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Building a winner

 

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With the season nearly 1/2 gone, the win streak over, and all eyes on the league standings because of the Marko/Clipper pick, it's now time to talk about the issues that face this team going forward.  What do they need and what should they do?  Let's run this down in 2 sections: front office/coaching and personnel.  

Front office/coaching:

The most pressing issue facing the squad is the coach and front office.  Will Kevin McHale be at the end of the bench at the opening tip of the 2009/10 season?  Will Toronto Ron, Jesus Jim, and Freddie Iowa run the front office in Triangle of Accountability fashion?  Will Papa Glen bring in an honest-to-Pete professional GM to run the ship? 

While things have turned around a bit of late, this team is still built on the backs of a rather large contingent of McHale blunders and I believe Wolves fans should begin to brace themselves for a continuation of the status quo.  If the Wolves win between 25-30 games, and if the current trend of player development continues, it would be very hard to argue that the Wolves could find a coach that would improve upon what McHale is already doing at the end of the bench.  He clearly has his in-game flaws, but if this team continues to play as it should have since the beginning of the year, and if guys like Kevin Love, Sebastian Telfair, and Ryan Gomes continue to show solid development, McHale should be brought back as a coach.  What other available coach can bring around this type of improvement?  Sam Mitchell? Flip Saunders?  Sorry folks. Not going to happen.

Of course, it follows that if McHale stays, the likelihood of a new GM being brought in goes out the window, as any new front office director would want to put their own stamp on the ball club and that typically begins with their choice of coach.  What young and promising front office professional in his right mind would take a job with a built-in coach who also happens to be the guy who put together the talent on the floor?  My guess is that such a creature does not exist.

Hoopus Prediction:

Kevin McHale will remain at the head of the bench and Ron/Fred/Jim will man the front office with input from the head coach.  The Pat Reusse conspiracy theory here is that as long as McHale is employed by this club he will have the last say on personnel matters.  I think it is clear that those days are over.  Papa Glen kicked McHale out of the front office and told him (explicitly or not) to coach or else.  This year's draft is very important and bringing in a new GM would raise numerous schedule and logistical challenges.  There is something to be said about continuity, even in down times. 

Hoopus Prescription:

If the Wolves continue improving both their record and personnel development Kevin McHale should be retained and the front office trio should be allowed to operate throughout the draft and free agency provided that McHale's role is reduced to that of what Minnesota coaches have enjoyed in the past.  If McHale is going to atone for what he did to Dwane Casey, then he should be treated like Mr. Casey when it comes to the duties of his old job.  We have talked about bringing in a real GM quite a bit here at Hoopus but if pressed to make an actual change, the twin constraints of time and continuity make a practical change in this particular off-season (which just happens to be the most important off-season in team history; a make-or-break culmination of both the KG and Mayo trades) a tough proposition.  Like it or not this is the crew that is going to see this thing through and that fact will not change.  The time to make the change was at the firing of Witt.  It didn't happen and this group, for better or worse, is what fans will have to deal with this off-season.

Personnel, pt i: Free Agency:

When the Mayo/Love deal went down one of the first things the team discussed was the impact that the deal would have on the 09 and 10 free agency seasons.  According to our handy-dandy contract page the Wolves are currently on the books for roughly $50.6 mil minus cap holds and options (including one for the short-on-time Rashad McCants).  Assuming they walk away from the draft with about $4 mil in guaranteed contracts (it could be more or less depending on where and who they pick), our favorite squad is looking at coming in somewhere in the neighborhood of $7 mil below the salary cap should the rest of the roster remain the same.  In this economy this is probably enough to land a decent mid-level player but probably not enough to bring in anyone of significance. 

The elephant in the team's off-season room (and pre-trading deadline room) is Mike Miller.  Miller is both the team's most valuable trading asset and salary cutting measure.  Should the Wolves be able to move his contract (+ either Cardinal's or Collins') to, say, Cleveland for an expiring Wally Szczerbiak, they would immediately open up an additional $9-15 mil for use in the 09 free agent market.  While Miller certainly possesses hypothetical trade value, removing his money from the books is the #1 concrete way this team can be the biggest players in a relatively uncontested free agency season.  In other words, Miller needs to be moved for an expiring deal before the year ends. With Randy Foye showing promise at the 2, Miller is a luxury this team cannot afford; a non-shooting sharp shooter who doesn't play a lick of defense at the position the Wolves need athleticism, rebounding, and defense from: the 3.

Let's take a quick look at some free agents of note:

  1. Marvin Williams (restricted)- The Atlanta SF should be the Wolves' #1 free agent target.  He has youth, athleticism and as a former #2 pick, he still has worlds of upside. 
  2. Trevor Ariza (unrestricted)- Young? Check.  Can rebound like hell? Check.  Defensive wiz? Check.  Legit size and athleticism? Check. 
  3. Mehmet Okur (ETO)- Utah's starting center has experience playing next to an undersized 4 as well as being more perimeter oriented on offense.  Okur could be a solid option should Nikola Pekovic send the club signals that he does not want to come over.
  4. Hedo Turkoglu (ETO)- Hedo is about to turn 30 but would be a solid fit on the Wolves. He's Miller with size and a desire to shoot. Will Orlando be able to keep him after overpaying for Rashard Lewis?  Can Hedo keep it up for 4 more years?  He is definitely a risk/reward proposition at this point in his career. 
  5. Ramon Sessions (unrestricted restricted; h/t to Norsktroll in the comments)-  The Milwaukee PG could be an option should the Wolves fail to land a PG in the draft.  He and Bassy could hold down the position for years.
  6. Hakim Warrick (restricted)-  The Memphis forward is coming on this year and is deserving of a look. 
  7. Ben Gordon (unrestricted)- Gordon is having himself a decent year in Chicago.  Wolves fans who feel burned by the O.J. Mayo trade should like Gordon for his ability to score in a similar manner as the Memphis guard.  He may not have the tools to be a Mayo-esque play maker but he does several things that Mayo may never develop into; namely, get to the line.
  8. Josh Childress (restricted)-  He plays in Greece.  You may have heard of him. 
  9. Matt Barnes (unrestricted)- Vet who hustles. 
  10. Bobby Jackson (unrestricted)- Vet who hustles. 

Personnel, pt. ii: Trades:

The yin to the free agent yang is the trade market.  Another way in which Miller + Cardinal can be deployed is to be combined with other assets in a trade to bring on an established player.  Let's take a look-see at some players that could help the squad:

  1. Gerald Wallace- Wolves fans have been on Wallace's bandwagon for a while.  He actually has a fairly decent contract going forward and offers all of the things the Wolves would like to see at the 3: solid defense, athleticism, size, and a decent amount of offense.
  2. Caron Butler- Butler is still young enough to be effective.  He doesn't have the long range game that would be ideal alongside Big Al and Love but he does offer a tip-top mid-range game with grit and defense. 
  3. Tayshaun Prince- A bit long in the tooth but if he wants out of Detroit he'd be a fantastic fit here in Minny. 
  4. Andrei Kirilenko- Would be #1 if not for his absurd contract.  He makes a ton of money.  Otherwise, he's the perfect fit for the Wolves.
  5. Ty Thomas- Can he play the Josh Smith role? Defensive monster from the weak side?
  6. Brandan Wright- Nelly doesn't deserve this guy.  He has underperformed by a mile on the boards but the talent is still there.
  7. Joe Johnson- If they can pry him loose....
  8. Rip Hamilton- Old but good...and apparently a bit disgruntled.

Personnel, pt. iii: The Draft:

This one needs no introduction so let's get started with our current draft board:

  1. James Harden
  2. Blake Griffin
  3. Jrue Holiday
  4. Evan Turner
  5. Hasheem Thabeet

The Next 5: Danny Green, Earl Clark, Cole Aldrich, Stephen Curry, Ty Lawson

Dark Horses: Nick Calathes, Ty Hansbrough, Ty Smith, Jarvis Varnado, Kyle Singler, Chase Budinger, Willie Warren

Internationals: Ricky Rubio, Brandon Jennings, Victor Claver

I still have Harden at the top of the list because I believe he offers exactly the type of impact in the back court as Griffin does in the front court.  Obviously, if the Wolves have the 1st pick they have to consider trade value (esp with Griffin and 2 other PFs on the roster), but Harden should be at the top of his list as he is clearly the best guard in the draft (again, I don't know how to rank internationals so you need to account for Rubio and Jennings). 

I want readers to start paying attention to Jrue Holiday, Jarvis Varnado, Evan Turner, and...sigh...Kyle Singler, a Dukie. 

As if it isn't clear already, the Wolves are in need of help in a few key areas: point, the 3, and a legit athletic front court player.  Take a look at their positional stats:

Minnesota Timberwolves

08-09
Ranks (Net)
PER Difference
POS
Pts
FG%
Reb
Ast
T/O
FTA
PER
Opp
Rank
PG 29   30   30   17   15   21   11.8  20.5  30  
SG 13   21   4   20   14   14   15.8  14.9  12  
SF 30   28   14   21   16   28   11.1  17.9  29  
PF 18   25   15   9   29   12   16.1  18.7  24  
C 2   24   16   17   9   6   21.4  18.0  8  

Net Production by Position

Position
FGA
eFG%
FTA
iFG
Reb
Ast
T/O
Blk
PF
Pts
PER*
PG
-2.3   -.109   -0.9   0%  -1.7   -0.2   -0.1   -0.1   -2.2   -6.5   -8.7  
SG
1.0   -.006   0.1   7%  1.4   -0.5   -0.0   -0.2   -0.2   1.2   +0.9  
SF
-3.6   -.051   -2.7   -2%  0.1   -0.5   -0.1   0.0   -1.0   -7.2   -6.9  
PF
0.5   -.058   0.6   21%  0.2   0.5   -0.7   -1.0   0.6   -1.2   -2.6  
C
7.6   -.043   1.8   -3%  0.4   -0.3   0.2   -1.3   1.3   7.8   +3.4  

With Rashad McCants, Rodney Carney, and possibly Mike Miller headed out the door, and with Sebastian Telfair being the only real point on the squad, the Wolves need to address their perimeter more than anything else.  This team does not--I repeat: does not!!!--need to draft a center for drafting a center's sake.  It is not the most pressing need on the team with the possibility of Pekovic coming over in 2010 and with Big Al holding his own at the position.  This team needs another guard and a 3 in a bad, bad way.

Hoopus Prediction:

The Wolves will put too much stock in their recent win streak/solid play and fail to move Mike Miller and/or Brian Cardinal's contract before the Feb. trading deadline.  (It goes like this: If they were this good without Miller playing well, how good will they be when he "gets it"?) This will significantly impact their ability to operate in free agency during the 2009 off-season as well as their ability to put together a meaningful sign-and-trade package for an upper-level/up-and-coming talent.  They will instead focus on the draft and end up with 2 players, one of them being Tyler Hansbrough (who would actually be fantastic in the role of The Artist Formerly Known as the Rhino).  The status quo will then deliver them a significant amount of cap space in the 2010 off-season which they will be unable to utilize because of the increased competition. 

Hoopus Prescription:

Mike Miller should be traded as soon as possible. The ideal move would be Miller + Cardinal to Cleveland for Wally.  This would free up a significant amount of cap space for the 2009 off-season; a market in which they would then be the top player in the league.  They should also not extend any options to the existing expiring contracts on the squad.  This would then bring them into the draft with 10 contracts, up to 4 1st rounders, and a boat load of cap space. 

The team will then need to deploy its resources with a two-pronged strategy.  They have 2 major pressing needs: a point that can either start or evenly split time with Bassy and a 3 that can allow Ryan Gomes to come off the bench.  There are a few caveats here; namely, if the team is able to draft James Harden or Blake Griffin they should do so without hesitation and then focus on getting the most value for their selection in a trade (for either pick or an existing player).  One way or another, these 2 needs need to be addressed in the draft and free agency.  Let's take a look at what is available at each position. Each player will be designated with either a "D" (draft), "FA" (free agent), or "T" (trade).

Points:

  1. Ricky Rubio (D),
  2. Jrue Holiday (D),
  3. Ramon Sessions (FA),
  4. Ty Lawson (D),
  5. Brandon Jennings (D),
  6. Stephen Curry (D),
  7. Bobby Jackson (FA)

As you can see, this year's draft has the potential to be fairly decent at the point. You can even add guys like Nick Calathes and Patrick Mills to the mix.  The bottom line here is that the team probably has a better chance of receiving value at the point in the draft than it does through free agency unless it wants to attempt to pursue someone a bit longer in the tooth like Mike Bibby or Bobby Jackson.

Small forwards:

  1. Marvin Williams (FA/T)
  2. Trevor Ariza (FA)
  3. Andrei Kirilenko (T)
  4. Caron Butler/Gerald Wallace (T)
  5. Tayshaun Prince (T)
  6. Earl Clark (D)
  7. Chase Budinger (D)
  8. Kyle Singler (D)

I think this is the position where the Wolves will have to do a little wheeling-and-dealing.  Guys like Butler, Wallace, AK47, and Prince all would require significant assets in order to acquire.  Ariza is a bit on the raw side and Williams is a RFA who would likely require some sort of sign-and-trade to keep overpayment down.  Should they simply toss off an offer to Atlanta they would effectively be putting all of their free agent eggs in a single basket for 10 days while Atlanta decides to match or not.  By negotiating a sign-and-trade, they can hit the ground running and avoid any loss of control that would come about by simply issuing an offer to Williams. 

Depending on how the lottery plays out the Wolves could be in a position to draft their way into value while saving money under the cap for a bolder free agent move (like Okur or Hedo) or for a bigger signing down the road. 

If they don't luck out in the lotto, they will then be faced with the question of how to field their assets in order to a) get the pick they want and b) get the player they want (whether by way of cap space or trade value).  If the lotto provides them with either Rubio or Holiday and they retain the Heat pick in a place where Clark, Budinger, or Singler is available, I think they sit tight, count their blessings (and cash), and wait until next off-season to make any additional moves.  If they are further down in the draft I think they first call up Atlanta and see what they would be wiling to take for Marvin Williams.  If Atlanta is not receptive to this offer, or if they needed more assets to move up in the draft to get their guard, then they get on the horn to Trevor Ariza and offer him a contract that will guarantee him, his children, and his children's children comfort for life. I should also note that if the Wolves can move Miller's contract (+ any additional assets to a reasonable extent) for one of the 7 existing players listed below, they should do so; Gerald Wallace is probably the most likely candidate for this proposition.)

Let's lay down these assets in terms of overall talent:

Existing players:

  1. AK47
  2. Caron Butler
  3. Tayshaun Prince
  4. Gerald Wallace
  5. Trevor Ariza
  6. Marvin Williams
  7. Ramon Sessions

Draft:

  1. Ricky Rubio
  2. Jrue Holiday
  3. Ty Lawson
  4. Brandon Jennings
  5. Earl Clark
  6. Chase Budinger
  7. Kyle Singler

Now let's rank these players in terms of ease of acquirement:

  1. Kyle Singler
  2. Chase Budinger
  3. Ty Lawson
  4. Brandon Jennings
  5. Earl Clark
  6. Ramon Sessions
  7. Trevor Ariza
  8. Jrue Holiday
  9. Marvin Williams
  10. Ricky Rubio
  11. Gerald Wallace
  12. Tayshaun Prince'
  13. Caron Butler
  14. AK47

My guess is that if Ricky Rubio comes out, he will be quite the commodity.  The basic formula here is that you try to maximize value by getting as much talent as you can for the assets you have.  We'll adjust this list as we start to find out who is going to be in the draft or not but you get the basic idea.  The most talent the Wolves could hypothetically bring in with this formula is AK47 and Rubio.  The easiest would probably be Kyle Singler and Ty Lawson. 

Personnel, pt. iv: Pet projects:

Following a guard and a legit 3, this team's biggest need is either a positionally flexible backup at the 4/5 or an athletic front court player with good length. I have 3 players in mind: Joakim Noah, Ty Thomas, and Brandan Wright. If the Wolves can acquire any one of these players for something involving Craig Smith + the Utah or Boston draft picks, they should not hesitate to do so.

Well, that about does it.  I wish we had something else to say about the coaching and front office situation but there just doesn't appear to be enough time to make it work; nor does it appear likely that a new GM would come in with McHale as the head coach.  In the mean time, the team needs to set itself up to trade Miller (and hopefully Cardinal) for as large of an expiring deal as possible.  They then need to position themselves for a point and a small forward in the upcoming off-season through free agency and the draft.  Ideally they would retain a large amount of money under the cap ($10-12 mil) to a) save in the 09 season and b) spend down the line on Pekovic and re-upping a core player.  Right now if I had to pick an ultimate scenario it would be this:

  1. Sebastian Telfair/Ricky Rubio
  2. Randy Foye/Corey Brewer
  3. AK47/Ryan Gomes
  4. Kevin Love/(Wright/Thomas/Noah)
  5. Al Jefferson/(Wright/Noah)

I'd also like them to find a way to draft a guy out of Mississippi State named Jarvis Varnado.  Defense and shot blocking of the bench would be quite nice to have.  If I had to pick the most doable situation with the highest value, I would go with this:

  1. Sebastian Telfair/Jrue Holiday
  2. Randy Foye/Corey Brewer
  3. Gerald Wallace/Ryan Gomes
  4. Kevin Love/(HansbroughVarnado)/Gomes
  5. Al Jefferson/Love/(Hansbrough/Varnado)

Ideally, they could get Thomas, Noah, or Wright to fill out a front court position.  What combos do you think are optimal?  Which ones are realistic?  Who would you add?  What do we have right?  What are we missing?  How would you build this club?  We look forward to your input. 

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Wow

That was an amazingly well thought out post. Thanks!

by FishingMN on Jan 15, 2009 7:28 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

thanks

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 15, 2009 3:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

S anduh P--Wonderful!

I’m going to read this three more times before I respond. But lemme just say that back in my day, we had these things called “newspapers.” Newspapers would assign “beat writers” to provide writers with in-depth coverage of subjects about which the readers were passionate. Good beat writers could both sate and fuel that passion, creating an interdependency that delivererd consistent advertisers and huge profit margins for the newspaper publishers.

If you were born fifty years earlier, you would be one of those “beat writers.” Other newspapers would regularly dangle tempting offers to you, and it would only be a matter of time before the right combination of audience and salary would cause you to move. I’m very thankful that today, no matter where you go, we’ll be able to follow your work via the Series of Tubes.

by PoorDick on Jan 15, 2009 8:43 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

much appreciated

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 15, 2009 3:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Post of the year...

(I know it’s only 15 days old). Broken down very nicely pops. I few random ramblings about some players you mentioned…. First off I’m not saying Holiday is bad, I’ve only seen him play one game. But I HAVE seen Darren Collison play this year and in the past and he is 2X the point guard Holiday is now. He doesn’t have the physical tools of Holiday (skinny) but he has almost every attribute an NBA PG needs, and he could probably be had mid/late round 1. So add him to your list please. Evan Turner, love him, he is so much like Roy. I don’t think he will come out this year. Another big ommission from your list is DuJuan Summers of Georgetown. He’s the definition of nba SF. I just don’t know if he’ll be coming out. There’s something about AK47 that tells me he wouldn’t fit on this team. I like Wallace a lot better. A good offspring, in my opinion (which may not be worth much) would bring in this lineup next year:
Telfair/Curry
Foye/Brewer
Summers/Gomes
Al/Love
Okur/Ty Thomas

by wolfen on Jan 15, 2009 8:52 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'll keep an eye on Summers...

….I’ve seen Georgetown twice this year and Monroe has been the one to catch my eye. Also, Collison is someone who is having a great year and would be of great value down the line. I’ll put him in the mix.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 15, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I have to second his comments

Collison is looking very solid this year, and has had more of a chance to shine as the supporting cast has not been as good as it was in the past. He would be a good pickup mid-late 1st round, but buyer beware, he is not as much of a creator as is given credit, but he is a solid outside shooter and ball handler. I think I would take him over Ty Lawson at this point.

by Laughing Stock on Jan 16, 2009 5:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry Fellers

I know that the Wizards suck and for some reason that automatically makes Caron Butler a target for a trade fodder (and yes, you’ve ranking him next to last in ease of acquirement — should be below AK)…..but I don’t see him as even being close to the realm of availability.

On Jarvis Varnado…know a lot about him.

Rail thin…85% chance that he returns to school for his senior year…only 6’9" and still developing offense

But he has the absolute uncanny ability of timing in blocking shots. If he expects to stick in the NBA, he’ll have to play with more pep and learn to run more.

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by Truth About It on Jan 15, 2009 9:02 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

He would be very hard to get...

….and I think once the Wiz get everyone healthy a Arenas, Young, Butler perimeter trio will be tough. Varnado is an interesting player. If he’s going to make it it will be because of defense.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 15, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Tremendous post

and lots of work. I like a lot of the trade ideas too – though I am not as optimistic that we have willing partners.

I will disagree with you on what the most pressing need is. We need a tall, sharp shooting 2 guard immediately, not someone to play 3. The 3 position is already adequately covered by Gomes/Brewer/Carney. Yeah, it would be nice to have a more studly 3, but these 3 guys have enough mix and match talents to adequately cover the 3 (and at a very affordable price).

We need a 2. The ideal guy would be in the mold of say, Raja Bell. Or Brent Barry (obviously not the current, 37 yr old Berry, but the 27 year old version). Someone who is legit 6’5, 6’6", who shoots 43% from 3, near 50% overall. Someone who can adequately defend (does NOT need to be a total lock down defender as Gomes/Brewer could flip flop men with the 2).

A 2 in this mode solves several problems. It makes up for the lack of size of Telfair/Foye playing the 1/2 against some teams. It brings 2 3 point shooters to the table at crunch time (Foye and New 2) eliminating the problem we saw Tuesday night. It spaces the floor better for Al.

If he were just a little bigger, we would have the right guy already in the organization – Ass’t GM Fred Hoiberg. But I think you get the point.

The next need is a legit 7’ 4/5, who can defend. Some offensive skills preferred, though not required. I like Noah (I like Thomas much more, but I think Chicago would be foolish to trade him as I see an athleticism/upside far greater than Noah). Another one I like is the other Lopez twin, Robin, in Phoenix. He played great in Shaq’s absence earlier this year. High energy guy who can run. I think either one of these guys could be had – Noah because he has had issues in Chicago; Lopez because Phoenix has gone to Amundson instead (Amundson plays a lot like a baby Shaq which makes him a better fit)

Phoenix (and to a lesser degree Chicago) need to win now. We need to be tempting them with Miller, Smith and some lower 1st round draft picks. Phoenix might just bite on Lopez/Tucker for Smith and one of our non lottery 1st. The Chicago trade for Noah involving Smith/McCants has been well discussed.

I don’t follow the draft much at all. I am a pure Gopher college fan. Who are the big 2’s possible coming out this year? I should watch them a little bit so that could offer some reasonable comments.

If we could get these 2 needs filled in 2009, I would start deferring assets to 2011. I agree completely, we will NOT compete well for players in 2010. Plus, we need to let this mix grow for a year to see what is missing. As I said before, our core group would still all be under 30 yr old in 2011.

I think the last thing we all need to consider is this – Taylor is in a conserve cash / cut loss mode. I detailed this in a post over at Britt Robison’s blog several weeks ago ~ 7 actions taken in the last 2-3 years which I believe were cash driven. As a result, I really don’t have as much cap space as you might think. (Example – I am convinced that McHale is coaching partly because Glen refused to add another coaching salary). So deals for players like AK and Wallace are somewhat pipe dreams in that I believe Glen will not pay either their salary or the luxury tax that would certainly happen after signing the other 13 players to play with them and Al.

by Just A Fan on Jan 15, 2009 9:15 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Sadly, the last paragraph

pretty much sums up the prevalent mood of management. They’ll never admit it, of course, and even if confronted with irrefutable evidence of their Frugality First attitude, they can claim that “It’s for the Free Agent Frenzy!” Then, by the time 2010 has come and gone, they can say it’s because they need to re-up the Small Three.

by PoorDick on Jan 15, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Completely agree. They're just using the 2010 free agency

pipedream as a way to keep fans around while they’re clearly in penny pincher mode.

by roundhouse on Jan 15, 2009 8:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My only hope

is that the team gels quicker and stronger than expected, and Glen gets wind of a possible title. I still think he’s enough of a fan that he’d spend to win (even in this climate). But signing max free agents to get to 45 wins? Ain’t gonna happen. Much more likely to keep throwing 1st rounders against the wall to see what sticks.

by PoorDick on Jan 15, 2009 8:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair to Glen...

…he has spent a ton of money on this team when it looks like they would be close. The guy is not afraid of spending on a winner. I think he’s enabled McHale to no end and he was classless with KG’s “tanking” but the guy has never been afraid to spend money to win.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 15, 2009 9:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You're right

but the question is of “has neve been” versus “will be.” We’re in a new economic era here. I’m guessing that his private businesses aren’t in a whole lot better financial shape than the Wolves are (i.e. hanging in there, but not exactly cash cows). It’s one thing to blow extra cash on the way to winning. It becomes something else when it’s purely a business decision.

But! Here’s hoping the economy has bottomed out, if for no other reason than to generate some money for free agents.

by PoorDick on Jan 15, 2009 11:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well..

…you’re right about Carlson Craft. It’s not a good time for the wedding invite industry. We have several neighbors with family members who have quit there recently. Some of them worked for the post-it part of the company.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 16, 2009 7:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Like your idea about

Robin Lopez, although I wish his first name was Brook. I’ve seen them both play a little this year and Brook looks better than Robin. Partially because Brook gets so much burn and Robin has probably zero plays ran through him. I wonder if Robin would do as well as Brook if he was in Jersey. But ya, I like that deal. I somewhat disagree with your assessment of the 2 position. I think Foye has a stronghold on that and won’t let go. Yes he has some deficiencies defensively but if the opponent has a dynamic 2 that needs to be guarded during different points in the game we could put Brewer or Carney on him. But if you are looking at 2’s, James Harden is the cream of the crop. He’ll be gone in the first 3 picks. Excellent size and and excellent feel for the game. Not sure he’s a great defender though. Other 2’s that will go in the first round of the draft are DeMarr DeRozan (USC), Willie Warren (OK), Tyreke Evans (Memphis), James Anderson (OK St.), and Gerald Henderson (duke). Henderson is freakishly athletic and and excellent defender. Probably the best defender of that bunch. But he’ll never have starting quality 2 guard scoring ability if you ask me. Now Evan Turner of Ohio State, he would be a nice option, but I don’t think he’ll come out this year. He is 6-7 and could play both SG and SF.

by wolfen on Jan 15, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Foye at 2

Wolfen,

I agree with you regarding Foye at 2. But as a tweener, I think Foye gets 20-22 minutes at SG and 10-12 minutes at PG. That still leaves 26-28 minutes for the new SG.

You ultimately have to address the PG spot. But I feel in the limited time last year/this year it has been used, that the Bassey/Foye split is serviceable. If you go to the PG first, the dilemma I think you have is that when Foye sits, you could end up without a shooter on the floor (still would be playing Love, Brewer, maybe Carney in the 2nd group). Finding a true PG who hits the 3 is a very rare find. That is why I am more focused on the SG.

And thanks for the list of college SG. I am going to start looking around to see them play.

by Just A Fan on Jan 15, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

foye

everything i’ve seen of him makes me think he’ll be a great 6th man, 1st guard off the bench type guy. a better 2 than point, but for the most part comes in when a starter gets tired. no disrespect to the guy, but with the wolves likely draft position, you don’t draft worried about foye’s spot in the rotation. you draft the bpa.

if the lottery gods smile on the wolves, i think you have to grab griffin and work out the details later. deal jefferson, love whoever and fill in some holes. there are plenty to fill. really, every spot but pf could use an upgrade if the team has serious plans to be a contender in a few years. of bassy, foye, gomes, (insert random stiff center here) is it likely that more than one could start on a great team? i say it’s doubtful, so you draft talent and roll. seeing how deep this draft seems to be with point guards, it’d be a fair guess to say that’s what you guys end up with.

depending on who’s on the board, it might even be a good call to deal the first round pick to trade down a couple spots and maybe add another player to the mix who can help the team along. the draft this year doesn’t seem to be overly talented and does seem to have a lot of guys on a similar level. with the amount of spots to be filled on the wolves, trading down and adding another piece seems like it could work out well.

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by cap'n hack on Jan 16, 2009 1:19 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I definitely think..

…there will be some wheeling-and-dealing on draft day, especially if they get all 4 1st rounders. If they get the 1st pick it will definitely be interesting to see what they do. My guess is that if Rubio is in the draft they take him no questions asked unless they can work out a trade where they land the best point available as well as an additional player. I completely agree with your take on Foye. The guy would be an excellent 6th man. However, if he continues to play like he has in the last 10, he’s a starter.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 16, 2009 7:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

completely forgot

how many first rounders the wolves may have. so, maybe if that works out, you don’t bother trading down just because you’ll have so many cracks at a legitimate player. hell, you could even trade one away all together for spare parts. lots of options.

and foye has been playing out of his mind recently. i still think he ends up as a better sixth man than anything else, but the sort of sixth man who’s in the game for 25-30 minutes. of course, like you said, if he keeps this up, things are different.

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by cap'n hack on Jan 16, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Lopez twins

should have switched identities right before the draft. Then Robin would have received a nice high-lotto pick contract before his lack of skills became evident. And Brook would get paid after his lower first-round contract ran out.

by PoorDick on Jan 15, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks...

….I hear what you’re saying about the 2 but I think Foye cements himself into the position this year and even though he presents matchup issues and I think he’s ultimately best served coming off the bench, practically speaking, the Wolves need him to succeed at the 2. If I could pluck out any player from college ball, it would be Turner and I would put him right at the 2/3. He’s everything you’re talking about at the 2.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 15, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Short fact check

Ramon Sessions will be a restricted free agent, unlike reported by the Memphis Commercial Appeal. Josh Childress only if Atlanta makes him a qualifying offer (every year), which is fairly likely.

by Norsktroll on Jan 15, 2009 10:48 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I've seen a few conflicting reports on that...

…and I tend to go with Sham Sports:

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/bucks.jsp

Thanks for the fact check. Where did you see the Sessions info?

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 15, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Frank Madden from Brewhoop, and it's consistent with general league rules for a second round pick on a minimum rookie contract

http://www.brewhoop.com/2009/1/11/716997/rumormill-conley-for-sessi

As for the Bucks’ cap concerns, let’s start with a couple clarifications. Tillery incorrectly states that Sessions will be an unrestricted free agent this summer; he’s not. Like Charlie Bell two summers ago, Sessions will be restricted since he’ll have played three seasons or fewer in the league. That means the Bucks will have the right to match any offer sheet Sessions signs and that the first year of the deal cannot be for more than the mid-level exception (the Gilbert Arenas rule). The MLE will probably be in the $6 million range, but at the moment I don’t see Sessions having the leverage to get that kind of deal anyway—unless he goes bonkers in the final 40 games of the season, which perhaps isn’t so crazy. Philly’s Lou Williams would seem to be the most obvious comparable—he was a good scoring combo off the bench for Philly last year and got himself $25 million over five years.

by Norsktroll on Jan 15, 2009 5:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

excellent...

…thank you very much.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 15, 2009 6:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No interest in Kirk Hinrich?

USE THE SOFTWARE. Actions-> Rec/Flag. Reply to comments with the reply button. Rec good fanposts/fanshots so the crud gets pushed down.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 15, 2009 10:53 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I was serious!

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 15, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well,

I shouldn’t really comment, I haven’t seen him play much lately, I remember liking him in the past, a bit erratic but a good shooter.

One problem the Wolves will have, if they want to stick with Foye and Telfair in the backcourt and bring someone else in to run a 3-man rotation, is that the new guy will have to be able to play some 2, since Telfair is pretty much only a 1. Either that or get a totally stud 1 who will make Telfair a 10-minute-per-game backup…not sure Hinrich is that guy.

by plinytheelder on Jan 15, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hinrich can play the 2...

But I wouldn’t want him there for major minutes.

John Hollinger assessment…

"Hinrich is an agile defender who can guard either backcourt spot, though he gives up inches at the 2 and tends to get into foul trouble at that position "

I tend to be more pro-Kirk than perhaps most people, but will acknowledge he has a terrible contract.

by highpockets on Jan 15, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not unless...

…1/2 his salary is paid for and he comes with Thomas or Noah. That’s a big contract to take on for a position they can likely fill in the draft.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 15, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

PS:

I think highpockets hits it. I like Hinrich but that damn contract is just too much of a cost when the Wolves have the potential for a lot of picks in a PG heavy draft. Foye will be at 1 guard next year no matter what. Bassy has 1/2 the point down. Hinrich fits the part but he’s overpaid for what the Wolves can get for much less in the draft.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 15, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I too enjoyed the post, I have one question

about front office stuff: why don’t you think a GM would come here with McHale as coach? Maybe this is a naive question: obviously league insiders know that McHale has done some major damage to this team. But what about this scenario: McHale keeps performing well for the rest of the season, with the result that the Wolves finish fairly close to .500 under him – say, 28-35, something like that. I’ve noticed that people around the league are taking notice of this – it seems to me that the Miami commentators the other night had a few good things to say about him? Can’t remember…but in any case if he keeps winning, or, um, doing OK, he’s going to look great beside Wittman.

Now imagine that they start looking for top GM candidates. I could imagine a GM with a particular personality type – a kind of easygoing guy, a bit like McHale – saying: I know McHale was a crap GM, but hey, look at the results he got with those guys. They have serious defensive deficiencies, their shooting goes into the tank from time to time, and they were abysmal under Wittman. And McHale was able to cajole them into X wins. That’s pretty good. I’m going to keep him even if I have a couple of other ideal candidates in mind, that is, I’m going to keep him until there’s a reason to fire him. I’d be crazy not too – the guy is actually a pretty good coach.

There’s a recent precedent for all this: Toronto. When Colangelo came in as GM, he kept Mitchell around even though their basketball philosophies couldn’t be more different…because Mitchell was having success. Even gave him a new contract. He didn’t fire him until the Raptors started really stinking this year.

by plinytheelder on Jan 15, 2009 11:23 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I just think..

….that McHale has too much baggage in the front office to make it work with a new GM. The guy clearly has Glen’s ear and if the fear is that he’ll override the new triangle, I can’t imagine what a new GM would face.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 15, 2009 3:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah that could

definitely take place – a new GM worrying about McHale going over his head, as it were. Thanks again!

by plinytheelder on Jan 15, 2009 4:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's never good to be the "boss"...

…when a subordinate has a direct line to the top. I’ve been in that situation before and it didn’t end well.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 15, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I remember you writing about that,

sounds like it was awful.

My hope would be that since GM jobs come up fairly rarely, there would be a bunch of guys chomping at the bit…hence it wouldn’t be too tough for Taylor to convince them to come – i.e. that the desire to be an NBA GM, even for a poor team, would outweigh any fears about McHale…especially if the job came with an assurance from Taylor that the GM had full say over everything, including the coach’s job. To use the Toronto example again (which is admittedly very different), this is basically how they got Colangelo – they told him he had final say about absolutely everything, including the coach.

Still, I realize this is wishful thinking on my part, and that McHale staying would be a real impediment to anyone seriously considering the job, especially the more coveted guys.

by plinytheelder on Jan 15, 2009 8:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm kind of torn on this point...

..2 years ago, the Wolves had KG, Blount, Davis, Hassell, Jaric, and a bunch of crap and were over the cap. Now, they have Love, Jefferson, Foye, and a ton of assets. Their front office has done some excellent things in the last 2 years and I argue whether or not I trust them for this off-season.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 15, 2009 9:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

an all-timer no less...

….I still cringe at the rumors that a Bynum deal was on the table.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 15, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I personally liked the GS deal which

had us getting either Monta, Beidrins, Al Harrington, and the #18 pick or the other version which was Monta, Beidrins, Brandan Wright, plus others to make it work.

Both the GS and Lakers offers trump what we got from the Celtics.

by roundhouse on Jan 15, 2009 9:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed....

….they got minimal value.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 15, 2009 9:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I've never bought the Golden State rumor

“Here, have ALL our under 24 guys plus expiring contracts for one player” is something no FO is idiotic enough to do, not even Golden State’s. Also, I think Minnesota teams are cursed in trading stars. The Santana deal makes the KG one look like highway robbery, and God only knows what’s going to happen with Marion Gaborik.

by McCleak on Jan 15, 2009 10:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I buy it

To have KG, B-Diddy, Steven Jackson, and Jason Richardson. That team is going places.

by roundhouse on Jan 16, 2009 2:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I've never bought into any of the rumors.

It’s a load of crap to say the Wolves could’ve gotten a better deal than they did from the Celtics. I want proof.

Besides, Jefferson, Gomes, Telfair, Green, Ratliff, 2 1sts (one in the late 20s this year and a do-over) is a very good return. I hardly think it’s minimal.

Was something better available? Absolutely, positively, no way of knowing.

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by wyn on Jan 15, 2009 11:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There is definitely something to be said about a bird in hand

The Celtic deal certainly allowed them to remain in the draft by keeping the Wally pick. “minimal” was definitely a poor choice of words. Thanks for that one. I think I was going for “less than optimal”.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 16, 2009 7:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Besides

even if that Golden State deal were real, I’m not sure the team today would be whole lot better. Of course, Nellie’s coaching skills and Ellis’s injury might have something to do with Golden State coming up short.

But still.

by PoorDick on Jan 16, 2009 8:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it was less than optimal as far as timing was concerned...

… had they done the trade earlier, like the previous year or before the draft (despite what appeared to be KG’s reservations), they probably could’ve gotten more. that i’ll agree on.

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by wyn on Jan 16, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

At that time

I had a friend very well connected with the Twolves basketball brain trust at that time. There were very few bidders and even their initial offers were mainly crap.

Could anyone believe that, just maybe, our own front office leaked fictitious “offers” to drive up the “perceived” value for the few bidders? (wink wink)

The bottom line is we were really lucky that Ainge was on the hot seat in Boston and offered as much as he did.

by Just A Fan on Jan 16, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I believe that

way more than I do the “here’s our whole team” trade offers that were bandied about.

Some day, somebody will revisit the topic of The Trade in depth and perspective. Hopefully, they’ll emphasize how fortunate Boston was to win the title last year, and how part of the reason the Wolves traded KG was the monstrous money he’s being paid, during what looks to be the twilight of his career.

Don’t get me wrong—I love the guy, and would consider cutting off my pinky finger (okay, pinky fingernail) to instead have seen Allen and Pierce traded to the Wolves, and have the title in the Twin Cities. But I just don’t think the team had much choice in dealing him.

by PoorDick on Jan 16, 2009 3:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Of course it's throw KG under the bus day, it always is it seems lately.

Well his first year on a competent team he wins a title. Blame it on the contract all you want, but I think you know who’s fault it really is!

by roundhouse on Jan 16, 2009 7:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think this front office should be allowed to have this offseason

As I’ve said before, I doubt that anyone can get up to snuff in time for the draft and free agency, and we have too many picks and too much space to gamble that much.

by McCleak on Jan 15, 2009 9:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed....

….any new guy would be wayyyyyy too short on time.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 15, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Cardinal and Miller

My question is what emphasis do you play on the winning mindset and work ethic displayed thus far by both Brian Cardinal and Mike Miller? The jury is still out on Miller, but it’s getting to the point with Cardinal that I’m starting to think he’s…gulp…worth half his salary. I’d actually be somewhat concerned if he was traded this year. I think a full year of Cardinal and Miller (Cardinal more so than Miller) may go a long way in changing the culture of the team. For me, this would happen in a perfect world…

Wolves keep Mike Miller and Cardinal for the remainder of the season before trading them next year for AK47 (wolves throw in a first rounder). Shortly after that, Cardinal is bought out by Jazz only to be resigned at the minimum by the Wolves!

What can I say…I’m falling in love!

by Blakeley on Jan 15, 2009 11:32 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah it's largely because of his smarts on D I think.

But I really like the guy too. Best team defender on the team. Er…

He passed up a few open shots last game that hurt the offence, but that can be remedied.

by plinytheelder on Jan 15, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Cardinal stay, Miller goes

I think there is an intangible with Cardinal/Love pairing that I want to see develop further. I don’t think it is a coincidence that Love’s recently strong play has occurred at the same time Cardinal got to play. Cardinal is undersized and learned how to play – I see him showing this to Love by example.

Plus, going to the frugality issue, Cardinal’s expiring contract occurs right at the time you are going to need to pay Foye.

Miller is a professional, no doubt about that. But if he can’t/won’t shoot, he really has no place on the roster. If someone came calling, I would not hesitate to send him.

Does any of the contenders have a trade exception close to Miller’s salary?

by Just A Fan on Jan 15, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Cleveland...

LA, New York (not really a contender), and Portland are the most likely single-team partners. They have big expiring deals.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 15, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What a post!

Pop, that was one of the best TWolves posts I’ve ever read. I hope Glen Taylor reads it! Now, a few comments:

I’m still not sold on Telfair as the starting PG. Telfair + Brewer as the first two guards off the bench just won’t work — neither one can shoot well enough. So if we can get Wallace, IMO it means Brewer is gone. It is really, really too bad that McCants flushed himself down the toilet. He could have been the scorer off the bench that this team needs.

Pekovic is just not the right center for this team. His strengths are Al’s strengths: low-post scoring. I see Pekovic as trade bait (or trade Al and start Pekovic and Love in 2010). Therefore we still need a backup 4/5. Either Noah or Wright sound good to me. Noah hasn’t proven himself, but it should be possible to acquire him at a low price (McCants + a second-round pick for Noah?).

by Dave T on Jan 15, 2009 11:34 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Dave...

…and I think you could be right about Pekovic’s value being more as a trade chit than anything else. He’s one of those players that, if evaluated properly, could provide excellent trade value.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 15, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Pekovic

What about trading the rights to Pekovic? Washington got a first round pick from Memphis for the rights to Juan Carlos Navarro, and the rights to Marc Gasol was supposedly what put the Pau/Kwame over the top…so there is some precedent. There are probably quite a few teams that would legitimately be interested in him as a prospect on hold. I’d be more than willing to throw him in as the sweetener in a Butler/AK/Wallace/Marvin trade.

by Blakeley on Jan 15, 2009 12:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yep..

…he could be trade bait.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 15, 2009 3:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Some excellent ideas

SNP,

     You are right on the money that the wolves should try to move Miller for a big expiring contract, especially if they can rid themselves of Cardinal’s contract as well. In the short term it might be hard to see those guys go, Cardinal in particular has done a great job these last few games and his overall basketball IQ is starting to rub off on the younger guys.

     The weakening economy may help the miller/cardinal trade become a reality. I think Glen would sign off, and McHale no longer has his veto power (we hope)…

      As you know, I think the wolves should make a run at Butler, at least offer some expiring contracts and a couple of our first round picks this year. It never hurts to ask…

     Also, I really like the idea of going after Sessions. He would be a nice fit for this squad going forward. The Bucks will likely want expiring contracts and perhaps a #1. Sessions is probably worth that.

   Great post.

The DR.

by DR_JPK on Jan 15, 2009 12:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks....

….it will be interesting to see if the Griz/Bucks trade ideas work out. I think they are Sessions + Alexander for Conley….which makes zero sense to me.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 15, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't especially like the idea of getting Sessions

because of the depth of PG in the draft and because I really really really really want Ricky Rubio. And if not him then Brandon Jennings.

Also Sessions and Telfair are really similar and neither can shoot a lick from outside.

by roundhouse on Jan 15, 2009 9:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm all in on Rubio, Jennings, or Holiday...

….I think they absolutely have to walk away with one of those guys. Holy crap….Souray absolutely killed Weller in a fight. Bring out Boogard!!!

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 15, 2009 9:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sessions

Here’s a trade the Bucks might go for:

To wolves: Sessions, Gadzuric (and his bad contract),
To bucks: for Collins and Ollie- both expiring.

by DR_JPK on Jan 15, 2009 12:53 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

After further review

The Bucks are an excellent trading partner for the Wolves:

1. A year or two ahead of (or behind!) the Wolves in the Lotto/Playoffs Cycle
2. Eastern Conference
3. Overloaded at the point (Bell, Ridnour, Sessions, Lue, and maybe Damon Jones)
4. Playing better than expected, so less likely to move Redd
5. Heavy money to Redd, Jefferson, and Bogut for the next two years
6. Probably need to re-sign Villenueva, as Alexander is wayyy behind schedule
7. May need to re-sign Ridnour eventually, too.
8. Even smaller market than the TWolves
9. Stuck with Gadzuric’s contract, who plays a position of need for the Wolves, in a style that would compliment the offensive-minded 4’s we’ve got now

They seem short-handed at the 2, so maybe we can dangle Shoddy in front of them. One downer is that they seem to be aware of how attractive Sessions is, and may try to get something better than expiring contracts in a trade.

by PoorDick on Jan 15, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If they could figure out a way to get Alexander..

….it would be excellent. Let’s make Milwaukee the subject of a Mega Deal Monday.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 15, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm intrigued and will look forward to that MDM...

And thanks SnP for all the food for thought with this excellent post!

by secretarykissinger on Jan 15, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No problem...

…thanks for keeping the Viking Bar alive and well ;) West Bank 4-evah!!

I still can’t believe they closed that place. That was my 1st 2 years in college.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 15, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i know what you mean

i was like seven or eight of my college years!

by secretarykissinger on Jan 17, 2009 7:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Mchale

My prediction is that we finish somewhere between 25 and 30 wins. Mchale will feel good about himself and then will resign due to the fact that he really does not like coaching. He will leave with mixed applause and boos.

by mmaland on Jan 15, 2009 2:59 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think that's about the only way he's not on the team next year

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 15, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

great Article,

How do I rec it? cand find the rec button?

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Jan 15, 2009 8:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Found it thanks

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Jan 15, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks....

…much appreciated.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 15, 2009 9:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yet, more kudos...

Great read. Informative and witty. I’ve come to expect nothing less from you, S&P.

I don’t wanna say you’re wasting your time here (because you ain’t), but I’m betting bigger things are in you future.

Look here junior, don't you be so happy.
And for Heaven's sake, don't you be so sad.

by E-6 on Jan 15, 2009 9:39 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I wish...

….but I’m afraid that barring a return to academia I’m meant for a life of sales. And so goes the life of a man who thought it would be a good idea to get a degree in PoliSci with a dual major in religious studies. ;) I can tell you all about how to campaign to the Christian right ;)

We’ll see. I’m on the 2nd re-write of a children’s book with a Chicago publisher so my life-long dream of writing for (something of) a living will hopefully come true. If not, I’m more than happy continuing with social work, volunteering, and lots of time at home with my fam.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 15, 2009 9:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

don't remind me

i’m just thankful i’m a few years away from hitting that dead market.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jan 16, 2009 1:20 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My one career choice...

..that has worked out was deciding to end my pursuit of a political theory PhD. Maybe the most worthless expensive piece of paper on the planet. I have several friends who went all the way through and they are now either jobless or empty nomads going from one small school to another hoping to get published. I’ve already told the kids that it’s math, science, or else.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 16, 2009 7:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

most worthless?

i’m phd track philosophy student with a focus on aesthetics. that degree might as well be a big sign that says “don’t hire me.” i can’t cait wait to get that sign, though. honestly.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jan 16, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome..

…a doctor of thought! ;)

When I started on my track I flirted with the idea of doing it in the Philosophy dept (mostly for the Dr. of Thought title) but the folks in the Polisci department were a bit more willing to work with the good folks over in Religious Studies on a joint venture on the intersection of religion and politics. How are philosophy PhDs broken up? In polisci you have American/Govt studies, theory, and so on and so forth. Govt studies is actually a pretty useful degree if you are prelaw or if you want to go into business. Theory…not so much. Is aesthetics a branch by itself?

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 16, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

saying my focus is on aesthetics means that’s what i want to write my dissertation on. it’s not likely they’d write that on the degree or anything like that. basically (simplified philosophy branch breakdown coming, tune out if uninterested) the main branches of philosophy are:

metaphysics: what is reality?
epistemology: what is knowledge?
ethics: what is good?
aesthetics: what is beautiful?

then you’ve also got logic, socio/political/legal philosophy, philosophy of langauge, etc. etc. the list goes on.

it’s pretty much a requirement that you not limit yourself to one area. you always start by taking classes in a few different disciplines. that might be my saving grace though, because if you go into an interview for a teaching position and say “i only do aesthetics,” they kick you out of the room. it’s not a sought after field.

best of luck with the children’s book, i’ve been spending this month holed up writing fiction (and posting on sb nation blogs), so i understand the stress of working toward publication.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jan 16, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Who am I and if yes how many ;-)

Sounds like a good education to get into teaching and writing later. Good luck with your degree.

by Norsktroll on Jan 16, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I second the good luck..

…and thanks for the info.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 16, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

much appreciated

i love the out of the blue community building that just happened. you guys run a good show over here.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jan 17, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

thanks..

….much appreciated.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 17, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

heh

I just published an essay on Kantian aesthetics. I figure the prospective employers should be beating down my door any minute now. ;)

by plinytheelder on Jan 16, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

what?

no way. where’d you publish it? link if you can, or at least the name of the journal. i’d definitely want to check it out, even though i’m super opposed to kant’s aesthetics. dewey is where it’s at.

i’m still waiting to hear back from one journal and submitting to a couple more soon, but congratulations to you. i’m jealous.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jan 16, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The NBA: Where Kantian aesthetics happens

I have a good friend that was a visiting Philosophy professor at the U (he’s focused on ethics). He loves it, but the job market is so tough he’s pretty close to giving it up.

As someone who’s wife is in academia (Journalism Prof), it’s interesting to watch from the outside but not something for me. Great work if you can get it and it’s what you love to do. Good luck to all the academics out there.

by Sterno on Jan 16, 2009 5:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What? Sorry I can't hear you

with all the prospective employers beating down my door! ;)

email me if you want a link,

alvinwilliamsistheman@yahoo.ca

(hmmm maybe I do have an unhealthy obsession with combo guards ;)

by plinytheelder on Jan 17, 2009 12:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

this conversation is just not nuts enough

and i say that with as much affection as can be mustered by someone currently editing a chapter on theories of sublime experience in antebellum America.

by secretarykissinger on Jan 17, 2009 7:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps if we...

…add in some chatter about marketing strategies that utilize religiously fueled sentiments of self-worth (or lack thereof) to sell household goods to young Mormon women. Jello is A-OK!!! Would that help? ;)

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 17, 2009 8:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Where do you see Carney

I’m loving him here on the team right now but I don’t want to see us give him more then 3 million a year and if he keeps nailing threes and scoring more then 15 a night he might even deserve it.

With the cash we just gave Gomes/Brewer I can’t see us hooking up Carney too.

organic through and through

by DrakeSax82 on Jan 15, 2009 9:45 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think Carney is gone...

…anything he gives the Wolves this season is a bonus.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 15, 2009 9:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Also...

Mad Props in the article S-N-P!!!

organic through and through

by DrakeSax82 on Jan 15, 2009 9:45 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

thanks

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 15, 2009 9:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good job mayn

dis a good look here mayn, nice to see some1 break down de options mayn. i gon comment on it lata mayn juss wanted to say dat you a fiend fo really good Wolves info!

MAYN HOL UP!

by MAYNHOLUP on Jan 15, 2009 10:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Danke

….,mann halten!!!

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 15, 2009 10:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Brilliant Work......

and a double degree!

Here’s some rambling and random thoughts:

1. After reading the interview recently, I’m firmly of the opinion Pekovic is not coming to Minnesota, at least not to a 25-30 win club. His draft rights may the most valuable thing we get from him.

2. I’d like to see Carney stay – he’s seems to give us the energy off the bench that McCants can only muster supernova style four or five times a year.

3. I’d think of the trade options, Butler is the guy. 29 this year, shorter and cheaper contract than AK47 and more consistent. Our Wizards brethren may think it’s a pipe dream, but the cap situation in Washington is poor – they are already committed to $75mil next season and to guys like Haywood and Arenas who are seldom fit. There is only Charlotte behind them in the Southeast talent wise. I sniff a roster blow up sooner rather than later.

4. Outside of the Butler scenario, this needs to be a draft (and trading) led recovery. Free Agency will likely result in us overpaying for moderate talent. Think Dallas signing Diop and Sacto signing Udrih to MLE style money.

5. We shouldn’t be worried about coughing up the pick to the Clippers this year; double digit pick in a average at best draft pool. Better now than an unprotected pick in the future.

6. The extension to the point above is that there is much to be said for a culture of winning. The core of this group need to become accustomed to winning together. It may cost more money to keep them together for that, but that makes a more desirable FA location. I’ve seen teams rebuild in other sports and the logic always runs with the higher draft pick and “who will remember beating Charlotte in game 75……”etc. The team remember.

7. Al Jefferson’s contract may make it easier to build a team around him, but it also makes him easier to trade if we are a 30 win team with two years remaining on his deal.

Again, magnificent work, SnP. A gain for children’s literature is a loss to basketball administration.

by Auswolf on Jan 16, 2009 3:17 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks....

….I fully expect a crushing denial on my 3rd re-write. ;) At least I’m not getting completely rejected with this one. My first 2 tries both got form letters back from the places I sent them in to. This one I’ve actually had some interaction with the publishing house. My writer friends tell me this is just someone trying to look busy and I shouldn’t expect anything based on the interaction. “If they liked it, they would have told you so from the get-go” is the line of thought here.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 16, 2009 7:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Is there a reason

that you’re not self-publishing the book?

by PoorDick on Jan 16, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes....

…I need someone to do the graphic design. I’ve tried to do it on my own and it hasn’t turned out well. I thought I could draw but when you print it out at Kinkos in a test run you realize that you really can’t draw. I’m in negotiations with a graphic design student here at the U to work on it.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 16, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's good to hear

My experience is that as cool as it can be to get a book deal with a NY publisher, the economics are crazy, and the likelihood is about zero. And it’s not based on merit, either (obviously, or you’d have a book deal already!).

by PoorDick on Jan 16, 2009 3:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks...

…this one is based more on the fact that my idea involves a book that would be drawn in and would have to be bought each semester by the schools that use it.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 16, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Recurring revenue

is the key to wealth.

by PoorDick on Jan 16, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

indeed

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 16, 2009 5:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

unless that recurring revenue is printed word classified ads

 ….poor, poor Star Tribune.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 16, 2009 5:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Our Wizards brethren may think it’s a pipe dream, but the cap situation in Washington is poor – they are already committed to $75mil next season and to guys like Haywood and Arenas who are seldom fit. There is only Charlotte behind them in the Southeast talent wise. I sniff a roster blow up sooner rather than later.

Maybe, but Butler’s one of the few with a really good contract. Even in a roster blowup, why give that up?

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jan 16, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It is a silly good contract...

….for what he brings to the table. He’s a steal.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 16, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m first gonna comment on the article before I forget what I was to say.

> PT4: how about Smith + Utah/Boston pick for the Chicago nr12? That could get them Thabeet as your Pt4: Pet Project…

I’m not convinced on the need at SF. I wanna see if Carney keeps his numbers up. Is he still only a 10per guy? Wallace also allows opponents at SF to have 20 PER; it’s just a talented group, but is Carney still only 10 PER? And Brewer … when he comes back…

Beater of the early Thabeet drum

by Wim (Belgium) on Jan 16, 2009 7:15 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

It will be interesting to see...

…how Brewer plays into their plans. I have no idea what they have in mind for him. I suppose Carney could be back if they draft 2 guys, strike out in free agency, and he agrees to a short and cheap contract. That wouldn’t surprise me at all.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 16, 2009 7:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude, this post is freakin' awesome.

Pimpin' ain't easy and neither is being a Sixers fan. I manage to do both. Join me at Liberty Ballers, the SBNation 76ers blog. Don't make fun of the name either. It has nothing to do with the New York Liberty of the WNBA.

by jsams on Jan 16, 2009 3:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

thanks

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 16, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the post and the discussion points. Since I agree that the front office situation isn’t very likely to change, I would like to offer my thoughts on the FA market.

The only player on the FA list that I think would really bring a new dimension to the Wolves is Marvin Williams. He fits a role as an athletic 3 who can create his own shot, play NBA defense and contribute without the ball. As for the rest of the list, not buying that anyone of them significantly upgrades the roster or would be worth the money it would take to get them.

 Ariza – basically the same player as Rodney Carney (maybe a bit more developed handle and jumper but not much else) and would cost more.

 Hedo is too old to make a difference beyond 2011 when the rest of the players should be hitting their prime.

 Maybe Okur would be a good signing because of his experience with the Pistons and Jazz and because I still think Okur is the type of player we should hope Love turns into (same body shape, same skill set, same banger type of mentality).

Sessions = Bassy minus the flash/fun

Warrick – like the potential, but he knows nothing about winning in the NBA, which should be the #1 criteria for any FA singings the Wolves make. I would take him at the right price.

Gordon – pass (because he won’t)

Childress – would be nice, but don’t see the Hawks just letting him walk to another NBA team.

I would like to add the following name to the discussion:

Ron Artest

Other than that, I would be content with the Wolves passing on most of this list and continue to develop the youngins’ they already have.

As far as trades go, Caron Butler and Tayshaun would be great targets with RIP as a third option. They have all been deep in the playoffs and are on teams that are close to blowing themselves up, 2 out of the 3 would be optimal, but good luck…

Not sold on Gerald Wallace either. His contract runs through 2011, when the new CBA is set to be negotiated and there are some who feel he will be well overpaid at that point. Couple that with the fact that he has limited wins and no playoff experience and the money would be better spent elsewhere. Put him on the Lakers/Celtics and he will make a huge difference, but here he just gets lost in the mix.

Quick Tayshaun story: my buddy and I snuck down behind the Detroit bench a couple of seasons ago and got to heckling Tayshaun. We of course thought we were being clever and witty. Tayshaun responds to our taunts by turning to where we are sitting and pointing to his ring finger. BURN!!

by Minneapleseed on Jan 16, 2009 5:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Childress

I’m almost positive that any offer he accepts will not be matched by the Hawks. Along with having a dysfunctional front office that can barely function (due to the feuding owners situation), he basically gave the middle finger to the entire franchise by going to Europe. Even if they could all three owners to agree (and remember, they have to do it within a week of the contract’s acceptance), would you really want to bring back a guy who, in all likelihood, is will be booed the minute he steps onto the Atlanta court?

by McCleak on Jan 16, 2009 7:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Just checked out Willie Warren. He reminds me of Foye. I didn’t really see a lot of him during the game I watched (vs Texas A&M) but he could be a good fit for the Boston pick if we don’t trade it.

Beater of the early Thabeet drum

by Wim (Belgium) on Jan 17, 2009 3:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

agreed...

….he’s one of those late-rounders that could work out.

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