Clueless

Call me clueless. Honestly, I won't be offended. When it comes to some of the recent NBA free agent signings and rumors, I am scratching my head, furiously.
Here's what I'm talking about:
1) Ryan Gomes...a 5 year contract? I saw this small ticker blurb while watching Twins Live last night, and from a NBA.com headline, but not much more. I like the signing, and Gomes, but 5 years for a tweener who is the down the pecking order a bit seems a little long to me. I imagined with the disastrous Jaric--and frankly Mark Madsen--long term deals, the club had learned it's lesson about role player contract rewards. I hope there's some team options in the deal, in the 4th or 5th year, if this information is at all accurate.
2) Ricky Davis....to the Clippers? They had done pretty well in surviving the Elton Brand defection with the Marcus Canby steal, but now have ruined any chance of making an impact by adding the boneheaded, braided Davis to their roster. Tim Thomas and Davis on the same club...can that team--if not the league--survive? How does Mike Dunleavy get along with that front office group?
3) Kwame Brown...to the Pistons? Okay, after dumping Flip somewhere on a Lake Minnetonka shore, Joe Dumars tells anyone who is listening that everyone on his team is available, there are no sacred cows. A lot of noise about Carmelo Anthony and Tracy McGrady ensues, but after bringing Michael Curry on to lead this bunch, the best he can do to date is add this stiff? At least find someone Rasheed Wallace can respect to keep the Tar Heel in line, especially around playoff time. Otherwise, it's another Eastern Conference playoff exit.
4) Finally, there's been a lot of bulletin board/Real GM scuttlebutt about a three way trade, with the Wolves getting Brandan Wright, and us giving up McCants and potentially a number one pick. I'm not a big McCants fan, but even though we have a stockpile--incredibly--of number one's, why would we need another skinny, developing big man? Finding a deal to get rid of Calvin Booth and acquiring a decent combo guard seem to be better uses for excess first round picks. I think Wright has some talent, but how and where would he fit in, especially with Love, Smith, Richard and Gomes in the fold? I truly hope that's board fodder. Then again, maybe we'll hear more at the Gomes/Wolves press conference today.
But like I said, if someone's got an explanation, or real information, I'm all ears.
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First of all, LoL at the picture, good one. Though I still think the brunette looks pretty nice, even with that idiot hat .. that aside :p (I’m a sucker for brunettes with brown eyes and non-curled hair)
1.) I also felt like some weird things in my stumach when I read the 5 year thing. I thought we were done doing this?
As I said, I didn’t mind overpaying him for 2-3 years .. but 5? How can they be sure we’ll need him for that long? Free agency is coming next year?
2.) For some reason team’s just can’t see he’s a bad player putting up good numbers on a bad team (and not playing any D). But he’s in the West again so the better for us…
So again, big agree on this.
3.) Don’t agree this much on this. It all depends on how much they paid him but even though he’s a huge bust he could still play a little back-up? Why not? You could do worse than him for a big man (Blount comes to mind).
4.) Wright? LoL. Best one I’ve heard so far. If I want to believe the FO is doing the right thing (we’ll give em a closed eye (or what’s the expression in English) for the long years on Gomes) so I won’t believe this one.
There has got to be someone else that fits better.
by Wim (Belgium) on Jul 29, 2008 7:52 AM CDT 0 recs
I don't...
...get the Wright deal either. There’s already too many people on board. If anything, they need to trim things up a bit and move Cardinal’s salary. I could see the Wright deal working if they were able to get rid of Foye or McCants + a draft pick + Cardinal’s deal first. They would also have to get Bellineli in the deal. The Warriors are dangerously close to the lux mark so I’m sure the Wolves could offer up their TPE in part of a deal and the Warriors would be more apt to take the deal.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 29, 2008 8:08 AM CDT 0 recs
YESSSS!!!!!!
Way to resign Gomes!
I was hoping for a 10 year contract, but 5 will have to do!
by College Wolf on Jul 29, 2008 8:51 AM CDT 0 recs
I haven't...
...been able to find the financial details of the deal, but it’s 4 years guaranteed with a 5th year player option. That’s kind of long. I guess they wanted him to match up with Big Al, but I’ll have to withold judgement on this one until I see the numbers. If it’s between $3-5, I don’t have that big of a problem with it. But still…5 years is a long time.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 29, 2008 9:14 AM CDT 0 recs
Like, oh my god Peter, whatever...
Actually, I don’t think you’re wrong. I just disagree.
On Gomes, yes his contract is the same length as Madsen’s was and it will almost certainly be for more (Mad Dog got $10 million over 5 years). And yes, they’re both excellent off-court ambassadors for the team. But that’s where any similarity ends. Madsen, on one hand, is a plodding energy guy who can score only on putbacks. Gomes is a lean energy guy that can hit jumpers, threes and play solid perimeter and post defense depending on the size of his assignment. Gomes does nothing exceptionally, but everything well. The same cannot be said for Madsen.
And as I’m typing this, SnP made the point that between $3 and $5 million in the first year isn’t a big deal. No way we gave him more than $5 million per.
by wyn on Jul 29, 2008 9:23 AM CDT 0 recs
Not exactly a great source, but...
http://www.rep-am.com/articles/2008/07/29/sports/doc488e8c810488d398113443.txt
“Terms of Gomes’ contract with the Timberwolves have not yet been released. Word on the street is that the deal is for five years and $21 million. Gomes, we’re told, owns a player option and can declare himself a free agent after the 2009-2010 season, if he wishes.”
Something like this?:
$3,500,000 / $3,850,000 / $4,200,000 / $4,550,000 / $4,900,000 (PO)
by wyn on Jul 29, 2008 9:47 AM CDT 0 recs
Pretty Reasonable money...
... and It is hard to imagine Gomes killing the wolves, but think of how circumstances have changed for the wolves in the last 2 years. 4.5 million will seem like a lot of Gomes has a catastrophic injury in year 1 or 2.
I see Livingston is up to #1 on ESPN’s list of Unrestricted Free Agents. That be a sweet guy to see in the mix. At the very least he’d keep Foye and Telfair on their toes.
How “long” would this line up be?
Livingston
Brewer
Miller
Jefferson
Love
Trade for Brandon Wright and you’d be in contention for the the Long Body Lineup Hall of fame. It is the little things.
by Pants_ on
Jul 29, 2008 10:10 AM CDT
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Those are indeed nice numbers. I’d rather have given him 1-1,5 mil more (per year) and only signed him for 3 years… That’s probably where they started off and it was probably Gomes that wanted a 5 year deal.. probably
by Wim (Belgium) on
Jul 29, 2008 10:20 AM CDT
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Yeah the Davis signing
is the weirdest signing of the summer in my book. As I said yesterday to a friend of mine in LA, the Clippers have just consigned themselves to years of futility. And I forgot they have Tim Thomas too? Baron Davis must be wondering what the hell he just did.
by plinytheelder on Jul 29, 2008 10:46 AM CDT 0 recs
then again...
...Camby will feel right at home, they’re this year’s Denver Nuggets!
by plinytheelder on
Jul 29, 2008 10:47 AM CDT
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If only...
...they could get Starbury.
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by Stop-n-Pop on
Jul 29, 2008 11:32 AM CDT
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Stephon can't afford.....
... to risk his budding Italian league career by playing this season. If he is enough of a jack—- they’ll send him home, and he knows it. That is a quite the phenomenon. You treat your boss and coworkers so badly they have to send you on a paid vacation for a few months.
by Pants_ on
Jul 29, 2008 12:48 PM CDT
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the basketball gods
today the basketball gods registered their disapproval of the avis acquisition with a 5.4 temblor, felt throughout southern california. though there was a lot of noise and rumbling, there wasn’t much actual impact, which is something clips fans will have to get used for the next few years.
by secretarykissinger on
Jul 30, 2008 12:03 AM CDT
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:) Very nice.
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by Stop-n-Pop on
Jul 30, 2008 8:21 AM CDT
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I Like Wright a Lot...
He’s an interesting player, and showed a lot of promise his rookie year. I’m not sure how interested the Wolves are in him (again, they had two shots at him last year: once in the draft, and once in a (reported) offer for KG, and passed both times).
Yeah, he maybe isn’t exactly what the team needs, but if he’s there for McCants and one of the late draft picks, I think he’s good enough to make that deal and sort out the mess later.
If anything, he could play as an enormous SF. Actually, on the Wolves, Wright could almost be a hybrid who could cover all 3 front court postions, depending on the matchup. (I believe he’s taller than Jefferson). That is, when facing the Tyson Chadlers/Andris Biedrins of the world, Wright could get some minutes marking them. At the very least, those pining for an athletic freak approaching the long 7-footish range…Wright’s a pretty good offering for that.
As for Gomes, the 5-year thing is worrisome. But at least the salary might be non-crippling and significantly below MLE range. As a useful-enough contributor who shouldn’t be starting, I was seeing if they’d pass the Trenton Hassell Smell Test on Gomes. They failed on the length, but assuming the dollars are reasonable they should be okay. (Back when the roster was horribly depressing with an endless amount of guys making $7 million per for 4-6 years, Mark Madsen wasn’t the problem.) I don’t think Gomes has much if any upside left, but he’s certainly tradeable if he’s in the $4 million per or less range.
At any rate, well-played by Gomes. He went from KG Trade Filler to (reportedly) $20 million. Not bad.
by jianfu on Jul 29, 2008 4:02 PM CDT 0 recs
Agree with Wyn
That Gomes contract seems very reasonable for what he contributed this past season and it’s not like they suddenly killed their cap space for 2010 and beyond, either.
by snyde043 on Jul 29, 2008 4:04 PM CDT 0 recs
Gomes Contract is GREAT for Wolves
From StarTrib:
“Here’s the deal on the deal: Officially, it’s for five years, although the Wolves have options after the second and third years and Gomes has the option after the fourth year. So the first two years are guaranteed, at $3.5 million next season and $3.8 million in 2009-2010. His salary jumps above $4 million after that if the team exercises its option. If Gomes remains a Timberwolf for all five seasons, the contract will approach $22 million.
“If the Wolves want to clear more cap room for the 2010 free agent class, they could decide not to pick up Gomes’ option that summer and he’d become an unrestricted free agent.”
by kurosawa on Jul 29, 2008 4:44 PM CDT 0 recs
Agreed...
...that turned out pretty damn good after hearing the words “5 year deal” at the beginning.
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by Stop-n-Pop on
Jul 29, 2008 4:52 PM CDT
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Options are the keys...
which make an extended contract worthwhile. In this case both Gomes and the Wolves having options makes good sense and good business. If they signed him to a strict, 5 year, no option deal, I’d be against that, despite him being a decent player and good guy. The fact that they seem to be learning from their previous mistakes is another sign for me that someone else other than McHale must be structuring these contracts, or schooling him in the ways of the CBA.
by Peter W on Jul 29, 2008 4:56 PM CDT 0 recs
Gomes' contract is so good for the Wolves
that I kind of feel bad for him. It’s always the hardworking team players that agree to the modest contracts and the lazy underachievers that demand the long contracts without options and then don’t live up to it.
by roundhouse on Jul 29, 2008 9:31 PM CDT 0 recs
As also said in the other comments, since it turns out this is with options, like the deal a lot, it’s even better to have a 5 year deal with options than only 3 year deal. He probably hasn’t got much upside left (he was only drafted 50th btw) but he might be very attractive in 3 years for a team that has just needs someone to fill a role.
Great deal. If they can get dumb some contracts and get Livingston that way they get an A on their summer report card ^^
by Wim (Belgium) on Jul 30, 2008 4:04 AM CDT 0 recs
That's Why....
... you all shouldn’t have overreacted with criticism before actually finding out the details of the contract.
Great, great signing. I haven’t said that in a long time.
by College Wolf on Jul 30, 2008 8:06 AM CDT 0 recs











