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Carney vs. Brewer

Wow, it sure does look like Carney is going to give us everything, and I mean everything that we thought Brewer was going to give.  He's not a shot creator, but when he's confident, he hits the open 3, slashes to the hoop, finishes outstandingly, and even plays very good defense.  And he's a way better athlete than Brewer.  I must say I'm surprised because he looked like garbage earlier in the year.  I have to say I'm much less concerned about the SF position for the wolves in the future.  PG and C are really now the biggest needs.  That being said, Bassy has been playing very nicely lately, but I'd still like to see him come off the bench and be a top notch bench guy.  We need complete PG who can be counted on to handle it in the clutch, and play some D.  But back to Carney, is he a legit part of this teams future?

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I don’t think you can keep them both. I want less duplicate players on the team. So, they need to pick one and move on from the other. Just my opinion.

I’m not sure if either’s got starting potential, though. I’d still look at SF as a need.

by jianfu on Jan 13, 2009 11:13 PM CST reply actions  

I don't think I'd call them duplicates -

I think this comes through more on defence than anywhere else. Brewer defends the backcourt every bit as well as he defends the wing. I can’t really imagine Carney guarding Tony Parker like Brewer did earlier this year. I think Brewer’s a much better open court ball handler too – Carney’s a finisher, but I don’t want him having the ball anywhere on the fast break except at the very end of it. Anyways I’m not saying there aren’t huge similarities between the two, just saying I don’t think they completely overlap. I agree that I’d still view SF as a need too…Carney’s looked great lately though, I might see it as less of a need if his good play hol up.

by plinytheelder on Jan 14, 2009 12:56 AM CST reply actions  

I still think

SF is an area that needs to be addressed, but now it’s gone from gawd awful terrible to hey, we might have something here. If we can find a legit starting quality SF in the draft or through a deal, having Carney come off the bench would be a nice option. If he keeps this up then yes, I think Brewer might be kind of redundant. Maybe if we get some fresh blood in here in the front office they won’t be afraid to trade some of the players on this team that were drafted high and have not shown to be the players we thought they would be when drafted.

by wolfen on Jan 14, 2009 7:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Carney on Parker

You mean he’d give up more than 52

by WinTheLottery on Jan 14, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I think anyone who watched the game

can make a serious argument that Brewer played him well that night. First off, it wasn’t only Brewer – Telfair guarded him too, and I think Parker did much more damage against him than Brewer. Second, Parker is a great player who was having a great night, feeling it, and simply trying to score every time he touched the ball – so at that point it’s a question of making things difficult for him. And I think Brewer did that and more – he altered several shots (one right at the end of the 1st half if I remember right), made things difficult, even though he couldn’t “stop” him (who can?). I’ll take Brewer guarding him any day.

by plinytheelder on Jan 14, 2009 7:40 PM CST up reply actions  

it's painfully obvious...

dat Carney has played better than Brewer has in the NBA. By far mayn.

With dat sed doe, we cant give up on Brewer yet mayn. Hid defense is great mayn, but i have a theory dat Corey pounds a pint of gin (a la Keon Clark mayn) befo every game. When he in de open court, der’s no way he not blackout drunk or close mayn! i know when i be sippin on de drank i stumble round but no where near like wut Corey duz! He be wobbly like he gone off dat sherm piece mayn!

MAYN HOL UP!

by MAYNHOLUP on Jan 14, 2009 10:00 AM CST reply actions  

Carney had 2 full seasons of rubbish under his belt before breaking out in the last month. Brewer has only one a few games. Lets give him some time.

by Pants_ on Jan 14, 2009 4:48 PM CST up reply actions  

rubbish

mayn you must be british mayn cuz i aint heard de word rubbish since i wuz up in Sri Lanka wit sum ‘mates’ mayn gittin thowed wit dem tamil tigers DATS REALK TALK GOOGLE DEM MAYN! Shout out to all britains mayn i like yall mayn!

Also i looked on de site today and it had me sayin MAYN HOL UP dat dis iz sum siberian municipal thang righ here. Either way mayn it’s TWolves all day everyday let’s git it crackin!

MAYN HOL UP!

by MAYNHOLUP on Jan 14, 2009 8:22 PM CST reply actions  

maybe you didn’t catch it so I’ll write it once again, after that I’m just skip all your posts.

Could you PLEASE make an effort to write in “normal” english. It’s really hard for the foreigners here (and I suppose the others as well) to know what you’re talking about.

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by Wim (Belgium) on Jan 15, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

HOL UP!

mayn Wim mayn u needa fall back mayn. Now mayn I aint trynna plex whicchu mayn but on de real mayn i on’t like dat tone a yours mayn. look mayn de way i talk be like a culture mayn and MAYNHOLUP AINT NEVA GON CONFORM 2 DE NORM MAYN!!!! aint gon happen.

Love me or hate me mayn, i gon BE sayin mayn hol up, i gon stay reppin dem Wolves, i’m gon still be chiefin on de kill an bleedin de block, gon keep reppin dat ROTHER VANDROSS an mayn if you a real Wolves fan den you gon give me daps mayn! now mayn if you need me to git my translate on an break down my words fo you i toll ya i gon do dat cuz me and you mayn we about gittin paper. MAYN. HOL. UP.

MAYN HOL UP!

by MAYNHOLUP on Jan 15, 2009 10:05 PM CST up reply actions  

wyn..

…we’ll have to run a translator for you ;)

I was stationed in Korea as a Korean linguist and one of my Korean friends spoke in a completely foreign colloquialism to me that I could hardly understand him. I completely understand where you are coming from on this. Maynholup is going to keep saying what he is going to say and he ain’t going to change. That being said, if you need translation, I’d be happy to provide it.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 15, 2009 10:16 PM CST up reply actions  

whoops...

….I meant to write “Wym” not “wyn” . See, I can’t even get English right ;)

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 15, 2009 10:16 PM CST up reply actions  

@mayn
- I’d give you your daps if only I knew what it was.
- You really don’t like my tone? Guess that’s the internet, I was trying to ask politely.

- If you’re not gonna conform to the norm, fine by me, but then don’t expect other people to make an effort for you while they’ve made an effort to comform so that everybody can enjoy their insights. I, for one, am gonna skip your posts unless I need ‘em to understand someone elses post. No offence but that’s what comes with not comforming, I’m sure you don’t mind anyway.
Anyway; this could go on aaaaall day and this aint the place for this; I’m gonna give you the last word on this so go ahead.

@snp

Off course he’s going to keep doing that and not gonna change :D. It was just a gesture of good will from my side ;).

The “daps” thing would be nice to get translated and I’m curious where the “Man, Hold up” thing comes from. I think we have something similar here: “wachteki” which means like “Oj, Wait up”. Is that like the same? We only use it when it actually has meaning tough. Like when you’ve lost someone in an explanation or you think he’s making too fast a conclusion. You wanna say like, wait wait, that’s not right …

@pliny

héhé, the “West-Vlaams”, the region I come from, is way worse than limburgs, so much that if one of us comes on tv they get subtitled by default ;). Limburgs is actually quite easy because it’s know for it’s slow speaking ;).

Als hij zichzelf belachelijk wil maken moet hij dat maar weten, hij heeft de kans gekregen.

becomes

Atnem zeneigen belacheliek wilt maken moetnem da mo weetn, net de kanse get.

Not that either of the two is anything more than gibberish to you :D (gogo google translate).

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by Wim (Belgium) on Jan 16, 2009 5:32 AM CST up reply actions  

it is like wachteki...

…how is that pronounced? wah-cha-key or watch-tek-ee or something else alltogether?

.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 16, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

my bad mayn

mayn mah bad i wuz about 6 or 7 miller lights deep when i wrote dat an i over exagerated ayn mah bad. at de end of de day mayn you like de wolves i like de wolves so we got no problem mayn!

daps iz like if i see mah boy on de street ima be like “ay Den Den whuts up mayn how you doin” you know, a kind welcome mayn.

De phrase “Mayn, hol up” be comin from Houston Rap mayn. H-Town all day mayn dey got dat boy Ro, Big Moe, Fat Pat, Big Hawk, DJ Screw, UGK, de classics mayn you know. datrs why i be talkin how i talk. Anyway mayn we cool mayn LETS GIT DIS WIN TONIGHT I CANT WATCH DE GAME CUZ MY TV SHEISTY AN I GOT NO COMPUTER BUT I GON FIND A WAY

MAYN HOL UP!

by MAYNHOLUP on Jan 16, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

ach so!

Als er sich lächerlich machen will…

Speaking of incomprehensible België talk how about this! That must be tough even for you guys no?

by plinytheelder on Jan 16, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

pliny
Well French is only my second language (I’m raised in Dutch and we get French in school from age 11) so yea I really only got a word here and there of that ;).

snp
wachteki: It’s actually 3 words in one “wacht e ki”

http://upload.ispi.be/Files/wachteki.mp3 (enjoy)

maynholup

Ok no problem man.

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by Wim (Belgium) on Jan 16, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

awesome..

….thanks

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 16, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Wim just think of it as Limburgs! Or like Wallon pour un Français!

by plinytheelder on Jan 16, 2009 12:23 AM CST up reply actions  

I like the idea of keeping both of them actually. I always liked Miller “on paper”. The guy who would be a vet (not much vets coming here and wanting to end their careers here) but if keeps passing up 3pt shots .. there’s no reason to keep hem. With Brew and Carney being SG/SF and Gomes being SF/PF … I like the versatility.
Especially considering you can put on the thumbscrews if you put both Brew and Carney in (and how bout an all out running team with Bassy, Brew, Carney …).

Use Miller in a Noah trade and get us a PG in the draft; or use him to get a PG and get Thabeet in the draft.

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by Wim (Belgium) on Jan 15, 2009 4:41 PM CST reply actions  

To get a Noah and Miller trade happening..

would likely involve us taking on Larry Hughes as the Bulls are desperately trying to move him on.

A trade like Noah and Hughes for Miller, McCants and one of Madsen or Booth works by salaries.

A simplified version is Miller for Noah and Gooden, but Gooden is an expiring deal, so I doubt the Bulls would give that up.

by Auswolf on Jan 18, 2009 4:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I think that first one would probably be....

….the starting point. I could see them trying to get Hinrich in there instead of Hughes too.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 18, 2009 7:39 AM CST up reply actions  

If we’d trade our utah pick for their chicago one (nr12 … if it stays) I’d add in Smith and would be very happy to do that trade :) (the nr1 thing)

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by Wim (Belgium) on Jan 18, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

If we can get Hinrich and Noah

den ddey needa do dat pronto mayn. i still hink Larry Hughes would be a cancer to our team larger den Rashad McCants tho and if we hav to take him on dont play him juss cut him mayn.

Still think we hud keep Miller doe!!

MAYN HOL UP!

by MAYNHOLUP on Jan 18, 2009 2:33 PM CST reply actions  

Miller is killing us...

but at this point most of the league likely knows this. I’d rather keep him than take any junk back in a trade.

With Hinrich making 8-10 million 3 more years after this season I don’t think the wolves can consider bringing him on. He’ll never be the starter on a playoff team and for that much money he’d need to be.

by Pants_ on Jan 20, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

He's not "killing" us mayn...

yea dude needs to knock down dem open shots but he’s not KILLING us mayn. He gets alot of open shots for de guards and can drive and dish to Al and Rhino alot. I thought he played absolutely fantastic in de Phoenix game and pretty well yestaday mayn. De shot will fall!!!!!!!! De boy’s too thowed a shooter for it not too. And Den we gon’ be a problem mayyynnnNNN!

MAYN HOL UP!

by MAYNHOLUP on Jan 20, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Deeba probblemb is da factob heba notbu beba takingbu da shotsbu. Ifbu hebu takingbu da shotsbu tehnbu theydbu bebu fallinbu.

(Wim – the problem is the fact he’s not been taking the shots. If he was taking the shots, then they would be falling) Sorry, just channelled the kid from Cosby. youbu knowbu the onebu. . .

Sometimes the obvious is hidden.

by frankenhoops on Jan 21, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

i mean, nah

he’s gittin open looks de shot sjuss aint fallin mayn. DEY WILL FALL DOE< TRUSS ME

MAYN HOL UP!

by MAYNHOLUP on Jan 21, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I’m surprised I haven’t read that much about this in terms of McHale talking about Miller’s failings. All we keep hearing is that the ankle isn’t right and he’ll get his game back.

Half a season of shots not falling is more than a little slump Mayn. I’ll cut him a little slack tho. As soon as he’s completely written off he’ll get his groove back. At least I hope he does.

by Pants_ on Jan 21, 2009 10:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Not really. That was the problem in the first half of the season. Now he’s not even hitting the shots he’s taking. Over a certain stretch (latest 10 or something?) he had 15% from 3point…

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by Wim (Belgium) on Jan 22, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Anyone else think that Carney should be at least

getting more minutes, if not starting? Name one thing that Mike Miller gives us that Carney doesn’t? And Carney gives you so much more defense and athleticism. Maybe they’re hoping Miller breaks out shooting-wise so he increases his trade value. But man I really think Carney should be getting the bulk of the minutes at the SF position. And while we’re at it, let’s stop this nonsense with Love coming off the bench. That cat needs to start.

by wolfen on Jan 25, 2009 10:02 PM CST reply actions  

exactly, how much more do you want Love to “earn” it. Smith was before him in line because Smith has been there longer but come on man, are we doing eduction or basketball? He earned it “dubbel en dik”!

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by Wim (Belgium) on Jan 26, 2009 5:30 AM CST up reply actions  

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