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(Actual footage of the Wolves/Grizz deal)

Just in from ESPN radio.  They just pulled off a deal according to the update; getting rid of Jaric, Toine, and Buckner's deals while picking up Mike Miller and Love along with Collins and Cardinal.

UPDATE: Britt has the rundown:

11:43: Okay, Mayo is being traded to Memphis for Kevin Love! In addition the Grizz are almost totally clearing the useless contracts on the Wolves, taking Marko Jaric, Antoine Walker and Greg Buckner. In addition to Love, the Wolves are getting Mike Miller, Brian Cardinal and Jason Collins. ESPN is reporting it, we don't have confirmation yet, but that's got to be the reason we haven't seen McHale.

Wow.  That's highway f'ing robbery.  That's worse than the Lakers deal.  They just cleaned out the Wolves' entire stash of bad contracts with an expiring deal (Collins) and a 1/4 way serviceable bench player in Cardinal.  Miller pushes this thing way over the top.  That's an amazing deal for the Wolves.  I went from hating this draft (thanks to the insane Chalmers trade) to being a big fan. 

I would like to know how it all went down.  Hoiberg seemed pretty sure that Mayo was the guy earlier in the evening.  I get the fact that people try to hide their hand, but...well, Sid's got some good quotes in an article entitled Wolves wanted Mayo all along (highlights are mine):

The media got fooled into thinking the Timberwolves rated Southern California guard O.J. Mayo and UCLA center Kevin Love even in ability, and that it was going to be tough to pick between them with the third overall choice in Thursday's NBA draft.

Well, there never was any doubt. Wolves assistant general manager Fred Hoiberg verified Thursday night that Mayo was their choice all along.

Hoiberg said the Wolves never came close to making a trade. The truth of the matter is they think so much of Mayo that they wanted him on the team.

"Our people thought that Mayo had far more upside than Love," Wolves owner Glen Taylor said. "And very important was the fact that Fred played for Tim Floyd at Iowa State, and we knew Floyd [who coached Mayo at Southern California] was going to give an honest scouting report on Mayo."

OK, as much as I'm on board with this pick, I'd be interested to see if everyone was on the same page here.  This doesn't sound like everybody was briefed on the mission; most of all Papa Glen. 

Sid continues to say that Mayo was viewed by some scouts as being superior to Derrick Rose.  Of course, Grandpa Sports had that take yesterday don'chya know? Tomorrow?  He'll be all about Mr. Love. 

The weird thing here is that even real journalists like Jerry Zgoda were being told that Mayo was staying:

Mayo said he will visit Minnesota for the first time today, when the Wolves introduce him at a news conference. He played with Brewer at the Nike Jamboree when he was in seventh grade and once watched Jefferson play in high school.

Earlier in the evening I joked in the live chat that maybe Hoiberg had tried to force McHale's hand by announcing that Mayo would be staying as the pick.  I'd really like to know if this is the case.  Did Hoiberg get ahead of himself?  Did McHale override everybody after everything was supposedly said and done?  What happened here?  I like the results, but something really doesn't add up.

UPDATE II: OK, I  removed the question mark from the title as this thing has been reported in several media outlets.  I also updated the picture at the top of the post.  Here's the update from the Strib:

The Minnesota Timberwolves have traded No. 3 pick O.J. Mayo to the Memphis Grizzlies for Kevin Love in an eight-player, late-night blockbuster long after the NBA draft concluded.

A person with knowledge of the deal confirmed it to The Associated Press, speaking on the condition on anonymity because the trade had yet to be officially announced.

The Timberwolves also received shooter Mike Miller and frontcourt retreads Brian Cardinal and Jason Collins from Memphis in exchange for the draft rights to Mayo, forward Antoine Walker and guards Marko Jaric and Greg Buckner.

I can't believe they got rid of Marko's deal.  That's almost worth it by itself.  In the interest of poking a stick in the eye of Jim Souhan, here's his masterful take on the selection of Mayo:

The Wolves did the right thing, taking O.J. Mayo instead of Kevin Love, or any other distant Beach Boy relative.

That Mayo is better than Love is easily quantifiable. Mayo and Love both played one year of college basketball in L.A., and Mayo made a lot more money.

If you're drafting a college player to help your NBA team, you want the kid who has raised eyebrows at the IRS, not the one who is assumed to have played for cafeteria cheeseburgers and NCAA-sanctioned sneakers.

I know it's hard to believe, but it actually gets worse.  You know, for the first time in a long time I'm sympathetic for to the Wolves' FO for having to deal with clowns like Souhan and Hartman.  I can't wait to read Souhan's next column about how the Wolves made a mistake by taking a guy who was paid for in cheeseburgers.  I think that may be the worst Wolves column I have ever read.

Oh well, as for the trade itself, this one is sure to cause quite a few heads to explode.  I'm super hyped about it.  The Wolves got rid of their worst contract, Toine, a bad contract in Buckner, and Mayo for the best big available, a solid NBA starting 3 who will stretch the hell out of sagging defenses, an expiring contract on a center, and they shaved one year off of Marko's bad deal by taking a guy they could probably buy out.  Meanwhile, they took the best Euro big in the draft and stashed him away until Collins' money comes off the books when they can bring him over.  This is a brilliant f'ing draft.  More tomorrow.

UPDATE III:  Rubechat is going batshit right now.  "Who is everybody's new team?  I'm a Rockets fan now" is my favorite thread.  Although, the "*** the Wolves for good!!! Forever!!!!!" is making a push for co-leader.  Folks, it will be all right.  Hale-Bopp isn't coming for you and there's no reason to drink any kool aid.  KFAN's very own Doogie has his own thread against the trade here. There's even some sort of grass roots petition to write the Wolves FO to tell them how upset everyone is that they didn't take Mayo.

UPDATE IV: Andy G over at Britt's place has the best and most thorough anti-trade take

1) I don't care about Mike Miller. Nobody considers us a playoff team (let alone contender) right now, so getting a couple years out of a quality vet that will take Brewer's minutes doesn't interest me as a fan. Plus, Memphis sucked with Miller last year, and we always bitch about Rudy Gay over Randy Foye. Well...if Gay is so great, I'm not sure who he's playing with to match our win total of 22.

2) Love plays Jefferson's position. Last year, we found out the hard way that this position is not center. Love should now back up Jefferson, and we need to sign a center and be happy with depth at the 4.

3) We passed on DeAndre Jordan at 34. This is the most upsetting part of the entire draft, as he has Dwight Howard-potential. Maybe he'll never reach it; maybe he'll reach some of it; maybe he'll reach all of it. There was no risk at 34, and instead, we let the Clips take that tiny gamble with a Powerball payout. That pisses me off more than anything.

4) I hope the dealing isn't done, and I hope they use that frickin money they got for Chalmers and sign Pekovic over here NOW. We still don't have a center, and I'd at least be happy if we got this guy soon. He got rave reviews, and it's the lone bright spot on an otherwise colossal disaster of a night. All season long, people complained on this site about Jefferson playing center, and I was quiet about it--figuring that it didn't matter because McHale surely realized the problem and would address it in the off-season. If Pekovic isn't over here, we have exactly 0 additional centers on the roster.

5) I actually like Love, like most people, but it's a fit-thing here. We traded Kevin F*cking Garnett and decided to rebuild around a different power forward. With the highest pick we'll ever have in this process, we ended up using it to get another power forward. Love + Jefferson is too small, and too unathletic to guard Pau Gasol, Tim Duncan, Tyson Chandler, Greg Oden, Shaquille O'Neal, Dwight Howard...I'll stop before I barf.

6) Let's hope Pekovic saves this draft. He sounds like a stud.

That seems to be the most accurate representation of the most common anti-trade take. While I'm glad the team didn't take a 7 foot Gerald Green at 34, I completely agree with Andy G's take on it being a dumb decision to pass on that pick with some of the talent that was on the board.  Oh well...until later.

UPDATE V: Check out 3 Shades of Blue's take here. The Commercial Appeal has more here.  Chris Herrington has more Grizz takes here.

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Holy Crap!

I didn’t think they had it in them. Amazing! Mayo, and pretty much all our bad contracts, and they pick up Love AND Mike Miller?

I’m still pissed about Chalmers (how great would that be now?) but that’s small potatoes at this point!

Unbelievable. I went from thinking this team wasn’t even trying to being knocked off my chair.

by jianfu on Jun 26, 2008 11:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, very weird...

Maybe it will all be revealed in the “post draft” play, to be posted soon here at canishoopus… Et tu, Kevin?

If someone had thrown that trade out there before the draft-saying the Wolves trade down to 5, get rid of all their terrible contracts, and pick up real live player in MIke Miller AND some quasi-useful parts for their trouble-they’d have been laughed off the board, right?

Already I see this will be controversial, as many think Mayo’s going to be a star. But I just don’t see it. Good player? Maybe. But as of right now, he seems a lot closer to Raja Bell than Kobe Bryant.

And while I might never forgive them, maybe it’s good for my police record they didn’t keep Chalmers. A Love, Chalmers, Pekovic draft? Are you kidding me? Let’s just say there might have been an indecent exposure/spontaneous parade of One down my block.

by jianfu on Jun 27, 2008 12:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This is an amazing deal...

I don’t think people will appreciate just how big of a deal it is to get rid of Marko’s deal along with Buckner’s and Toine’s. You’re right about that Chalmers pick. That would have completely pushed this draft over the edge into A++ territory.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 27, 2008 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Miller

Don’t you think you’re being a bit too hyped about Mike Miller? I mean, I’m not exactly sure what I think – but my initial reaction is to think: great – a spot-up shooter who has to be hidden on defense. Then again, my other initial reaction is: great – this guy will spread defenses and give Al (and now Love) room to work; he’ll give Bassy/Foye someone to pass to as well.

It’s just tough for me to see how they’re going to defend – a lineup of Foye/Miller/X/Love/Davis won’t exactly disrupt a lot of offenses. Then again throwing Brewer in there will improve things substantially.

by plinytheelder on Jun 27, 2008 12:51 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I view this year...

...as them setting the base for the future big push. At the beginning of the year, I had a post about what would make a successful season. Getting a high draft spot and clearing salary were the top 2. They got rid of the riff-raff and the bad deals will all be cleared within 2 years. They got a solid vet who could play the position and function they needed the most: a perimeter proficient player who can stretch the d. They got the best big in the draft. They got the best big Euro in the draft. They also kept their draft assets for next season. They have one more big draft year and then they clear a ton of money and play free agency and bring over players like Pekovic. It doesn’t all have to happen at once and there may be a tough year to go, but they have completely remade this team and gotten rid of (or placed themselves in position to remove) the dead weight. Next year was never going to be good in the first place.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 27, 2008 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I’d agree with that, maybe I’m setting my sights too high. One thing you can say about Miller: he can really play the game, as you say. He has some limitations but is aware of them, doesn’t try to do too much; is a good passer (a smart passer), serviceable (whatever that means) defender. Clutch too. For these reasons, to make a favorable comparison, he’s better than Wally was or ever will be.

Plus the deal will certainly make all the local South Dakotans happy.

On the downside, Miller has a son named “Maverick.” Reason enough to begin booing him right now.

by plinytheelder on Jun 27, 2008 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Souhan

Oh almost forgot – thanks so much for writing this:

“I think that may be the worst Wolves column I have ever read.”

Fantastic line, I’m still laughing.

by plinytheelder on Jun 27, 2008 12:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks...

...I can’t wait to see how he addresses the situation in his next column.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 27, 2008 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am a casual

I am a casual Wolves fan (super casual in the last few years)
but I am pumped about getting Kevin Love!

by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Jun 27, 2008 12:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

me too

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 27, 2008 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

btw

been following here all night. great stuff from everyone

by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Jun 27, 2008 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

btw

I love your user name. I have to start my day, but waking up to the news was strange.

Processed thoughts later…

by wyn on Jun 27, 2008 6:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pekovic

I’ve read a bit lately about how Europeans are becoming less and less taken with the idea of playing in the NBA. Bryan Colangelo (Raptors GM) recently said the European teams are beginning to put up a bit of a fight. Not hard to see why the players are staying put: initial fascination from afar with NBA has worn off somewhat; money discrepancy now much smaller with weak dollar (and still getting smaller every day); vastly different playing styles (Pekovic has said he “doesn’t like the NBA”); plus, there’s the “dolce vita” aspect: in this case, the guy can be the man with Panathinaikos, a perennial champion, and live on the Mediterranean in one of the great cities of the world (no offense to Mpls, but it’s a question of perspective). Maybe at some point the “want to play against the best” mindset will kick in, but I don’t think we’re going to see this guy anytime soon.

by plinytheelder on Jun 27, 2008 1:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It worries me...

...between the sagging dollar and the guy probably not wanting to play in Minny, you’d think that the Wolves would have worked something out before grabbing the guy. Here’s hoping they did.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 27, 2008 7:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the props...

I think I’ll get less upset with the trade as time passes (unless Mayo becomes a 10-time All-Star and Love becomes Sean May or something) but I don’t like the Love-Jefferson idea in the front-court. I think on pure talent-level alone, and the obvious size upgrade from Gomes-Jefferson, we’ll see improvement, and supporters of the trade will feel validated. However, I’m thinking more long-term than that—perhaps 3 to 4 years down the road, when we should be a legit playoff team. At that time, I’ll think we’ll wish we had OJ Mayo (and possibly DeAndre Jordan) more than Kevin Love, the 2 2nd-rounders that we probably won’t use, and the cash we got in the Chalmers deal.

Like I said in that post on Britt’s page, the most upsetting thing to me was the usage of 34. DeAndre Jordan was there, and I was fully expecting they’d take him with nothing to lose. Also, Bill Walker was on the board. Another freak athlete with long-term upside (btw, imagine what the Celtic influence will do for that guy). Anyway, we took Chalmers, which I found confusing, since we’re logjammed at guard after the Mayo pick. However, Chalmers was a steal at 34. Then we trade both Mayo and Chalmers. WTF? I don’t get any of it. Hell, if they just kept Chalmers, at least we could have Chalmers-Foye as our backcourt. I gotta stop thinking about that 34 pick or I’ll never get to sleep.

by Andy G on Jun 27, 2008 1:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That 34 pick...

...will never, ever make sense. Watch, Chalmers will start for Miami by the end of the year. Even though I absolutely can’t stand the idea of having a 7 foot Gerald Green on the team, it was worth a flier at 34. The only thing I can think of is that Memphis is going to roll OJ Mayo to Miami and this was part of the 3 way deal.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 27, 2008 7:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hoiberg

Maybe the Wolves really were planning to keep Mayo. The Memphis Commercial Appeal (S&P link in Update V) says that “Memphis called Minnesota and proposed the deal after the Grizzlies acquired Arthur [in a trade after the 28th pick].” What time did Hoiberg say that they were planning to keep Mayo?

by I.M. Fletcher on Jun 27, 2008 1:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Britt posted the Hoiberg comments...

...while the first round was still going on.

by I.M. Fletcher on Jun 27, 2008 1:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He has a bit of a timeline over there right now...

...he’s got good stuff as always. He was on top of that last night.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 27, 2008 7:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

from Chris Mannix at SI.com

“What is at the root of McHale’s fascination with Love? Yes, Love is a skilled big man who will probably have a serviceable NBA career. But Love doesn’t have anywhere near the upside of Mayo, a potential franchise guard. With Mayo and Al Jefferson as cornerstones, the Wolves were going somewhere. Now, Minnesota will have to build around a talented but undersized frontcourt (Love, Al Jefferson) without a marquee guard. Minnesota was able to get Miller, one of the NBA’s best shooters, and rid themselves of Jaric’s hefty contract (three years, $21 million remaining), but they will live to regret not keeping Mayo.”

If Mayo does indeed become a great player this guy could be right – after all every championship contender seems to need at least 2 stars.

by plinytheelder on Jun 27, 2008 3:22 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not too worried about Mayo...

...becoming a great player. But that’s just me. The guy is a souped up Randy Foye. He’ll be a nice guard, but I think that Love is getting WAY overlooked here. He’s an Al Horford type of player. Did the squad want another Randy Foye type of player or an Al Horford type of player? Both guys are long shots at franchise type players, but with the bust rate being what it is, and with a Randy Foye type player already on the team, the Wolves got the guy that will a) be a solid pro, b) can play in the frontcourt, and c) will likely be just as good if not better than Mayo throughout his career.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 27, 2008 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

I don’t know where this idea that Mayo is a franchise-type talent came from, honestly. I think the chances of that happening are much slimmer than is being presumed by a lot of people. After the lottery everyone assumed the Wolves would basically be drawing straws at #3; now Mayo’s the third potential star of the draft? Who did the Trojans play since then?

Mayo might be a decent player, but he’s an off guard with underwhelming size and athleticism who couldn’t score inside or draw fouls in the Pac 10, is a turnover machine, and a poor distributor. His defense and shooting will probably be there, but you need a lot more than that to be a mini Kobe.

Meanwhile, Love seems to be underrated. We’re talking about an uber-efficient 19-year-old big man who flat out dominated in almost every important category.

Now, I do share some of the “fit” concerns. Offensively, I think Jefferson and Love will work very, very well. Defensively, I do have concerns. But at this point, with the Wolves starving for players up front, I don’t see how you don’t take him and address questions later. Both are bulls strenghtwise, and I think I’m not as concerned with them playing the opposing bigs as I am about their ability to provide help, or handle penetration. Shoring up the perimeter D will probably now be a priority (not that it hasn’t been for, oh, 20 years or so).

And of course, Chalmers would have helped in that regard…

Anyway, certainly it’s controversial right now. But I think as things play out and the signal-to-noise ratio dies down a bit, this will come out in the Wolves favor. I believe Love will be the better player. And they dumped all their garbage, for crying out loud, including the depressing-to-even-look-at Marko Jaric. Unbelievable. I got to hand it to McHale, he got rid of some players-Blount, Jaric-way before I thought they had any chance of being moved.

As for Miller, no, he’s not ideal, and yes, if his son is named Maverick, then maybe that’s boo-worthy. But he’s another knockdown shooter, and he instantly becomes the best potential tradeable player on the team. They actually got a guy teams will want for reasons other than cap-matching filler. Whether they want to keep him the full next 2 years is unknown, but in the meantime, he’s more than fine.

by jianfu on Jun 27, 2008 8:16 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

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