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Offense is awesome

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Before I get around to the Wolves' 3rd win in a row, let me take you back to something I wrote in the season preview about the goals for this team:

a- A neutral OE/DE rating.  Last year the Wolves featured the 27th ranked offense and defense.  Overall, they had a -7.4 point gap per 100 possessions.  With the addition of Love, Miller, and a healthy Foye, they should be able to make up 5-6 points on the offensive end of the equation.  What remains to be seen is if they can make up the remainder on the defensive end.

Modest defensive improvement was all that this team had to show in order to compliment what should have been, up to this point, a much better offense.  We're talking upper-lower-middle-class numbers of as close to 108 as possible.  Currently, the Wolves have a DE of 110.2, good for 26th in the league.  This is actually a slight improvement over last year's 111+ rating.  Of course, pace is always a concern but we'll have to see how McHale ball plays out to say more about that. 

Since Christmas (apparently the starting point of good Wolves ball), Our Beloved Zombies have put up OE scores of 121.2 (Kicks W), 97.9 (Magic L), 110.2 (Memphis W), 116.3 (Disaster in Dallas/Casey's Revenge), 113.9 (GSW W), 104.1 (Bulls W; thank the 1st quarter for the low score), 108 (Memphis W).  Over that period OBZs are scoring 104.7 ppg while giving up 102.4.  This team has to win with offense.  Improved situational (see Foye, Randy) and team (see Love, Kevin) defense is needed, but the way that this team was going to close the gap in performance was with guns a'blazing, not with a Bobby Knight clone yelling about defensive discipline while his team slogs its way through game after game.  Right now the Wolves have an OE of 103.8, good for 23rd in the league.  As you can see from the recent streak (albeit against sub-par competition), this number has room for improvement.

Right now the Wolves have a -5.6 ppg differential.  This puts them ahead of GSW, LAC, Washington, OKC, and the Kings; and right behind Memphis, Chicago, New York, Toronto, and Indiana.  You know, teams the Wolves are on par with.  OE-wise, the Wolves are ahead of the Sixers, Griz, Kings, Bobcats, Thunder, and Clips; and they are right behind the Wiz, Bucks, Bulls, Heat, Knicks, and Pacers.  Again, these teams are the Wolves' direct competition.  DE-wise, they are ahead of the Nets, Wiz, Kings, and Warriors; and are directly behind OKC, Portland (?), Toronto, and Phoenix (?).  In other words, this team isn't as bad as its record suggests and they are right in the middle of a fairly sizable chunk of bottom dwellers.  How can they make their way out of this pack?  With improved offense and a solid off-season. 

I cannot stress enough just how important this off-season is.  From the draft to free agency, this is the year where they have to make good on the Garnett trade. This team can start to move away from the bottom-feeding pack with a good off-season.  We'll have more on what they can do in the off-season in a later post.  Hint: it starts with hiring an honest-to-Pete real GM.

Getting around to last night's tilt, the first thing one noticed while watching the game was that no one was in the damn arena.  This is of interest because the last time the Wolves played Memphis, Star Tribune basketball hack columnist Pat Reusse wrote an entire column about the return of the "Wolf that got away" geared around Mayo's ability to pull fans back to the FedEx Forum:

Those few Wolves apologists still to be found locally contend trading Mayo was wise, since it was clear he didn't want to play in Minnesota. The supporting evidence offered was that Mayo declined to work out for the team.

Mayo was asked if that was a proper read on his situation.

"No, not at all," he said. "It was what my agent thought was best for me. Mr. [Leon] Rose has been around this a long time. I just went with what he felt."

There was controversy surrounding Mayo and reported payoffs from the sports agency run by former Gopher Bill Duffy while he was at USC. There were also rumors of Mayo being surrounded by hangers-on -- a situation that makes some teams nervous.

There have been no problems with Mayo in Memphis. The basketball fans there are being drawn back to the Grizzlies by his nightly creativity as a scorer.

No problems? According to the box score, slightly over 10,000 fans showed up to watch the 11-24 Griz.  It's impossible to tell by watching on TV, but my guess is that this count is about 4,000 over the actual number of buts in the seats.  It doesn't really matter.  The Griz have the lowest attendance in the league.  In fact, they are drawing slightly fewer fans than last year's team.  Griz fans are not being drawn back by Mayo's "nightly creativity as a scorer".  They are staying away from a team with a terrible front court that is losing on an increasing clip.  Meanwhile, up in Minny, their attendance is also down.  They, however, have a surprising amount of assets (largely brought about by the Love/Mayo trade) that will allow them to be players in free agency, the draft, and in the trade market.  Fans will come back for good ball, not creative scorers on bad teams.  The Love/Mayo trade put the Wolves in a solid position to become a good team.  Anywho...

Last night's tilt was the first game I can remember in a long, long time where the Wolves led wire-to-wire.  Seriously.  When was the last game where they came out, hit the other team in the mouth, and then stayed out in front throughout the rest of the contest.  The Disaster in Dallas/Casey's Revenge almost counts but they couldn't quite close the deal.  I honestly can't think of the last time this happened.  Any suggestions?

Last night's game was also goofy as all hell.  Check out the Four Factors:

Pace Eff eFG FT/FG OREB% TOr
MIN 87.0 108.0 52.7% 21.6 33.3 21.8
MEM 100.0 42.9% 27.3 33.3 16.1

The Wolves were equaled on the offensive boards, they turned it over a bunch and they didn't get to the line as effectively as Memphis.  How did they win?  I can't believe I'm about to write this, but they won...with solid shooting.  When was the last time they won with solid shooting?  61% in the 1st, 32% in the 2nd, 45% in the 3rd, and 53% in the 4th.  If you take into account Bassy's 2-11 performance, the shooting is even more impressive. 

The Wolves also racked up a season high in turnovers (19) while getting a season high in blocks (11). All 5 of their starters scored in double figures while their bench effectively held serve in key stretches of the game (the end of the 3rd and start of the 4th being the most important ones). 

Speaking of bench players, with Kevin Ollie out for a few weeks, and after Mike Miller went down with yet another sprained ankle scare, and even after Bassy was sent to the bench for a breather, Rashad McCants could not break into the lineup.  How far into the doghouse is Mr. McCants?  On the 1st night of a winnable B2B, Kevin McHale didn't give Shaddy a minute of burn even though his back court was stretched thin.  It would be very interesting to know what is going on behind the scenes with Shaddy.  It's absolutely baffling that he can't seem to wrap his head around his talent and situation.  How can he not see that this may not just be his last best chance with the Wolves, but his last best chance with the league.  He's awful.  I'll remind everyone once again of what I wrote about him back in mid-December:

Moving over to Rashad McCants, Shaddy is currently the only guard in NBA history (with the minimum number of minutes required to qualify for the scoring title) to average less than 35% from the floor, 25.5% from 3, 1 apg, and 10 ppg.  He is epically bad.  If you extend these numbers to forwards and centers, only a 36 year old Jerome Kersey (98/99), Manute Bol (89/90), and Chuck Hayes (current season) can compete with Shaddy's ineptitude.  Each and every single Wolves fan should quickly end any fantasy of Shaddy being traded for anything other than a toaster.  He may be the single most ineffective regular in the NBA.

He is having a historically awful season while dating a d-list celebrity and getting zero burn.  His most memorable on-court moment this year was when he jawed off at LeBron before getting laughed at and torched by the best player on the planet.  How delusional is this guy to not see what is happening to his career?  You. Are. Not. An. A-lister. You. Are. Not.  A. Star.  There is nothing wrong with this.  You can have a fantastic career as an off-the-bench energy guy who can play solid defense while bringing above-average 3 point shooting.  It's obvious to everyone but you.  As someone who has defended him in the past, his current situation is especially frustrating to watch.  If only there were a way to put Ollie's or Cardinal's brain in Shaddy's head.

Wrapping this thing up, the 2nd and 3rd biggest things that jumped out at me about last night's game (outside of the empty arena) were a) Kevin McHale's increasingly obvious inability to properly handle his lineup in high leverage situations, and b) this team is in desperate need of another point guard. 

As far as McHale goes, how much slack should he be given?  After all, he is sort of a rookie coach.  He clearly has this team playing better ball and the players seem to be responding and...gasp...improving.  That being said, it can be painful to watch his in-game meltdowns with substitution patterns, timeouts, and the use of other assorted important coaching tools.  He often uses these things correctly (last night he made yet another solid TO call when the offense became stagnant), but he also fails in spectacular Disaster-in-Dallas/Casey's-Revenge fashion.  How much slack should he get? 

Secondly, while Randy Foye had yet another fantastic game (complete with 4th Quarter Foye fireworks on both ends of the court), he was the primary culprit in the offensive downturn when Bassy left the court in the 1st half.  He's not a point.  He's not a point.  He's not a point.  He's been solid of late, and he may even be a starting-level 2, but he's not a point.  Once again: he's not a point.  Is Shaun Livingston good for 10-15 mpg?  Would he be interested?  Would he be effective? Whatever the case, with Shaddy apparently adding nothing to the mix this team needs some back court help with Ollie out with a dislocated elbow.  With very winnable games against OKC, Milwaukee, and Miami on the horizon, the Wolves need to take advantage of this weak chunk of their schedule to get some wins, keep increasing their confidence, and giving fans reasons to come back to Target Center and watch a creative offensive team.

Here's hoping for another win tonight against OKC. 

Until later.

BTW: Darius Miles was released after the game.  Portland's cap space is safe...for now.  Howver, Miles could likely be resigned after this weekend as his contract will not have to be guaranteed for the entire season.  It's weird how the NBA's CBA turns players into meaningless dollar signs.

UPDATE: Zgoda makes a good point about the Wolves' physical play.  They've had noticeably sharper elbows since Christmas.  They've also been on the floor a ton with hustle plays.  Last night Brian Cardinal made the hustle play of the year; keeping a possession alive with an all-out backwards dive to tip a loose ball to a teammate.  I will never understand how a basic dunk can get more highlight time than an awesome hustle play like this.

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Agreed with your comments, and I just want to amplify a couple of things:

1. To your point on McHale’s coaching, how can you NOT go offense/defense when the game is close/tied? What is Miller doing on the floor coming out of a timeout for a defensive possession and you have timeouts remaining? Why is Gomes playing the 4? It didn’t bite us last night, but it will in coming games. The only possible explanation is the last time he coached, given the veteran nature of the team, there was no need to do that, so he hasn’t even thought of it. But how come one of the assistants isn’t saying “let’s put carney in for Miller and then when we get possession we’ll call timeout”. This is JV stuff, and SOMEONE needs to point it out.
2. I guess I’ll have to be satisfied with us beating teams we should, but before I get too excited, I’ll have to see better play against some of the better teams in the league. I hope they keep winning the games they should — they clearly could be the 10th best team in the western conference, but the gap between them and #9 is HUGE. And since Dallas blew up our would-be 5 game winning streak, they lost to MEM and barely got by the LAC at home last night. Not a good stretch for them, and we still pissed that game away.
3. Watching Foye try to run the point (and just pass generally — he’s the master at the lazy pass from the wing to the top of the key that gets easily stolen by the other team leading to a layup/foul) makes me wonder if we shouldn’t at least give shaddy some ball handling responsibilities at least until we sign an actual PG. It might actually help him remember this is actually a team game. I know it’s probably an absurd idea, but better than having Foye out there for 10-15mn and Telfair WILL hurt us if he has too many 2-11 games. I’m not relishing the thought of Foye trying to check Westbrook tonight.
4. Tonight’s game should be a good test of this team’s mental state. They should be feeling pretty good, as will OKC. They need to come out and play well, and win a game they should. Here’s hoping it happens.

by Sterno on Jan 7, 2009 9:59 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I love what Shaddy is doing for this team right now… sitting on the bench.

by Pants_ on Jan 7, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hanny

Did anyone else hear this…

JP was on a long diatribe about Mike Miller getting playing time even though he’s afraid to shoot when Hanny quietly said under his breath…“I agree with you Pete”.

I can’t remember the last time I heard Hanny say something negative about the team.

by Blakeley on Jan 7, 2009 10:17 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

That's awesome.

You don’t hear that much from Hanny.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 7, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Best acquisition

I don’t know how we can make the space for this, given the potential value of our expiring contracts, but even given our need for PG (which really is stating the obvious), we need to pick up Darius Miles. We have enough worries about being the also rans for a long time against Portland without also giving them the ability to pick up new free agents. With this being a lost season, it seems Miles would have far more long term value to the wolves than Carney. Plus, can you imagine if he stuck with the team? It would be the feel good story of the year, giving Miles his Nth chance while Portland picks up the bill completely disguises the cynical nature of the pick up.

by midlife crisis on Jan 7, 2009 10:42 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

hmmm, this is interesting

stick it to another team in the division, on the cheap no less. Just like football.

by plinytheelder on Jan 7, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a fan...

….of anything that restricts Portland’s ability to operate in 09 free agency. I think the Wolves absolutely have to be the main players this year. If they can move Miller (or Miller + Cardinal) in a deal before the end of the season, and if signing Miles would handicap Portland as their main competition, I’m all for it. I don’t know if a 10 day contract counts against Portland at this point.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 7, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

oh by the way

any word on why Memphis released him? I thought he looked fine last night, not a superstar but definitely not out of place. If he was as cheap as I understand he was, why not keep him on? And what, if anything, does this say about their FO – after all they’re jettisoning a guy who gave them what, 15 min. last night?

by plinytheelder on Jan 7, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

it was because...

…they would have had to guarantee his contract if he wasn’t released immediately. I believe this Saturday is the date that locks in contracts for the year. He has to have 48 hours to clear waivers so today is the day guys have to effectively be cut by…I think. I could be slightly off on the days, but he was released because of the cap situation.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 7, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dave...

…at Blazers Edge goes over the Miles stuff here:

http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/1/6/710239/darius-miles-revisited

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 7, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Even if Miles is signed..

…the Blazers can wiggle out from under his cap number.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 7, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

McHale

Is this the same team that captured the “worst team in the NBA” title in 2008? Is McHale really that good a coach, or was Wittless that bad? This is an important question because, if McHale is really that good, Taylor should sign him up for next year.

by Dave T on Jan 7, 2009 10:47 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

That's the biggest question for the rest of the year...

…How good of a coach is McHale? Is it sustainable? Can he learn the x’s and o’s? There are some pretty noticeable flaws with his approach but the results are hard to ignore. Granted, it’s against bad competition and the answer to this question could be answered when the schedule turns tough again, but if this team can get to around 25 wins while playing exciting ball, I think they would be hard pressed to find a coach who could provide more improvement; especially if player development occurs.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 7, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

McHale as coach

Having listen to him as a broadcaster, GM and coach, I am convinced that McHale knows more about how to play effectively in the NBA than most VP/GM/Coaches. I am further convinced (at one time I had a pretty good inside source who frequently commented to me) that McHale is an excellent teacher. He knows what needs to be done and can effectively communicate.

Yet I have seen nothing is either coaching stint that indicates that he can “manage” the flow of a game. In his years in Boston, when things when bad, the players typically managed through it themselves. They really did not have superior coaching. As a result, I don’t think McHale ever absorbed how to manage a game. Plus, I honestly don’t think his heart is in it to learn now.

Unfortunately, that is a significant skill needed for the roster we have. Which is why I don’t believe McHale can be the longer term solution.

by Just A Fan on Jan 7, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Teacher vs. Game manager

Although I think a coach should be able to "manage " the flow of the game to extent that he does not completely disrupt a positive flow, I think a teacher is a much more significant skill for this roster than a game manager.

I’m a big fan of coaches who can teach the game no matter the sport. I think the flow can best be taken care of by the players and McHales experience as a Celtic helps prove this point. I like it when a coach knows when to call a timeout, but I’d rather have a team that understands what it needs to do to win a game and stay in it without being called to the bench.

McHale teaching the finer points of the game such as physical and hustle plays mentioned in the update on Zgoda are examples of how a team can take another team out of a run that doesn’t require a coach to call a timeout. The flow to a game is often best when players are reacting instinctively and know the basics of the offense as well as understand the finer points of the game. I agree with McHale when he says he just has basketball players and they all have to just play. Sometimes coaching is as much about knowing how to stay out of the way as it is trying to manage the game.

by Andy B on Jan 7, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He seems to have a good chunk..

…of it down but I agree with what Just a Fan is saying about his ability to manage a game in several key areas. When Casey was with the club one of the knocks against him was that he left points on the table by getting outcoached. McHale has these guys playing better but is also leaving points on the table with his really weird approach when a game looks to be getting out of hand or near the end of quarters, halves, and games. He appears to be teaching them how to play but I’d be worried how he’d work in a situation up against a real game manager like Pops. Game management matters a lot in high leverage situations and he’s done some weird things so far.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 7, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I think you're right

about Pops, but for right now, the teaching is more important than the game managing imo. We’re still at the stage of developing talent and getting away from the bottom dwellers. Casey had Garnett and the expectation was still that the Wolves should be competing with SA. The fact that they weren’t was laid at Casey’s feet, when in fact, they probably didn’t have the talent to play with the SAs of the league. Now, there are no expectations of playing with SA or any of the other elite teams. I’d be very happy about losing a game or even a series in the playoffs next year or the year after because of a dunderheaded move by McHale managing the game. The goal right now is to get in that position where the players are competing at a level that it matters more what McHales does during the game.

I’d argue that even the meltdown against Dallas was a coaching success for McHale b ecause of how the players have responded since. McHale kept it in perspective for the players. They needed that perspective. The Wolves would still be feeling a loss like that for a Wittman team and they feel it untill the end of the season. Under McHale that loss is far removed from their minds and play.

by Andy B on Jan 7, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

solid points

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 7, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Promoting Confidence Through Game Management

One of the things that everyone points out, and rightly so, is the ability for the young guys to gain experience while building confidence. I think McHale has done some pretty good things (such as bring Love off the bench against the 2nd stringers) to help the guys especially in rotations.

But did McHale do anything in the 4th quarter against Dallas to help instill confidence? In the last 1:30 last night, did you see anything in the timeout huddles that indicated McHale was putting his guys is a position to succeed? If Foye misses the 3 (a No! No! No! YES moment for me), I don’t believe we win.

Our possessions in the 3.5 minutes before Foye’s 3 were 2 turnovers, 1 missed bunny and 2 forced 3’s (what was Miller thinking?). That is poor decision making on the players part and poor game management from the coach. Where was the clear out and get fouled strategy that worked so effectively earlier in the game? Is it not the coaches job to limit the poor decision making of his team?

But we won, and confidence is higher for tonight. Frankly, it should not have been that nail biting. That is where I think McHale fails the team.

by Just A Fan on Jan 7, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

equally solid points...

….McHale certainly brings a mixed bag of goods to the table as a coach. He has them doing some very good things but it could go south in a hurry; whether that is in a game, a week, or a month.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 7, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Two things

First the attendance: At one point during the game, Hanny reads a statement that the “official” attendance is 10,000 and change. Pete starts laughing, and Hanny says “Hey, I just read what they give me.”

Second, I think people need to start preparing for the possibility that this is the new front office. I remember after Garnett was traded, Britt Robson had an interview with Glen Taylor about the situation. Among the other things asked was, since the trade of Garnett is essentially admitted that McHale failed as a GM, why didn’t he get fired. And Taylor’s answer implied (at least to me) that Taylor wasn’t satisfied with the potential replacements they had in-house, and thus kept McHale.

by McCleak on Jan 7, 2009 11:10 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I hear you about preparing for the Triangle being the front office...

….I think it’s almost unavoidable at this point. I’d like to believe otherwise but…well, we’ll just have to wait and see.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 7, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, interesting point.

And hilarious about Hanny, I must have missed that, that’s funny as hell.

by plinytheelder on Jan 7, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I don't mind for this offseason

I believe (am not positive, but believe) that teams need permission to talk with front office people in the NBA. As much as I would like to see Lindsey Hunter, Dean Oliver, or Dennis Lindsey running the show, the Wolves won’t have a crack at them until the offseason. Can you imagine a situation where the Wolves have to wait until after the Finals, run through a series of interviews, select their guy, integrate him with Taylor, McHale, and the front office and then have him turn around and deal with 4 drafts picks, cap space, and the trading that this team is probably going to do? No matter who the new guy is, I think that’s a recipe for disaster.

by McCleak on Jan 7, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I probably sound like a broken record,

and I’m possibly the one guy (well along with McHale ;) who still thinks this, but I’m fine with Foye at PG, and I think he has a future at PG. Wait, let me rephrase that. What I mean is this: his skill set, to me, screams combo guard. In other words, I very much like the way McHale is using him: I’m just looking at a stat sheet, Foye played 39 minutes last night, and since Telfair played 34, this gives Foye 25 min. at the 2, 14 at the 1. To me, this seems about right – I’m fine with him splitting minutes between the 1 and the 2, with a few more minutes at the 2 given the personnel on this team, and given that he’s better there right now.

I agree that he’s better right now at the 2, but I think he’s already improved this season at the 1 (no longer playing the bulk of his minutes there helps), and that he’s not as bad there as people seem to think. To take last night’s game: it’s true that that the O stagnated when Telfair went to the bench in the first half, but let’s remember a few things: first, Telfair was having his best game of the year, at least of the games I’ve seen; I’ve seen the O stagnate plenty of times when the D sags off Telfair and he can’t hit his shot, or when he gets out of control on his drives. Second, the O continued to stagnate at the end of the first half when Telfair returned. Third, I thought Foye’s stint at the point in the 2nd half was much better (and this with a lineup of Cardinal, Miller, Love and Carney). He hit one of his 3s during that stint, and it was a very Billups-like possession: i.e., Foye didn’t simply say “I need to stop looking for mine because I’m the pg now.” This, to me, is the no.1 key to him playing well at the 1: not ceasing to look for his own offence, even if once in a while it means just bringing the ball up and shooting it if the D is playing him that way.

Anyways, I agree that right now he’s better at the 2 than the 1. To me, it’s a skill-set question: I think Foye has the quickness, ballhandling ability, passing ability, etc., to be able to play the 1 (agreed with Sterno’s point about the lazy passes, but let’s remember that the lazy pass at the beginning of the 1st q. last night was his only turnover), just as he has the shooting and attacking ability and the size, more or less, to play the 2. My point is simply this: I think his most optimal future prospects are as a combo guard. At the 1, I think it’s simply a matter of him realizing that he is not going to be the same kind of 1 as, say, Telfair, or any “pure” pg. I think his 2nd half stint showed that at the very least, he has developed in this regard.

This isn’t to say that I don’t think they should sign Livingston, or another point; if not, it will be catastrophic of either Telfair or Foye gets injured. However, I if they bring in, say, Ahearn, I’d like to see him used strictly as a precautionary measure, i.e., I’d still like to see Foye get his 10-14 min.s per game at the point.

by plinytheelder on Jan 7, 2009 11:27 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

signing Livingston

I don’t think I’ve heard one person say a negative thing about signing Livingston, but does anyone think that our team will actually try to get him. Since Garnett left, and we’ve actually had cap room, it doesn’t seem like the FO pursues any players that could help the team. In fact, it seems like much of the “I really like this team” verbiage is a cover for “we can’t spend more of Glen’s money”

by midlife crisis on Jan 7, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd be shocked if several teams don't try to get Livingston

as for the not spending, what could they have spent it on? Blown the MLE on some mediocre veteran?

by McCleak on Jan 7, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think..

….Livingston is more of a 10 day contract sort of investment at this point; or even just a deal until the end of the year. I think the Wolves should sit tight on their wallet unless they can pull off a sign and trade for a guy like AK47, Caron Butler, or Kevin Martin. If they can carry a large amount of cap space into this off-season they can be big players by either signing unrestricted free agents (Ben Gordon, Trevor Ariza, Shawn Marion), restricted free agents (Josh Childress, Ray Felton, Hakim Warrick, David Lee), or trading for players that either have ETOs or big contracts on teams going in the wrong direction (see AK47, Butler, and Martin).

If Odom is down for longer than expected, how about calling up the Lakers and offering Miller (and perhaps Shaddy) for something involving Farmar and/or Ariza? How about a 3 way deal involving the Bulls and Ty Thomas? These are just ideas off the top of my head but there are a lot of things the Wolves could do with their money this off-season and they shouldn’t feel rushed to spend on anything right now unless it’s a sign and trade bringing back a solid player. There is no need to spend anything right now.

Personally, I think it depends a lot on who they get in the draft. Ideally, they get a starting point and they then move for a solid shooting guard in a sign-and-trade. The draft needs to be about the back court. Free agency can be about a small forward or shooting guard and a back up back court player. They need to pull a trade for a perimeter scorer and some athleticism in the front court.

Draft targets:

Harden, Rubio, Jennings, Holiday

Trade targets:

Caron Butler, Kevin Martin, Joe Johnson, Richard Hamilton, AK47, Ty Thomas, Brandon Wright

Free agent targets:

Ben Gordon, Trevor Ariza, Bobby Jackson, Josh Childress, Marvin Williams, Hakim Warrick

Any other ideas for targets in these 3 areas?

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 7, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Other Trade Targets

One other name not mentioned that I kind of find interesting is Hedo Turkoglu. He could be a fee agent this year, and I like his game (on the offensive end at least). He can nail the three and also create his own shot off the dribble. He does this without using a ton of athleticism, so I don’t expect his skills to depreciate that much as he gets holder.

I totally agree though that the top two players out there for the Wolves to try to pick off are Caron Butler and Kevin Martin. I can’t imagine either team trading those guys (especially Sac), but both would sure look good next to Big Al.

by Blakeley on Jan 7, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If you're feeling particuarly experimental

Paul Millsap as a free agent target, then see if he works at SF as a cross between Smith, Gomes, and amphetamines.

by McCleak on Jan 7, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

When in doubt...

…always add a bottle of the crazy bird.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 7, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

umm

i think that combination gets you a two-way gary trent

by secretarykissinger on Jan 7, 2009 5:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

hot gratuitous GT reference

by plinytheelder on Jan 7, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking more...

of a point guard (or defensive center last year). The lack of planning reminds me of the Vikings fixation on T-Jack. It’s as if planning for the future would have been an admission that the “plan” was broken. Well, now that the plan is proven broken (in both circumstances), we should expect different behavior… but we might not get it.

by midlife crisis on Jan 7, 2009 11:39 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Waived PG

What about Dee Brown? We can pick him up off the wire and my understanding is he is a decent backup. Why wouldn’t he fit here?

I am constantly amazed by my own lack of knowledge.

by frankenhoops on Jan 7, 2009 4:42 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

If he can dribble and run at the same time...

…and is willing to play on 10 day contracts, bring him in. I would like to see Ahearn get another shot.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 7, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dee Brown?

must be about 45 by now no?

by plinytheelder on Jan 7, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

First Quarter!

He’s like clock-work just call him the quarter name. Boom he’ll sink a trey!

organic through and through

by DrakeSax82 on Jan 7, 2009 7:12 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Pretty nice right handed floater

First Quarter is feeling it.

i know why too….he’s into rhythm.

organic through and through

by DrakeSax82 on Jan 7, 2009 7:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Jeff Green?

Isn’t he a combo forward? I mean good god that man makes Corey Brewer look ripped.

organic through and through

by DrakeSax82 on Jan 7, 2009 7:15 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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