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Pretty good stuff from Dave Berri, mostly about Kevin Love, Big Al and McHale.

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Ryan Gomes

HE started slow last year, too and had a better second half. However, I am finding harder and harder to believe that Ryan Gomes was worth signing in the offseason. Losing Brewer and having to give minutes to Gomes has to really bother McHale. If Brewer were healthy, I think Gomes might be getting DNP-CD and sitting right alongside Bassy.

by Andy B on Dec 22, 2008 7:17 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think the lesson we learned in the offseason...

…was that filler is filler is filler is filler and you shouldn’t sign filler beyond 2 years. Gomes is a nice forward off the bench and a fantastic member of the community. That’s a good thing to have on a team. Berri uses some different metrics than what I like to use here at Hoopus, but he came to the same conclusion about the deal. It certainly isn’t the highway robbery I once called it, but the Wolves traded the draft rights to a scorer for two good players. Love is going to be a nice pro, especially after the rookie ups and downs. 6’4" scorers are much easier to find than skilled bigs. James Harden could be their pick next year and all may be well with the trade.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Dec 22, 2008 7:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I get the point...

… but anyone who has watched all the games (and watched a lot of Memphis games) disagrees. Love is overmatched and plays the same position as our best player, Miller is 28 and injury-riddled, and Mayo is a star on the rise. I like the statistical look at the trade, but we’d all like a do over. McHale isn’t even playing Love anymore, and Brian Stensaas reported a couple weeks ago that Jefferson, Mad Dog, and Collins were dominating Love in practice. It just wasn’t a good trade from any perspective but Memphis’.

by Shogun on Dec 22, 2008 9:29 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

and even if we get Harden...

1) I doubt he’s as good as Mayo; and

2) We could’ve used the Harden pick on a center like Thabeet or Mullens, since we’d probably be a mid-lotto team even if we had Mayo. Instead of a big center, we’ll have Love coming off the bench as a solid contributor, in the mold of Ryan Gomes.

As long as K-Love keeps getting stuffed by average defenders and riding the pine behind Mad-Dog, the trade is indefensible.

by Andy G on Dec 22, 2008 9:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree that it's indefensible...

…he’s a year removed from high school and has shown signs of being an elite rebounder. Mullens is getting 16 mpg at Ohio State. Thabeet plays in a zone. He’s not even 30 games in yet. He’s gone through a coach and he is now being “coached” by…well, I can’t imagine that this is a good situation. Mayo can really, really, really score but this draft and how they use Miller will be the ultimate test of this trade.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Dec 22, 2008 9:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough...

about Mullens and Thabeet. We could take Rubio, Jennings or Curry and have them paired with Mayo in the backcourt, with Foye relegated to 6th Man—a place that I agree with your earlier posts that he’s probably going to end up at.

I know that griping about the trade is unproductive and probably tiring to read… it’s just more interesting than most of the basketball being played by the current squad, and an easy venting tool when I’d rather not dig into our umpteenth consecutive loss.

by Andy G on Dec 22, 2008 9:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The trade is what it is...

… and it’s true that griping about it isn’t helpful. But when you spend two months before the draft getting excited about a guy, take him, and then The Worst VPBO/GM In The NBA trades him for the one guy you didn’t want before the draft, and then see the guy you wanted excelling and the guy you didn’t want struggling, it’s hard to let it go and put it aside. I’m trying. Maybe counseling would help ;)

by Shogun on Dec 22, 2008 9:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd say...

…that Mayo should never be judged Mayo v. Love, but Mayo v. Foye. If this team didn’t draft Foye, I think the Mayo selection is a no-brainer even with Love on the board.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Dec 22, 2008 11:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Love

I’ve said this before, but if the comparison to Kevin Love is Al Horford, we should remember that when Horford was Love’s age he hadn’t even won a national championship yet.

by Blakeley on Dec 22, 2008 12:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Harden...

 Although I think the trade was a mistake and I agree that it would be nice to have our SG position filled by Mayo and address other needs in the draft, I’m warming up to the idea of drafting Harden. Harden looks like an NBA player out there – at least he did against BYU – but I can’t tell whether he’s going to be a big time player or the next version of Cuttino Mobley. I just don’t think there are as many “sure things” in this draft as there were in last year’s, when I thought Rose, Beasley, and Mayo were all very likely to be upper tier players or stars. In this year’s crop, I think Griffin is the only sure thing, and we just don’t need him because we’ve already got the Big Al/Love problem. On the bright side, (presumably) McHale won’t be making the choice, so we have a lower chance of doing something profoundly wrong.

by Shogun on Dec 22, 2008 9:44 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Andy B. and SnP...

… I’m with you that Gomes has been disappointing. And I don’t think his defense on any of the big guns he’s been assigned to has been as good as McHale makes it out to be. We really miss Brewer, who I think would’ve benefited a lot from McHale system, er, lack of system, as Brew seems to thrive amid chaos.

by Shogun on Dec 22, 2008 10:02 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed...

…Brewer was starting to play well too.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Dec 22, 2008 11:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

this point is purely academic

since Brewer is out for the year, but did anyone else think he was a slightly overrated defender in the few games he played this year? I recall the people he was guarding scoring far more easily than I thought they should be. I’m not thinking about the SA game, I know Parker went off but in the half I saw (1st) I thought Brewer defended him extremely well, he mostly went off against Telfair I thought. I’m thinking about games in which he defended forwards and bigger guards – they seemed to be able to both shoot over him and take him to the hole. Anyways I love the way he defends off the ball (getting steals and the like) but I’ve found his on the ball D to be slightly underwhelming, to be honest.

by plinytheelder on Dec 22, 2008 12:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree, sort of...

Brew definitely gave up some points to top players, but it’s rare for any defender to shut down big scorers. The reason why we miss him isn’t that he’d shut down the opposing team’s top player every night; it’s that he was one of our only guys who hustled every minute of every game. When I was watching the Gophers on Saturday, I thought, almost every player on our team puts it on the line like Corey Brewer does. Kevin Love also plays extremely hard, which I like, but he isn’t in the physical condition to get after it like Corey. So without Corey, we truly lack a source of “energy” on the floor. And I think that rubs off (in a bad way) on the team, because we really lack defensive intensity.

by Shogun on Dec 22, 2008 3:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree,

I just expected to see more of a shut-down guy. I guess those guys basically don’t exist in the nba…(obviously an arguable point)…definitely agree on the energy element though, I think that if anything we don’t think enough about how much the team misses him.

by plinytheelder on Dec 22, 2008 8:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Harden

I am absolutely 100% convinced that Harden is going to be a star in the league, and I believe in the end the Wolves will have to get a top 2 pick to draft him. You just don’t see guards as efficient as him very often, and I’d say that although he’s not a point, he’s a better playmaker than anyone we have on our team. Did anyone else see his line from Saturday? 30 points, 21 trips to the line, 5 or 6 rebounds/steals/assists. Wow.

by Blakeley on Dec 22, 2008 12:39 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, he played great...

… that was the first time I had seen him, so I didn’t want to jump to any conclusions. I hope you’re right, especially if we get a chance to draft him.

by Shogun on Dec 22, 2008 3:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

In all honesty

I did not see his 9 point effort which appears to be his worst game of the season, but I have seen him play a few times this year (and last year too). I’m also firmly entrenched in the anti Thabeet camp (with apologies to Belgium).

by Blakeley on Dec 22, 2008 9:44 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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