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Game Thread: The Mikan Cup

Los Angeles Lakers at Minnesota Timberwolves, Jan 30, 2009 7:00 PM CST


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It will be an interesting night at the Target Center.  Minnesota's original lost squad returns with one of the top 5 players on the planet and the best record in the NBA.  I'm not really sure a win will be an indicator of success tonight; if the Wolves can keep it close with a pace near 93, an OE of 110 or above, ft/fg neutrality, and an OReb% above 30, it would be a tremendous development, as they will have taken McHale ball up against the best in the league without sacrificing key indicators of what has brought them success thus far in the new year.  Sometimes other teams are simply better than the good guys.  There's not much you can do about that except maintain your style of play and go hard on every possession.  

I gave a quick Q&A to LABallTalk.  You can read the results here. For more Laker takes you can check out the The Kamenetzky Brothers and The Lakers Nation

Here's hoping for a victory and no collapsed lungs.

 

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awesome...

..this is one of the few games where league pass broadband comes in handy

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 7:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Prediction:

This will not be a Rhino game. This is one of those where you really have to wonder why he’s starting. It will also be interesting to see how Jefferson goes up against a guy who took his spot on the All Star team: Gasol.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 7:11 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Craig Smith should not be starting against a 7 footer Like Gasol and Bynum

Love or even Jason Collins who is a 7 footer himself should be playing over the Rhino

by Tony_O on Jan 30, 2009 7:15 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

nah, sarcasm

on these 2 fouls called on Foye

by plinytheelder on Jan 30, 2009 7:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i think he grazed a hair on kobe's elbow

they showed the replay and…well, not much there

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry i didnt pick up your Sarcasm

I’m battling Mono at the Moment Not Feeling Too Good.

by Tony_O on Jan 30, 2009 7:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

oh sorry to hear man

I had that back when I was your age. Went away fairly quick though, just make sure you lay low for as long as you need to.

by plinytheelder on Jan 30, 2009 7:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If they can just hang within 8-10 without too much more foul trouble..

….here in the 1st, I think they’ll be ok. The fouls are problematic.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 7:19 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Heat check...

…from Kobe

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 7:20 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Solid play from Bassy...

…they’re doubling off him and he’s dribbling into his shot. Solid stuff.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 7:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

it pisses me off

that so many people are cheering for the Lakers. I mean stand up for you f***ing team.

by plinytheelder on Jan 30, 2009 7:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

At least show some taste if you’re going to cheer for the road team. How can you cheer Bynum’s team?

by oblivionspocket on Jan 30, 2009 7:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok how was that now a foul

Fuckin Elbow to Big Al’s Face.

by Tony_O on Jan 30, 2009 7:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hit the boards!!!!

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 7:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'm not really sure how anyone can root for the Lakers

What a punk ass squad.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 7:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I like Gasol too...

…and that’s it for me.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 7:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yup

good times……

by bheidge on Jan 30, 2009 7:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Childs beat the crap out of me once

just cause I called an offensive foul on him in a pickup game, what a dick

by plinytheelder on Jan 30, 2009 7:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bassy is the MVP in this game so far

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 7:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

HA!

I hate Farmar, pseudo-point if there ever was one

by plinytheelder on Jan 30, 2009 7:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Along with his rebounding video...

….Love needs to make a “how to pick” video.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 7:35 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Come on Hanny

Garbage Nickname

“The Human Vacuum Cleaner” Kevin Love.

by Tony_O on Jan 30, 2009 7:35 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Bynum and Gasol...

Gotta feel like kids in a candy store on the offensive end with Al, Smith, and Love. Gimme, gimme, gimme!!!

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 30, 2009 7:40 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

What a crap ass call

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 7:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

gasol was behind the bucket and not shooting

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 7:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

then the moving screen call? how are you supposed to stay still when Jordan Farmar rams into your body at full tilt

by oblivionspocket on Jan 30, 2009 7:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

exactly...

….he took a hit and moved.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 7:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

More crap ass

on the cardinal pick

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 7:42 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

horse shit

this is amazing

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 7:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well

slight exaggeration I guess, I don’t mean to whine…but come on

by plinytheelder on Jan 30, 2009 7:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

it is ridiculous

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 7:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Miller was fouled on that make...

….and nothing.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 7:46 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

yeah this is getting pretty tiresome

I’m always suspicious of complaints against the refs but this is insane

by plinytheelder on Jan 30, 2009 7:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Love with the transition d

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 7:48 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Laker's crew

Very objective…Isn’t the play-by-play guy the same one that does NBA Summer League games? And the Tour de France on VS? He’s really good, forget his name….

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 30, 2009 7:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think the problem is talent...

…not length.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 7:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

Both in the case of the Lakers. But let’s face it, they’re consistently able to go over the top.

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 30, 2009 7:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i don't know..

…they’re making outside shots. The Wolves are right there on the boards and free throw line. They just don’t have the perimeter players to keep up with the Lakers.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 8:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

come on Miller

you know Farmar’s not going to pass the ball

by plinytheelder on Jan 30, 2009 7:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Carney with the blown dunk of the year!!!

My god he can run.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 7:56 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Too fast

for his own good there

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 30, 2009 7:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yep...

…..it’s amazing how he can pull away

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 7:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

whoa

nice tie pete…

by plinytheelder on Jan 30, 2009 7:59 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I am just amazed by how we're playing

I finally believe we have a real live NBA franchise again.

by TMiss on Jan 30, 2009 7:59 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

well put...

….with past squads this is a blow out.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 8:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bynum finally commits a foul

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 8:02 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

the guy has been hacking anyone near the hoop

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 8:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

looked pretty good on that turnaround

going to his weak side though…I’m impressed, I thought he was more raw (rawer?) than this

by plinytheelder on Jan 30, 2009 8:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

me too..

…especially on the offensive end. He’s very skilled.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 8:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Is there any doubt....

That we need a true Center? Bynum, Oden, and D-How aren’t going anywhere for a long, long time.

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 30, 2009 8:05 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I see your point,

but let’s not forget, those guys put up numbers on everyone. I wouldn’t mind getting a skilled 5 either, but I’m pretty happy with the pieces we have in place too.

by plinytheelder on Jan 30, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

everybody does..

….and here’s the catch: the guys you mention aren’t dime-a-dozen players. They’re superior players and their skill has little to do with their position. It’s like running off Kobe, D-Wade, and Pierce and saying the Wolves need a shooting guard.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

lol!

now that was fantastic D by Gomes

by plinytheelder on Jan 30, 2009 8:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

bryant is so f***ing dumb sometimes…I know he’s great, but come on

by plinytheelder on Jan 30, 2009 8:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

Best defensive work I’ve seen all year by Gomes.

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 30, 2009 8:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

you serious?

Gomes is a pretty good defender

by plinytheelder on Jan 30, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll run the chart in the game wrap..

….but Basketball Prospectus just ran some new numbers and Gomes comes out as…well, it’s weird. He has a PS rating on d (which is good) but the guys he guards average about 4% better than what they do against other performers. He has a -4.9 rating / 40 minutes. Most of his downfall is on offense.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 8:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

that is interesting

maybe I overestimate his defensive ability. Do those stats include when he’s guarding 4s?

by plinytheelder on Jan 30, 2009 8:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

strange, he doesn’t seem that bad on offense, granted his game is pretty much made up of mid range jumpers and three point shots, as well as some crisp passing.

by oblivionspocket on Jan 30, 2009 8:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Gomes

Is a guy I can’t get my arms around in general. Rarely makes the stupid play, but so often seems to be a total wallflower. I suppose he’s the type of guy whose value increases as the talent around him does, as he clearly plays more off of others vs. being the protagonist.

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 30, 2009 8:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

I think that’s probably a pretty good description. I wonder how many above-average teams around the league would like to get him…

by plinytheelder on Jan 30, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Gomes would look really great on a contender. Imagine if the celtics still had him. He’d be great for them, could come of the bench to defend Lebron James, Joe Johnson, Kobe Bryant, Rashard Lewis, Hedo turkoglu. Might make them forget about losing Posey.

by oblivionspocket on Jan 30, 2009 8:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if I'd go that far

but then again I love Posey. I agree though, he’d be a great fit there.

by plinytheelder on Jan 30, 2009 8:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, he probably isn’t quite as good as Posey

by oblivionspocket on Jan 30, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he's a backup forward who is starting

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 8:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not meant

as a slap at Gomes’ D in general, I just thought Kobe smelled blood and came up empty. You’re right though, Gomes is very solid on D.

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 30, 2009 8:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

AIR BALLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

Really, you guys r 2 polite

by TMiss on Jan 30, 2009 8:13 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

sorry

for the temporarily visually impaired, Gomes just defensed Kobe into an airball 3 shot clock violation

it was very very sweet

by TMiss on Jan 30, 2009 8:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Christ i hate my Internet

Crashes for 20 minutes…back for 20..

by Tony_O on Jan 30, 2009 8:16 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

It's OK

McHale to occasionally play situational substitutions. Madsen, Collins anyone?

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 30, 2009 8:31 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Good for Foye

for taking it at Bryant

by plinytheelder on Jan 30, 2009 8:35 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Jefferson

Not hustling back on D…..I swear that happens once or twice every game. Where his guy beats him down the floor.

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 30, 2009 8:37 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Lakers in Control

Their height is killing us. We need a 7 footer.

by DR_JPK on Jan 30, 2009 8:39 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

What do we have to do...

to make Big Al push Bynum out of the lane?

"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"

by mutleyil on Jan 30, 2009 8:42 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

He has been getting...

position on him all night. I love AL, but he’s been mailing in te D tonight…

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by mutleyil on Jan 30, 2009 8:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Can't believe...

we’re getting killed on the D boards like this. That’s the difference in the game.

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by mutleyil on Jan 30, 2009 8:45 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

well put..

…the lakers are rebounding 44% of their misses. It’s hard to win when that happens.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 8:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Length, length, length

Even Francisco Elson got to us…..

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 30, 2009 8:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yes..

..but he lost.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

they need more talent

….another guard and a real, honest-to-pete 3.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That won't stop

Andrew Bynum and Dwight Howard from having their way with us.

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 30, 2009 8:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

but they have their way with everyone..

….that’s not going to stop with Hasheem Thabeet.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 9:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But I agree

of course we need more talent: Dynamic backcourt guard, athletic 3, and a true Center. The real-time impulse watching a game like this is to prioritize the Center position.

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 30, 2009 9:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

but who?

with the center? It would be very nice to see them draft the BPA as a center, but who is that guy? They can prioritize it all they want; another Howard or Bynum isn’t going to show up.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 9:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think they're fine with Al and Jefferson..

….if they can get a real lead guard + a real 3.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 9:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

whoops...

….Al and Love.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 9:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if I'd say "fine" with those guys -

I’d still like to see them get someone a big taller to complete that 3-man rotation

by plinytheelder on Jan 30, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed...

…they need an athletic 4/5 or a banger at the 5 for a backup. Smith is horse shit.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

heh

come on, tell us what you really think!

by plinytheelder on Jan 30, 2009 9:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe they re-signed him

what on earth do they see in him? no clue.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 9:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well

in his defence he does have some pretty impressive offensive skills. He’s a good passer and I think he has the best touch inside of anyone on the team. I agree with you though on the whole, I don’t know if he can be in the regular rotation of a good team.

by plinytheelder on Jan 30, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No...

…no, he can’t. ;) He’s an oddity. The world’s greatest rec-league player.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

7 days later

just wanted to pop in and say that however bad Smith is by your standards, when he’s on and has a good matchup I go crazy watching the dude. They should just limit his minutes when he doesn’t match up.

by TMiss on Jan 30, 2009 10:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he is fun to watch..

….when he has a good matchup. Just like the guy who played for Marquette in my Y men’s league. ;)

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 10:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah I think

everyone would like a 7’2 guy with a huge wingspan…but the question is, do you go out and get that guy just for the sake of having a 7-footer? They already have that guy – his name’s Jason Collins. Like I said before, it’s true that they need more pieces, but I’m pretty happy with the pieces they have.

by plinytheelder on Jan 30, 2009 9:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not disagreeing

They need to take BPA with their first pick…It’s not a matter of finding someone that can totally stop Bynum/Howard, it’s a matter of finding someone that can keep them at their typical averages or make them work a bit harder, whilst also freeing up Jefferson/Love to play the “smaller” defender (OK, Gasol isn’t exactly small either….). So there is a domino effect when you get a big man in there….As far as ideas, hell I don’t know. Varejao, Haywood could potentially be had, Miller for Dalembert, Jerome Jordan with the Miami or Celtic pick. Whatever sticks!

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 30, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Key Stat

Mike Miller used to average over 10 shots a game. This season, he’s averaging only 7. I’m shocked it’s even that high, as I never seem to recall him taking more than 4-5 a night when watching these games. It KILLS me to see Bassy taking away Millers shot’s. I’d rather a cold Miller shoot his way out a slump than a normal Telfair try to shoot himself into one.

by Uncle Junior on Jan 30, 2009 9:03 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Pull-up

No, not the toddler and young child’s diaper, but it’s a concept in basketball where a player dribble drives, then pulls up to shoot the orange orb. Mike Miller needs to be introduced to this revolutionary play…..

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 30, 2009 9:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well put

:)

Maybe they didn’t learn that in SoDak

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 9:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I know what we need

Like everyone was saying: a big who can guard other bigs. Athletic would be good, good enough and strong/big enough to defend the post. Would allow us to rotate Al or Love to other guys for ‘mismatches’.

by biggity2bit on Jan 30, 2009 9:06 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Love hustles back....

Gee, it would be nice to see Jefferson hustle back on D like Love just did. It’s the little things that matter too Big Al!

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 30, 2009 9:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I guess that’s not very nice, I just really don’t like that dude.

by plinytheelder on Jan 30, 2009 9:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The word "douche"...

…comes to mind when watching him play.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

there’s a word that needs to be used more often

by plinytheelder on Jan 30, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Love

My goodness, he plays nice stout post defense. Can’t wait until he’s not a rookie anymore and he doesn’t get these lame calls!

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 30, 2009 9:17 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

yep...

…the thing I like most about him is that he seems genuinely pissed to lose. We haven’t seen that since KG. And no, I’m not comparing the two. The guy is a winner.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 9:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Love fouls out

Even Gasol was shaking his head on Love’s 5th foul, did you see that? Never seen the player on the opposite team tell the refs it was a bad call…

by DR_JPK on Jan 30, 2009 9:18 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

he plays hard..

…and i think that is building his rep.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 9:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

didn't

Love get to practice with most of these guys in his UCLA days?

by TMiss on Jan 30, 2009 10:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know..

…it would be interesting to see if he played in Magic’s summer pick up league.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 10:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

CARDNIAL!!!

…getting blocked.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 9:19 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Carney...

…with the d, but nothing you can do with that shot.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2009 9:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'll tell you what...

I think that, far more than length, the interior defensive problems tonight have to do with positioning. I could be dead wrong…but Ariza just cut across the lane right in front of Jefferson and Jefferson didn’t even move. I think that if these spacing issues were addressed – if they would just close out, fill up these spaces – the interior D would be a lot less soft.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to get a 3rd big in the rotation with Al and Love…but I don’t think the problem of “length” is as huge as it appears from tonight’s game.

by plinytheelder on Jan 30, 2009 9:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

e.g. that last rebound by Odom -

he got it not because he’s tall but because there was no body on him – i.e. no one closed out the space between his body and Odom’s.

by plinytheelder on Jan 30, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

In most games...

That is the case that Jefferson and Love have enough length or makeup for their deficiencies in other ways. But not against the tandems we have to worry about in the future: Oden-Aldridge (with a little Pryz thrown in) and Bynum-Gasol. These guys can get over the top of Jeff-Love at any point in time. Bynum time and again simply flipped it over the top. No problemo.

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 30, 2009 9:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't totally disagree -

and hey, if Tyson Chandler comes available, sure, let’s sign him. But I’m saying that a. there are very few guys in the league whom Bynum can’t turn and shoot over, b. especially for the rebounding, the problem is more spacing than height in my opinion.

by plinytheelder on Jan 30, 2009 9:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

just to clarify:

I don’t mean to be trite with the Chandler comment, I agree that they need another (taller) big, I just think that if/when they get one, they will be able to run a 3-man rotation effectively with Al and Love.

by plinytheelder on Jan 30, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

We need a 25 minute per game guy, and even that isn’t easy to find. Again, not saying we pass up a potential star with our Top 10 pick this summer just to get length (unless indeed it’s the BPA), but someway, somehow, we need a competent 7-footer. Not that DeAndre Jordan would have been the answer, but…….

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 30, 2009 9:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's frustrating

watching a player as good as Kobe just being able to answer to everything we throw at them. Least we’re matching him

by Uncle Junior on Jan 30, 2009 9:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

If theres One thing that Plagued us in this Game

Its Mike Miller and his Terrible Shooting…he only shot the ball 3 times….3 FRICKEN TIMES!

by Tony_O on Jan 30, 2009 9:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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