30 win team or more of the same?
Well that was certainly interesting. One game into the Kevin McHale era and the Wolves have given their fans a head-scratcher of a question: Is this the team most fans thought could reach the 30-win plateau or is it simply a carbon copy of the first few close games of the year that featured Witt at the end of the bench?
On one hand, this game certainly felt like one of the Witt-led losses early this year. It had what can roughly be called a 4th quarter collapse, shoddy shooting, and an inescapable aura of inevitable doom. You just knew Mehmet Okur was going to make that shot. He could have fallen backwards off of the wrong foot and thrown the ball towards the hoop from between his legs and it still would have gone in the damn bucket.
Perhaps the closeness of the Witt-style game was simply a matter of catching an above-average team on a below-average night. Deron Williams still isn't 100% after suffering a terrible pre-season ankle injury, Carlos Boozer sat out the game, and let's face it: Minnesota at this stage of the game (and this time of the year) probably doesn't get the opposition's competitive juices flowing. It's also probably fair to say that the Wolves will not play harder for a single game all year. That has to count for something.
On the other hand, if I were a doctor diagnosing an ill patient, looking at the internals of last night's game, I'd tell the Wolves that the damage was bad but keep doing what you're doing because you'll be better if you do.
Here are the Four Factors from last night's game:
| Pace | Eff | eFG | FT/FG | OREB% | TOr | |
| UTH | 95.0 | 104.2 | 49.3% | 44.9 | 27.3 | 22.1 |
| MIN | 101.1 | 42.1% | 32.9 | 38.0 | 16.8 |
Our Beloved Puppies Zombies took 82 shots compared to the Jazz's 69. They were (27-43) compared to (31-37) at the line. They were ridiculous on the boards; outgrabbing Utah (19-43) to (9-40). They even had more steals (12-9) and fewer turnovers (15-21). (The 12 steals were a season high.)
They played an up-tempo game that featured very few "plays" and a lot of playing. I know that J-Pete and Hanny were full-force into creating the talking points for the newest 600 First Avenue snow job during the broadcast, but despite what you may have heard, there was very little "coaching" going on during last night's game. I've watched and played basketball for a while now and...well, maybe McHale's "system" will be installed by the start of the new year. Then again, maybe not. I'm not complaining. I'm just anticipating the inevitable nonsense from the TV duo and I want our readers to be prepared.
When it comes down to it, the Wolves lost a tough game last night because they had their worst night from the line since the season opener against Sacramento. Actually, you can pin this one on the Rook; Kevin Love had a horrible, no good, terrible game at the line. However, 2-9 from an 80% free throw shooter isn't going to happen often (neither will 0-4 down the stretch) so we may just have to chalk this one up to karma: the team really couldn't win it's first McHale-led game in manner that would suggest McHale's personnel decisions were right, could they? Of course not.
The answer to the question in the title of this post is, for me, somewhere in the middle. They played an emotional home game against a short-handed Utah squad and they exhibited signs of being able to increase the tempo, attack the rim, depend on their superior rebounding, and...be entertaining. One can only imagine what such an approach would have been like with Mike Miller and Corey Brewer in the rotation instead of Kevin Ollie and Rodney Carney. They also didn't have enough juice to make it over the hump in the 4th. Randy Foye was able to get a call on one of his patented to-the-right drives with 10 seconds left in the game but this team still lacks an end-of-the-game perimeter player who can play the Tony/Manu part to Big Al's Tim Duncan. (Here's hoping for Stephen Curry.)
As mentioned before, last night's game didn't exactly feature a lot of coaching, plays, or sets. It was loosey-goosey and entertaining. Moving forward, here are a few of the adjustments I would like to see the team make during practice (and not during the game in the form of yelling; which was a welcome development with Witt no longer at the end of the bench): incorporate dribble-drive/AASAA principles, develop some 4-out/1-in sets, develop some 5-out sets for the reserve unit, and work more on making quicker moves in the post. The only time the Wolves really slowed down last night was when the ball was entered to Big Al in the post and he waited for something to happen. In order to make this thing work, Big Al needs to be a quicker decision maker. As soon as the ball is entered he either needs to make a move (preferably towards the middle), hit the cutter, or kick it back out to the perimeter. Last night we actually saw a play during the 1st where Al received the ball from Foye and they two played a 2-man game. In and out, in and out. During yesterday's presser, McHale made the point that basketball is about repetition and running plays that work over and over. I agree. It's not rocket science and they have the tools to make some fairly easy plays work rather well. This team rebounds extremely well and they have some forwards who can put the ball on the floor. Up tempo, attack the middle, and volume, volume, volume. Volume is this team's friend. They should aim for 90 shots a night.
That's about it. What say you?
PS: here is the set I would most like to see with Love in for Big Al:
PPS: I avoided the elephant in the room. The Wolves had fun last night. McHale was laughing and not yelling. Players played and coaches saved the coaching for practice. This begs two questions: how could this front office not know Witt liked to yell and how long will the fun last? They need to be loosey-goosey. They need to be free-flowing. Can you be a mediocre-to-bad loosey-goosey team? In order for McHale's approach to work, doesn't the team have to play well? I guess we'll find out.
Check out the Jazz take here.
PPPS: Did anyone else notice how Big Al gave K-Love the cold shoulder after his 4 missed free throws down the stretch? Al has a history of sticking it to Foye. Was last night the first shot across the bow of SS Love? If the fun, loosey-goosey thing is going to work, teammates can't be spazzing on one another after a few missed free throws. Positive reinforcement. Save the cold stares and nasty attitude for behind closed doors if you're going to do it at all. It's a respect thing.
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Exciting!
Last night’s game was the most entertaining game in a real long time. Even though they lost, the Wolves looked like they were giving keys to a car and they never driven before. Everyone seemed like they were having fun, players looked like they could stand one another and with some tweaks a point guard (Ollie was horrendous in the 4th) the Wolves may hit stride by mid Jan.
It would be nice to see more picks and cuts but that will come in time. Maybe a trade for a pass first, great offensive awareness, mid to far range shooting point guard would help (E. Watson, J. Hart)?
by DueceDropper on
Dec 10, 2008 9:12 AM CST
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Just a Question...
But is there something that is supposed to excite me about a potential “30 win team?” To me, that’s more of that same from the past 4 years…
by College Wolf on
Dec 10, 2008 9:46 AM CST
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Yes...
…they won 22 last year after trading KG. What else are you expecting at this point? Here’s a breakdown of expected winning percentages for a 22 win club:
At 22-60 the Wolves are a .268 club with a fairly good chance of improving their record in the 2008-09 season. Unfortunately for the Iron Ranger, a 20 win improvement is nearly out of the question.
The probability of a 25-30% club improving their record in the following year is a hefty 73. With a high draft pick and a full season of Al Jefferson and Randy Foye, the Wolves should be able to, at the very least, match their paltry victory total in 2007-08. Just how much they will improve is the question. The expected change in winning % for a 25-30 club is 9, or about 7-8 wins (30-52 is a .366). (Source: Basketball on Paper by Dean Oliver; p.111.)
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by Stop-n-Pop on
Dec 10, 2008 9:49 AM CST
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whoops...
…formatting error. Also, it’s for a 25-30 win club. Anywho, 30 wins is pretty much what was baseline realistic at the beginning of the year.
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by Stop-n-Pop on
Dec 10, 2008 9:50 AM CST
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never mind...
…I had it right before. Go read the link. I brain farted away the comment here.
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by Stop-n-Pop on
Dec 10, 2008 9:51 AM CST
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I never expected us to be good this year.
What’s 30 wins anyways? Are we supposed to be happy about that? Technically, I guess it’s “improvement”, but it sure doesn’t excite me much.
by College Wolf on
Dec 10, 2008 1:15 PM CST
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They were legitimately...
…flirting with being one of the all-time worst ever teams at this time last year. Things were so bad that Toine bailed them out of one of their only wins. If you’re saying that things have gone poorly so far, I agree. The whole change was a poke in the eye and with Brewer out, Miller being weird, and Mayo looking like gangbusters, things are kind of down, but I think the style of play we saw last night was what we thought we’d see from the beginning of the year as well as being the sort of play that would mean improvment…with 30, 33, or even 36 wins (my dumb prediction).
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by Stop-n-Pop on
Dec 10, 2008 1:54 PM CST
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Yes...
I’m saying things have gone poorly.
My absolute “best case scenario” prediction this off-season was 34 wins. I highly doubt we get that. I suppose if we somehow win 35 or more games this year it’s true improvement and I can’t really complain about that.
But, it’s not gonna happen.
by College Wolf on
Dec 10, 2008 2:59 PM CST
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Al....
…also appeared to be very pissed when McCants turned the ball over on the final inbound pass.
I agree that Al shouldn’t be spazzing on his teammates so much. A different question, though: why was Shaddy making that pass? He isn’t known to be our best passer or decision-maker; in fact, he’s one of our worst. The only reason I can think of is that maybe there was a play for him to inbound the ball and then for it to come back to him ftw. But I don’t know why you’d want Shaddy shooting that shot, either, given how he looked the rest of the night.
Last night I got to attend my first home game this season (I’m back visiting from the West Coast). I couldn’t believe how few people were there. My friends and I estimated that there weren’t any more than 4500. Ouch.
by Shogun on
Dec 10, 2008 10:03 AM CST
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my guess about the inbounds pass...
…is that McHale has zero idea what the inbounds plays are right now.
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by Stop-n-Pop on
Dec 10, 2008 10:23 AM CST
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yeah that was strange no?
I’m chalking up the Ollie iso plays at the end – 2 if I remember right – to McHale similarly not knowing all the plays, etc. — Though the players should be smarter than that: Foye or McCants should go get that ball out of Ollie’s hands. I bet this will come with time; Wittman was so concerned with “running the plays” that I bet some common sense has been lost.
Not to blame everything on Wittman, I don’t want to fall into that.
by plinytheelder on
Dec 10, 2008 12:47 PM CST
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Nope..
…me either. J-Pete and Hanny were coming close last night.
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by Stop-n-Pop on
Dec 10, 2008 1:02 PM CST
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Yeah now that you mention it
they kind of were at times no? I think you’re right, it’s a good tendency to avoid. ;)
by plinytheelder on
Dec 10, 2008 1:10 PM CST
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good post
This was a fun game to watch—I was bummed about the finish, but with the playoffs already out of sight, that tanker in me is never too bummed about the losses piling up. Still, these guys need wins to build confidence, and it sounds (from the Strib report) that Love was really down about his missed FT’s.
A few other notes:
- Carney replaced Brewer as the active athlete that can’t shoot. Yes, he made a couple 3’s. No, I don’t expect that to happen very often. His misses were a brick off the backboard and an airball that missed sideways. Still, his energy led to production, which was nice.
- Love was a beast on the boards. Another 15 rebound game. He’ll never shoot 2-9 from FT’s again. Very good performance, and he’s learning to crash at the right time when Al takes his shots.
- Ollie needs to sit. He’s a bigger defender than Telfair, but I’m not sure that he’s a better one. Really stupid foul on Williams (that somehow provoked a push and tech from D-Will) and a pass straight to Ronnie Brewer made me think he’s not the “veteran presence that doesn’t make mistakes out there” but is just a slower and older Bassy that isn’t improving the way Bassy is and will continue to do.
- Jefferson played decent defense. Aside from a three-possession stretch, where Millsap got the best of him, Al was solid on that end, last night. Highlights were the consecutive possessions where he blocked D-Will’s drive layups. After that, Williams was not as aggressive to the hole. Since Jefferson isn’t consistent as a shot-blocking presence, though, I still wish we’d add a Sean Williams-type.
- McHale has a better feel for how to manage the player rotations. I would’ve played Bassy for 36 min, instead of 10 and 26 to Ollie, but he got Foye, Jefferson and Gomes a full load of minutes, with Love getting a solid 27 off the bench. Also, he committed to Shaddy, which didn’t really help, but could help him in the future. The guys seemed to appreciate the new guy on the bench.
by Andy G on
Dec 10, 2008 10:07 AM CST
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Hey I think that’s a nice point about Ollie - I think we should remember that that steal by Brewer was a real phenomenal steal; still, it was a pretty basic pass to the wing that most PGs should make. - I agree with your optimism on McCants too, I think his shooting will get better and better.
by plinytheelder on
Dec 10, 2008 12:52 PM CST
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I have no idea why all that stuff is crossed out.
by plinytheelder on
Dec 10, 2008 12:52 PM CST
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Another thing about Ollie—he’s the kind of classy veteran that doesn’t cause problems when he rides the pine… he shouldn’t be a difficult guy to pull aside and explain why he’s not going to play on given nights.
by Andy G on
Dec 10, 2008 1:10 PM CST
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yeah good point.
I almost think he’d rather be on the bench, in that situation anyways – he sure didn’t look like he wanted the ball in his hands, nor should he have. Anyways hopefully it will all be cleared up once Miller’s back.
by plinytheelder on
Dec 10, 2008 1:20 PM CST
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Bullets
Andy G:
Agreed re: Carney. He does look like he’s playing with something to prove. However, his legs move faster than his brain, and he’s going to be prone to many of the same mistakes Brewer makes. His defense isn’t quite as stifling/niggling as Brewer’s, though. I wish Corey were healthy.
Agreed re: Carney. One reason I was looking forward to McHale taking over was because I thought he wouldn’t play Ollie anymore. I was wrong. Rather, Bassy was taken out of the rotation. Ollie made a pass that would’ve made a slumping Foye blush, and that turnover really killed us. Not to mention Ollie’s questionable shot selection down the stretch and that horrible foul you mentioned. He didn’t look like the cliched “steady veteran who doesn’t make mistakes”.
Good take on Jefferson. Boozer would’ve been a tougher challenge, but Millsap isn’t a slouch, and he didn’t abuse Jeff except for that short stretch you referred to. And Al looked sharp making a few nice weak side blocks. We’ll see if he can play as well tonight against Nene.
Love’s offensive game still looks VERY ugly, but his rebounding has helped make up for it. I do wonder what will happen when defenders start playing him straight up rather than reaching for the ball when he brings it down (which is how he draws so many fouls). He got bailed out at least twice yesterday when he put his head down and bulldozed into the paint. I love how he gets after it on the offensive glass, though. He fights hard.
by Shogun on
Dec 10, 2008 10:19 AM CST
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Wolves tactical advantage?
Do you guys think the Wolves have a built-in tactical advantage for the next few games? While they will have a good scouting base for the teams they play, other teams won’t have any/much tape on the McHale-coached Wolves for at least another few games.
And I assume the team strategies and tendencies will be evolving for a while until McHale has his system in place.
Just a thought and question for the knowledgeable CH crowd.
I agree that last night’s game was the most fun Wolves game to watch in a while.
by RedCandyStripedPants on
Dec 10, 2008 10:22 AM CST
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I don't think they have any advantage...
…Denver is always tough for them no matter who is coaching and they’ll be on a back-to-back. Plus, the next 2 after that are silly tough.
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by Stop-n-Pop on
Dec 10, 2008 10:25 AM CST
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Telfair
Ollie played 25 minutes last night and telfair plays 10 minutes. One thing that didn’t bother me about the Wolves giving away Chalmers to Miami in the draft was their full roster and the commitment I thought they probably had at the time to signing Telfair as their backup Point guard.
I really didn’t think the competition in training camp for the 3rd point guard amounted to much and I never expected that Ollie was going to get much playing time and rather would be a good guy to have around as a veteran to be an example in the locker room and occassionally to get some playing time when Foye and Telfair need some guidance for how to run a certain set a play against a certain player in the league.
McHale did give Love and Jefferson time together last night while also letting McCants, Smith and Gomes extended playing time. But, what’s up with Telfair? It makes me wonder. Was Telfair Wittmans guy and his signing over taking Chalmer’s done to appease Wittman? Telfair was the one guy with quotes saying how much he was going to miss Wittman.
He was +7 in his 10 minutes last nights to Ollies -4 and Foyes -1.
by Andy B on
Dec 10, 2008 10:23 AM CST
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Rhino...
Guys,
It isn’t uncommon for Rhino to look unstoppable on offense this season. At first I thought it was just a flash in the pan, but he’s put together a nice 20 games, or 1/4 of a season. Is he really becoming a starting caliber ballplayer? We all know his (literal) shortcomings, but he’s a fine, fine offensive player. I’m now more confident going to him for a tough basket than Foye, Miller, Shaddy, or Love, mostly because Rhino can both create and finish shots. I’ve always been very anti-Rhino, but I feel like we can’t deny anymore that he’s something we should be thinking about how to best use. This might involve showcasing him for a trade or giving him a larger role on our team, but color me impressed: Rhino is a legit NBA player and has shown a lot of improvement this year.
by Shogun on
Dec 10, 2008 10:28 AM CST
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Re:Rhino
I’m a Rhino hater, but I suppose a lot of that has to do with him taking away minutes and touches from MY BOY Kevin Love. I bet if we didn’t have Love, I’d be a lot more willing to admit he’s been playing some very serviceable basketball as of late.
by Blakeley on
Dec 10, 2008 10:43 AM CST
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Dynamic Duo
While I did like the fact that “Mac” stuck with certain players, I must still say that he did have one or two surprising line-ups. I think the worst one was when he was playing Telfair and Ollie at the guard spots with and ice cold McCants at 3. I’m not sure how much that’s going to work for us in the long run.
Overall though, it was a very entertaining game to watch. Seeing players cheer for one another is fun! Mad Dog was ahead of his time.
Finally, as much as it pains me to say this…You can kind of see why members of the T-wolves front office are so quick to defend “Mac”. He seems to be a pretty friendly guy, and probably a breath of fresh air for anyone in the locker room. He should still be fired, but I think I’m going to be okay with him as coach for the time being.
by Blakeley on
Dec 10, 2008 10:41 AM CST
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Blakely...
…great point about that horrid lineup. I forgot to comment on that. McCants should under no circumstances be allowed to play the three, and neither Bassy nor Ollie should ever be playing the two. There were a few particularly ugly stretches when we were swinging the ball around the perimeter to guards who can’t shoot.
Ditto Carney. He can’t shoot either, and fans shouldn’t get excited that he has made a few three point shots in the past couple of games. The guys on the bench were actually laughing after his second three last night, suggesting that they couldn’t believe he had made it. I was waiting for the MJ “shrug” from Carney as a sheepish admission that even he couldn’t believe he had made two threes.
by Shogun on
Dec 10, 2008 10:51 AM CST
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I agree
But, the lineup was only out there for 1:37 for the second qtr and was actually +1. After Carney subbed in for McCants Ollie and Telfair played together for another 2 minutes and were a +3 together. Foye then came in for Ollie and Telfair continued to play well with a total +7 for his ten minutes.
by Andy B on
Dec 10, 2008 11:02 AM CST
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there were some baffling lineups, at times...
I couldn’t believe that the offense was being run BY and THROUGH Kevin Ollie, in crunchtime. After the late timeout, they got it together and got the ball to Foye, but multiple key possessions failed by having Ollie try to create. (His prayer jumper being the exception, I guess.)
I suspect that some of this is just McHale having one day to prepare and not being totally ready to go.
by Andy G on
Dec 10, 2008 11:04 AM CST
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yeah I agree -
he will hopefully rework the offence away from the Ollie iso plays.
by plinytheelder on
Dec 10, 2008 12:57 PM CST
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Wait wait wait wait wait…….
McHale made the …. I agree.
The cold gettin’ to ya SnP? :D. No just jokin’; good post, let’s not get overboard on one game. Let’s wait and see what he can do with practice.
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by Wim (Belgium) on
Dec 10, 2008 11:16 AM CST
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Just to be clear...
…I don’t think he did much coaching. He was just upbeat and seemed to smile a lot and that made the team play loosey-goosey. There really wasn’t a system or any large chunk of set plays. They just sort of played. My big question is how long can something like this last on a bad team?
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by Stop-n-Pop on
Dec 10, 2008 11:58 AM CST
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This team can't stand prosperity
Man, a couple of more made free throws (if Al was upset at Love, he should look in the mirror since he missed 4 of his own) and this was a win and maybe the team starts believing in the McHale era. Now, with the schedule they have, they are likely looking at another really long losing streak and I assume they will go back into their shell. Just a few more free throws. . . Or imagine if our starting backcourt actually hit open shots. . .
Still, there were some positives. We’ll see if they last. The team was close to being fun to watch, and that’s about all you can ask for.
Oh, and mini-Wally was back last night. Must have been a 1-game suspension or something.
by Sterno on
Dec 10, 2008 12:24 PM CST
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by the way
I think if Al was upset with Love it was as much for the turnovers than anything – those “cute” passes that, as the announcers said, just aren’t going to work in the NBA.
by plinytheelder on
Dec 10, 2008 12:58 PM CST
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Does anyone know who the mini-Wally guy is?
I’ve always been curious about who that guy is. I assume they were intentionally trying to keep a Wally-looking person affiliated with the Twolves because Wally was popular here? Could it be another example of Taylor trying to rekindle the past?
by Shogun on
Dec 10, 2008 12:43 PM CST
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Not sure who he is,
but he has been here for a couple of seasons. Maybe going back to when Wally was here.
As much as they need a new front office, they need a new marketing team.
by Andy B on
Dec 10, 2008 12:49 PM CST
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He used to work at Brave New Workshop in uptown, and I’ve seen him in a few random commercials.
by Dib432 on
Dec 10, 2008 1:53 PM CST
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His name's Mike Rylander
I’ve seen him in some plays that a couple friends of mine have been in. Seems like a nice enough guy.
by wyn on
Dec 10, 2008 3:15 PM CST
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He was named one of Cosmo's sexiest bachelors...
…last year or something. I would always scream “Wally,” and my bf pointed out an article they did about him and his sexy bachelor status in the Southwest Journal or Uptown paper or something.
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Dec 10, 2008 4:15 PM CST
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Website...
…http://www.mikerylander.com/welcome1.html
Apparently, he’s the best buy hologram at the mall:
http://www.sixteen-nine.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=176:best-buy-guy-peddles-services-in-hologram&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=50
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by Stop-n-Pop on
Dec 10, 2008 5:21 PM CST
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Yo how about some love
for Foye’s left-handed drive and lefty layup in the first quarter? ;)
by plinytheelder on
Dec 10, 2008 1:00 PM CST
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Nice little passage from Zgoda's blog:
At least you know the guy [Love] cares. He basically was sniffling back tears in the locker room and said he needed someone to talk him down off the bridge.
McCants, who missed all seven shots he took in the first half and then couldn’t get an in-bounds pass to Al Jefferson when the play broke down after Okur scored, wasn’t about to do it.
"No way," McCants said. "He can’t jump off no bridge because we’ve got a game tomorrow night."
by plinytheelder on
Dec 10, 2008 1:30 PM CST
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I don't know what to say about Love and tears
It reminds me how much KG cared when he first came here. He could get pretty emotional after a loss too. But, KG had Sam Mitchell and Terry Porter to sort of mold him into a professional and a man.
Love? He has McCants telling him he can’t jump off a bridge because we play tonight and Al Jefferson giving him a cold shoulder. Love is a young guy, just like KG was when he was starting out. He needs some good mentors and guidance. I’m afraid he might not get it from Big Al and the other young guys. He’ll have to grow up fast and, lets hope, he is not tainted in the process.
I have to say, I like Love a lot. Who cares about the missed FT and the cute passes at this stage. 15 rebounds and getting to the line 9 times while also attempting cute passes shows me something about the kind of playe rhe can become.
by Andy B on
Dec 10, 2008 2:26 PM CST
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Well, maybe McHale could be the guy...
I don’t want to drink too much kool-aid but here’s a quote from the AP game recap:
Rookie Kevin Love was dressing somberly in the Timberwolves locker room, his back to a group of reporters getting ready to ask him about four crucial misses from the free throw line down the stretch against Utah on Tuesday night.
Then new coach Kevin McHale came up and gave him a hearty pat on the back and a nurturing squeeze of the neck, letting the 20-year-old know that all was not lost. Just one game.
‘’I told him we’re going to be in a lot of battles and I’ll go to battle with him any day of the week,’’ McHale said after the Wolves lost 99-96 to the Jazz in his debut as coach.
The best-case scenario would be if McHale also mentored Al on…well, how to be a mentor. I know Al’s only 23, but he’s clearly the leader of the team.
Then again there’s that video going around now of KG literally making Glen Davis cry. Who knows.
oh ps I think the McCants comment was meant in a “mentoring” kind of way, i.e. don’t worry rook, in the NBA there’s always another game very soon. Sorry if I didn’t provide proper context.
Agreed on Love – anybody notice that pass a few games ago, he was on the right baseline, and somehow saw Gomes, also on the baseline but on the opposite side of the court, through a whole crowd of people, for a 3? I think he’ll come to understand pretty quickly what passes he can make and which ones he can’t. I think he’ll be a really good player in this league for a long time.
by plinytheelder on
Dec 10, 2008 2:39 PM CST
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Thanks on the context for McCants
I can recall Sam Mitchell saying to KG way back when about how he can’t let losses eat at him so much because there are way too many games and hes going to lose a few more the rest of his career. KG was never able to take that leadership role as a Timberwolf, but thats probably because he was in a different role than Sam and Porter as a star. It doesn’t surprise me about davis (does this give new meaning to the nickname “big baby?”) and KG. I think he could be pretty hard on some guys with the Wolves too. But, he was good to McCants and Foye. KG has a high standard and I think it has to do with how hard a player works and not how good he is. I don’t think KG was particularly fond of Ricky Davis and he definately did not like Mike james.
Love will be all right and, I’m starting to believe that if it came to making a choice between Big Al and Love, we couldn’t go wrong by choosing Love.
by Andy B on
Dec 10, 2008 2:46 PM CST
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Another reason to like McHale on the bench
is that he looks so much better in a suit than those daffy sweaters.
by Andy B on
Dec 10, 2008 1:42 PM CST
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Amen!
I actually thought that was an alright suit/tie combo, kind of conservative but at least not a disaster like that blue square thing Miller was wearing the other night.
by plinytheelder on
Dec 10, 2008 2:11 PM CST
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Jefferson's Attitude
I think Al Jefferson deserves his share of the blame for the meltdown-ready mental state the team always seems to be in during 4th quarters. He’s got to learn to control himself when a teammate makes a mistake, no matter how bad.
On top of that, his defense on Okur’s game winner was terrible! Petersen touched on this in the broadcast, but held back from the kind of criticism I thought was deserved. Al didn’t even put a hand up.
by Dib432 on
Dec 10, 2008 2:10 PM CST
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I really dislike Shaddy...
…and his comments in stories like this is one reason why:
http://www.twincities.com/timberwolves/ci_11183839
I’m glad Shaddy was willing to talk about “how good McHale knows he (Shaddy) is” after a big loss. I realize that there’s a context here, but I still think that this is another piece of evidence that suggests Shaddy only cares about himself. I hope we can ship him out, but if he continues making mistake after mistake, he’ll be lucky to get a vets minimum contract somewhere else next season.
by Shogun on
Dec 10, 2008 2:47 PM CST
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I haven’t forgotten how much fun it was to watch the 2007-08 Rashad McCants, so I’m still (slightly) optimistic that a kinder coach like McHale can resurrect that player. We can’t be throwing out lineups with multiple non-shooters like the Telfair-Carney, Ollie-Carney, Telfair-Ollie stuff we saw, last night. Miller’s return will hurt Shaddy’s minutes, but I still think McHale is smart to build his confidence back up.
by Andy G on
Dec 10, 2008 2:54 PM CST
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If Jefferson is a 20/10 guy who doesn't give you anything else...
…then Shaddy is a 14/1 guy who hurts you in other ways. (Btw, I don’t buy the argument that Jefferson doesn’t bring anything else to the table, I’m trying to magnify how little Shaddy does on the floor except chuck). Shaddy is the worst kind of one way player, and he makes Al’s all-around game look like Hakeem Olajuwon’s. I agree that we need shooters out there, but at this point I’m not even sure whether having Shaddy’s shotmaking ability on the floor outweighs his negative qualities. Hopefully I’m wrong, and all he needs is some confidence and playing time. I know McHale is going to try to give him both.
by Shogun on
Dec 10, 2008 3:02 PM CST
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14 & 1 is ok as a 6th man scoring guard. Plus, Shaddy’s a highlight machine. Well, he hasn’t been this year, but last year his nasty dribble-jumpers were one of the few bright spots during the whole season. He’ll get it going. You just wait, Shogun.
by Andy G on
Dec 10, 2008 3:11 PM CST
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let me play devil's advocate here...
and ask: what about his UNC days? What I’m saying is this: would he really have seen the court on a Roy Williams-coached team if he couldn’t do more than chuck? I remember watching him during their title run, and he was a pretty good team player. He got his points, but he also played D and fed the post. I guess what I’m saying is that I think he’s got it in him to be a pretty good team guy. I agree that that “he knows how good I am” quote is a bit bizarre…but then again, it shows he has confidence in himself. I think he’s pressing a bit right now, but once his shot starts falling he’ll look a whole lot better.
by plinytheelder on
Dec 10, 2008 3:13 PM CST
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I'm pretty sure McCants will not be a Wolf next season...
but I still want to see him on the floor, playing well, until his time runs out, in MN. It makes the games more enjoyable and ups his trade value, if the right offer comes in.
by Andy G on
Dec 10, 2008 3:25 PM CST
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He definitely *can* look better...
…. he did, in fact, during chunks of last season. The thing I don’t like about Shaddy is that even when he picks it up, I’m skeptical that it can help a winning team. I’m well aware that UNC won a title while he was on its squad, but he had supreme talent around him and it isn’t unthinkable that another decent player could’ve been put in his place and the outcome wouldn’t have been different. Shaddy seems so overly obsessed with himself – me, me, me – and unaware of what else is going on out there that I don’t see how his one man show is ever going to lead to a lot of victories. In anticipation of getting a +/- stat shoved in my face, I know that he’s performed relatively well in that category (he has, right?), but I’ve watched enough games to see how his performance has been detrimental. In fact, I’d say that he’s played a very big role in losing two games for us this season that I attended – the Golden State game in Oakland and last night’s game against Utah. If we’re not just talking about using him as a stop-gap but are considering long-term implications, I’d much prefer to run with Brewer at the two than Shaddy. I think Brew will help teams win, and Shaddy won’t. Just my opinion.
by Shogun on
Dec 10, 2008 3:30 PM CST
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Everybody thought Marbury
was a model teammate too when he first arrived in the league. He turned out to be crazy. Some guys just let everything go to their head once they’re in the league.
by roundhouse on
Dec 10, 2008 4:19 PM CST
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after 20 games
Jefferson also has 40 blocks
2 blocks per game isn’t too shabby
but yea there are times where his defense disapears
by Carrion on
Dec 10, 2008 4:18 PM CST
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It'll be interesting to see how Jeff and Love do tonight...
…it seems like they always struggle with the ultra-athletic frontline of Nene, K-Mart, and Melo. We’re not going to be able to exploit one-on-one matchups as well as we did last night, methinks.
by Shogun on
Dec 10, 2008 4:42 PM CST
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as for the coaching
Kevin has had only one pregame warmup to apply his plays as a coach, so yea, there really wasn’t any design to the game. But, Kevin does own the best winning percentage of any coach teh T-Wolves have ever had (going in to last nights game). Now, I know that 32 games is not any thing to judge his coashing prowess, but while he was certainly a bad GM, he might be a pretty darn good coach (even if he doesn’t like doing it).
before we throw him compleatly away, lets see how well he coach’s the team. right now, we are winning only 1 in 5 games. that translates into only 16 wins. if we finnish the season with at least 25 wins (winning 1 in 3 of the remaining games). then maybe McHail should be allowed to stay, at least one more year as the coach. the FO still needs to be addressed, though. because McHail, clearly doesn’t belong any where near desk, and phone.
as an addendum, I would love to see Flip Saunders make a triumphant return to Minn. he is won of the elite coach’s and right now he is still available.
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by the Real Thor on
Dec 10, 2008 4:53 PM CST
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If he wins 25 wins games he should be allowed to stay!?!?
Nothing like setting the bar low. A whole 3-game improvement over last year on what is supposed to be a much improved squad. Mchale said this team would go .500 this year, so he should have to be .500 as head coach.
by roundhouse on
Dec 10, 2008 5:15 PM CST
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the bar was ...
… already set low by our current winning percentage. as a GM he was absolutely horrid. he had one increadible pick (which he lucked into). then an other decent pick (marbury). then he traded the wrong player (gugliota(sp?) ). then one bad trade after an other, compounded by the lost draft picks that wasted the early years of KG. and he ended it with what I still think was a good trade (mayo for love, that sounds like it should be the name of a naughty movie). so, one great pick, one good but wasted pick, one good trade, and years of absolutely awfull trades. GM he absolutely should be fired. and in a way he has been.
now, as a Coach, if we get at least 25 wins this year, that is almost a 10 game improvement on our current pace. that is an improvement that would be worth a second look. I would be absolutely extatic if we could reach 30 wins this year based on our performance thus far. andquite happy with 25, seeing as we were on a pace for less then 20 which would be a significant loss from last years tally.
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by the Real Thor on
Dec 10, 2008 7:20 PM CST
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to further the point
for the wolves to get to 30 wins, which is about what most people thought was reasonably possible at the begining of the season, the wolves would have to win at a .484 clip. that is almost two and a half times their current pace. to get to 34 would be a .548 clip. For us to reach 25 wins this season, we need to win at a .339 pace the rest of the way, thats is a .130 improvement on the season. which is at least a reasonable improvement we could or should expect from a better coach under these circumstances. and about the amount of improvement that was expected going into the season.
That does not mitigate the fact that we need a real GM, and under no cercumstances should McHale be allowed to return to his former post at the end of the season. also, I am not opposed to looking outside for a new coach next year. Top on my list is Flip Saunders. probably the best, currently unemployed HC candidate there is.
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by the Real Thor on
Dec 10, 2008 8:28 PM CST
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With all due respect...
Big Al couldn’t carry Duncan’s jock.
Look here junior, don't you be so happy.
And for Heaven's sake, don't you be so sad.
by E-6 on
Dec 10, 2008 5:49 PM CST
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lol
Am I missing something? Did someone make a Duncan comparison?
Oh now I see. With all due respect, I don’t really think he’s saying Al is as good as Duncan, I think he’s making a point about inside-out scoring.
by plinytheelder on
Dec 10, 2008 7:05 PM CST
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No...
…Big Al can’t, but I was going with the little/big, in/out comparison. I’m pretty indifferent to Al at this point. He’s a scorer; 20/10 and that’s it. If I were picking players to start a team, and I had to take from the Wolves, I don’t think he’d by my choice.
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by Stop-n-Pop on
Dec 10, 2008 7:45 PM CST
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A Baron Davis...
to Big Al’s Zach Randoph, maybe? ;-)
Look here junior, don't you be so happy.
And for Heaven's sake, don't you be so sad.
by E-6 on
Dec 10, 2008 7:52 PM CST
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Ew...
…how about Stephen Curry to Kevin Love?
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by Stop-n-Pop on
Dec 10, 2008 8:00 PM CST
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That would work for me.
Look here junior, don't you be so happy.
And for Heaven's sake, don't you be so sad.
by E-6 on
Dec 10, 2008 8:27 PM CST
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Big Trade Goes Down
Pheonix Trades Boris Diaw, Raja Bell and Sean Singletary to the Bobcats for Jason Richardson, Jared Dudley and a 2009-2010 2nd round pick.
by Tony_O on
Dec 10, 2008 6:53 PM CST
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wow...
this to me looks like one of those trades that’s bad for both teams. I guess I should say that I’m not a huge fan of Richardson. Then again he’ll probably look great on the end of Nash’s lob passes. And who knows, maybe in Charlotte Diaw will finally become the player everyone thinks he can be.
by plinytheelder on
Dec 10, 2008 7:15 PM CST
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And to the Wolves....
…goes Raymond Felton. It may not be the Wovles, but I’d guess that his days in Charlotte are numbered.
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by Stop-n-Pop on
Dec 10, 2008 7:47 PM CST
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yeah,
seems like they want to go with the other guy.
You know, at this point, unless Felton can improve his shooting pct, I’m not sure I’d be all that crazy about the Wolves getting him. I guess it would depend who they gave up… It’s strange, I absolutely loved the guy in college, and thought he’d be a really good pro.
I don’t know, maybe I just still have that Denver game in my head – i.e. memories of whoever was guarding Telfair or Ollie just sagging off and begging them to take the shot. I don’t get to see Felton much either, maybe I’d think differently if I did.
by plinytheelder on
Dec 10, 2008 10:49 PM CST
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