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I DVR'd USA Basketball's game against Australia today, after dumping all my  Battlestar Galactica and John Adams recordings. Damn...what a mistake! ESPN's Chris Sheridan sounds the five alarm bell with his take on today's game won by USA 87-76, without the Aussie's best player in Andrew Bogut, but I'm not getting my undies in a bundle...yet. Still, we've seen this before, despite all the hype from Coach K about the USA team checking their egos at the door. Flashback to 2004, where Larry Brown wanted to send Starbury home (a foreboding vision of his Knicks experience), and dreams of gold were shattered by individual, selfish play in a bronze medal effort.

What are the tell tale signs of trouble, you ask?

1) No ball movement. According to Jason Kidd, the rock in today's game was "sticky", even with three great point guards available in Kidd, Chris Paul and Deron Williams. The biggest offender was Carmelo Anthony, who continues to be one of the more overrated players in basketball today. The international game is more team and pass oriented; while the USA team is by far the most talented and athletic, a unified, well coached team has proven to give them headaches throughout this decade.

2) Poor three point shooting.   Michael Redd and Kobe Bryant were supposed to fix this, but Redd only played a little over eight minutes. For the game, USA shot only 16.7 percent from the three point arc. If no one can hit from outside, teams will pack it down low; given the fact that the Redeem Team is a tad undersized in the front court, that could spell trouble for the club.

3) Trapezodially challenged. We've heard this for years, but USA ballers still can't get over the expanding low block, somewhat like the late Carl Sagan and Stephen Hawking ruminating over our expanding universe. I can only imagine what Al Jefferson would have to do to adjust to one of his jump hooks turning into a mid-range hoist from the baseline.

I did say I wasn't a bundle of concern yet...correct? One break the US gets is they may not even have to play Argentina unless they also advance to the medal rounds. Spain--with the Gasols and some other talented NBA ballers--looks to be the major obstacle in Group B play.  Another advantage is the USA have a bunch of guys who clearly can play defense when they want...IF they want. Since talent isn't the only consideration anymore, it will come down the cohesiveness the team can display, especially in the "one and done" medal rounds (in terms of competing for gold). I expect once they actually get to Beijing, not even the particulate matter in the smog will dampen their enthusiasm for playing in the Olympic rarified air .

It is good they're playing indoors, though. Leave the burning lungs to the outdoor track and field folks.

 

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Yeah I agree on Anthony, I don’t get that guy, seems like the coaching staff loves him because he scores a lot of points, but at what cost? I don’t see why you need him when you have Wade, James and Bryant. I’d rather have Ray Allen, any kind of spot-up shooter (disclaimer: I’m not so big on Redd). Maybe Blake Ahearn is available?

Chris Mannix at SI.com (he of the “harsh words for Love”) picked the U.S. to win bronze behind Argentina and Spain. I don’t know about that…then again, he had the Cs winning the championship all the way, even when they were 2-2 against Atlanta. In any case this figures to be the most interesting tournament (for the U.S. at least) in years…I’ll definitely be watching.

by plinytheelder on Aug 6, 2008 12:52 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh by the way I just read that article you linked to…Mexico dropped 100 on these guys last year? Wow.

by plinytheelder on Aug 6, 2008 2:31 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also been thinking that ‘Melo is one of the more overrated players in the NBA. Not that I don’t like him, he’s just overrated.

For the rest, don’t think you can get too much out of exhibition games. It’s a lot of tactics. Not showing all the cards in your hand, trying something unorthodox just to see what happens, etc…

Good article though ;)

by Wim (Belgium) on Aug 6, 2008 4:59 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A little credit to the opposition please....

I’ll take an 11 point loss with Bogut on the pine. My main concern was in the back court with Mills and Bruton on the short side (6’1” and 5’11” respectively). Mills did very well for a soon-to-be college sophomore.

Australia could do better than the 6th to 8th projected.

by Auswolf on Aug 6, 2008 5:48 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No disrespect meant...

Australia played tough, no doubt. Chris Anstey was very good for them; Mills has a lot of game, if not a lot of size. The Aussies are going to have to share the ball more and have less turnovers if they’re going to complete with Argentina in Group A to get into the medal rounds. It seemed yesterday that every few minutes they were putting an elbow in someone’s chest. Feistiness isn’t going to get it done for them however; a little more execution might. As much as I enjoy their heart, I think it would be a substantial upset if they were to get into the medal rounds.

by Peter W on Aug 6, 2008 6:45 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

None taken...

They are a team of mostly hard nose pros and many have a Euro ball background, hence the feist.

They played well in Europe in the lead up, beat China and pushed Argentina hard in Nanjing a few days ago and had their best player on the bench in the US game. A medal would be astounding, I’ll admit, but Australia always punch above their weight at the Olympics.

by Auswolf on Aug 7, 2008 4:57 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They're scrapy as hell too

Mills will be fun to watch this year in his sophomore year.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 7, 2008 7:44 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dream Team's space out

In their dominant games, they look too much to the circus passing and dunking, and of course, the 3 point shooting. Carmelo Anthony’s game is becoming exactly the game that has led to USA losses in the past (and I really dislike him, every since my probable Division I scholarship basketball nephew decided he wanted to rest a little more on defense so he could light it up offensively like his ball hogging hero from Denver). This looks just like the teams that have lost in the past. As things start going badly, instead of buckling down on defense and being patient on offense (like winning teams do), a player will decide it’s their time to take over the game.
Just like Auswolf said, you need to give credit to the opposition. These teams are pretty good, and they are going to get better. If hard times lead to individual play (and this last game reminds us of that tendancy in all our players), we will be repeatedly challenged and then beaten when it counts.

by midlife crisis on Aug 6, 2008 6:27 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is it wrong to hope they lose?

This isn’t Team USA, this is Team Nike. It’s never been about country or flag waving; rather, making sure the company’s best and brightest faces get more global coverage. I’m sure Nike is overjoyed that one of the biggest subjects among the players is the possibility that a Euro team (more global coverage) could offer someone like Kobe $40-50 mil to leave the NBA.

The 2nd biggest joke (behind the fact that this is a shoe company’s team) is that this year’s team has been put together any differently than teams in the past 8 years. Jerry Colangelo practically goes down on himself in Nike’s series of videos on the team by telling everyone what a wonderful vision he had by developing a 3 year plan that would rid the US of A of guys like Starbury while filling the squad with role players, 3 point shooters, and guys who just wanted to win for their country. (BTW: the funniest part of the video is to watch master motivator Coach K-another Nike trademark“coach”; do you think Colangelo looked at guys with Adidas contracts?) Anywho, Colangelo has done such a wonderful job that Melo is the team’s starting power forward and Howard/Bosh are the centers. 8 of the guys on the team led their teams in scoring and while he did manage to pick the 2 best point guards, he also took one of the worst: the broken down Jason Kidd , who, funny, is signed by Nike.

Look, I get that the Olympics haven’t been about anything but money for a while, but this team takes it to a nauseating extreme with the Nike stuff. I could have swallowed it if there wasn’t all this redemption crap that tries to paint the team’s approach as anything other than it’s always been: overwhelm them with blue chip talent. Is it any wonder why Coach K was chosen to lead this sort of team? Hooray, we’ve Dukified our national team.

I think Spain will beat them. If there is such a thing as karma, Ricky Rubio will get in the game against Kidd, go nuts, get drafted high, and sign with Adidas.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 6, 2008 7:48 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hereby nominate you for the guy with the most against-the-flow-posting-but-still-making-a-point.

Never would have looked at it that way but I guess when you point it out, it does look a bit suspicious. On the other hand, all these guys are all stars and big names. I agree about Carmelo but I’m pretty sure if someone like KG would have said yes Carmelo wouldn’t have been the starter.. or was he never asked?

I’m not sure about Kidd .. the guy is unbeaten in international play. He might be broken down and all that .. but he still is unbeaten. That has to account for something.

by Wim (Belgium) on Aug 6, 2008 9:44 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

KG...

...is signed with Adidas.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 6, 2008 9:48 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

PS: I doubt...

...that’s the reason he didn’t play, and I suspect he may have been asked, but…well, to tell the truth, I don’t know the backstory on that one. Here’s an article about him turning it down:

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2007/11/15/garnett-turns-down-team-usa/

I guess it doesn’t really say one way or another that his Adidas standing has something to do with it.

Kidd got on the squad because guys like Coach Alphabet and Colangelo think that the best players on the planet need to be motivated by a guy who can no longer cut it. Without Kidd’s leadership, Paul and D-Will wouldn’t be able to realize that the US is thin on the inside or that they can’t shoot 3s for s*it. The guy is useless and has been for a few years now.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 6, 2008 9:53 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

instead

of hoping they lose, how about hoping someone else (e.g. someone who plays unselfishly, respects the int’l game, etc.) wins? there’s a lot to like on these “other” squads, if one fights against being blinded by the sheer star power of the US team. of course the television coverage will ignore the rest, or at best turn them into foils in some kind of stupid melodrama.

speaking of melo-drama, the reason he’s on the team is so that if there’s any rough play we’ll have a designated girlie slap-fighter. i predict an international incident.

by secretarykissinger on Aug 6, 2008 1:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

First of all...

...as a former West Bank resident, let me just say that’s a nice picture you have on your profile. I haven’t been back down in the area since it closed, but I’ll miss the Front Porch Swinging Liquor Pigs shows there on Friday nights. They used to play some Tom Waits covers…which, is a pretty sure way of ensuring my fanhood.

I don’t think the US guys play incorrectly or that they don’t respect the game or their teammates. I think they’ll play NBA basketball, which may not cut it with international dimensions. From starting their offensive sets in a different spot, to having a wider lane to further maximize the international focus on team play, to the 3 point line, it’s a different game and this version of the team isn’t much different from the group that lost in 04: it’s still filled to the brim with the tip-top talent and not guys that could really shine in international ball like Shane Battier, Mike Miller, Rajon Rondo, KG, etc.

I’m rooting for Spain. My family came from France so I don’t really have a Kaman-esque home team to root for so I’ll have to go with the Spaniards if for no other reason than I want to see how Ricky Rubio and Rudy Fernandez play.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 6, 2008 1:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah I had the good fortune of seeing Spider John there just before they closed, the West Bank definitely misses those shows. Speaking of Spain can I just say that they provide the perfect opportunity to bring to life secretarykissinger’s idea for a team logo – instead of a wolf smoking a cig, Spain could have a poorly-drawn cartoon image of Jorge Garbajosa with a big stogey hanging out of his mouth, with the smoke forming the words “papa grande” above his head.

by plinytheelder on Aug 6, 2008 2:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

viking bar partisans unite

SnP, I was probably hoisting a leinie’s right next to you some night; and i was also REALLY digging those spider john shows. for a while just before the end he was playing every sunday night, which was just a ridiculous opportunity to see a living legend from about 12 feet away (though madsen couldn’t have hit a jumper from there it was still a pretty intimate venue). the place closed about a week before i moved away from mpls, which was perfect timing. there will always be palmer’s though.

as for the international game, you’re right - its not even so much the game that our squad will bring that makes me pull for spain. its just the stupid olympic hype that makes me reactionary. i wouldn’t even mind tuning in for a bunch of intensely theatrical individual performances from the US team - really, who could resist the pleasures of that?—but the fact that the coverage will be shoving it down my throat with such a huge dose of uncut nationalism is what i can’t abide. wonder if there’ll be some web access to broadcasts originating elsewhere?

smoke em if you got em!

by secretarykissinger on Aug 6, 2008 2:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh by the way re: not being able to root for France: I was in France for much of last year and ended up playing for a very low-level club team (kind of like playing in a rec league here) – we had a few practices/games at the same time France was playing in the Olympic qualifying tournament (Eurobasket 07), and whenever there was a stoppage in play the guys on the team would check their cellphones for updates. Man, those guys were devastated – they couldn’t believe that with that much talent (a bunch of NBA players, including the finals MVP) their team couldn’t do better than 8th. Shows you what not having more 3-pt shooters will do to you in international ball.

by plinytheelder on Aug 6, 2008 3:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At least...

...there won’t be any headbutting with the French team on the hardwood. They leave that sort of thing on the pitch.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 6, 2008 6:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I caught a few....

...Spider John shows as well. I caught some sort of Koerner, Ray, and Glover tribute there too. I can’t remember which of the original group showed up. It was a perfect dive bar. It’s a shame it had to close.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 6, 2008 6:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've had faith....

.... in the past few years that it would be different for “this” team. Not this time around. If this team doesn’t know how to play well enough with enough focus to cruise through the exhibition season they are already playing for bronze. I don’t think it is a team as good as Spain that takes them down. It is a nobody on a night USA can’t shoot.

by Pants_ on Aug 6, 2008 7:53 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

of those saying that 'Melo is overrated...

How high do you think he’s rated? His teams are usually pretty competitive and he puts up big numbers across the board. I don’t think fans consider him one of the best two or three forwards in the league, but he certainly deserves to be in the discussion for All-Star teams. I’d rather have him than Paul Pierce, and so would most other fans before Pierce’s hot playoffs.

He’s a great international player because he’s got the size and athleticism of most of the American stars, but with an automatic catch & shoot game. He’s a better defender than Redd and is more versatile than most of the NBA shooters left off the team, like Mike Miller and Ray Allen. I disagree with many of Fran Fraschilla’s commentary (he wants to credit Europe with every basketball idea short of the bounce pass) but he’s right that Melo will be one of the best players in these Olympics. His game is built for it.

by Andy G on Aug 6, 2008 10:15 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good points.

Plus the people who say he’s just a scorer with no conscience forget that he was the best player on an NCAA champion – as a freshman no less.

I don’t know that I’d say he’s a “great international player,” though – so far he’s merely been the leading scorer on teams that have disappointed. I agree that the catch-and-shoot part of his game is made for international ball…but what about his deficiencies with regards to passing, moving without the ball, and team defense, all of which are also associated with the international game? Anthony may very well end up being the star of this team, but if he is, I don’t think they’ll win gold.

(For the record, I give them a better chance than most of winning gold…on the condition that Kobe steps up, Anthony and Kidd play smaller roles than they have so far, and Howard and Bosh play extremely well.)

by plinytheelder on Aug 7, 2008 12:16 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh ps wasn’t the bounce pass invented in Sweden? ;)

by plinytheelder on Aug 7, 2008 12:20 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anthony's a decent player...

but would you want to build a team around him? I think the debate will rage about the gent much like KG while he was here, until he can do something special in the post-season. What aspect of his game has he gotten better in? The only thing he’s appreciably improved in his NBA career is his FG percentage, which hasn’t translated into more PPG, or wins for that matter. His career assist to turnover ratio is a bit in the negative, compared to superstars like King James, Kobe Bryant, or D-Wade, which tells me he’s not necessarily interested in making any other teammate better. The guy is mentioned in the same category as those other folks, but can you really say he’s shown any of the leadership you’ve come to expect from those other players?

I’d obviously take him over Darko Milicic, who the Pistons swung and missed on with the 2nd pick in that draft, but he hasn’t grown like his other 2003 draftee mates James or Wade. When you constantly mention him in the same breath as those other two, THAT makes him overrated.

by Peter W on Aug 7, 2008 7:01 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well...

Anthony’s increased his rebounds, assists, and 3P% over the last year. He get a free throw every 3 shots, which is pretty decent. And you’re wrong about his PPG and wins. His points per game have gone up every year since his rookie season until this years (which is mainly about sharing with AI over bad shooting). And the wins have been sitting above .500 ever since Anthony came in (the year before they had 15 wins). He’s certainly not the only person responsible for the turnaround, but since he’s been part of at least a quarter of the team’s possessions since Day 1, he certainly deserves some credit. And I think it’s worth noting in the ‘06-’07 season Anthony had almost 5 assists a game until Iverson showed up.

As for his draft class, I would absolutely take him over Dwayne Wade (who’s the next Penny Hardaway).

by McCleak on Aug 7, 2008 7:42 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's definitely an All Star performer on the basis of scoring a lot of points...

...but he’s the type of player that it would be hard to build around, as Peter mentioned. He’s one of those interesting test cases that evaluation stats like PER and Win Shares have different takes on. Most of his value in these equations has to do with his rebounding and the weight given by the stat (especially offensive rebounding) to the overall score. He’s not a good rebounder for his position and size. Not even close. He doesn’t have that good of an AstR or ppr (both are very underwhelming; putting him in the bottom 1/2 of the NBA, even adjusted for the amount of time he handles the ball). He can score points. He’s not terribly efficient at doing so, but he can give you 25 a night, which is something most NBA players simply cannot do. As for the little things and team play/value:

http://basketballvalue.com/teamplayers.php?year=2007-2008&team=DEN

He carries a big negative adj +/- number on a 50 win team. He’ll enter this season without 2 of his team’s best team performers: Canby and Najera. On the Olympic team, Michael Redd is the only other guy with a negative adj +/-:

http://basketballvalue.com/teamplayers.php?year=2007-2008&team=MIL

Even the broken down Jason Kidd seems to be able to find a way to provide his team some typically unaccounted-for positives. I get that Duncan and KG said no, but I’m not so sure Melo was the right choice at the 4, which is what he’s playing here. Of course, the options after the big 2 are Brand (hurt) and Amare. They probably could have gotten away with playing Lebron at the 4 in international competition while bringing Brad Miller along for the ride as an extra big. Oh well.

Also, I get that Denver has been a .500+ team since he’s been there, but look who came on board with him. It will be interesting to see how the squad does without Canby.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 7, 2008 8:04 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just chipping in to say I agree with this. + I would never pick Anthony over Wade :).

by Wim (Belgium) on Aug 7, 2008 10:55 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmm...

My overall point is that Anthony’s plateaued. Three years ago was his big jump in PPG, only last year was somewhat of a spike in rebounds. To me, there’s not much career statistical difference in his assists, especially when it doesn’t make a dent in the turnover to assist ratio. He’s a one-dimensional, albeit elite scorer, but again, as with KG, how many people does he need around him to make noise in the playoffs?

Say what you want about Wade-or James for that matter-being in the East and thus having more opportunity to make noise in a weak conference. I think the point is they had marvelous individual performances that translated to team success, when it counted. If you’re going to put the “elite superstar” tag on someone, then there’s a level they have to perform at to validate that tag. Anthony hasn’t done that…yet. Until he can find a way to get it done, he’ll be overrated in my book.

Denver-somewhat like the Wolves with KG-saw significant regular season improvement, but now are stuck in the 7th or 8th seed purgatory. I would also argue that Anthony actually has had much better talent around him than KG ever did here, with possibly the exception of the WCF run. It will be interesting to see how much he can lift Denver up this year, without Camby, and with Crazy Karl still at the helm. He’s going to have to do more than score.

by Peter W on Aug 7, 2008 10:13 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He is just rated.

I agree with Peter W’s sentiment on Anthony’s Plateauing. Two years ago it was the great draft of Anthony, Wade and LeBron. The second playoff meltdown in a row has taken a lot of the gleam off Anthony’s cherry especially given Wade has a championship and LeBron carries his team on his back in big playoff series’s.

As for building a team around Anthony I think LeBron is the only player in the league who can make a playoff run with a team that his built as “star and a bunch of guys”. If the wolves were building around Anthony and Jefferson as a base I think over the next 5+ years I’d expect the team to put together a mix that can consistently make playoff runs.

Anthony is on the short list of clutch 4th quarter scorers. I think the worst possible thing to happen to him was to be next to Allen Iverson. They are the classic fantastic in fantasy/video games/ terrible in real life pairing.

by Pants_ on Aug 7, 2008 11:00 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Call me crazy

But I honestly feel like Wade is going to be washed up due to injuries in a few years.

by McCleak on Aug 8, 2008 12:39 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Denver is headed south...

and should rebuild. I don’t know what assets they have, other than Melo and Iverson, but they should get younger and get draft picks, because the current group will struggle to make the playoffs and will only get worse as Iverson gets older.

The “who would you build around?” discussion is an interesting one, and I wouldn’t put Melo in the Top 10 in the league. However, he’s an All-Star scorer and with a great big man, could probably contend for a championship.

by Andy G on Aug 7, 2008 8:26 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anthony v. Wade is an interesting one...

...Wade has the ring but he did it in Shaq’s last somewhat dominant season and he was able to do so because the Mavs suddenly stopped getting calls and he shot something like 60 free throws in Miami’s wins. Wade definitely has injury issues and he can’t shoot for shit from the outside so it remains to be seen how he could perform with no inside presence and balanced officiating. That being said, he completely dominated those Finals. He’s spectacular in an open court setting and with a wide lane (again, removing the importance of big fellas like Shaq), he’s quite the performer.

That being said, he comes with some pretty big negatives. He’s not going to run the point for you and he’s a liability on defense. He can’t shoot all that well and a large part of his game involves getting calls from the refs. There’s also the question of how much longer he can keep the bowling ball style up.

As far as the Wolves go, I’d take Melo in a second over Wade.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 7, 2008 11:04 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Melo is the new Glenn Robinson...

...and that’s not a compliment. I think he’s mostly a chucker and has too poor of an attitude to be the most talented player on a championship team.

by wyn on Aug 7, 2008 3:58 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"most talented player on a championship team"....

is an exclusive club.

KG, Shaq, Duncan, Jordan, Hakeem, and Sheed are the only guys in it for the past 15 years. If Melo had a dominant big man, like all Non-Jordan Champions have had, he could maybe win a title. Who knows what’s in store for him. He probably won’t finish his career in Denver.

by Andy G on Aug 7, 2008 7:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Didn’t Wade win finals MVP? I’d say (especially given what we’ve seen from Shaq since) he was the most talented player on that team. Though that was a strange finals, I think Dallas basically gave it away – when they let Nash go the year before…

I’m surprised by the comments on this thread (Anthony over Wade on the Wolves…or anywhere?) – maybe my estimation of Wade is too high, I basically think he’s one of the best players in the league. Maybe I need to reconsider…or maybe I’m still mesmerized by that sweet 16 game against Kentucky – remember that game? I don’t think I’ve ever been so enthralled with a player in my life, that was absolutely amazing.

by plinytheelder on Aug 8, 2008 1:03 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He did win the MVP...

...he also had some free throw numbers that stuck out and…well, it wasn’t the NBA’s finest moment watching some of that officiating.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 8, 2008 4:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Wade is a top 15 player in the league right now. I think he is a better player than Anthony right now. I think the Heat are much more likely to win a championship with Wade before the Nuggets win one with Anthony. I also think that Wade is going to be broken down by 30, and that Anthony is going to maintain his level of play for another decade.

by McCleak on Aug 8, 2008 5:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So did Tony Parker and Paul Pierce, but you’re right that Wade was probably the best player on that Heat team. Kobe was coming into his prime when LA won their last one, but I’d still say Shaq was their best player.

But by showing how few players ever actually become the “most talented player on a championship team” I think it highlights how overstated the phrase “he’s a player you can build around” is. You can truly build around Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant, or LeBron James. The list doesn’t extend much further than that, and even those guys can’t win titles by themselves (although Duncan’s first two titles were with relatively average supporting groups.) Carmelo is not in that company and nobody would argue that he is. However, he does a lot of things on offense that only a short list of players can match and he could easily end up on a team that contends for, or wins, a title.

by Andy G on Aug 8, 2008 2:07 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Rubio to stay in spain for the next 2 years??????
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Ricky, el primer paso - Ricky, the first step
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Trading with the Atlanta Hawks

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