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Witt's end

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It was a busy day yesterday for yours truly so I'd like to write a few words about the contest against Charlotte before I move on to the ostrich in the room.  

Each and every Wolves fan left should be well aware of the fact that this team is a Mike-Miller-shot-with-0.1-seconds-on-the-clock-against-the-worst-franchise-in-professional sports-not-named-the-Detroit-Lions away from being an absolute catastrophe. 

Against Charlotte, the squad played like the 3-13 mess it probably should be.  (As a quick side note: Earlier in the year I wrote that this team was not a 4 win club; it was shooting poorly and playing a style of ball ill-fit to its personnel.  I didn't take into account that I should have seen the warning signs that this is simply another McHale creation that will only drive more and more fans away from the organization.) Before the Charlotte game, and more importantly after a game in which they were annihilated at the free throw line, Randy Wittman complained that his team wasn't being aggressive enough, and that players needed to get to the line more. I.e. they need to drive the lane.  In theory, this isn't all that bad of an idea.  I have written many times about the fact that the Wolves had the league's worst FTA/FTM differential in the 07/08 season and it cost them upwards of 6 points per game.  I have also written about how the Wolves lack a true point guard and are instead populated with a series of players not named Al that are built for up-tempo ball with lots of in-and-out/high-and-low action.  The players that are capable of driving the lane are either not that good at dumping it off, can't go right, can't shoot over anyone over 6'6", can't make the shot even if they could, or take 5 seconds to set up whatever sort of herky-jerky drive they will take towards the bucket.  In other words, we're still talking about a gap between system and personnel and, in this case, perhaps between tactics and strategy. 

Charlotte beat the Wolves by running what looks to be "the book" defense against Al Jefferson.  Wolves fans can get used to seeing this for the rest of the season.  We'll talk about it in a future post but it is something the big fella has seen for about three games in a row now (and on a few occasions before when it really mattered).

Against the 'Cats, the Wolves took a grand total of 75 shots.  It was a stunning display of poor, boring, and uninspired basketball in a game where the win was there for the taking against an equally poor team.  In their wins, the Wolves are averaging 80.8 shots per contest.  In their losses they are averaging 86.3.  At first I thought that this was some sort of mistake but when you take into consideration overtime losses against San Antonio (106 shots) and Golden State (110), the Wolves are simply a moderately paced team that doesn't make a lot of its shots.  To be fair to Witt, he's running a team of jump shooters that simply aren't making their jumpers and who are 26th in the league in eFG%.  To be really, really fair to Witt, perhaps he has it exactly right.  Perhaps he's simply leading a poor shooting team whose only chance to win is to keep the pace as slow as possible and to generate early FT bonuses in hopes to slow the game down even further and distract attention away from the fact that guys like Randy Foye, Rashad McCants, and Ryan Gomes really aren't good perimeter players.  Maybe we stat-head fans simply got ahead of ourselves with the idea that if you simply surround Big Al with a bunch of guys who can shoot from the outside to the tune of 40% from beyond the arc, things will be OK; paying more attention to quantity than quality; especially in terms of where, when, and how guys like 4th Quarter and Shaddy get off their shots.  Maybe we were wrong about just how useful these players were, and would be, in an in-and-out/high-and-low system.  We'll save the doubt post for another day. Instead, let's take some time to talk about the real problem with this team, the Iron Ranger.  Before I do, I would like to point out something from over at Britt's place:

"At the start of the game, we didn't get good guard play," Wittman said to Hughes and other assembled media in Charlotte. "We turned it over. We weren't into things. The right people weren't getting touches early on. When you turn it over, you can't get your defense set... We've got to start finding some veteran guys who can follow the gameplan and what we want done. You can't do it selectively... I thought we needed to get Randy off the ball and let Kevin [Ollie] run the show and I thought he did a great job of getting us into things. And Randy became more aggressive. He got to the free throw line. He was a different player than he was after that first half."

Don't think for a second that the "off the ball" comment wasn't directed squarely at the front office.  I'm becoming more and more of the belief that Witt is actively trying to force McHale's hand.  At this point in the season there is such an obvious gap between system and personnel that any change would either have to do with making a trade (admitting the personnel isn't adequate) or firing the coach (which would do nothing in the long run without changing the front office).  Witt is walking a fine line here.  On one hand, I love nothing more than thinly veiled shots at the personnel decisions of this team from someone inside of the Country Club.  On the other hand, I've worked for bosses like this before and he's probably a few "they aren't following the system" comments away from open revolt amongst his players.  He's already a Bobby Knight style coach who yanks players for looking at the scoreboard the wrong way and I can't imagine that free range tweaking in the media will do much more for the players' confidence or their performance.  One really has to wonder just how much Papa Glen's promise of employment is worth.  Is it worth enough to win a battle with the guy with ugly sweaters? We'll just have to wait and see. Jerry Zgoda takes this point to its obvious conclusion in today's column:

Afterward, coach Randy Wittman said he might need to rely on his veterans to find somebody -- anybody -- willing and able to follow that evening's game plan.

His answer begs a couple of questions: Was it another motivational salvo fired across his young team's collective bow or a solution that is the ultimate indictment of a franchise that has traded away Kevin Garnett, Brandon Roy and O.J. Mayo for a mismatched collection of players who have won four times in their first 16 games?

And if Cardinal, Ollie and Jason Collins are the best they have, isn't this outfit in big, big trouble?

Answer: yes.

Finally getting around to the Iron Ranger, let's say for a moment that McHale makes a deal.  At this point in his career McHale is little more than a gambling junkie doubling down on dwindling resources.  KG has been exchanged for Big Al. Spree and Sam were swapped out for Ricky Davis and Mike James, who have since been flipped for Randy Foye and a player to be named later. Trenton Hassell has morphed into Corey Brewer; Marko Jaric now runs around with long hair and stories about the Corn Palace; you get the picture.  I've written numerous times about how McHale's entire basketball world view is encased in the amber of the 86 Celtics, and that any personnel decision he makes can be viewed in terms as what player is closest to Larry, Danny, and so on and so forth.  What I haven't mentioned is that McHale's post-KG career with the Wolves is little more than him trying to recreate 04 with nothing but table scraps.  It's pretty hard to argue against this point.  He's gone through coach after coach after soon-to-be-coach to make this 04 blueprint work.  There are new ad campaigns and players on the court, but it all boils down to the second verse being exactly the same as the first. 

This team continues to poke its fans in the eye with an increasingly incompetent storyline: old players are cashed out for lesser versions of themselves, draft picks are either mismatched or misused, and the ones who got away (Josh Howard, Danny Granger, Brandon Roy, Thad Young, OJ Mayo) act like salt in an open wound.  Meanwhile, it's always the coach's fault for being unable to make the motley crew work.  Flip wasn't able to square the circle, Dwayne wasn't a member of the Country Club, and Randy is about to be exposed as a failure for being unable to put together the pieces that only fit inside the Iron Ranger's mind.  Team commercial spokesmen are also not immune to the constant downgrading of McHale's leadership, as Sweetwater Jones has morphed into Don Overbeck.  Next year, after the team takes yet another player that doesn't fit the system or existing personnel, we'll have to watch commercials with Pappy Thompson, a 50s era reject with thick glasses and tight shorts who talks about the good ol' days at the Minneapolis armory.   Even things out of the team's control follow a sick pattern.  First it was Shaddy, then Foye, and now Corey Brewer is missing a significant portion of his 2nd year with a severe injury.  K-Love better come out in a protective cocoon in his sophomore season. 

Something needs to change.  I'm fairly certain it will be a trade or a coaching move, but we remaining fans all know what needs to be done.  The issue here isn't Witt (although it may be if he continues on his current path of not trusting players and calling them out in the press).  The issue here isn't bad shooting or poor defending post players.  It's Kevin McHale.  Period.  This front office needs to be cleaned out and the furniture bleached of the stench.  I am rapidly approaching a point of no return with this club.  I find it hard to even watch the games anymore.  What is the point if the same crew that crashed the car is going to be the ones behind the wheel with up to 4 1st rounders and a bucket of free agent money?  These clowns have been blowing drafts all the way back to 1999.  They've been overpaying players since Wally.  They've been signing the wrong free agents since T-Hud.  Even if they get lucky (and they've been lucky before with Mr. Roy and Mr. Granger landing in their laps), they won't get it right.  Even if they change coaches, they won't get it right.  Even if they land a free agent, they won't get it right.  At what point is enough enough?  Fire McHale, blow it up, start over before it's too late.

Until later.

UPDATE: I crossed out the "blow it up" part as it was a bit ambiguous with its distinction between personnel and front office.  Midlife Crisis hits the nail on the head with a comment from a previous post:

I’m pretty worried about the future of this franchise when the best that the most obsessed fans can hope for is blowing up the team again, and leaving ourselves another tier down talentwise and again hoping for what, exactly. A top star moving to a small market in an ice cold town with a front office that shipped out then flamed the best nba player (by a long long ways) to ever grace this franchise. Or are we hoping that Ricky Rubio will have a bigger impact than Lebron James.

That's spot on and I'm, admittedly, guilty as charged.  Speaking for myself, the "blow-it-up" attitude comes from years of being poked in the eye by the only team I really pay attention to.  I have zero idea where they are going and zero faith that they can get there.  When I step back from it and get as detached as possible, I can say that this team needs a new front office with a fresh set of eyes.  I really am convinced that guys like Miller, Love, Jefferson, Gomes, Brewer and Foye can exist on a winning team.  You may be talking about 4 bench players and 2 starters, but they're not bad players and some of them could have value to make a necessary move.  This team just needs to have the Country Club blown up.  My main disagreement with MC's post is that McHale, by himself, is a constant downgrade machine.  By the simple virtue of him running the ship, you get a lesser version of what this team should be.  From coaching to personnel to marketing to whatever, this team suffers under his leadership.  Papa Glen deserves his fair share of the blame here.  Ultimately, the buck stops with him and his refusal to do what needs to be done is a big problem with this team and it continues to downgrade the product and move more fans to the exits with each passing season.

UPDATE ii: I forgot to mention it, but on the way to the gym to watch the 2nd 1/2 while on the treadmill I tuned into local Wolves affiliate 1420 KTOE to listen to the game.  Instead of hearing the Wolves v Cats in Papa Glen's hometown, I was treated to the world famous Bethany vs. Luther College tilt from Iowa.  Awesome.

UPDATE iii: Inspired by an Andy G comment from an earlier post, I present to you an illustrated history of being a Wolves fan:

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With each and every move we talk ourselves into believing, the ball gets pulled away yet again. First it was Ebi, then McCants over Granger, then Foye over Roy, then Brewer over Young...it's now Love v. Mayo and while I still think the deal was a one-sided win for the Wolves, I have a nagging feeling that I may just be suffering from Stockholm Syndrome rather than having a solid b-ball take on the deal that went down.

UPDATE iv: Sterno has some excellent things to say in the comments:

This is where I think my fandom will hang in the balance: if they go with Hoiberg, i think i’m done the Wolves after 20 years. It will be hard, given I generally ike the NBA and have had many great times at Wolves’ games, but life is too short and tix are too expensive.

However, if they step outside the organiation, and hire a real GM, things could look up. New blood. A lot of draft picks. Cap flexibility. Some young players with potential. One of the best low-post scorers in the league. Another frontcourt player who SHOULD compliment the low post scorer on the offensive end. So what if you don’t want to play up for a Van Gundy or a E. Jordan or F. Saunders (not that I like any of those guys anyway)? Why wouldn’t a quality assistant want to start with those assets?

We’re 20% into the season and my only hope is that we have total regime change. Not where I want to be.

Over at Britt's place, A.K. has another interesting nugget:

One of the inducements this season for season ticket holders is the perfect attendance "contest". As long as at least one of an account holders' tickets gets punched for each game they remain eligible for prizes. Through eight home games, only 656 account holders are still eligible. The Wolves already have STH's money - this is about reducing empty seat syndrome.

Think about that - only 656 account holders have gone or found a use for their tickets less than 20% through the season. That's probably competitive with the Swarm. And yet the status quo drumbeat goes on.

I'd be willing to bet that the Swarm average more fans per contest than the Wolves this year.  Last year they averaged 11,405 per home game.  Is this the year Lacrosse eclipses basketball in the hearts and minds of Minnesota sports fans?  I kid but only a little.

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Agree that Mchale should accept his failure and quit, though I don’t think he will. But the same goes for Wittman, I just think this is a 30win team, not a 20win team like last year. There’s no arguing there are more talented players on this team than last year. Still not uberhighly skilled, but at least higher.

I say they both have to go.

by Wim (Belgium) on Dec 3, 2008 9:28 AM CST reply actions  

Hard to disagree with any of this...

The thing that killed me about the KG trade (beyond admitting failure and dealing away the best player this town’s ever likely to see) is that McHale was allowed to orchestrate it. That was a turning-the-page moment for the team, one that essentially dictated the direction of course for the next 5 years or so, and yet the man responsible for the mess in the first place was allowed to pull the trigger. Unbelievable.

by jianfu on Dec 3, 2008 9:34 AM CST reply actions  

Amazing, but the problem is both the FO and the Coach

I see Witt being let go before McHale, just given the circumsances. I don’t think there’s an argument that both don’t completely deserve of it, and it can’t come soon enough for either. But since we know that ain’t happening, here’s the best case scenario: Schiting (not even going to bother to check how his name is spelled) leads the team on an interim basis to a 21-61 record, which will be the 3rd worst in the league (hard for me to see the Clips and the Thunder having a better record than us, but you never know). McHale resigns after the season.

This is where I think my fandom will hang in the balance: if they go with Hoiberg, i think i’m done the Wolves after 20 years. It will be hard, given I generally ike the NBA and have had many great times at Wolves’ games, but life is too short and tix are too expensive.

However, if they step outside the organiation, and hire a real GM, things could look up. New blood. A lot of draft picks. Cap flexibility. Some young players with potential. One of the best low-post scorers in the league. Another frontcourt player who SHOULD compliment the low post scorer on the offensive end. So what if you don’t want to play up for a Van Gundy or a E. Jordan or F. Saunders (not that I like any of those guys anyway)? Why wouldn’t a quality assistant want to start with those assets?

We’re 20% into the season and my only hope is that we have total regime change. Not where I want to be.

by Sterno on Dec 3, 2008 11:02 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Well put.

I especially agree with your distaste for Hoiberg. It would be like Paul Wolfowitz taking over for Rummy. Incompetence should not be rewarded with the incompetent one’s understudy getting to take over.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Dec 3, 2008 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Maybe Hoiberg

is nothing like McHale. Maybe he’s been laughing this whole time and has an entirely different idea of how things should be run and what type of players we need to go after. Point is we really don’t know. Think about it. In the business world, my bet is that the vast majority of administrative assistants would tell you that if they were the boss, they’d run things differently. That being said, yes, the first choice should be a known commodity, but if Hoiberg is chosen, don’t let that be the reason that you give up your fandom.

by wolfen on Dec 3, 2008 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Hoiberg...

….tragically ended his career in Minny. That is his qualification for the job. He’s been a part of a rapidly declining club. I agree that the new choice should be a known commodity, but it should be an up and coming asst gm. Who is Kevin Prichard’s main man?

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by Stop-n-Pop on Dec 3, 2008 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree.

Hoiberg should NOT be in a position to replace McHale. Wholesale changes are needed.

by Shogun on Dec 3, 2008 11:41 AM CST reply actions  

I don't know much about him...

…other than the Celts’ defense and his time here in Minny under Musselman. Dean Cooper was with him in Houston and is viewed as a defensive protege. I guess I don’t have any opinion one way or the other on a new coach. There is so much that happens off the court that it’s hard to say. My knee jerk reaction is that it has to come from outside the Country Club.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Dec 3, 2008 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

You know, there's another team

from another cold, out-of-the-way (by NBA standards anyway) city whose experience could be instructive for the Wolves: Toronto. Today might not be the best time to bring them up since they lost to the Nuggets last night by 40. But I think the evolution of that franchise offers some hope to the Wolves. Here’s a team that lost some real stars a few years ago (McGrady to free agency, Carter to a horrible trade…pulled off when Rob Babcock was gm). Players didn’t want to go there, they’d had several consecutive losing seasons, etc etc. People were depressed because it looked like the owner was the problem – the team is owned by Maple Leaf Sports, which, as you might guess, is far more interested in hockey than basketball, and kept making dumb decisions.

Then they made a couple of very good moves: they got lucky in the draft with Bosh, and they fired Babcock (now on the Wolves’ payroll) and hired Bryan Colangelo. Pretty soon they were back in the playoffs. Colangelo’s condition for joining the team was that the owners stay the hell out of his way, and so far they’ve pretty much done so. I’m not saying that everything’s perfect there: Bargnani may turn out to be a bust (though he’s played very well in spurts this year), last year they regressed somewhat, they may lose Bosh, etc etc. But the situation is so much rosier than it was just a few years ago. People want to go there because they want to play with Bosh and they want to play under Colangelo: Jermaine O’Neal was ecstatic when he was traded there, they were able to resign Calderón last summer, etc etc. None of this would have been thinkable only a few years ago. (Note to S/P: Mitchell is on the hotseat there, and one of the names being badied about is Ettore Messina…)

I guess what I’m saying is this: Taylor seems like he’s not the best owner possible, and frankly (given the whole post-KG fallout) like he has very little class. But if the right GM comes along, and Taylor gives him the reins and gets out of the way, things could turn around quite quickly for this team. I know it’s a longshot, but hey, it happened somewhere else.

by plinytheelder on Dec 3, 2008 1:57 PM CST reply actions  

True...

…and I like the outside-the-box thinking with an offensively minded Euro coach. There is definitely something to be said about a good GM being in charge of a team.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Dec 3, 2008 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I think...

twas once a time where the Wolves sort of DID have this kind of blueprint going. As with the Raptors and Bosh, the Wolves got a little lucky to land Garnett in the draft, and then nabbed Marbury the next year (remember kids, Marbury was once an unguardable blend of speed and strength, a la Derrick Rose; he was even kind of likeable, to boot, for about 2 years). With those two guys, they had a team predicated on tremendous speed and skill, they had a fairly innovative coach in Saunders, and I maintain McHale, before he lost his fastball in the 1999 draft, was once a fairly good GM.

I think about this sometimes. As McHale’s aged, he’s gotten more curmudgeonly in his view of the game, preferring the “smashmouth”/back-in-my-day approach. Yet early in his tenure he really built a unique team, especially considering the league back then was much more physical and slower paced than it is today. It’s almost like the Wolves of 2008 were built for 1996, and vice versa. Oh well.

by jianfu on Dec 3, 2008 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

this is interesting...

…I’ve only been in MN a few years and tend to view McHale as just having made one bad decision after another, with the exception of the “ultimate trade,” as Blakeley put it. Thanks for the insight.

Interesting about Marbury too, I remember Tony Parker once saying he was harder to guard than Kidd (“that outside shot, it is always going in”), people took him to task for it but he stuck by his words.

by plinytheelder on Dec 3, 2008 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Good point..

….about the early days. Starbury + Garnett was beyond exciting in the first 2 years. Even going into that 99 draft, this club was on the level of Portland-esque excitement. It was going in all the right directions….even for a little while after Starbury. Too bad he turned out to be crazy.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Dec 3, 2008 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

This isn't very imaginative, but what about...

Jeff Van Gundy for coach.* I’ve always admired him, and I think he’s known for having a system and getting his players to play hard. Both would be dramatic improvements from our current situation. Honestly, I think he’s the best unemployed candidate, though I was a huge Carlisle supporter before Cuban snatched him up. I’m not interested in bringing Flip back – I like him, but for my tastes, it would be too much of a follow-on to trying to recreate that ‘04 team. And I’m not sure that another cheap assistant coach is the way to go, unless they could find a really charismatic leader to whom players would respond. Right now the inmates are ruling the asylum, and we need someone with credibility (not just experience, but real credibility) and solid coaching skills. There aren’t many of those guys waiting at the unemployment office.

*Caveat: I agree with the prevailing idea that we need more than just a coaching change. Because I’m at a loss for who Taylor should go after as a GM, I’m thinking only about what I know – coaches.

by Shogun on Dec 3, 2008 2:03 PM CST reply actions  

Speaking of 4 win teams and coaches..

…check out what is happening in Memphis:

It seemed like a simple enough question: Are the Grizzlies a well-coached team?

"I think, um … " said Rudy Gay.

He considered his words.

"I think, um … " Gay said again.

A stumper, it must have been.

“For us to really be good, we have to buy into it,” Gay, the team’s star forward, said, finally.

OK, then. Are y’all buying into it?

“I think when we came in this year we bought into it,” he said. “Sometimes we’ve run into teams who exploit what we’re doing.”

Which is not exactly a ringing endorsement of head coach Marc Iavaroni, is it?

Not exactly words to calm the waters roiled by six straight losses, including a horrifying one to the Oklahoma City Thunder Saturday night.

That one caused the half or dozen or so remaining Grizzlies fans to call for Iavaroni’s head.

“Fire the coach!” they cried.

It’s a good read for Wolves fans. The Grizz are in a similar place.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Dec 3, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Stockholm Syndrome...

What’s sort of funny about the Love-Mayo debate is it could turn out neither player is/was a great fit for the Wolves. Mayo’s scoring a ton of points, and he’d be an upgrade at what they run out there in the backcourt, but he’s not a slasher and he’s not a second ballhandler (both of which they desperately need), and his perimeter D hasn’t exactly stood out yet. Offensively, he’s pretty much all about jump shots and transition buckets. A rough comparable right now I have for him is Gilbert Arenas. Although when healthy, Gilbert drew a ton more fouls than OJ has so far. And he has better A/TO numbers. But to be fair to Mayo, both those areas are ones that can be improved with experience.

Love is and probably will never be as prolific a scorer, but his strengths elsewhere negate a lot of that. Statistically speaking—looking at metrics like PER, Ortg, Drtg, Win Score, etc—this is a lot closer than I suspect a lot of people think. And Love went through a horrible shooting slump, to boot, so he should get better as we go along. Even despite his slump and, probably, not being used optimally, he’s still pretty much doing an Al Horford imitation right now. Not too shabby at all.

But, like Mayo, Love isn’t the greatest compliment for what they had. I liked him as a draft target, and while I waffled for a while about the alchemy of a Jefferson-Love frontcourt before deciding to get on board (mainly because I felt they’d make up for their defense by causing havoc on the offensive end), it tuns out it could be the opposite. That is, their defense hasn’t been that atrocious (I think they could probably effectively guard against 15 frontcourts in the league….and yes, 15 is an homage to George Karl’s post Iverson comment), offensively, it’s painfully obvious they both are most comfortable working from same point of the floor. That’s an issue. When they’re both out there together, this has been cirumvented by giving Al the alpha dog treatment: he gets to establish position in the mid post, and Love sets high screens and comes down for weakside boards. But that seems like a bit of a waste of such a high lotto pick. Who knows?

by jianfu on Dec 3, 2008 2:06 PM CST reply actions  

The one pick....

….that looks good now in terms of what the Wolves need is Brook Lopez:

http://www.knickerblogger.net/stats/2009/Nets.htm

Looking back at last year’s loss to the Bobcats, had the Wolves pulled that out in overtime, they would have simply had the 5th pick and it would have been a debate between Gallinari, Love, and Lopez and we’d be sitting here with Toine, Marko, Buckner, and one of those guys. It’s funny how things work at the bottom of the NBA.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Dec 3, 2008 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

You Underestimate...

the intimidation factor Jim Pete sitting courtside every game would have on Lopez.

by jianfu on Dec 3, 2008 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

:)

Beware the Ivory Tower.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Dec 3, 2008 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Interesting,

as I’ve sort of thought the opposite – I think they’ve looked alright together on offence, at least when Love sets up in the high post – in my view he’s had some of the nicest entry passes to Jefferson all year. It’s on D where I think they have problems. Not against frontcourts – I agree with you, I think they basically do fine guarding bigs, or at least have so far. Where they’re deficient is against slashing perimeter players. I still can’t believe all the 3-pt plays Charlotte had – god it must have been some kind of record. The one that stands out in my mind (I referred to it in the game thread I think) was the one where Raymond Felton scored a right-handed layup from the left side…right over Love. I know Felton’s good and all, but the whole thing seems symptomatic of a larger problem: when those 2 are in the game, the eyes of slashers on opposing teams light up.

Ironically the only guy we have who’s somewhat of a force in there is Collins; this is why I like him starting, setting the tone a bit, despite his other deficiencies.

By the way…it strikes me as an extremely bad omen that the first game without Brewer was potentially the worst game of the year. I bet losing him affected the whole rhythm of the team more than we realize. I think it shows how much he brings to the table, even with his weaknesses.

by plinytheelder on Dec 3, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I think I agree...

I think Jefferson could stand to at least put a little more effort into rotating against penetration (Love at least is game for this, even if he ain’t exactly Tyson Chandler out there).

Of course, upgrading some of the matadors out on the perimeter could help with this, as well. Who knows?

by jianfu on Dec 3, 2008 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Two other guys who might fit in well...

are Eric Gordon and Russ Westbrook. Gordon has been dynamite since getting moved into the starting lineup and has looked really good in several games I’ve watched on tv. He plays like a vet, is a great three point shooter, and penetrates and draws contact and fouls better than any player in Wolves history. Most of you a familiar with Westbrook because of the trail of dead Timberwolves he’s left in his wake this year, but he also has the kind of quickness, penetration, and perhaps most importantly, defensive skills that we currently lack in our backcourt. I’m starting to think that in ten years, many of us will be wishing that we would’ve taken any of Mayo, Gordon, or Westbrook instead of Love. All three of those guys look like they’re going to become above average NBA starters (and in Mayo’s case, perhaps an all-star).

by Shogun on Dec 3, 2008 2:16 PM CST reply actions  

And with Gordon, we surely could’ve recouped the pick owed to the Clips. Not sure how he and Foye would mesh, but it’d probably be as good as Love-Jefferson are.

Westbrook was a huge gamble, I thought—though it looks to be paying off. There just wasn’t much of a college career to look back on, considering that he was UCLA’s third or fourth option, last year. Props to OKC for their scouting and vision, because they might’ve landed themselves a good player who complements Durant very nicely in the backcourt.

by Andy G on Dec 3, 2008 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll be the first to admit....

…that I didn’t know Westbrook had this much talent, but that’s what our scouts are for, right? Our talent evaluation has obviously stunk. Another big fish that got away (and one whom no one talks about) is Monta Ellis. I remember reading in the Strib after his workout, which I believe was with McCants and Jarrett Jack, that Ellis had given the best workout of the three players despite being fresh from high school. Still, we picked McCants and failed to move up in the second round to draft Monta even though we had seen enough of him that we should have known he’d be something special. People complain about not getting Granger, but Ellis is (was) at least as big of a blunder. I assume this is McHale’s fault too, but I’m not 100% sure. The bottom line isn’t to keep dwelling on “what ifs”, but to point out another way in which there is a huge systematic problem with the Wolves. Sigh.

by Shogun on Dec 3, 2008 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Westbrook

Westbrook is actually the subject today over at Wages of Wins (although Berri isn’t nearly as impressed with him).

He’s looked good against the Wolves, though…

by jianfu on Dec 3, 2008 3:45 PM CST reply actions  

Interesting...

…but neither I nor no one in MN who has said anything positive has said Westbrook is or will be as good as Rose. Chances are, he probably won’t. But that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have the tools to be an outstanding NBA player, and potentially as good as or better than anyone who was available at #3, including Mayo. I’m not saying he’ll be as good or better than Mayo, either, just that he has the look of a star in the making, just like Mayo and Rose do. It doesn’t really matter how well Westbrook shoots; he truly excels in other aspects of the game, kind of like Kevin Love was/is supposed to do. One of the disappointing things about Love is not only how physically overmatched he looks, but also how all the intangibles that were rammed down our throats haven’t materialized so far: the outlet passes have been intercepted, the outside jumper hasn’t fallen, and the interior defense hasn’t been adequate. On the other hand, Westbrook has more than lived up to his billing as a great athlete and excellent defender, and I would add that he has looked much better as a distributor than I (or most people) thought he would be. I’m not really trying to pick a fight here. I’m just saying that a comparison to Rose isn’t an appropriate “test” of the hypothesis that Westbrook isn’t having a very good rookie season OR of the hypothesis that he might have been a better pick than Love.

by Shogun on Dec 3, 2008 4:01 PM CST reply actions  

Wallace....

…is definitely a name that has popped up here a lot. One of the most frustrating things about the Wolves is that they frequently have the general idea right but get the execution wrong. KG needs to be surrounded by 2 scorers and Spree and Sam simply weren’t as good as Pierce and Ray-Ray. They need an athletic 3 to place along side of Jefferson, and Brewer simply isn’t a good enough offensive player to be this guy (yet). You get the picture. Guys like Wallace or Travis Outlaw or Thad Young or Josh Smith would be perfect fits at the 3 for this team. Ultimately, they’ll need a lead guard and an athletic 4/5 to split time with Love and Jefferson in the front court, but…well, it was too bad that Brewer went down. He was starting to show some nice signs of getting it this year.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Dec 3, 2008 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes...

I think you’re right. Let’s hope we can bring in some thoroughbreds in next year’s draft.

by Shogun on Dec 3, 2008 4:58 PM CST reply actions  

Showcasing

What’s the exact opposite of showcasing? Because I think we all witnessed it Monday night. Was McHale’s conversation with MJ about McCants and Craig Smith significantly more awkward after the game then it was before the game? The most accurate comparison would probably be a daughter coming back home from school to tell her parents about her amazing new boyfriend, and then having you and your parents see said amazing boyfriend on NBC’s “How to Catch a Predator” later in the evening.

by Blakeley on Dec 3, 2008 5:15 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah....

….I think the Charlotte talks are over and done with :) Well put. Miller and Big Al are the only players on this team that you can attach fluff to.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Dec 3, 2008 5:21 PM CST up reply actions  

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