  However, his job status--like the idea that Foye could be an NBA point--says more about the front office than it does about either of the Randys.  The team's Randy Problem isn't really a Randy problem at all.  At the end of the day Witt should have never had the job and Randy should have never been a starting point.  This is the last time I'll write about it until the inevitable coaching change.

BTW: The Kings announcers actually dropped a "McHale is unfairly criticized" line during last night's contest.  Seriously.  Also, while we're talking about McHale and front office decisions, how fast would this team be blown up if a non-country club GM were brought in?  Now you can imagine how folks in the Bush Administration's Department of Justice are feeling with a new crew on their way in the door.  Unfortunately for Wolves fans, si se puede is not hablo'd by Papa Glen.  There's no need to hide the torture memos when Freddy Hoiberg will simply take over for the guy with all the blood on his hands.  With all the talk about socialism lately, the Wolves are more of a legacy communist regime.  Your DPRK of the NBA, if you will.

Getting around to the positives, Kevin Love is already the best player on the team and SeBass is a major league point guard.  Both players give the Wolves their best chance to win on both ends of the court at their respective positions.  They both play help d; as Love is the only player on the squad to have his hands in the air when the perimeter is broken down and Bassy is the only player on the squad to double down for help on the post.  Bassy has added several change-of-pace moves to his repertoire and he is the only perimeter player on the team that can be expected to properly set up a teammate on a pick and roll and hand off in the lane.  From positioning to passing to help defense to spacing, Love has already far exceeded Jefferson's all-around front-court ability.  When Love was off the court, the Wolves downright sucked on both ends of the court.  This casual observation is backed up with his on/off numbers.

Love has now gone up against the likes of Dirk, Duncan, and Miller.  He is by no means getting schooled.  In fact, he is often the glue that holds the Wolves together.  While he did go for a few Brad Miller up-fakes, he also dished out his fair share to the big hayseed from Purdue while showing the Kings' bigs that he could throw his weight around just as well as they could.  It is zero surprise that Love had a neutral +/- in a game where the team gets blown out. 

Sebastian Telfair, in his 2nd game back, was a -5 with 15 points on 5-12 shooting and 0 turnovers.  He took 3 too many 3s (1-3) but he often found himself with the ball in his hands with time running off the clock.  Surprisingly enough, this was more the result of players like Miller and Foye dishing out to him late in the possession rather than him dribbling around without purpose.  Let's wrap this thing up with some bullet points:

  • The Kings announcers were talking out loud how they would like to see Donte Greene in "garbage time" with nearly 10 minutes left to go in the 4th. 
  • The Kings home crowd was more sparse than the crowds at the Target Center.   You could hear individual fans yelling at the players during the game. 
  • For all the talk about Foye's bad start, Ryan Gomes is off to an equally stinky year.  He has settled into the role of Love's backup and it does not suit him well.  He is not a good defender; especially against 7 footers like Hawes. 
  • If only Witt would give Shaddy as much slack on defense as he does Mike Miller.  Last night Miller played large chunks of negative minutes in each quarter while McCants never shared the backcourt with Telfair on his own. 
  • May we never see a Foye, McCants, Bassy, Smith, and Gomes lineup again.
  • The Wolves went 29-33 from the line while getting 24 assists on their 36 makes from the floor.  Sacramento shot 54.8% from the field.
  • Kevin Martin is starting to get some superstar calls.
  • Craig Smith is never going to get any calls in his favor.
  • Kevin Love is eventually going to get some Kevin Martin calls.
  • Craig Smith and Ryan Gomes are men without spots on this year's team.  Kevin Love has played both out of the positions they had last year.
  • Thanks to League Pass, there was a Marko Jaric sighting last night in Golden State.  Ms. Lima was nowhere to be seen.  Toine was in a suit.
  • Corey Brewer played the starting 1:34 of the 2nd half before being benched in favor of Rodney Carney...who played all of 2:48 before being replaced by Brewer.  Al Jefferson played the starting 1:11 of the 2nd quarter before being benched.  Bassy and Love disappeared when it mattered in the 3rd. I get that Love had 4 fouls but what are you waiting for when the game is on the line?  You'd rather him still be available when you're down by 20?

I can't stress enough that while I write posts entitled "Pathetic" and while I go on and on about the Randy Problem, this team isn't as bad as it seems. Frustrating, yes; fundamentally flawed, maybe; going in the wrong direction, no.  They are starting to score some points.  They have a real point in the starting lineup.  They finally drafted a stud.  They are getting to the line on a level above and beyond what they did last year.  They are 1-4 but they're not far away from some wins.  They have been running out some mind-numbingly bad rotations and their team defense is atrocious.  These are correctable problems and they can make it work.  

As I mentioned earlier, I'm done talking about the Randy Problem.  We know that the coach is in over his head and that Foye isn't a starting point in this league. There is no sense in dwelling on this any further.  Moving forward, we'll talk more about what is working and what the team can do to start turning things into wins. As always, the subject of the front office will not be taken off the table.

Until later.

UPDATE: Witt shows the limitations of his Bobby Knight approach in this morning's Strib:

"I played the game I hated to play," Wittman said. "If we're not going to play any more [defense], individuals have to be held accountable."

Jefferson was asked about being removed from the game and about the message Wittman sent him and teammates.

"I don't know," Jefferson said. "That's him, that's him."

...

Telfair, who started in his second game back from a three-game suspension, said Wittman's coaching intentions were clear Friday.

"Strong message," he said. "Guys want to be on the floor."

It's one thing to not see an effort.  It's quite another to see a rookie with 5 games of experience already be your smartest and best coached player.  Witt can yell at these guys until his face turns blue.  Trying hard isn't going to get Al Jefferson to realize that he needs to seal his man off on a weak side rebound or stick his hands straight up in the air when his opponent has beat him off the ground.

UPDATE ii: Chris Richard taken with the 1st pick in the D-League draft.

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Some points I'd like to address

Kevin gets star calls, sometimes, because he’s a star. He was also the 2nd best player on the court behind John Salmons yesterday. He was also playing a bit hurt and that hurt his shooting % some. (Kevin Martin scores 26 pts grabs 6 boards & dishes 6 dimes. That isn’t bad work when many around Kingsland were wondering could he pass the ball any. Kevin Martin was not on this level last season.)

Grant & Jerry (The Kings announcers) were talking about Greene in part because he spent part of the road trip (due to the Brad Miller pot suspension) without any chance to garner mins. Most people, like me, were happy to see Donte under a positive circumstances as opposed to a negative circumstance, and get a chance for a few mins. I was really disappointed, with how poorly Minny played, as well as Sac played, that the Kings didn’t KO the Wolves either. They should have.

Last but not least, the difference between the 2 teams, as far as I can tell, opinions of the roster, and the coaching staff/front office’s. My opinion of the Kings vs Wolves roster is that I’d rather have the Kings because it is more balanced, and has a higher potential for a more productive backcourt as Kevin Martin is an all-star, and Udrih is an adequate starter at the point. The Kings also have more money committed back there, and to a degree, it really shows. The Wolves most surprising player is Bassy for sure, but he also has the highest upside of any Wolves guard. I’d rather have Bobby Brown than Randy Foye, and the Kings are paying Brown 442 K this season. They didn’t even draft the guy, or play him on their Summer League team. McHale and Witt are hurtin the Wolves more than anything, and until they depart, and until Glen Taylor eitehr changes, or probably dies, the Wolves are unfortunately doomed.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 8, 2008 6:19 AM CST reply actions  

I kinda forgot to say this but

The Kings have a more athletic front line (Hawes and Thompson), and a deeper backcourt (Udrih, Brown, Martin, Salmons, Garcia—if he plays). So, yeah, that’s why I’d rather have the Kings today.

Although I wouldn’t mind having Corey Brewer I suppose. Which seems odd given his success (or lack thereof) in Minny, but that’s the way the cookie crumbles.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 8, 2008 6:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Martin...

…is Reggie Miller. He’s a uber-efficient guard who can get to the line. A nice player but he’s in the same boat as Al Jefferson: a limited #1 who needs a clear compliment for the team to go further. With Hawes and Thompson they have a very nice frontcourt but I still think that a core of Love, Jefferson, and Brewer has a higher ceiling with solid guard play than does Martin + Beno + the young frontcourt. Both teams are in need of something else to bring it all on home. I really think the Wolves found a steal in Bassy but they simply don’t have anyone at the off guard who can play both ends of the court. Miller is worse than advertised on d.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 8, 2008 6:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Very true on Martin

The difference for the Kings is that Martin is homegrown, and Jefferson came for KG. That’s the real problem.

Beno is not someone I consider the future PG for the Kings. He’s more of a conduit, if you will, for the future, and therefore, I’d rather entertain thought of Ricky Rubio. (I’m hardly alone in this though.)

Seemingly, you think Brewer is a part of something there. Is it his defense? Or just the fact that he hasn’t done much offensively that has you pause for concern? (I’m curious because watching Corey Brewer develop is something I haven’t had the chance to do.) I’m not the biggest fan of Kevin Love, or Al Jefferson myself, and I speak for myself, and am perfectly happy with what the Kings have if management can convince Spencer Hawes to develop his body appropriately. Jason Thompson exceeded my expectations of his abilities for this season (not necessarily last night interestingly enough) and has me convinced he could be a sure-fire All-Star if he stays healthy.

That all being said I don’t think anybody outside of me, has the same confidence I do, and pretty much every virtual outsider would pick the Wolves based on the Love/Jefferson tandem and their immense inside/outside abilities. (And Mike Miller is god awful on D I do agree. But didn’t Brewer defend Martin for large stretches, as opposed to Miller who defended Salmons, and Salmons killed him all night long?)

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by pookeyguru on Nov 8, 2008 6:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Brewer...

…plays at 150 mph. He has stretches of ball where he looks like he’s running around like a chicken with his head cut off. Other times, he fills a stat sheet faster than anyone else out there. He’s a solid glue guy that can play the 2 and 3 and he’s the team’s best man defender. I don’t like to bitch about reffing, but he was dealing with crap screens all night long and eventually he’ll gain something of a rep as a defender and when Brad Miller takes a walking start into a pick, he’ll get that call.

Thompson is good. We had him on our draft board as someone we hoped would fall to the 2nd round. And by “we” I mean “Hoopus”.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 8, 2008 6:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I thought the Zebra's were awful for everybody

And it hurt the Wolves more than the Kings because they have less veteran’s who can play through it, and the Kings have considerable more depth than the Wolves do too.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 8, 2008 6:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh and as far as JT

I think the fact that some believed he was a reach at 12 (by some I mean that ninny Chad Ford), I think the fact that DX did project him in their final mock at 14 by the Dubs, means that the Kings were hardly the only team looking at him there. And considering the Kings needs, and Jerry & Grant touched on it last night too, is that the Kings are, as a consequence, a better rebounding team with Shock & Hawes (Thompson=Shock & Hawes I"m sure you get) on the floor (particularly together). Having Shelden Williams gettings mins has also helped in this area. It’s finally nice to not expect the Kings to be out boarded by 10 anymore. I was getting really tired of that.

Thank you for the info on Brewer, He’s one of the guys I would love to track over the course of the season to see what his effects are on a team. (I have yet to check his Roland Ratings, but I’m sure they, are, interesting.)

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by pookeyguru on Nov 8, 2008 6:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Anyways...

..some thoughts.

  • Telfair needs to continue to start. Awesome game from him with 15 points, 7 assists and NO turnovers.
  • Foye did much better off the bench.
  • Corey Brewer is still overrated. I don’t mind him playing, but he should NOT be starting.
  • Big Al, maybe our biggest offensive weapon, played 29 out of 48 minutes.
  • Did I mention that Wittman is a piece of shit?

by Twins Territory on Nov 8, 2008 7:32 AM CST reply actions  

That 3rd quarter...

…was brutal to watch. And his experimental rotation to start the 4th was even worse. He’s already gone to the “trying hard” and “they don’t trust eachother” cards this year. He’s going to run out of Bobby Knight tricks in about a week. Meanwhile, down in Dallas Dwayne Casey is teaching up Gerald Green and coordinating their defense. The really sad thing about all of this is that it will never end with Papa Glen allowing McHale to stick around. The country club needs to be ended. The problem with that is that I’m pretty sure a non CC GM would blow this team up and start all over. I don’t think the new direction would include Big Al, Foye, or McCants.

I think that’s the most frustrating thing of all about the rebuilding. They’re going in the right direction. They have something of a plan. Yet, it’s crippled in some pretty key areas. I think Love and Jefferson can work but only with direction and coordination between coaching, front office, and the system. I don’t know if that will happen with Papa Glen allowing the McHale mess to continue.

If I were a fantasy GM brought into clean things up, I’m picking up the phone to Chicago and asking if they would part with Noah and Thomas + Hughes for Big Al and Cardinal. Hell, throw in Shaddy or Foye + a draft pick. This team needs to decide. Do they want to score a lot of points in an up tempo style or do they want to surround Jefferson with defensive players and bring Love off the bench? Jefferson works at center only if you go the offensive route. Efficient offense and modestly proficient defense is the only way you get this thing to work with Love and Jefferson out there together. Again, I’m not advocating a trade here; just thinking out loud about how a non-CC GM would view this. Maybe I’ve been glossing over it all along; perhaps it is unworkable. This team has to be about offense and scoring a ton of points. They simply give up too much on defense in terms of personnel to be anything else.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 8, 2008 8:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Not good

Hard to argue with any of the posts, but it boils down to this:

1. Holding this team accountable on defense is unrealistic if you want to have credibility as a coach. Your two top scorers are below average on D. So either you’re going to hold them accountable on D and wind up trotting out lineups like you did to start the 4th quarter or you’re going to have a double standard when you bench people Shaddy if he plays no D but Miller doesn’t. He should have realized that unless there’s egregious lapses, he has to focus on holding these guys accountable for their offense, not their defense.

2. To do that, Wit needs to force a clear offensive pecking order on this team. Seems to me, if you’re going to start Love, Miller, Brewer, AJ and Bassy, then you make AJ #1 and Miller #2. That means that you play a 2 man game with AJ and Miller, and if Miller has the open J after Al is double teamed, ITS HIS JOB TO SHOOT IT. That’s what we’re paying him for.

3. If those are your two best offensive options, then i’d keep one on the floor at all times. Sub McCants/Foye in for Miller at about 6 minutes in the 1st quarter and then have Miller come back to start the 2nd when Al sits. I’d be doing the same with Love/Jefferson — have one on the court at all times. THis is coaching 101, as exemplified by the Spurs — would they ever let Parker and Duncan sit at the same time with Ginobli out?

4. The Kings are a tough matchup for the Wolves b/c they have some very tall skilled players that are really able to take advantage of the Wolves’ lack of height in the front line, particularly when they are making their jumpshots. I’m less concerned about Hawes throwing in some hooks and the like and more about the Salmons/Martin/Beno performance on the perimeter. We need to be able to play those guys to a draw.

5. As for Pokeyguru’s take on the rosters, you have to take contract size/length into account. Urdih for 5 yrs at $5.5mn? Garcia for about the same amount? Telfair is signed for less money and fewer years and Foye/McCants/Brewer all haven’t signed extensions yet. As much as I think Beno and Garcia are decent players, you can’t tell me that they will be key contributors on a championship caliber team.

by Sterno on Nov 8, 2008 10:23 AM CST reply actions  

Alot of good points

My take on the roster’s was strictly a playing assessment based on abilities, and I feel that the Kings have a deeper roster with far better balance vs offense/defense than anything the Wolves could come up with in any combination. Some of that is the ineptness of the Iron Ranger (I love that nickname btw), but some of that is because Petrie has been at the rebuilding part of the Kings for several years. Some of it was luck finding a player like Bobby Brown too.

As far as the contracts go, Garcia is a player whom I DO THINK can be part of a championship squad. I already don’t believe Beno can be a PG on a championship level team, and have never said so. I do think he’s a conduit to the future, and my growing by the day man crush (I"m going to beat Bill Simmons up if he gets in my way!) on Ricky Rubio that he’s the missing piece as the Kings attempt life after Brad Miller which is no simple task.

The money points are simple. I’d rather have Beno, all things considered, and the things he does, than have Bassy and the things he does for the lesser figure. That being said I think all sides concerned should be happy with Bassy and the fact he’s making the Foye failure a bit diminished (if Witt could actually use a real rotation—something I agree didn’t happen last night).

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by pookeyguru on Nov 8, 2008 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I pointed it out over at On the Ball...

…but I think expecting defense on this club is like expecting the Twins to hit a lot of home runs. They simply aren’t built for it and if you want that sort of thing then you need to make some major personnel changes.

The whole rotation thing is baffling.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 8, 2008 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Beyond simply liking Sterno's points

I’d like to say: excellent use of the word egregious!

by plinytheelder on Nov 8, 2008 5:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I taped this game

(not only do I still have a VCR, it’s built into my TV) (by the way what’s with the 9pm weekend starts? They think no one has lives?) and for some reason it shut off halfway through the 3rd quarter, so I guess what I have to say will reflect that. Anyways I just wanted to say I think I’m starting to see what you mean about Wittman. (Disclaimer: I was overseas for most of last year and only caught a few games.) What I don’t get is the substitutions. I guess I can see Carney coming in for Brewer in the 3rd because Brewer got poked in the eye…but in the end I think I’m an 8-man rotation kind of guy: I think it should be Miller Brewer Foye McCants and Telfair on the perimeter, and Smith Love and Jefferson inside. Well actually this is tough because I really like Gomes too. I just think there are too many lineups right now. I guess they have to see what Carney can do…but I really don’t understand why Kevin Ollie is seeing any time. Don’t get me wrong, I really like the guy, have since back when the Sixers were good. But why do Foye and McCants get limited minutes (esp. McCants)? Playing Ollie would be fine if this team were going to the playoffs. Anyways, seems bizarre to me.

I know I disagree on Foye with most the people at the site so I won’t belabour the point. Like I wrote yesterday, I’m fine with him coming off the bench, especially with Telfair playing so well. (Though I think he was far from perfect: his inability to hit from outside allowed the Kings to collapse on D, and he has a lot of trouble finishing inside – some of those layups are way out of control.) What I’d really like to see is Foye splitting time between the 1 and the 2, depending on whether Telfair’s in the game with him. (This is part of the reason I don’t like Ollie getting all these minutes.) (Lot of parentheses in this post!) Anyways, here’s my question about Foye: why do people think his D is so bad? Like I said, my tape conked out halfway through the 3rd, and I missed most of last year. But I saw at least 2 very good defensive possessions by him: one in which he doubled down and stole the ball, another in which he played very good ball denial D on Martin, then forced him into a low-percentage 3 (low percentage because Foye challenged him) when he finally got it. To top it off he’s fairly long and downright quick. Am I missing something about his D?

by plinytheelder on Nov 8, 2008 5:35 PM CST reply actions  

Most home games in Portland start @ 7pm Pacific time

That’s why it starts for you @ 9pm. Because you’re 2 hours ahead of P(acific)S(tandard)T(ime). Games in Sacramento, and Seattle (well when they had a team…) started at 7. Usually in Golden State and LA do games start @ 7:30 local time.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Nov 8, 2008 6:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I know...

…mostly being sarcastic.

by plinytheelder on Nov 8, 2008 7:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Whew

I was worried for a min there.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Nov 8, 2008 10:04 PM CST up reply actions  

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