GameThread: vs. Heat
by wyn on Jan 13, 2009 7:00 PM CST
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Tonight is the big test of the Wolves' recent success. Either we prove that we can beat .500+ teams, or we prove that we can't.... yet.
I'll be at the game. Keep it clean and friendly. Mayn.
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yep
atdhe.net has a stream too….as does homertv.net
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Al is in full black hole mode
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I can hardly watch Miller play anymore
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The Be Honest
If We can Trade Mike Miller to a Place Like Cleveland for Boobie Gibson or Delonte West…GET IT DONE ASAP!!!!!!!
Man I would love Delonte West on this team
if only for the quotes!
by plinytheelder on Jan 13, 2009 7:30 PM CST up reply actions
are the heat
a particularly good rebounding team? They sure look good so far. Looked like a bit of a push by Haslem on Smith but the refs aren’t going to call that very often.
Not Really a Rebounding Squad
They Really Dont have Much Size down Low besides Beasley whos 6’9….Blount is 7’0 and he does play…Jamal Magliore is 6’11..He Doesnt Play… For Guys that Do play…Joel Anthony is 6’9 and Udonis Haslem is 6’8…
I think a new question for the Wolves . . .
. . . is will they be able to re-sign Cardinal for anything less than the mid-level exception?
hehe
he’s looked pretty good since he’s been getting time though
by plinytheelder on Jan 13, 2009 7:36 PM CST up reply actions
sweet baby jesus that outlet almost worked
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How much better does this team look without Al out there tonight?
He really needs to learn the ball movement thing.
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yup
let’s hope they can take advantage of this zone…I don’t know why the heat would go into that with this lineup
by plinytheelder on Jan 13, 2009 7:42 PM CST up reply actions
Even though we are on a 5 game win streak
Fans Still stoop Low badly…Zgoda had this in his preview tonight
Already, someone in the first deck’s upper reaches to bellowing about Kevin McHale trading Chalmers for "pocket change.
Wolves look good
Nice Balance with Love, Carney, and Foye in there… Cardinal is surprisingly effective
WTF is Big Al doing out there tonight?
A 1/2 court ally-oop? He should sit for a while after that one.
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That attempted lob down low by Foye
was pretty bad, too.
JPETE: "There's a lot of good stuff happening on both ends of the court"
None of it remotely resembling defense, but, whatever.
I don't know...
that play by Love on Beasley was pretty nice
by plinytheelder on Jan 13, 2009 7:54 PM CST up reply actions
Good lord I wish Brewer was still around
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is it me, or did Wade clobber Foye to get that last steal?
by oblivionspocket on Jan 13, 2009 7:58 PM CST reply actions
the one where Love threw a risky outlet pass
by oblivionspocket on Jan 13, 2009 7:58 PM CST up reply actions
can't tell
on my little 3-inch computer screen
by plinytheelder on Jan 13, 2009 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
he can't commit fouls....
….he gave Love a forearm shiver on the last play down the court….not a foul.
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he's real good
I don’t know how you guard the guy.
by plinytheelder on Jan 13, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
i'm pretty sure he could cold...
….take a running start at Brian Cardinal and kick him square in the nuts and it would be waved off as hustle.
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i confess
some part of me wants to see that in the second half
by secretarykissinger on Jan 13, 2009 8:02 PM CST up reply actions
it happened to a guy i knew in high school...
….d-wade didn’t kick him in the nuts but during a gym class game of soccer a girl took a running kick, missed the ball and caught him square in the jewels. His right testicle was twisted around and shoved upwards. I’ve never heard a more terrible noise.
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hmmm
I don’t know about that foul, even if Foye did leave his feet.
Man if I’m Miami I’m happy…thoroughly outplayed and not down by much.
now that is fucked up
foul on Carney?
inadvertent whistle?
Carney should be pissed. He played great D.
how is that a jump ball..
…nba officiating, it’s fantastic
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yeah hehe
I have to say, that last jump ball call had me saying MAYN HOL UP!
by plinytheelder on Jan 13, 2009 8:07 PM CST up reply actions
The wolves played pretty good defense
on those last two possessions.
by oblivionspocket on Jan 13, 2009 8:07 PM CST reply actions
Before the block, Love went all the way out to guard the perimeter than ran back to the opposite post to make a block
by oblivionspocket on Jan 13, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
marcus banks!
finding value in his new role as anti-tobacco spokesperson
by secretarykissinger on Jan 13, 2009 8:07 PM CST reply actions
mario chalmers would have done it but....
i feel like i’ve made that joke a thousand times on this board. it is hereby retired
by secretarykissinger on Jan 13, 2009 8:09 PM CST up reply actions
Banks can stretch the D with his three?
Haven’t ever really seen that
by oblivionspocket on Jan 13, 2009 8:13 PM CST reply actions
everybody holding their breath on here?
by secretarykissinger on Jan 13, 2009 8:34 PM CST reply actions
Just watching.
Hoping Smith and Jefferson are yanked.
eating
I wish I could just eat in peace and tell the game MAYN HOL UP!
by plinytheelder on Jan 13, 2009 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
terrible team D
not for lack of effort, but they’re confused…both guys doing the same thing every time they double, or even when they’re in the same area.
Get Cardinal out there!
it's nice to see
all those early predictions about how killer we’d be from three-point territory coming true…
by secretarykissinger on Jan 13, 2009 8:47 PM CST reply actions
and without mccants ever contributing, anything
by secretarykissinger on Jan 13, 2009 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
yeah
now if they can just get Miller going
by plinytheelder on Jan 13, 2009 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
indeed, but at the same time
i’m increasingly struck by how quick miller can be driving and moving the ball around and doing other things than camping out for his shots. of course whether all this restless activity produces much is another question
by secretarykissinger on Jan 13, 2009 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
nice move by Telfair at the end there
totally froze that guy
By the way why does anyone ever go under a screen when guarding Wade? Wouldn’t you rather have him shoot than penetrate? The Wolves are going over the screen every time.
Foye has already played 38 minutes, Bassy has played only 27
Bassy has great conditioning and endurance and can easily play 40 minutes a night. Miller on the other hand can’t even make free throws right now.
agreed on the great conditioning...
just saying that I don’t think he’d come out yet in the 2nd half? tough to see him playing the entire half.
by plinytheelder on Jan 13, 2009 9:02 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't see all of the 3rd quarter so i didn't know that.
Makes sense then, I just wish we had someone that could be playing instead of Miller, who is worthless
yeah it's too bad
but he’s way out of his rhythm right now
by plinytheelder on Jan 13, 2009 9:07 PM CST up reply actions
They SOOOOOO....
….need to trade him + whoever for the largest expiring deal they can get. I like Wally’s deal.
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I think Miller
will come around at some point, don’t you? He’s just got to get a stretch where he’s not getting injured all the time, can find some kind of rhythm.
by plinytheelder on Jan 13, 2009 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
Him and Craig Smith need to be traded ASAP
for either a defensive center, athletic wing, or expirings
Who would have thought at the beginning of the year we'd have dueling...
…“4th quarter Foye!!” chants?
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yeah Foye and Love are keeping them in this right now
Love is just uncanny. The Miami guys Love him.
ops
didn’t mean to capitalize that last love hehe
by plinytheelder on Jan 13, 2009 9:08 PM CST up reply actions
Did Wade just kick Cardinal in the nuts?
And they called it?
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How on earth is that a foul on Love...
…straight up and down. Sweet Jesus I hate NBA reffing.
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Good lord....
..they just make up calls for the guy. He literally jumps into people.
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you missed the 2-3 makes in the 1st 1/2
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not a good game to make that statement
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He had a highlight reel one to carney for a 2 handed flush...
…as well as a few to hit the PG in stride beyond 1/2 court. It’s been on full display tonight. The good and bad. Mostly the good.
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Nice to see you around here again . . .
. . . you seem to disappear when the Timberwolves are doing well.
Damn...
…my 2nd choice. I’m going with Council Bluffs or Sioux City. I’m from Ames.
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I hear ya...
…I go down there to pheasant hunt quite a bit.
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The dog in the picture is my hunting buddy
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He's trained but he still runs around like a clown when not out on the hunt
He’s always in the trash. LOVES food.
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Loves it so much..
…he ate 12 oz of baker’s chocolate the other day and we had to make him puke it up. Stupid dog.
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indeed.....
…I can’t think of another creature where I’d scoop up vomit off the floor for than that frickin’ thing. He’s literally in my dog house after the chocolate nonsense. Earlier this year he ate a pine cone and it blocked him up to the tune of a 1,200 dollar procedure. He’s lucky he’s like a big teddy bear and that he barks at anyone who comes near the house.
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No offense, but could you
head back to Iowa some time in March of ‘10, particularly if the Wolves are in the hunt for the 8th playoff spot? There seems to be some correlation between the team doing well while you’re in the southward state (heh heh).
BTW:
With all the Miami love for Love I thought I’d revisit our season preview predictions for ROY:
Wim:
1. Greg Oden
2. Derrick Rose
3. Michael Beasley
4. Kevin Love
Auswolf:
(i) Oden
(ii) Westbrook
(iii) Beasley
(iv) Gallinari
(v) Rose
(vi) Love
Peter W:
Oden (if healthy)
Rose
Beasley
Mayo
Westbrook/Love
Bayless
Hickson
Thompson
Me:
Beasley
Darrell Arthur
Kevin Love
Marreese Speights
Jason Thompson
Pants:
Beasley
someone not in the top 10 picks
Love
Oden
Westbrook
MSA:
Oden, Beasley, Mayo, Love – not to imply the trade was bad, I just think OJ will get more opportunities to score
McCleak:
3) Love will finish 3rd, behind Greg Oden and Michael Beasley. He might very well play better than Oden, however.
DR_JPK: Love gets it or sucks
Dave W:
(3) Kevin Love will finish 3rd behind Oden and Beasley. He has a shot at the 2nd spot but Beasley’s higher profile and raw stats will likely out-do him.
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I forgot Sterno:
3) Beasley wins the ROY. No one is going into a better situation, and Oden will not be an offensive powerhouse, which will hurt him in the ROY voting. If Love stays healthy, he finishes in the top 5
Solid call on Oden.
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Ruh-oh....
….Heat announcers just said Foye/Roy swap suddenly not so lopsided.
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My Rookie of the Year Projection
No i’m not going with the Glitzy picks like OJ Mayo and Derrick Rose…Or the Homer Pick with Kevin Love….Call Me Crazy…But i think the Rookie of the year is BROOK LOPEZ.
He's this year's...
….Al Horford.
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And if folks want to complain about Love...
..he’s the missed pick.
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Beasley just doesn't look comfortable coming from the perimeter.
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Wade is capable of fouling!!!
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that mistake by Telfair...
is just like the one he made last game, going for a layup instead of pulling the ball out. You have to know when not to run.
Why give out player of the game right now?
Yea it’s Foye if the wolves win but if the Heat win shouldn’t it be Wade?
Why is Al in this f'ing game?
Love gets that rebound. I shit you not. Terrible. he FUBAR’d the last offensive play and he sucked it up on the boards.
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why did miller play the whole 4th quarter?
would have won if someone productive was given those minutes
How much more could Wade foul him?
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coaching lapse to not have love rebounding on that second free throw
by secretarykissinger on Jan 13, 2009 9:29 PM CST up reply actions
coaching lapse to put al back in
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looked like he hit his shooting hand?
anyways you’re better placed to see than me, I’m watching on a 3-inch computer screen
by plinytheelder on Jan 13, 2009 9:29 PM CST up reply actions
oh
this should be for roundhouse’s comment below
by plinytheelder on Jan 13, 2009 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
that was the exact same play
for which Foye was called for a foul on Wade earlier. Perfect play by Foye. Fucking refs.
really?
not even on the follow through? fox sports miami hasn’t run it back yet.
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the problem is
the exact same play in reverse was called for a foul earlier
by plinytheelder on Jan 13, 2009 9:32 PM CST up reply actions
yeah looked like follow-through to me
but I can’t be sure
by plinytheelder on Jan 13, 2009 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
ok...
….after seeing it again Foye sold it and it shouldn’t have been a foul. Wade made contact after the ball was out. Good call.
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They still should have called the fould
as a make up all for the BS reffing we had to put up with during this game.
echoes of the old foot-on-the-line foye anyway
nevertheless an encouraging performance by him all told
by secretarykissinger on Jan 13, 2009 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
Wolves made too many mistakes down the stretch
Bad Turnovers by Telfair and Love, gotta play smarter at the end of games
Good game....
…quite entertaining. Wade played excellent D on the last 2 possessions and McHale didn’t put Love in for rebounding when beasley got the rebound and on the last 3 possessions.
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Blame
Mike Miller
28 min
1-6 from 3 (all wide open)
1-7 overall
1-3 FT
Plus, a terrible box out at the end of the game.
I was just going to say about the same thing
I’m putting this loss on Mike MIller and Mchale for keeping him in for the whole 4th quarter
agreed...
….that was BS nonsense. Trade. Now.
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Him and Craig Smith's trade values are declining daily
We need to move on this fast.
If we could pick up Joakim Noah and Wally’s expiring in two trades that would be amazing
That Has to be put on McHale....
HOW IN THE FUCK do you not have Kevin Love or at least Big Al down low on that Free Throw where beasley got the rebound….MIKE FUCKING MILLER ARE YOU KIDDING ME??
Blame
Al Jefferson laid an egg tonight. Worst game I’ve ever seen him play and I bet he’ll be the first one to say so… That turnover at the end was really bad.
agreed....
….I’ve never seen him play that bad. is anyone still watching the miami feed? shawn marion is giving an interview and i literally can’t understand a word he’s saying. not an accent thing; he just talks so damn fast
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I agree -
but the thing is, the Wolves had no timeouts left, and needed all their 3-pt shooters in. That means they have to take either Jefferson or Love out.
If they have timeouts remaining, they can get the rebound, call timeout, then insert Miller.
by plinytheelder on Jan 13, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
I think that's a solid take...
…Big Al had an off night. McHale made the right moves down the stretch if you go by the percentages. You have to have your best player and best 3 point shooter on the floor and Love and Bassy threw away 2 passes down the stretch. After I have my head screwed back on straight after this one I think he played it right.
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Let us all not forget
about Bassy’s errant pass late in the fourth on the break to Carney.
yeah if we're handing out blame
there’s a lot of legit targets.
even though i still don’t think he was the man to be trying to block out on that last shot i think calls for a miller trade are overdoing it. agreed with pliny’s simultaneous comment below
by secretarykissinger on Jan 13, 2009 9:41 PM CST up reply actions
I just want to trade him for cap space....
….even if he was the 2nd best player on this team, I’d be for the trade if they could get a big expiring contract back.
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that just shifts the pressure on the incompetent front office
instead of experimenting with ways to get him producing better. what those would be i have no idea, but for god’s sake we waited 2 years to see foye play like this, lets give miller more thana couple of weeks.
by secretarykissinger on Jan 13, 2009 9:44 PM CST up reply actions
I think he's most valueable as cap space for a sign and trade or free agent....
….Marvin Williams, Trevor Ariza, AK47, Gerald Wallace, or Caron Butler.
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agreed...
….Shaddy is worth about negative cookies right now. I don’t know what that means, but he’s worth it.
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good night guys
On the positive side, Al played terrible, Wade played great, and the wolves lost a heartbreaker. They are definitely improving….
solid take
we’re finally able to watch 4 quarters of good ball
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yeah
I was just saying to my wife how much nicer this is to watch than all those 30-pt losses in Nov.
by plinytheelder on Jan 13, 2009 9:41 PM CST up reply actions
I think we're hanging Miller out to dry too quickly.
The guy’s been one of the best shooters in the game for a long time. He’ll get his stroke back, just needs to find a rhythm.
i know he can still shoot....
…i just want him to do it for cleveland in exchange for Wally (+ cardinal on the Wolves’ end)
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I wouldn't even ask...
…they just need expiring contracts for Miller + Cardinal.
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yep..
….if they can move Miller they’re the big dogs in this off-season. they’ll have 20+ mil below the cap
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20+ mil + 4 possible 1st rounders = fun
My ultimate hope is that they trade for AK47 + get lucky in the lotto with Rubio. If they get lucky they should contact Utah and offer them all the other picks + anyone but Love/Jefferson/Foye for AK.
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I'd love anything that got Kirilenko here
by plinytheelder on Jan 13, 2009 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
It would allow them to resign Boozer + Milsap
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Didn't I read something that Rubio wasn't coming until '10?
I know it wasn’t 100%, but from what I read, it seemed like they were going to wait another year. I would LOVE the AK with Love/Jefferson/Foye. I would like Jennings with that group, too, because I think he’s got a huge huge upside and is a legit PG.
Actually I know of a cap clearing trade that Glen Taylor would LOVE
Now that is looks like Miles’ contract is gonna be put back on the Blazers, they aren’t going to have the cap room they thought.
If they have any interest in Mike Miller, we could ship him and Collins to Portland for Raef Lafrentz + player/asset. I’m pretty sure that insurance is paying like 2/3 of Raef’s contract or something like that. That would make Glen happy.
insurance is prorated...
…and would cover pretty much the rest of the year….I’d still make that trade as long as they threw in Batum.
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I think it was in a Chad Ford chat
that insurance doesn’t transfer in a trade…. is that not true?
Dave...
….at Blazers Edge just had something about it. www.blazersedge.com
Norsktroll, are you out there? She’ll know too.
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this might be a stupid question
but what would Miller bring to the table in Cleveland that Wally doesn’t?
Wally is the world's worst defender..
…Miller is lock down compared to wally.
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i meant
“mayn, wally drives me up the wall”
by secretarykissinger on Jan 13, 2009 9:53 PM CST up reply actions
I'm just banking on some teams seeing Miller as a sharpshooter with all around game (well except defense)
so we need to move on this before he keeps proving his rep wrong
I'm just guessing
that given a choice between Wally and Miller, most teams would take Miller, especially with how poorly Wally played in the playoffs last year.
by plinytheelder on Jan 13, 2009 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
Give Miller a couple of weeks without being injured,
and he’ll be putting up solid numbers. Guy’s a player.
right on
looking forward to more discussion later — good night, gents!
by secretarykissinger on Jan 13, 2009 9:54 PM CST up reply actions
Well, it was a fun game. I thought the Wolves controlled the pace well throughout most of it, but the Heat stuck around. And when things grinded to a halt at the end, that was it. Al’s turnover after backing down low for, oh, 20 seconds or so was a killer. He’ll have better games, of course, although Miami’s a team you’d think Jefferson could destroy.
Another good game from Foye. I’m coming around to him, even if his scoring will likely come back to earth a little. The Dude was really looking to RUN tonight.
I think trading Miller makes sense. I think he’s a good player, and his overall game’s always been a bit underrated. I think he’s an ideal 6th man, and with the way Foye’s been playing, that’s Miller’s ideal position currently on the Wolves.
Trouble is, the Wolves aren’t the type of team right now that needs a 6th man making $9 million.
I think ya'all saw the same things I did at the game...
- couldn’t believe the star calls for Wade
- Miller and Al looked bad
- Telfair and Love had VERY costly errors down the stretch
- Randy IS actually starting to make the Roy trade look better (not good, but better)
- Cardinal is a better, less goofy version of Mad Dog
Also, 247 comments in a GameThread is something to be proud of. You guys and gals are a great group of Wolves fans. I’m proud to be a part of it.
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Good crowd tonight, wyn?
Appeared that way on TV. Fewer empty seats; some non-jumbotron-provoked, in-action standing O’s.
It was a pretty good crowd
Wade got the biggest ovation during pre-game.
After going to games in Portland, Golden State and Chicago in the last few years, it’s become painfully obvious how quiet the Target Center is, though. I don’t expect us to equal those other arenas, but even during timeouts in the 4th quarter, it’s pretty quiet.
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Re: Jefferson:
I didn’t hear about this during the game but it turns out he got 7 stitches to close a cut over his eye at halftime! Guess I’d probably play pretty poorly too if that happened to me.
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