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Check out the Aussie Uni's!!!

USA Basketball started out with a bang this morning (or evening, if you're in Beijing), with the women handing out a 40 point drubbing to the Czech Republic, 97-57. Comparatively, the ladies have probably have an equal or greater chance to win hoops gold than the men, given that only Australia and Russia seem to have any chance at being competitive. Russia struggled mightily against Latvia today, but the Aussies with Lauren Jackson--and fascinating, skin tight uniforms--should give USA a run for their money. They gave a whupping to Belarus in their first game as well, 83-64.

Kudos to NBC and in my case DirecTV for the way the Olympics are being broadcast. Dedicating a multitude of channels to the different competitions, and providing an interactive menu for me to select a contest of my choosing has truly enhanced my user experience. This morning I was able to watch raw feeds of both USA and Russia in their respective games, with no commercials. During the timeouts, they merely put together replay packages of the last few minutes, while music was being played at the venue. An occasional stat or graphic would appear to explain what had transpired to date, but for the most part it's a very clean, organized and gorgeous way to watch the games.

What wasn't particularly nice in my view was Craig Sager's interview of Becky Hammon, the WBNA All-Star point guard who happens to be playing for the Russian squad. She and the Clippers Chris Kaman are the two Americans who are playing under different flags--Russia and Germany respectively--but only Kaman has any particular ancestory with Germany. That has ruffled a few feathers, and Sager--on loan from Turner Sports, and dressed down from his usual loud and garish attire--decided to go Jim Gray on Hammon, questioning her patriotism with questions like how she felt watching the USA team walk into the Olympic stadium during the opening ceremonies. During a short interview with Diane Taurasi after the USA blow out, apparently Sager hadn't had enough of trying to stir the pot, asking Taurasi how she felt about Hammon's decision to play with the nation formerly known as the Red Menace. I can only imagine when the men's hoops start up, Sager will be looking for an interview with Kaman to question his loyalty as well. During the raw feed, one could hear both Mike Breen and Ann Meyers-Drysdale compliment Sager on his line of questioning, especially the opening ceremonies question. 

While one question regarding the "controversy" is legitimate, to repeatedly ask the same question over and over again borders on jingoism. The Olympics--and sports in general--have morphed into something much different than what I certainly grew up with. With the whole effort to globalize basketball, it would be silly to think that some athletes wouldn't want to find a way to compete on a Olympic stage, especially when their home countries have no interest in their services. Mercenary? Maybe, but ever since the decision to let professionals compete in the Olympics was made, Pandora's box was opened. FIBA rules prevent a wholesale shift of players changing allegences at will; Hammon and Kaman took advantage of the fact they hadn't played in international competition before. In the end however, isn't the Olympics still about the best athletes on the planet competing? If Kaman and Hammon want to try and find a spot on that stage, is it really any of our business if they make it? Don't we have bigger issues to worry about than who's playing on who's team?

Kevin Hench via Fox Sports provides more background on the subject, including USA Women's hoops coach Anne Donovan's reaction to the issue. Of course, being Fox, the conclusions Hench comes to are predictable, but it's worth a read, especially if you think folks like Hammon and Kaman are in the wrong. I don't, but I'd be interested to hear what others think about all of this.

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I agree, those are some pretty low blows. You’d think they could find some other stuff to talk about… And in any case it’s not like this is a new phenomenon – haven’t rich countries been scooping up athletes from poorer ones for years? I don’t know the numbers, but it’s hypocritical to complain only when the shoe’s on the other foot.

In fact someone should have a blog dedicated solely to NBC lowlights! Some are borderline offensive, like those above; some are just hilarious for their lameness. Not sure exactly where these 2 fit!:

1. Jim Lampley, after Latvia upsets the U.S. in beach volleyball: “So it’s Latvia! What’s next? Siberia? Antarctica?”

2. NBC cycling commentator after Samuel Sanchez wins the road race: “Like the conquistadors of old, Spain takes gold!”

Good god, you can’t make this stuff up!

by plinytheelder on Aug 9, 2008 4:03 PM CDT   0 recs

im sorry, thats funny
"Like the conquistadors of old, Spain takes gold!"

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 10, 2008 6:01 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Are those volleyball unis?

As for the US players playing for other countries, I’m not sure what all the fuss is about. This is about money. None of this is amateur anymore.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 9, 2008 4:08 PM CDT   0 recs

Case in point: Hakeem Olajuwon, gold medal for U.S., 1996.

by plinytheelder on Aug 9, 2008 4:18 PM CDT   0 recs

why you gotta go makin good points

it makes the opposition look bad

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 10, 2008 6:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If Russia or Germany make noise...

then this might become more of an issue as the Games go along. Hammon doesn’t start for Russia, nor did she play the last minutes of a tight game today against an upset minded Latvia team. Dirk and Kaman might pull an Germanic upset of some sort, but I am hoping this was an isolated attempt on the part of Sager, rather than NBC deciding to make this a primary theme throughout the basketball competition.

by Peter W on Aug 9, 2008 4:26 PM CDT   0 recs

I wonder if Sager...

...will have some tough questions for US flag barer Lopez Lomong…who just became a citizen 13 months ago.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/oly/5929009.html

Good lord.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 9, 2008 5:05 PM CDT   0 recs

Australia....
Comparatively, the ladies have probably have an equal or greater chance to win hoops gold than the men, given that only Australia and Russia seem to have any chance at being competitive.

That would be the reigning World Champion Australian team.

This Olympic squad is less experienced, but the US are much closer to the rest of the field in this tournament than the mens.

They have worn the skin tight unis for a while, in the national league as well. Not a great look.

by Auswolf on Aug 9, 2008 6:51 PM CDT   0 recs

I love how we have a world wide audience...

...thanks Auswolf. I’ll be coming back for more Aussie advice when my wife and I possibly take a trip down under in about 2 years. I’ve been to Perth and Darwin but not the side with all the people. We’re planning a big trip in 2 years and one of the finalists is a junket to Indonesia, Australia, and New Zealand. The other options are hiking the Inca Trail up to Machu Picchu, hitch hiking around Korea (I lived there for nearly 2 years and can get around), a bike trip in British Columbia, or we go try and find distant relatives in Alsace-Lorraine. My aunt goes to Australia once every 2 years or so and she absolutely loves it. She’s a big proponent of option #1. She also scuba dives and the reef is a big attraction for her. Right now, I’m leaning towards Machu Picchu with British Columbia coming in second. I’m a big fan of hiking and mountains so…well, maybe you could suggest some good hiking places in Australia or New Zealand. The Canadian Rockies and Machu Picchu are pretty hard to pass up. Where do you live in Australia?

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by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 9, 2008 7:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If you need some local knowledge.....

more than happy to help. I’ve been to NZ a few times, so I know my way around there to a point.

by Auswolf on Aug 9, 2008 7:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

excellent...

...drop me a line at stopnpop1@gmail.com

we’re trying to find a good place to go for our 15th anniversary. We’re leaning towards Machu Picchu, but my wife is very interested in Australia.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 9, 2008 8:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

A couple of points...

First, if we’re talking Olympic competition, USA is the defending champion, having taken the gold in 2004. That’s an eternity in sports, but still, the ladies have depth that no other team has. Any team with Lauren Jackson however, arguably one of the two or three best players in the world, has to be taken seriously. Having watched Russia struggle today, I would say the early odds are in the USA or Australia’s favor.

Second, the ladies actually have an advantage over the men, in the fact that many of them play international ball and make a major share of their money overseas. So they are more familiar with FIBA rules, and don’t have that adjustment to make. From what I can see, USA are the favorites to win, but it wouldn’t shock me if the Aussie’s take it. That’s why the play the games, and also why the Olympics-aside from all the asinine political and corporate issues-are still relevant.

by Peter W on Aug 9, 2008 7:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Damn...

...you beat me to it. Many of the US ladies have dual passports from deep pocketed interests in Russia and they are very familiar with the international rules. Whatever happens, there seems to have been some bad blood between the US and Australia:

http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-Olympics/idUST621720080809

I’d love to see a gold medal game between the US and Australia. I’m sure the Lynx would have some sort of medal appreciation ceremony for Ms. Augustus if the US medals.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 9, 2008 7:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Fair enough but....

...when you are talking about teams being “competitive” (which in my neck of the woods translates as “will lose, but look respectable”), I just though I’d point out the result of the last tournament these team were all at. Perhaps this is a cultural thing on my part.

The point about international experience is well made. Jackson, Taylor and others are either in the WNBA or have played in the past. Many have Euro experience also.

Oh and they just interviewed Jackson and Taylor in Beijing (they defeated Belarus yesterday) – they HATE the skin tight uniforms.

by Auswolf on Aug 9, 2008 8:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Is there a back story...

... on why they don’t wear basketball uniforms? They don’t wear leotards for high school/college girls do they? (or however Australia does organized basketball for girls/woman those ages…)

by Pants_ on Aug 9, 2008 11:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's an old marketing ploy...

from back when the national league was relaunched a few years back. All the national league teams wore them, so they put the national team in them too. It’s a fairly cynical “let’s market female athletes with sex appeal” strategy. I would tend to think the league gained in popularity on the back of the national team. A few of the teams have now ditched them I believe, and you certainly don’t see schoolgirls in them.

by Auswolf on Aug 10, 2008 2:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I guess we should all be spending our time elsewhere

“Don’t we have bigger issues to worry about than who’s playing on who’s team?”

I guess you could make that point about every single sports related conversation/criticism.
...

I still get excited every two years for the Olympics (especially summer) and after watching the opening ceremony this year I was more revved up than ever. Compared to the rest of the sporting world the Olympics are a beacon and one of the few times the world watches people from every corner of the globe get together peacefully.

I don’t see how pros spending a summer working to represent their country instead of sitting in Maui cheapens anything. The Olympics are about each country showing up with their best to compete against another countries best (keep in mind that they are many Americans playing other sports than basketball who didn’t make the Olympics for the US but could have made it if they were from Napal). Things are never as PURE as we like to believe they were 50 years ago but that doesn’t mean you just throw it all to the wind and let countries having a bidding war for their players.

Hammon isn’t the devil for doing this but I see it as being very immature. She didn’t get to play on her country’s team because she wasn’t good enough so you circumvent the spirit of the rules to get your way (same goes for Kaman).

by Pants_ on Aug 9, 2008 11:39 PM CDT   0 recs

If I'm an athlete...

and I think I’m good enough to play, personally I would look for opportunities to do so, to prove the doubters wrong. I think that’s human nature, and it doesn’t strike me as immature. To me, since the rise of globalization, the Olympics are more about the athletic competition itself, as opposed to nation-state competition. We see both coaches and athletes from around the world being recruited by countries other than their homeland. My point is you can’t have it both ways; to grow and expand sports on a global scale, but then worry about who’s playing where seems hypocritical to me. As long as the competition itself is pure and honest, that’s what the Olympics should be all about.

by Peter W on Aug 10, 2008 9:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I guess we have a fundamentally different view....

of the Olympics then. I see the team sports as a nation-state competition before anything else. If anything the rise of globalization makes it more so to me. In the NBA, MLB, NHL and professional soccer leagues we are used see all the countries of the world intertwined… the high profile of the NBA and WNBA give players more than enough of a stage to get recognition. The fun of the Olympics is seeing how the top players play when they are separated by country.

I can see more of a slant towards the pure athletic competition in individual sports but we are talking about basketball.

I don’t get your hypocritical comment at all. Sports can expand around the world in popularity while still maintaining the grouping of players by country in the Olympics? Why is that?

by Pants_ on Aug 10, 2008 3:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I like the aussies unis

it might be sad, but I would watch 1 more game per year then I do now if they wore those hear. which is to say that I would watch a game.

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 10, 2008 6:09 AM CDT   0 recs

What is Henry Kissenger doing at the US/China game?

He’s sitting right behind Bush.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 10, 2008 10:14 AM CDT   0 recs

Is it just me...

... or does Kissinger look like a bit Ben Stein these days?

by wyn on Aug 10, 2008 5:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

:)

You know….I’ve never seen them together. You know, Ben Stein’s recent anti-evolution movie would have been even funnier had he had Kissinger’s accent. The Discovery Institute has some pretty entertaining lines as it is, but the accent could have put it over the top.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 10, 2008 5:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i am the real secretary kissinger

obviously, he is there just to steal my thunder. or else, less nefariously, he’s there to broker new geo-political alliances that will effectively shape the future of the planet (not to mention NBC’s broadcast coverage) in ways we can only dimly begin to imagine….

http://harpers.org/archive/2008/08/hbc-90003378

i didn’t see the coverage but i like to imagine Bush greeting Kissinger by doing the old Bob Uecker “I must be in the front row!” routine.

by secretarykissinger on Aug 10, 2008 9:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He always did say...

...America has no friends, only interests. It’s nice to see that perspective being transferred to the private sector. What a douche.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 10, 2008 10:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Russian men also have an American

JR Holden (his name has been Cryllicized) wears #5 and scored 19 points in 37 minutes against Iran.

by Ski U Mah Gopher on Aug 11, 2008 6:48 PM CDT   0 recs

nice catch

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by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 11, 2008 8:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Welcome to Hoopus!

I saw on your profile that you’re quite a MN sports fan. Mac grad? Welcome that much more! Watch out for the Mac-haters! coughSnPcough

by wyn on Aug 11, 2008 8:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I love Mac!

What other school offers a degree program in how to maximize the uses of patchouli? Silly hippies. :)

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by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 12, 2008 12:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Holden...

...has been fantastic for Russia, won Eurobasket 07 for them with a last-second shot against Spain, and was a close second to Kirilenko for best player on that team.

by plinytheelder on Aug 12, 2008 1:00 AM CDT   0 recs

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