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Trading For Noah: try #2

After I hugely underestimated the underestimating of one Devin Harris, lemmie give it another go. As always, comments are more than welcome, I'm hoping this one looks a little less lopsided.

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The link to the trade is here: ESPN Trade Machine link

Add our Utah/Boston pick to Chicago
Add Knicks 2010 first rounder to Chicago

Hope that works for all of you guys because I won't be typing it out here for the sake of order (3-way trades are such a mess). Again my arguments for making the trade from the different standpoints.

Bulls

The Bulls exchange Hughes in the backcourt for Miller. I'd think that's about even?

Smith for Noah. Just as Noah is a better fit for us, Smith offers more inside scoring.

Giving up Gray (or Simmons if you'd like that better) is the bad part for them. Though if they get the Boston/Utah pick, they should be able to get an equal replacement.

Hinrich for Marbury, on talent I think Marbury can give them what Hinrich does. They'd have to go looking for a replacement for Hinrich but with the cash this opens up they'd have the chance to sign someone a lot better than either. With Hinrich gone it gives them another 10 mil extra in the 2010 sweepstakes. This is the biggest incentive for this trade for the Bulls.

Basicly it's also Hinrich for the Knicks pick next  year. You might argue they'd want a player back for Hinrich instead. I think a first rounder is the best they'll get without taking back a 7-9 ish contract. So they get Free agency money (10mil minus guaranteed rookie) + a new rookie in 2010. If they really wanna free up some money for 2010 wile picking up something on the way, this is their best shot.

T-wolves

Doesn't make us an instant contender off course but it seems a step forward.

In the back court we give up Miller in favor of Hinrich. We all know we've got plenty more people that can play the two: Foye, Mccants, Brewer and ever Carney. Let alone the fact that Hinrich can play some combo-SG as well, I think he'd be good/great with Foye. Hinrich is only 27 which makes him fit  "he'll be a veteran when Big Al is in his prime" role even better than Miller. His contract isn't fantastic, but it isn't bad either, we'd have him locked up for 4 more years + we'd probably still have some cash for whomever would be willing to play for us in 2009/2010. This trade off course fails if suddenly Miller starts shooting again, otherwise, I say on talent we break even but fix both PG and SG logjams which makes me less nervous about selecting Griffin (or Thabeet!) come June.

In the front we lose Smith and gain Noah. Though not a typical Center, Noah can play it and would be a much better complement to Jefferson. He's also young which is always a plus on our team. Might have a positive effect on Brew as well. Gray was very high on my 2nd round draft board back in 2006 (?). He's a very solid back-up center for when we want to go big. You could exchange him for Cedric Simmons if the Bulls don't want to give up Gray, not sure about it.

We give up our two expiring contracts but keep enough for a leftover semi-star who might come over here. I'd rather make this smaller improvements than hoping for Lebron, as long as we can plug one hole with a leftover, I'm ok for 2010.

We give up a pick that could give us some leverage for the draft. Though the positives weigh up to this imo.

Knicks

They get rid of Marbury.

Lebron 2010 is save.

They get someone they can actually use in that back-court in Larry Hughes, they get him for 2 years. He's definitly got enough to be a back-up.

They have some 4mil more on the books now and 20mil next year. Which is a negative. But if they can trade away Marbury NOW and get a decent player for 2 years in return, they should take it and run. RUUUUUUUN. Especially since they need some back-court help.

They probably don't mind giving up that pick since they're going in the right direction (so it won't be a really really high one probably), especially if it's a 2010 pick because they don't want the guaranteed money on their books as they're going all out spending spree in 2010.

Since they were thinking about buying out Marbury (for probably just a little over Hughes salary) they get Hughes for free in exchange for 2010 first rounder. I think I'd like that.

 

 

 

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That deal makes a great deal of sense

it works enough that I don’t think it needs to have picks involved. However, if the Wolves put it together, maybe they could get a top-10 protected pick from the Knicks for their trouble

by McCleak on Dec 18, 2008 6:16 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Knicks shouldn't be giving up a pick as they are taking on bad contracts

Also the wolves probably wouldn’t need to give up 2 picks, one or the other. So pretty much exactly what McCleak said.

The deciding factor in this trade is exactly how bad do the Bulls want to get rid of Hinrich’s contract? If they’re content on keeping him then this trade wouldn’t happen, although it does make a lot of sense for all teams involved.

by roundhouse on Dec 18, 2008 10:36 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh and the Bulls would probably want to keep the Freight Train

because this trade leaves them short on centers. Just substitute some crappy player or trade exemption in there if the salary is needed to make the trade work.

by roundhouse on Dec 18, 2008 10:38 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My toughts exactly, bad part is the only other “crappy player” they got is Cedric Simmons, who seems to be making the most of the minutes he’s getting (it’s indeed needed for salary matching).

Good though on the trade expection, if they could thrown that in instead of Gray it would really be an improvement for the balance.

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by Wim (Belgium) on Dec 19, 2008 4:53 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not sure what you mean with the first line. With “the Boston/Utah pick” I ment one of both, so I think we agree on that one ^^

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by Wim (Belgium) on Dec 19, 2008 4:56 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Trade is Fantastic

Randy Foye would be able to play the Legit Position he played in College… Shooting Guard…Heinrich is a Legit Point Guard….and Noah is that Presence We need down low. Great Deal…we can dream of it happening…I hope it does!

by Tony_O on Dec 19, 2008 1:01 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice work...

…I do have to say that those are some fugly contracts involved in this deal.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Dec 19, 2008 4:28 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yea that doesn't really matter for the wolves though taking on Hinrich

unless you’re still hoping for us signing a superstar free agent in 2010…probably not happening.

I think with a few tweaks this trade could legitimately happen and would make the wolves a whole lot better.

by roundhouse on Dec 19, 2008 8:23 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At this point...

… pointing out McHale’s draft day boffos is equivalent to beating an entire herd of dead horses, but I still can’t believe they didn’t draft Noah. I mean, their bigs at that point were KG, Mark Blount, Craig Smith, Justin Reed, and Maddog. You’re telling me Noah wouldn’t have stepped in almost immediately as option #2 on that list? And if they had some form of the KG deal in the hopper, you figure by replacing Jefferson with KG, Noah’s defense and athleticism would have been even more needed… I understand he was considered offensively limited and all, and McHale likes his big men to have soft touches, but Brewer was/is offensively limited, as well, and he plays a more demanding offensive position.

Anyway, I think this deal would be decent. Although I’m beginning to wonder if they should just go “all young” and avoid going after veterans until a new F.O. comes in. I’ve always liked Hinrich, though, and an adequate guard would be something to behold. OTOH, due to Hinrich’s marginal size and max-effort playing style, I wonder if he might fizzle out.

by jianfu on Dec 20, 2008 8:45 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At that point the Wolves...

we’ren’t looking for a nice complimentary player they were trying to hit a home run to save the KG era. Brewer was on a SUPER hotstreak from the last few weeks of the season threw the NCAA tournament. He billed as a gamer… defensive stopper… shooter who would create mismatches on both ends of the court. He clearly isn’t (and will never be) the offensive player they’d dreamed he was.

by Pants_ on Dec 30, 2008 10:00 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Decent work

but I can’t imagine the Knicks would make this trade. They have already paid 30% of Marbury’s salary this year—getting rid of him helps but it doesn’t seem like they’re desperate. Not desperate enough to take on 2010 salary, which they have done a great job of shedding so far. Does Larry Hughes really propel them toward excellence?

by Eric in Madison on Dec 22, 2008 10:05 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Valid points, I guess it all depends on how many more pranks Marbury pulls but granted, valid points

Beater of the early Thabeet drum

by Wim (Belgium) on Dec 22, 2008 5:29 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bulls fan here

Apologies for coming in this late. A couple of thoughts

1) Why would anyone want Noah?
Granted he was a good prospect out of Florida, so far he’s proven to be a bit of a trouble maker who needs more time in the gym to even cover his potential.

2) Bulls management’s always been sticklers to the luxury tax.
This move immediately puts us over the tax the and Paxdorf brain trust is naturally cheapskate.

3) Marbury? seriously?
Hughes as been Marbury-Lite. I fear the prospect of having the real locker room cancer in the same area code as Derrick Rose, even if it is for less than a season.

3) Reality aside.
I’m all for this trade. I like the prospect of 2010 money and if Rose can keep himself clean from Marbury, his expiring contract opens up more cash for us to get a real post presence.

by Alighieri on Jan 7, 2009 2:31 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

1) We’d want Noah cuz we’re desperatly in need of a athletic big. We haven an undersized PF who’s all about smarts (Love), we have an undersized center (actually, he’s also a PF) who’s all about low-post skill and we have an undersized PF who scores by moves (a la barkley?).

So basicly, we’d want him because of desperate need of some athletecism with the added bonus of sliding Jefferson over to the PF more (+ maybe some florida chemistry). It’s more the fit than the player.

2) Thanks for the insight about the luxury thing, thanks!

3) Pure on type of play I actually think Marbury and Rose are pretty similar. Off course, you’d have to completely blind yourself for the personality thing. On the other hand, Antoine (Walker) showed some mentoring during the early stage of his tenure here … at least for a couple of months. No srsly you’re right, you’d have to have some kind of future plan for wanting to take that bitter pill.

By the way, how do you guys feel about Mccants?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2777303132243030&teams=441616&te=&cash=

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by Wim (Belgium) on Jan 7, 2009 5:10 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A Mcants trade would be very simple, too bad chicago already has two players that do exactly what Mcants should do and do it better in Hughes and Gordon.

by oblivionspocket on Jan 9, 2009 5:03 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Chicago Trade Exception

I notice that Chicago has about a 5 million dollar trade exception

by oblivionspocket on Jan 9, 2009 5:00 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If we had some sort of sign and trade deal to get Ben Gordon, what would Gordon’s contract look like?

by oblivionspocket on Jan 9, 2009 5:07 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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