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Now that the Vikings have finally bestowed their annual disappointment on the state of Minnesota, it's time for Minnesota sports fans who follow multiple sports, but concentrate on one at a time (as opposed to obsessing over one constantly) to turn to something new.

While our beloved Timberwolves sport a record of 8-25 (i.e. bad), it is with a tip of the hat to Indy Cornrows and Sixty Feet, Six Inches that I pose to you, dear Vikings fans, the reasons that Al Jefferson and the gang deserve your attention and the things you need to know about them to catch up:

  1. The Wolves are 4-2 since Christmas. It's a small portion of the 82-game season, but we just got as many wins in the last 11 days as we did in the previous 2 months. When you have as much roster turnover and youth as this team, moral victories are just as important for us fans as they are for them players. Moreover, we're playing Memphis, Oklahoma City, Milwaukee and Miami in the next week and it's no stretch to believe we should split that run and push the win column to double digits.

  2. That guy we traded OJ Mayo for is pretty good. While Kevin Love's not putting up the scoring numbers that Mayo is, he's the best rebounder on the team and I'd go as far as to say he's top 15 rebounder in the league as far as skill. He gets 7.9 per in 23 minutes (tied for 27th), 3.3 on offense (tied for 6th) and 16.7 per 48 minutes (7th). He's getting better at finishing around the hole, although his below-the-rim game means he gets blocked more often than we'd like. While his defense is still not very good, Love is the kind of player that, even to the untrained eye, looks like he's making the right play far more than he's making the wrong one. That's because he usually is. And yes, watching him toss outlet passes is highly entertaining.

  3. The other guys we got for OJ Mayo are contributing. At least, for the moment, Brian Cardinal is. While it's not a great sign that a guy of Cardinal's talent level is getting so many minutes, with a young team like ours it's nice to have someone who knows how to play the pro game at full tilt for every second they're on the court. Mike Miller's been having a rough year, even before missing a handful of games due to an ankle injury. But if we hold on to Miller, the law of averages says he'll rebound and he's a great citizen to boot. If we try to move Miller, he still holds significant value around the league, value that will only go up as the trade deadline approaches.

  4. That guy we traded Kevin Garnett for is really good. Let's get this out of the way: Al's defense is bad and he has a tendency to regress into unproductive intensity. On the flip side, he's a top 5 post scorer in the NBA and his jumper has gotten to the point where no one gasps when he puts one up from 15 feet. Al's averaging 22.8 points (11th) and 10.4 rebounds (8th) on a hair under 50% from the field. What's more is that while he still needs to improve his passing out of double teams, Al only averages 2 turnovers per game; that's notable given the number of touches he gets.

  5. Randy Foye is looking better all the time. Should Kevin McHale have held on to Brandon Roy? Yes. But, he didn't and Foye now dons a Minnesota jersey. After coming off knee surgery last year (missed 43 games last year) and struggled to find consistency, Randy is clearly growing despite being yanked between guard positions by GMs and coaches. If he's going to be a point guard in this league Foye will have to be his own brand and run an offense that makes him an initiator and not the primary playmaker. And if he's not a point guard, that's ok as long our coach recognizes it.

  6. Speaking of Kevin McHale... Yes, you have a right to be disappointed that he's still with this franchise. But there are a couple of good reasons why that's the case. First, when it became clear that Randy Wittman couldn't guide this team to marked improvement, Glen Taylor didn't want to simultaneously pay a third coach (he still owes Dwane Casey some money). McHale agreed to take the reins of the roster he constructed to either prove that they can play or that he needs to go. Luckily, reason #2 is that, given this mini-surge (our first win streak!) McHale may be proving that he was on to something with the 15 guys he gave to Wittman. While the roster's far from set, there's a strong core of youth developing; which brings us to the third reason why McHale's still with the team: if Taylor agrees with the Hoopus community, his franchise needs new leadership in the basketball department, and that starts with a new General Manager. Bringing a new GM into a situation where the guy he's replacing is still sitting on the bench is not a good way to start a new regime. However, with a fistful of 1st round picks and a stable of young players, a new GM will have plenty of tools with which to build a contender.

  7. Injury report: Beyond Miller's 4 game absence, 2007 lottery pick Corey Brewer is out for the year with a torn ACL and Kevin Ollie just went down for 3 weeks with a dislocated elbow.

  8. Rashad McCants is dating Khloe Kardashian. That's the best thing I can say about his game right now.

  9. While the Wolves franchise may be going through a rough spell, at least they aren't building around a D-IA 2nd round draft pick. I kid, I kid.

  10. For the last point, a little boasting. I'm very proud of the fan community that Hoopus has become. It started as a rinky-dink platform for me to pontificate on rebuilding after trading KG. But after joining forces with Stop-n-Pop and Peter W (who you should check out on his new/old blog), Canis Hoopus turned into the community of thoughtful, respectful and playful basketball fans you see before you. As a personal point of pride, we've got the best Timberwolves salary and draft pick info around (if you're into that kind of thing). But mostly, I'm grateful for and proud of our readers who contribute just as much to this site as us writers, and I hope you'll find that the time you spend here is worthwhile.

So welcome ye Norsemen (and women) of Minnesota. Our home for watching the best athletes in the world put an orange sphere into an orange circle, is your home.

But next time, I might not be so optimistic. Otherwise it wouldn't be Minnesota sports, right?

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Wait a minute, aren’t you a Packers fan? ;)

by plinytheelder on Jan 6, 2009 1:10 AM CST reply actions  

Sure as hell am!

All the more reason to draw fans away from the Vikings… mwuahahaha!

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by wyn on Jan 6, 2009 7:49 AM CST up reply actions  

The Lost Vikings! How I loved that game.

Anyway, you forgot another good thing about McCants > his contract is expiring.. ;)

Beater of the early Thabeet drum

by Wim (Belgium) on Jan 6, 2009 5:02 AM CST reply actions  

You've got a very good thing going here...

I think that’s way more of a credit to you and Nate than me, but thanks for the congrats any way.

But, If you’re a Packer fan, I would think you think you’d be suffering greatly right now. Both Minny and GB inhabit the worse division in football.

by Peter W on Jan 6, 2009 9:40 AM CST reply actions  

Thanks Peter...

…we’ll still be looking forward to a Diary of a Madman every now and then ;)

Also, I think I’ll have to amend my “the Wolves will make the playoffs before the Vikes” prediction to “the Wolves will win a playoff game before a Childress coached team” one. Having an 0-16 team in the division surely helps the record…especially when the refs bail you out on a win with a questionable pass interference call.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 6, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Take a compliment old man! :)

Yeah, the Packers are bad. But the nice thing about being a fairweather fan is that you only really care when they’re good.

Hope your UK trip was great!

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by wyn on Jan 6, 2009 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I love this site . . .

But the hatred for the Vikings is getting hard to stomach. Does it ever cross your mind that being a fan of both the Wolves and the Vikings is possible (albeit painful), and dissing a visitor’s “other” favorite team might not be the best way to build readership and interest in the Wolves?

Besides, the Packers suck.

by PoorDick on Jan 6, 2009 10:38 AM CST reply actions  

It does...

…and you’re right: it probably isn’t the best way to build readership. I’m not a big football guy and my distaste for the Vikes has more to do with not liking the NFL and the current head coach of the home team. I tried being a fan way back when (Moss and pre-Moss) but 98, the loss to Arizona, and 41-donut did it in for me. They are even more brutal on the sports emotions than the Wolves. I like watching Peterson run but the rest of this team is unwatchable. Chilly ball = mind numbing entertainment.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 6, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

No hatred, mere ribbing.

Not sure if SnP has had more vitriolic criticisms of the Vikings in the past, but I’m just telling jokes. And correct me if I’m wrong about the Vikings building up fans’ hopes each year, only to underachieve. Isn’t that S.O.P.?

Re: the poke at Tavaris, the Vikings fans I know personally are much harder on him than non-Vikings fans. Why don’t you just come back at me with “Hey douchebag! The Vikes are actually built around the best player in the league!”

And yes, the Packers suck. They must have lost at least 4 games due to blown coverage on about 6 big yardage plays.

Just jokes.

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by wyn on Jan 6, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I think...

…I’m in between jokes and vitriol. I want to laugh about it but between the 3 losses mentioned below (98, Arizona, 41-donut) I’ve been burned by that damn team and when I hear my older relatives talk about how this has been SOP for 30 years…well, I’d like to think I’m joking but it’s probably infused with a little distaste.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 6, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

You've put an interesting condition in your prediction...

Especially when it comes to Childress. I’d take the bet if you said the Wolves will make the playoffs before the Vikings win a playoff game, because I think it will be years before this club makes the playoffs, especially if McHale sticks around. But if the condition is a Childress coached team, well, at the risk of showing negativity toward ANOTHER Minnesota sports franchise, I don’t think Chilly will ever see the light of day, or a win.

by Peter W on Jan 6, 2009 10:42 AM CST reply actions  

Childress...

…is like a dead weight anchor. I don’t know much about football but I have the suspicion that he doesn’t either. I love listening to his weekly show on KFAN. Some of the phrases he comes up with in order to sound like he knows what the hell he is talking about are hilarious. I think he’s something of the ultimate bureaucrat. He may know the x’s and o’s and he may know the letter of the law, but he doesn’t know the political score and is unable to function on the big stage like a true politician. I think the Vikes are in a pickle. They played against New York’s JV team to get in the playoffs, they barely won twice against the worst team perhaps in the last 20 years of the NFL (one of them being on a terrible call), they have an aging offensive line, they have a worthless QB who doesn’t even seem to know how to throw off the correct foot, they probably only have Chester for 1 more year, and the Williams Wall has 1-2 years left of effectiveness. They’ve pinned all of this on an unproven coordinator who was hired without competition and a d-1a QB…both of whom are beyond predictable in their ineffectiveness and in-over-their-headedness.

They had trouble selling out a home playoff game and if they start next season with T-Jack and Chilly they’ll have the same issues. They’re in no man’s land. Not good enough to get over the top and not rebuilding.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 6, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

One thing that amazes me

about criticism of Childress is that it was viewed as a “victory” when the Vikes signed him. He’s no dumber than Tice, but Chilly is an odd duck with little in the way of charisma. Why would he purposely hire a coordinator who he didn’t think was going to do well?

As to the quarterback issue, right: Tavaris sucks. What is the alternative? What was the alternative two years ago? The Gus Frerottes of the world are easy to find—developing a young quarterback, not so much.

The fact of the NFL is there are about ten teams with coaches who are embraced by the team’s fans. There are also about ten QBs who can make the same claim. There are only about five teams that can say that they have a good QB and a good head coach: Atlanta, Carolina, NY Giants, Steelers, and Patriots (and that’s only if either Brady comes back or Cassell isn’t a fluke).

And it’s highly ironic that on this site, fans of one of the most dysfunctional “organizations” in the history of pro sports are deriding the historical performance of the Minnesota Vikings. At least with the Vikings I know that they’ll be around .500 winning percentage, with a shot at the playoffs. I wasn’t able to say that for the first decade of the Wolves’ existence, haven’t for the last five years, and by the looks of things, probably won’t be able to say that for another five years into the future.

It doesn’t make any sense to say that you don’t follow or back a team because of a heartbreaking loss ten or thirty years ago. 31 teams in the NFL, 29 in the NBA, 29 in the MLB, how many in the NHL and hundreds in college sports—all of their fans will be disappointed in the way the season ended. I would argue that the high odds of disappointment make the rare championship all that much more enjoyable.

by PoorDick on Jan 6, 2009 12:21 PM CST reply actions  

The alternative for QB was to make a decision on a 1st rounder 2 years ago...

…as well as going with Jeff Garcia when he was available. They’ll end up having to make a simliar choice this year in the draft as well as rolling with an older QB who can win now. It was just as obvious back then as it is now.

I don’t get the irony comment. The NFL and NBA are apples and oranges when it comes to building a team and roster turnover. It’s a different kind of suckage. Following a team like the Vikes requires some sort of investment on my part and I just don’t like the NFL or the way they have operated in the past. That’s as best as I can explain my personal feelings on the matter and I don’t think it’s ironic or illogical. I simply don’t buy what they are selling; that’s all.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 6, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't believe Jeff Garcia wanted to come here

and he was benched earlier this year in Tampa (and didn’t exactly have a stellar year when he DID play). And other than Kellen Clemens backing up Favre in NYJ (and not thought to be ready for the NFL), there wasn’t a QB in the 2006 draft picked after the Vikes chose Greenway at the 16th pick who isn’t either a 3rd-stringer, or out of the league completely. Taking a QB early in the 2007 draft (Brady Quinn?) would have been an even dumber idea, especially in light of who the Vikes picked at #7 (Peterson). In 2008 the Vikings picked ahead of Baltimore, and in theory could have used that pick on Joe Flacco. But they traded that pick to Kansas City (in part) for Jared Allen. I would make that same move every day.

I would argue that since NFL players have shorter careers than NBA players, it’s much harder to build a consistent winner in the NFL than it is in the NBA. The roster turnover is much higher, and the injuries are more frequent and more debilitating.

You can smack on the Vikings all you want, but the fact remains that the organization has had success that the Timberwolves can only dream of. And dancing on the Vikings’ grave a day after their season ended isn’t going to win any of their fans over to the way of the Wolves.

by PoorDick on Jan 6, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I've exhausted my NFL "knowledge"..

….and I really don’t know what to say other than that I don’t like football and I danced on their grave before the season ended so at least I’m being consistent. ;) I view it as being like Christopher Hitchens and Jerry Falwell; just because the other guy died doesn’t mean I’m going to stop saying the things I said while he was alive.

I do hear what you’re saying and I think this is the last you’ll hear of us talking Vikes for a while. It’s not what we do and people don’t come here to read about the Vikes. However, we do comment on non b-ball stuff from time to time and this just happens to be one of those times. It is what it is. Just like our talk about Obama probably rubbed a few readers the wrong way during the election. The Vikes and T-Wolves are remarkably similar; I think. The Vikes are in the middle of their KG days with AP and we’ll see what happens.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 6, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Bygones.

I still like the site and the mods. And I know once the Vikings were done, I will turn to this site for a daily sports fix to get me through the long winter. I think there are more like me than you (no offense!), and you’ve got a good deal going—don’t poke Hagar the Horrible in the process.

by PoorDick on Jan 6, 2009 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

well put...

…and fair enough. Bygones.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 6, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm still not helping you

put your tile in, though. Jeezus, finish that basement up already, will you?

by PoorDick on Jan 6, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

:)

I’m almost done with the grouting. I should have everything grouted and sealed by the weekend. Then it’s just getting the plumbing in and repainting the concrete floor. I’ve been sidetracked by hanging a ton of drywall in my basement. I’ve put in 2 walls since I started the other project. Stupid housework.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 6, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

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