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(Oleisky Pecherov after the game.)

Since last night's Wolves/Bulls tilt was broadcast on FSN somewhere in the neighborhood of 12:30 AM, and since I would never dream of telling people to watch pirated game streams...cough...today's wrap-up post will be less wrap-up and more general thoughts about the Wolves at this point in the preseason. 


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  • Stewie can probably defend better than Pecherov.
  • Mike Miller actually shot the ball for the Wiz last night.  Maybe it's the new hair dye. It also looks like 4th Quarter Foye made a small appearance.  I don't really have anything other to say than: Prepare yourselves Wiz fans...prepare yourselves.  I won't say what for, but you'll know it when you see it.  (Hint: it has something to do with Magic Mike and kamikaze drives down the right side of hte lane.)
  • It will be really interesting to see Corey Brewer's on/off OE/DE numbers this season.  Last year the Wolves were significantly better on defense while he was on the court compared to when he was off.  The (relative) positive here was that while this was happening, the team's OE stayed remarkably constant.  In other words, Brewer's offensive ineptitude didn't hurt the team more than his defensive impact helped it.  (Keep in mind we're still talking about a crappy team here.)   Is Brewer a plus defender?  Mark this one down as one of the big questions of the year.  Is he as good as we think he can be or is it a bunch of smoke and mirrors? 
  • Kevin Love got rid of his Color Me Bad beard.  
  • With Jonny Flynn and Ramon Sessions on the roster, and with Ricky Rubio overseas, does anyone have any nostalgia for the Kirk Hinrich trade that never happened? 
  • I will never, ever approve of black athletic socks.

Well that about does it.  The cuts should start in the next few days or so.  Who will stay and who will go from the bottom half of the roster? 

What say you?

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Sorry SnP

I like the black athletic socks.

Pining for a Troy Hudson/Marko Jaric backcourt.

by SBG on Oct 15, 2009 8:08 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

but only with black shoes

white socks with non-white shoes is a fashion faux pas IMO…but not nearly as offensive as KLove’s skinny beard.

Love-Jefferson…can they coexist? Who goes, who stays and what could we expect to get in a trade?

by DougW on Oct 15, 2009 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can just picture my mom..

…telling me that the black socks are for church and the white ones are for everything else. ;)

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 15, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm wearing them right now

They’re of the sub-ankle variety, though.

by nja700 on Oct 15, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Preseason

- Although Rambis is tinkering big-time with the rotation throughout the game, the bottom-line is that our starting unit has been waxed in both games by the opposing team’s starting unit. Not good.
- On Brewer’s volume of FGA’s, he’s probably one of the only players other than Jefferson that can get his shot off. Playing with Gomes, he’s finding himself being guarded by shorter SG’s and Rambis has probably given him the green light. Gomes and Love aren’t shot creators and Flynn is being told to orchestrate. That leaves Jefferson and Brewer. Someone has to shoot! It’s just sad that the man cannot hit a jump shot.
- Good things happen when Brian Cardinal and Ramon sessions are on the court. Both have posted solidly in the + column in all three games.
- Not everyone is getting to the line at a ridiculous rate with the replacement refs. That’s 3-games straight now for Flynn, so there must be something more than just incompetent refereeing going on here.
- I know it’s early, but I still think Jefferson is at risk of being the fall-guy this season. I think there is a 50/50 chance he gets traded within a year. You can’t be a player that is totally useless when not scoring.

by Rascal Flatts on Oct 15, 2009 8:18 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree on your Jefferson call...

I don’t see a Love-Jefferson frontcourt as being able to consistently defend. I see Love as having a much better all around game, being a player who makes others better, and being able to thrive in most any system. To me, he’s the obvious keeper of the two.

I say we showcase Al this season, boost his numbers and look for the best trade we can find.

by DougW on Oct 15, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's my problem with trading Jefferson.

To win in the playoffs, you need to be able to get buckets in crunch time. If you trade Jefferson, who does that for this team? Are we ready to say Flynn can handle that by himself already?

Don’t read it the wrong way. I’m not saying Big Al is a perfect player, good on D, etc. But if/when the Wolves do make the leap to the playoffs you have to be ready for this or it’s one round and out. And I’ve seen enough of that.

by Punisher#8 on Oct 15, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe Flynn, if not we hopefully get that guy through the draft

I don’t think however that there has ever been a highly successful team that was built around a go-to offensive player who plays no defense and makes his teammates worse on both sides.

We need to get to the playoffs first, and can we get there and be good enough to actually compete with Jefferson? I have serious, serious doubts.

by DougW on Oct 15, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al doesn't make his team worse on both sides

Courtesy 82games.com:

Comparing when Al is on court to when he’s off, we…
…have more offensive possessions while limiting the opposing team to fewer possessions.
…still get outscored by a lot, but not nearly as much (191 points fewer) as when he’s off the court.
…our production at whatever position he plays (in terms of PER) is far superior to our opponent’s.

Are some things worse? Certainly. Our rebounding is better when he’s not on the court, probably because it’s harder to gather his misses. Our assist rate is higher when he’s not on the court, most likely because yes, Al can be a bit of a ball hog, but also because no one else is as good at creating their own shot. Lastly, our eFG% is better when Al’s out of the game, probably because Al doesn’t have a high enough FT rate.

Here’s my question—does anyone believe that J. Green, T. Sefolosha, or N. Collison are going to be better go-to players than Al? Do you think any of those guys are can’t miss cornerstone players? Of those three and Al, who has the highest ceiling and greatest potential to become a perennial all-star?

Talking about trading Al at this point, after three preseason games, is ridiculous and short sighted. We keep talking about how we need a CP3 type player, a D.Wade, and yet the closest any trade proposal gets to acquiring that type of player is the promise (and crapshoot) of a first round draft pick. Awesome. Meanwhile we have a guy who is 24 years old, averaged 23.1/11 to KG’s 24 year old season average of 22/11.4, is already perhaps league-best at low-post scoring and who’s single biggest deficiency (defense) has never been a priority of any prior coaching staff and has never had the support of two great defensive coaches (Rambis and Laimbeer). A 24 year old player player who is outstanding at scoring and rebounding who we apparently aren’t willing to give him even a year to show us that he can defend at a league average level. A player who, despite this weakness, still helps his team and regularly dominates his competition (at least in terms of PER) each night.

It just seems to me that we’re a lot closer to finding our D.Wade type player by keeping Al than by trading him. Maybe I’m wrong, but I’m much more excited about giving him a year with Rambis and Laimbeer to figure it out than I am about Jeff Green or Nick Colison.

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by biggity2bit on Oct 15, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely

I would rather have Al Jeff than any of those other guys. Kahn has said that Jeff is a #2 guy. I say we keep going the way we are going, as three preseason games in are NO indication at all to the true effectiveness of our starting five, which I don’t think will be the set up we’ve started with.

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by frankenhoops on Oct 15, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

my opinion

has nothing to do with these three preseason games. It is the past two seasons of watching Jefferson and my belief that Love is going to be the better player.

Please stop the Garnett comparisons, they are ludicrous. Garnett took less talented teams than this one into the playoffs in multiple seasons.

If Jefferson was truly such a transcendent talent you’d think we’d have progressed past being one of the worst teams in the league by now. And, sure he’s only 24, but how long did it take CP3, Lebron, Howard, DWade…?

by DougW on Oct 15, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No way

was last year or the year before a more talented squad than any KG took to the playoffs. I’m saying that without bothering to look anything up, but no way.

by museum on Oct 15, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s not an argument that Jefferson is transcendent. It’s a question of do you truly believe that the team is better off dumping him for role players or a pick and the upside/downside risk that comes along with that?

Scoring isn’t everything, but you can’t win without being able to get buckets. I am a huge Love fan too, but Love doesn’t do what Al does. And just because Kevin Love is good doesn’t mean you have to trade Al. Play the best 5 you can get, it doesn’t have to be paint-by-number with either Love or Al as the 4 and some unnamed 7-footer not on the roster as the 5.

No one is saying Al>KG. But I don’t think Garnett ever took less talented teams than the two Wolves versions Al has played on so far to the playoffs. Not sure which season you are thinking of when saying that. Maybe the year where it was him, Wally and Hudson as the main 3, but he was well into his career at that point and a perennial all-star.

by Punisher#8 on Oct 15, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Scoring isn’t everything, but you can’t win without being able to get buckets."

Exactly. I’m a little surprised at the level of dismissal of Al around here. I think people get a bit too high on Love around here. He’s going to be a good player that does a lot of good things, but you’re not going anywhere without a go-to guy like Al. Kevin is not going to be that guy.

by museum on Oct 15, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK

To say that Garnett took worse teams to the playoffs may be a slightly exaggerating….but take any of those teams from the Garnett years and swap in Jefferson and tell me even those best teams win 30 games. And look at the career trajectory of some of those supposedly “good” players after they left the Wolves and no longer had KG as a teammate. I can think of a grand total of one (Billups) who did not go to crap.

Anyways, I know your point is not that Al is better than KG. But why does every defense/praise of Jefferson begin and end with his stats? I think there is much more to evaluating a player…first and foremost their ability to contribute to the team’s success. And Jefferson has yet to show much ability in this category in six pro seasons.

by DougW on Oct 15, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it needs to be said point blank

Al is not a leader. KG was. KG took it upon himself to learn how to do what he needed to do and held his teammates to the same standard. As a result of that and how versatile he was on the court, he made his teammates better. I have never seen or heard of Al doing anything like this. Fact of the matter is that Al probably needs a player like that around him to hold him to the grindstone to reach his potential.

The fact that Al can’t do this himself should indicate to everyone that he is not, nor will be a #1 on a contending team. No #1 I can think of didn’t have the internal drive to be great regardless of who was around you. Do you think that D12, Lebron, Kobe or Wade need to have someone around everyday getting on their case? Hell no.

I like Al and think the wolves should try to keep him if they can. But the wolves are at the point in their trajectory where they need to be trading multiple assets for one better asset, not the other way around.

by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 15, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

Hell, Flynn may develop into the type of leader that Al needs to stay focused and exert the kind of effort he needs. But that requires buy in from Al and that is a pretty steep hill for Flynn to climb no matter how good he is or isn’t.

by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 15, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I don’t see the Al v. KG comparison as necessary or fair.

KG is/was a better player in most facets of the game. But to say he was a leader per se at the same point in his career is a stretch. The Wolves had strong locker-room guys in his early years. Guys like Sam Mitchell, Terry Porter, Michael Williams, Malik Sealy, Terrell Brandon. KG grew into a leader under the wings of players like this.

Al is in a different situation. Less talent on the teams. No strong locker room presence unless we are counting Cardinal, Madsen and Miller (last year) in that camp. I think he shows enough of a passion for winning that maybe it’s worth a season or two with a pro coach like Rambis before writing him off.

Maybe he’s not the #1. He’s not going to be Lebron, Kobe, or KG. But he’s got skills that can help this team and let’s see how it plays out.

by Punisher#8 on Oct 15, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree...

He’s not going to be the reason this team only wins the number of games they do, just like he wasn’t the reason they only won 22 in his last full season. I still want him with the ball if the game’s on the line overwhelmingly more than anyone else.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Oct 15, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Minor quibble
who’s single biggest deficiency (defense) has never been a priority of any prior coaching staff and has never had the support of two great defensive coaches (Rambis and Laimbeer).

Wittman certainly tried to wring defense out of Al Jefferson. It was a major priority of Witt’s, however capable he may have been in that area. Now, as for great coaching, well…. I don’t think either Randy or the Rambis/Laimbeer tandem has proven that, though Randy’s perhaps gone in the other direction….

With respect to the proposed trade — people need to check out Jeff Green’s rebounding numbers. I like versatility as much as the next person but the guy doesn’t seem to have a position, so much.

by feral on Oct 16, 2009 7:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My comparison

Green’s like a more improved Gomes. 3-4 tweener, solid 3-point shot, versatile. He’s a great complimentary player who can do a lot of things. I’d love to have him, but he’s really not worth Al at this point (or ever).

by nja700 on Oct 16, 2009 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Green is very overrated. He should be nothing more than a secondary part in any trade for Jefferson. Any trade with OKC should start with Westbrook and go from there.

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by Xand1 on Oct 16, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There seems to be a clear commitment in the organization for getting to the line. Love already has a big edge on Jefferson in this department. It’s funny that for all the simmering “KG-is-soft” sentiment lurking amongst many observers, media, and (I suspect) team braintrust (I can’t remember how many times McHale said “smashmouth” when he pulled the trigger on that KG deal), Big Al is almost an exact duplicate in terms of drawing fouls.

Maybe they’ll trade him for Biedrins, and the Wolves could just rebound like banshees and live on the charity stripe…

by jianfu on Oct 15, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally useless?

He rarely turns the ball over and is a great rebounder on both ends.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Oct 15, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to see...

Jared Reiner get a spot on this team, since I think he’s at least better than Pecherov, but I doubt it will happen.

by TimAllen on Oct 15, 2009 8:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My gut tells me you're right on Pech

but in his defense, it was his first pre-season game. We need a larger sample size. Ultimately I think my guy Brian Cardinal ends up with the majority of minutes backing up Love at PF.

by Rascal Flatts on Oct 15, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

His first preseason game

after breaking his wrist. Yeah, some time is in order.

The book on Pecherov is that he’s an indiscriminate bomber from three. It’s not like that particular talent is in abundant supply on this roster. He’s also quite a good rebounder, by the numbers. If he could get on the floor and defend at the three, they’d almost have to keep him around.

by feral on Oct 16, 2009 7:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree..

I love AJ’s unselfishness (the way he took a lower contract in order to sign more players to build a winner was awesome) but the guy cannot defend. I’m not sure if it’s a lack of effort or genetics but something needs to change. Love will be the better long-term option. Here’s what I propose:

OKC gets: A. Jefferson
MIN gets: J. Green, T. Sefolosha, N. Collison, and OKC’s own first round pick

OKC would still have the one owed to them by Phoenix so they might consider it. Jeff Green isn’t really a power forward and Jefferson/Durant would be awesome to watch on one side of the court at least…

by SF on Oct 15, 2009 9:07 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

in a heartbeat...

I would do that deal. That is three decent starters, who could become high end back-ups down the road, and a pick.

by DougW on Oct 15, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

in a heartbeat...

I would do that deal. That is three decent starters, who could become high end back-ups down the road, and a pick.

by DougW on Oct 15, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is a STEAL for the Thunder…..medicore players for a stud PF. I wouldnt do it.

by Bellringer21 on Oct 15, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't like the proposal either...

if not for the lotto pick…that’s the clincher. I actually think there’s a really good chance OKC thinks they’d be giving up too much on this one.

by DougW on Oct 15, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No thank you.

by LoveTo on Oct 15, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yikes

Sounds like a McHale trade. Sorry.

by uncle rico on Oct 15, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You describe Oklahoma City's motives

I don’t really see ours, except in taking a flyer on another lottery pick. Jeff Green’s position problem is pretty conspicuous, as you say.

by feral on Oct 16, 2009 7:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow...

give up a star for a bunch of roles players and a pick? man, get off the mchail wagon already!

by DRuss on Oct 16, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jeez, tough crowd

My take on this is that if Rambis is actively preventing Flynn from doing what he does best in order to force him to work on and improve other parts of his game, then why wouldn’t he be doing the exact same thing with other players? Is Flynn a special case?

Consider:
Rambis is letting Brewer jack up 25 FGAs in three games. When is this ever a good idea? But what have we learned? Brewer’s taken 23 FTs and made a good chunk of them. That’s something that I think is amazing and worth finding out in the preseason-Brewer can draw fouls. Who knew?
Rambis let Big Al defend Bosh and Reggie Evans mano a mano. These athletes are proud and highly competitive people. Sometimes nothing lights a fire under a guy than having a weakness exposed-and having your coach give you that “I told you so” smug look. Furthermore, he’s coming back from knee surgery and is not near game shape (according to Rambis, anyways). Al is like the anti-Brewer: his offense is so superior to whoever he’s going against that it outweighs his poor defense.
Kevin Love is jacking up threes. I know everyone here is super excited about Love, and so am I, but let’s face it-Love will never be Dirk. Love is a scrapper, a fighter, and a weasel. He gets in the middle of the scrum, bangs around, and uses his smarts to get open and capitalize on mistakes. Here’s my question—does anyone here really believe Love is a better go-to scorer than Al, especially if Al isn’t around anymore?

In my opinion calling for trading Al after three preseason games is the definition of a knee-jerk reaction to something many of us TWolves fans are unfamiliar with—legitimate optimism. This team has actual potential—we all see it. There’s actual talent there, and a coaching staff with the attitude, intent, and ability to mold that talent into a winning basketball team. And we have an honest to god GM who actually calls people and scouts players and works hard at his job. Add it all up and I know I feel like we’re going to win 45 games sometimes, but then I have to remind myself that Rome wasn’t built in a day.

Al is coming back from surgery and is being asked to play—and being held accountable for—competent defense for the first time. Brewer is being asked to show improvement in his offensive efficiency while becoming a shut-down defender. Flynn is being asked to orchestrate the offense and not just do what he’s always done. That all is going to take time. Even if only two out of three of those player developments actually happen to a league average standard, think about how great an impact that would have on our team. I’m sorry, but trading Al to OKC for all those players, I believe, will not make us any better over the long term than keeping him here and risking on him developing further.

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by biggity2bit on Oct 15, 2009 9:22 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

sorry about the strikethroughs

I always forget that double dashes always strike through a sentence here. Please read as if there were no strike throughs.

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by biggity2bit on Oct 15, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I 100% concur

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by frankenhoops on Oct 15, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trading Al

I’m not calling for trading him right now. We absolutely need to play this thing out at least through the All-Star break prior to putting someone like him on the trade block. However, the concerns around Al have been lurking since at least last season. It’s really a fit issue and whether he and Love can successfully co-exist in a frontcourt that contends for a title. And as long as they get eaten alive defensively, they won’t be able to win a title together. So yes, we need to give it more time. It’s simply my prediction that there is a 50/50 chance that Kahn comes to the conclusion that these two can’t co-exist defensively and decides to trade the guy that can garner him another significant asset in return.

by Rascal Flatts on Oct 15, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's the early preseason

Exactly. Along about the middle of the preseason cycle, we’re going to start seeing the outlines of the real style of play, here, and then toward the end the Wolves will probably try to get toward their start-of-season rotation.

These games are interesting to watch. They do tell us stuff. (Extending Corey Brewer seems like a bad idea right now.) But divining the long-term worth of guys like Al Jefferson at the moment would be the wrong sort of judgment to make.

by feral on Oct 16, 2009 7:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Love won’t be Dirk from range, but he might be Rasheed.

by Punisher#8 on Oct 15, 2009 9:26 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

meant to respond to the b2b post above

by Punisher#8 on Oct 15, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good comparison

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by Wim (Belgium) on Oct 16, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How bad is Pecherov

I mean I know he’s coming back from an injury, but ugh. He is terrible.

by Blakeley on Oct 15, 2009 9:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

knee-jerk reactions

I didn’t stay up to watch the game on FSN, but I did watch quite a bit of the Washington-Cavs game. Miller hit a load of 3’s and Foye had 8 points in something like 37 seconds at the end of the game. Should Wiz fans consider them the second coming? Al had trouble defending some bigs in a new offense after coming back from a severe injury. Pecherov was just cleared to play. Flynn is a raw rookie. Brewer is also coming back from a severe injury that may have pushed his progress back to his rookie year level. I know people are itching for real basketball to start, but keep your powder dry, for crying out loud.

by ogishkemuncie on Oct 15, 2009 10:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

preseason games are not blacked out.....

Just a note to peeps with DirecTV sports package – preseason NBA hoops are not subject to blackout rules, so you could have watched the game live last night on Comcast Sports Chicago instead of recording the wee hours FSN broadcast.

I agree with the Pecherov comments - he’s reallly awful. On a positive note, I thought Brewer played pretty well (all over the court). Although he still suffers from hyperactivity at times, I thought his handle looked pretty decent last night. There were a couple of occasions where he got a rebound at the defensive end, took the ball the full length of the court, challenged multiple defenders (a mistake), but drew the foul (thanks scab refs!).

I was also favorably impressed with Damien Wilkins. Not getting my hopes up too much for someone who we all assume is future cap relief, but in an overall poor team performance, he stood out as one of the better players for the Wolves on both ends of the court. Maybe he can rediscover his Sonics form from 3-4 years ago.

Final note: Am I the only one who appreciates the quality of Jim Pete and Hanny when subjected to the incredibly poor commentating from other local crews? The Chicago guys (Stacey King and some schmuck) were awful. Not only idiotic, but mean spirited. They started the broadcast by suggesting that Target Center should be torn down, constantly ridiculed the Wolves players throughout, went off on a long tirade about what idiots we were to draft Rubio, etc. and so on. They also don’t know a whole hell of a lot about hoops, referring to Chris Richard as a “rookie” on more than one occasion, and never once mentioning that he began his career as a Timberwolf (which would seem of some interest and relevance).

by miami91 on Oct 15, 2009 10:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Am I the only one surprised that Sessions isnt getting more than mid 20s minutes?

by Bellringer21 on Oct 15, 2009 10:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I've definitely noticed it

He and Cardinal are our two best players right now from a pure +/- perspective. And Sessions is arguably our best player right now no matter what measure you use. I get what Kahn and Rambis are trying to do though. They see Flynn as having major upside and want to throw him into the fire right away. And they hope this accelerates his development into an elite NBA point guard. Here’s the only problem…..Ramon Sessions has upside too! He’s barely played two NBA seasons and is still young! I think the difference is that Flynn is so charismatic, and such a natural leader, that Kahn feels like ultimately he will become the embodiment of a floor general. He’s the guy that will fire up the troops when their heads are down. He’s the guy that will call out someone when needs a tongue lashing. He’s the guy that will demand the ball when the game is on the line. I think they see that 5th gear of leadership that perhaps Sessions doesn’t exude, so they are going all-in with Flynn for right now. So yes, I question their logic, but I also understand it.

by Rascal Flatts on Oct 15, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you will see the minutes

balance out between them during the regular season. I think rambis is making the players that need to develop specific things work on their weaknesses now in the preseason to hammer home his points. If it is a weakness in the preseason…then it sure as hell is going to be a weakness in the regular season unless you work on it.

I don’t think sessions needs a lot of preseason work. He is getting his minutes necessary to get the offensive scheme down, but he is a smart player (as is cardinal) in that they play a pretty pure game and know what their weaknesses are.

by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 15, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sessions = Nuke Laloosh....

…at this point while Sessions is a quality 2nd or 3rd starter in the bigs right now.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 15, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No.

But he’s more a known product that Flynn. Rambis is trying to establish a metric, perhaps. Sessions will have to play more during the season if they Pups want to compete.

by uncle rico on Oct 15, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

On Miller and Foye

We’re already prepared and we’ve already seen it. You just happened to catch by far their best games of the preseason.

(At least I’ve seen it. I keep harping on the “goddammit Miller, shoot the damn ball!” criticism).

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Oct 15, 2009 11:09 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Also....

…be prepared for Miller to act like a Euro League soccer player, hitting the deck with Hollywood flavor every time he is nicked. Magic Mike is a heroic player in his own head. He also had the best quote of any Wolf from last year. When asked why he wasn’t shooting the ball, he responded “It’s called basketball. It was invented by James Naismith.” …or something very similar.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 15, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Miller returns to his gunslinger ways...

then my suspicion that he was trying to appeal to Dave Berri is only going to increase.

by aarendsvark on Oct 15, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Our local announcers are all over Miller's supposed hustle already

And I’ve made reference tons of times to that quote. From talking to him, he definitely still seems like he’s in that mindset, discussing how scoring is overrated, etc.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Oct 15, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My quick thoughts

From being at the game last night:

1. The first thing I noticed was that the tempo did seem to be a lot faster on both offense and defense. This, should be a good thing given our personnel.
2. HOWEVER, the game was dissapointingly similar to most of last year — a bunch of clanked shots (Brewer looked EXACTLY the same — he had an airball and a clank of the side of the backboard on two baseline J’s, plus a wild drive to the bucket that got backboard and nothing else) and the next thing you know we’re down double-digits in the 1st quarter, shooting under 30% and having mroe TOs than assists. I’m not confident that there’s a lot of progress yet, or that there will be for most of November, given all the new faces that have to figure out how to play together.
3. I think the lack of outside shooting is going to be a BIG concern — if Al thought he saw hard double teams last year, wait til this year.
4. Love and AJ seem to have a bit of chemistry going, and Love was his old scrappy self.
5. The perimiter D has the potential to be so much better than last year it’s just unfathonable. I’m not saying it’s going to translate into a lot of wins, but both Brewer and Pavs can play the passing lanes and are long, and Sessions and probably Flynn are just huge improvements over the other guards. Even a guy like WIlikins looks a lot better than someone like Carney did last year. This will be critical given our lack of a shot blocker other than Hollins (who’s more prone to fouling rather than shot blocking, I think).
6. It will be interesting to see what Rambis does. I think you could throw a team out there of AJ, Love, Gomes, Pavs and Sessions and be reasonably competitive, and could be a legit crunch-time lineup. But if you let guys like Flynn learn on the job and give more minutes than they deserve to Hollins, Brewer and Ellington, it’s going to be a long season. Which may be the plan (i.e., get a top draft pick). Or do you play Wilkins and el Janitor (who was already in mid-season form) a lot off the bench, or do you give minutes to the guys who are probably going to hurt you more than help you?

by Sterno on Oct 15, 2009 12:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wilkins, for all his acknowledged mediocrity

is still a less disastrous offensive player than Corey Brewer at this point, and Damien can play some defense himself. He may not be a game-changing guy on D, but then again he’s not game-changing in a horrible way on the other end.

It’s not like he’s not going to be motivated, given his contract situation.

by feral on Oct 16, 2009 7:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was also at the game last night. It’s too bad the Wolves have to give Pecherov so many minutes, just to find out whether he really is that bad of a player. Ugh. Our starting five look like 5 guys that have not been introduced yet, let alone played together before. Flynn just does not impress me at all. He has a great knack of driving the lane and drawing the foul, but get the offense started? No. Al is working on his jump shot, which is annoying as all get-out. He is not a good jump shooter. Get back in the paint where you belong, Al. Brewer drew some fouls in his usual humorous way, stagger into the lane and bump into someone.
Every time Sessions and Cardinal came into the game it felt like the STARTERS were finally on the floor. Oh yes, this is a professional basketball team. Finally.

by Dave T on Oct 15, 2009 12:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Brewer...

…definitely has the Drunken Master approach to drawing fouls.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 15, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely.

Given how many people have been poked in the eye, kneed in the groin, slapped across the face, or just generally weird-ed out by Brewers out-of-control forays into the lane, you’d think “drunken basketball” was a martial art. Can’t you just see Brewer entering some MMA cage, grinning from ear to ear, basketball in hand? The other guy would be scared sh*tless.

by TheH on Oct 15, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Better Jacky Chan than David Carradine

RIP, Grasshopper.

Sorry, I could not resist. Still chuckling from Stop’s apt simile.

by uncle rico on Oct 15, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Although...

….Brewer could be more Carradine if he chokes on the last shot. Too soon?

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 15, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

From chuckle

to full paroxysm of laughter. Grasshopper appeared to have been unassisted on that last shot.

by uncle rico on Oct 16, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah man, that’s just wrong, but it was so well crafted that I don’t care.

Jennings: F*** the Knicks, them n***** is always going to be weak.

by Xand1 on Oct 16, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One last post

You’re absolutely correct. It is just wrong and I am filled with dread about the possible karmic retributions that will be visited upon me. But one final comment: Grasshopper after the final buzzer also became known as pop n stop. Sorry, no disrespect to our comrade here.

by uncle rico on Oct 17, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

About the replacement refs

I think it was Cuban who said they’re doing a great job because they call the game straight down the line. As in they see a foul and they call it, it doesn’t matter who it is, what point the game is at, etc. I haven’t seen much of any preseason action so far, does anyone who has have a take on that?

by museum on Oct 15, 2009 12:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Wolves will definitely...

…be an interesting test case if the old refs come back and their FTA/game drops by about 20.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 15, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Muse there was a great example of that last night . . .

At the end fo the 1st half. Sessions is dribbling down and tries to do the one-footed-jumpshot about 10 feet outside the 3pt line as the clock is running out.

James Johnson comes from behind and tries to blick it but gets a bit of wrist too.

The ref called the foul with .6 of a second left on the clock.

I don’t think there’s any way that a non-replacement ref makes that call.

by Sterno on Oct 15, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know

That was a pretty blatant foul. It looked like he got part of his head, too.

by TimAllen on Oct 15, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So what your really saying

is that an old ref would see a defender clothesline a shooter with a tenth of a second left…no call. The ref says later…“No way he was going to get the shot off anyway.”

New ref: Defender comes out and blows on a shooter with a tenth of a second left and the ref calls a foul (maybe a technical if it was Tyrone Hill).

by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 15, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One thing to keep in mind

Putting in new systems means that things could take a while to look good. I only watched the first quarter, but that quarter just seemed like a practice with a bigger crowd; they’re working on stuff. Here’s my guess: the team runs the Rambis version of the triangle for the first 3 quarters and then takes the Phil Jackson approach of letting guys win matchups. This’ll mean seeing PnR from Flynn and Sessions and post-ups for Jefferson. Also, I only watched the first quarter, but the Bulls were uncommonly hot from the field, and it’s not like they were shooting layups.

The encouraging thing from what I watched was that it seems like Jefferson and Love will not only be able to play high-post/low-post together on offense, but they can get open shots inside from putting each one at a block. One posts up, the other flashes to the rim.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Oct 15, 2009 12:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think there should

have ever been a doubt that Love and Jefferson could co-exist offensively in the frontcourt. I think the doubt is defensively. I would be interested in some analysis on how Love seems to be doing on that front. If the only front court D issue is half-@$$d D from Al, we should be alright. What are the odds that any opposing player can outscore Al? They have to be few and far between.

Plus, I would have to imagine if Al is the only guy who couldn’t cover his guy on D, that the film sessions would entail a whole bunch of guys looking at a play breakdown…looking at Al and saying….“well guess who blew that play.” Got to be a bitter pill to swallow.

by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 15, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How's this for irony?

Based on how Kahn and Rambis say the want the team to play, what the Wolves need is a 24 year old version of Kevin Garnet, rather than 24 year old Al Jefferson. Nothing against Al, just that KG’s style of play would seem to make a younger version of him a perfect fit to go along with Love and Flynn/Sessions/Rubio.

Trade Al, Pekovic, and one or two draft assets for the next KG and this is a 50 win team in two years.

by Rumblebee on Oct 15, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How's this for basic?

Every team in the league would build its roster around a 24-year-old Kevin Garnett.

by feral on Oct 16, 2009 7:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obviously a good plan

I should have been a little more clear in my irony statement. When the Wolves had KG, they didn’t seem to put a running team around him (something I always felt would have worked great). Then they trade KG for a less athletic PF, and a couple years later decide they want to build a running team.

I really believe had they put more athletic players around KG (instead of Wally and Brandon, eh- the original stop-n-pop) they would have gotten a title out of the KG era.

by Rumblebee on Oct 16, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's kind of like all

those years the gopher football team was a running team…indoors. Then they get an outdoor stadium…and become a passing team.

by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 16, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You understand these things a little better in baseball,

where the “Devil’s theory of park effects” leads teams to accrue talent that’s diametrically opposed to the strengths of their home parks.

by feral on Oct 16, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good example

I remember when moving to the Dome was going to let the team recruit a bunch of southern speedsters. Never really happened. Now it appears they want to return to being a running team. I am a Gopher football season ticket holder and wish I saw them stick to a plan long enough to see if it works.

by Rumblebee on Oct 17, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Something I've always wondered

Why is the focus always on Al outscoring his man? One of the great things about KG (and any good big man) was that he made it hard for anyone on other team to score by patrolling the paint. I’d guess that help D is going to be a big focus in Rambis’s practices.

by aarendsvark on Oct 15, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

After watching more than the first quarter...

I have a bit more to add:

- Jefferson’s definitely still nursing the knee because he lacks explosiveness that he previously had; that itself should indicate that he’s not getting traded this season because he wouldn’t fetch full value
- This team is definitely using the games as scrimmages against other teams; from the scripted rotations to running plays for Love in the low post and involving Jefferson in the PnR, they’re trying to work on extending their offensive repertoire as a team
- the defense will be improved; the rotations are better and led to a lot of steals when the Bulls tried to reverse the ball
- Pavlovic will have to be able to make pull-up Js because defenses will crowd him on the catch
- Cardinal looks good in the rotation but would need to be paired with a strong rebounder because otherwise the team will get owned on the boards when he’s in because he’ll have his hands full playing help D and trying to keep guys much more athletic than him off the glass
- I wish Hollins’ legs and chest were as muscular as his arms
- Brewer is out of control but functional; honestly, I don’t care if it doesn’t look great if he’s a net-plus on the court

by pagingstanleyroberts on Oct 15, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wait for the next KG...

that could take a few decades. I wouldn’t mind Biedrins and Morrow/Azubuike for Jefferson. Those guys are all young, talented, fill needs, and would be great fits.

Can’t see Nellie having much use for Al though…maybe a three way?

by DougW on Oct 15, 2009 6:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yuck, seriously? That’s an atrocious deal. Biedrins is great and all, but he hasn’t improved much in the last year or two beyond a junk-man rebounder (albeit a good one) and Morrow/Azubuike are nothing but role players. If we’re talking a GS deal, it starts with Randolph, and from there I’d probably demand Wright and their pick. Can’t see why they would ever trade for Al, though, as he makes no sense on their team.

I don’t understand the desire around here to move Al for pennies.. He may not be perfect, but he’s damn good. If you’re going to move him, you better be getting pieces that are good now, getting better and fit in our system.

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by Xand1 on Oct 15, 2009 9:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

we need

a young, mobile big that can defend to pair with Love, check…athletic three point shooters at both the 2-3, check. I’ll admit it is slightly light…a first rounder would make it a perfect deal from our end. But…

I think a lot of people here are wildly optimistic on Jefferson’s trade value. He is not a blue chip star and I really doubt that we are going to get one in return. Biedrins is a fantastic role player and perfect fit at a hard to fill position…honestly, I think its much more difficult to find a guy like him than one that can replace Al’s 23 ppg.

by DougW on Oct 16, 2009 4:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Biedrins is, at this point, probably the 3rd or 4th best player on their team behind Monta, Jax and soon Randolph. So you’d move the best player on our team for the 3rd/4th best player on another bad team? That is absolutely terrible from a value standpoint.

And it’s not that Beans is not a good fit, it’s that he’s not as good as Al and throwing in two roleplayers doesn’t make up that difference. You trade away the only guy with a known ability to create shots for a rebounding junk man and put all the shot-creating pressure on Sessions and Flynn. That’s taking a step backward without the chance to take one forward down the line because it’s not like Beans has much room to grow left given that he’s been in the league what, 5, 6 years? That’s just very lopsided. You don’t move a guy as good as Al who’s only 24 years old without getting a shot at a star back, which is why I start with Randolph, one of the few guys who has the potential to turn into something like a 24 year old KG in a few years.

Jennings: F*** the Knicks, them n***** is always going to be weak.

by Xand1 on Oct 16, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We both know these are somewhat moot points since GS would seemingly have zero interest in Al’s skillset…but I think the principle of the trade is interesting.

I look at a potential trade like this as being a step back that allows us to take two steps forward. I am fully aware that we wouldn’t be getting equal value from a gross talent standpoint…Al may be a more valuable player, but is he more valuable to us, given that we have Kevin Love and have committed to playing uptempo?

We give up a guy that has go-to scoring abilities (and let’s not forget, some serious deficiencies) for an extreme defensive upgrade and slightly better-to-even rebounder who fits very well with the rest of the squad and the system we are trying to implement…as well as 1-2 other very nice and needed pieces of the role player puzzle.

We instantly improve our interior defense with an even younger player and take a big hit in scoring. Net, net are we a better team instantly…maybe, maybe not. It’s highly likely that the remaining players are not yet ready to pick up Al’s scoring load, though that is undoubtedly offset, at least somewhat, by better defense.

However, we add an extremely valuable and needed piece for the system we are trying to implement and we can address the lost scoring with our glut of picks, cap space and trade assets over the next two years (one step back, two forward).

Al’s inside scoring ability is “special,” but I don’t think he is a special player, at least not one that is so good that his scoring can’t be replaced with a better fit over the next two seasons. The best value is not necessarily the best player, it is the trade that improves our team the most in the next 3-5 years. I think a trade like this one does that.

by DougW on Oct 16, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

on my last point...

There are some guys that are just so good that it is hard to imagine replacing them. The LeBrons, Duncan, KG, Kobe types…
Then there are the second tier stars, where I would put Jefferson (generously).

Most drafts have at least 5 players that fall into one of those two categories and in any season 2-3 of those tier two guys become available through free agency or a rebuilding inspired trade. We WILL have ample opportunity to replace Jefferson with a player at least as talented!

by DougW on Oct 16, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So if we are not trading Jefferson for that player, what’s wrong with waiting until the player you describe is here? It seems like there’s this undercurrent of wanting to get him out of town ASAP at all costs. Don’t understand at all.

by Punisher#8 on Oct 16, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are overrating Biedrens' defense

This guy was one of the few NBA centers last season to allow a greater eFG% by his opponents than Al Jefferson. Yes, he blocks shots and rebounds, but generally speaking this does not translate into good all around defense in his case. His opponents average 25 pts per 48 minutes with an eFG% of 56%!

http://www.82games.com/0809/08GSW17.HTM#bypos

by Rascal Flatts on Oct 16, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's a stat I wish existed:

What is Kevin Love’s rebound percentage of missed field goals specifically by Al Jefferson?

It was one of the few positives I took from a mostly dreary game. Love seems to be developing a real knack for finding a choice spot underneath the rim as the opposing defense shifts to wall off Jefferson. It’s not something that will show up in the box score, but it essentially makes Jefferson into a more efficient offensive player. If he can shoot 10 of 20, but have Love convert 3 or 4 of those misses into points, he (or rather, they) suddenly becomes a much more effective source of offense.

It’s something to think about with regards to the trade Jefferson talks above. A Biedrins type of center would not take as many shots or draw as much attention as Jefferson, which would in turn decrease Love’s 2nd chance opportunities. Love may be the more efficient scorer now, but how much would his efficiency suffer if he had to get more of his offense in the form of isolations in the post and less from put backs and passes out of a double team?

by John Doe on Oct 15, 2009 11:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know...

…about his offensive rebounds of Jefferson, but Love has been freaky good on the offensive glass this preseason. Take the Bulls game for instance. The Bulls missed 47 shots in 48 minutes. Love had 8 DReb in 24 minutes. While popcorn machine isn’t up and running, let’s imagine that he gathered those 8 boards at roughly the same overall pace as the Bulls made shots throughout the game. I.E. they missed 23.5 shots in 24 minutes and Love collected 8 of them.

In the Raptors game Toronto missed 35 shots and Love collected 9 DReb in 28 minutes. We can’t know for sure until popcorn machine starts its game flows but the guy is most likely grabbing well north of 30% of available defensive rebounds.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 16, 2009 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not unprecedented

In the history of the NBA, there are lots of players who’ve rebounded at that 30% rate in limited minutes.

There are also a few who’ve played, to set an arbitrary floor, more than 2000 minutes. There’ve been 25 individual seasons in which players did that, to be precise.

Kevin Love’s rebounding rates as a rookie were in elite company among other rookies. We’ll see if he can become the second coming of Swen Nater on the glass or not, though.

by feral on Oct 16, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Incidentally

Those 25 seasons’ worth of 30% defensive rebounding rate were turned in by 14 players.

14 players ever have done that.

by feral on Oct 16, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW:

how awesome is troy murphy on the defensive boards?

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 16, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome, and yet

in his first season? Troy Murphy played his share (1448 minutes), and his rookie numbers compared thusly to Mr. Love’s single year so far:

ORB%
  Love———15.1
  Murphy——-7.1
   
DRB%
  Love———-27.3
  Murphy——17.0

TRB%
  Love———-21.0
  Murphy——11.9

Murphy was also more than a full year older than Love, in their respective rookie seasons.

Kevin Love has some potential. When you said 30% I scoffed, at first.

by feral on Oct 16, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the real question is this:

What is Love’s OReb% of Al’s misses vs. Timberwolf X? If it’s the same, then it doesn’t matter that Al misses a bunch of shots. If someone else is garnering those misses, Love is still rebounding the ball at the same rate. If on the other hand, Love’s OReb% is greater on Al’s misses vs. other people’s misses, then the Al-draws-a-lot-of-attention effect is a net positive because it’s leading to a greater frequency of extended possessions. My guess is there is very little statistical difference, especially this year. The reason is that Sessions/Flynn can really get to the hoop, and they will equally open up OReb opportunities for Love. We’d probably need someone like Synergy Sports data to answer your question.

by Rascal Flatts on Oct 16, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

but keep this in mind as well

if we didn’t have Al and had some other low post scorer, would that necessarily reduce Love contributions? I guess my preferred order is 1. Hit your shot, and 2. If you can’t hit your shot (which you then probably shouldn’t be taking it) then I hope Love gets the rebound and easy putback.

by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 16, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know

Another question might be, what if you replaced Love with Big Man X and does Big ManX’s OReb% also go up when Big Al misses his shots vs. other players. The ultimate question is this: Does one man produce “better” misses than another man’s, assuming eFG% is the same? If the answer is Yes with Big Al, then his relative inefficient TS% is a little misleading since all the attention he gets in the block leads to more o-rebounds when compared to other people’s misses. OK, I’ve gone way too deep on this one!

by Rascal Flatts on Oct 16, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Logic

would tell me that Oreb has more to do with placement, which Love is good at and a lot of other people such at. So I would guess that if you plugged in someone else, the rebound rate would drop.

Easy test, what if you compared Al’s 2007-2008 frontcourt partners to Love?

by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 16, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Understood and agree

But the question I have (and I think it’s the one John Doe is posing), is does Al Jefferson’s presence improve any given player’s OReb% versus what they would normally do without Jefferson’s presence? Hell yeah, Love is an excellent OReb% regardless, but is he even better on Jefferson’s misses because of the attention Big Al draws?

by Rascal Flatts on Oct 16, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have an ally!

What I am suggesting is twofold:
1) That Love rebounds a greater percentage of Jefferson’s misses than Timberwolves’ misses as a whole.
2) That the shots Jefferson is taking and missing provide a better opportunity for Love to rebound them than those of a different center, were Jefferson to be replaced. (If for no other reason than volume; Jefferson’s 19.5 FGA/game last season led the next highest center by 6!)

This is based entirely on empirical observations. The statistics we have aren’t close to being specific enough to tell us for sure.

It makes a lot of sense though. When Al is putting the moves on someone, the defense shifts to bring help defenders almost every time, which decreases the likelihood that Love will have someone on his hip ready to box him out. Furthermore, when Al misses a shot, it won’t be in the air as long as a jumper, nor will it bounce as hard or unpredictably off the rim, allowing Love a better chance to use his superior rebounding instincts to track it down before the defense can react.

It’s another aspect of the Love/Jefferson combo that’s worth taking into account. Yes, Jefferson is a lousy passer, but if some of his shots bounce right into Love’s hands for a putback dunk or layup, is that not, in effect, the same as an assist? And while Love appears to be the more efficient scorer of the two, isn’t some of his efficiency a direct result of feeding off of the attention Jefferson draws, for which Jefferson deserves an equal share of the credit?

by John Doe on Oct 16, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

God, basketball is complicated.

by LoveTo on Oct 18, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heres How i think the roster will break down by Position

C- Al, Hollins, Pecherov (to keep something on the roster from the Miller/Foye Trade)
PF – Love, Cardinal
SF- Brewer, Gomes, Pavlovic
SG – Wilkins, Ellington, Hart
PG – Flynn, Sessions, Devin Green

by TonyO on Oct 16, 2009 12:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Devin Green is a Small Forward and Hart is a PG btw. I think the only one with a chance of making the squad from the TC invites is Hart, and even he is a stretch.

by WallyW0rld on Oct 16, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that

Reiner has a shot as well. Simply from the standpoint that he gives the wolves a nice complement of big men for scrimage purposes and he really seems to be buying into Rambis’s teaching style. Kind of one of those guys it’s nice to be able to practice against and the coaches like because he has the right attitude.

by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 16, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reiner hasn’t looked half horrible in the two pre-season games he played. It just seems to me the theme is “13 players on the final roster this season.” You would think they are pushing hard for an upgrade over Hart via trade, and will cut everyone else and utiize 10 day contracts (once available) in case of injuries.

But I have been a big proponent of keeping an undrafted/2nd round dropout guy. Gems ALWAYS exist in every draft. Look at GS with Michael Redd Jr. Anthony Morrow. Thats why I was somewhat surprised we didn’t even give McClinton a shot, but he just must have been flat out horrible.

by WallyW0rld on Oct 16, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just don’t see “Bambi” Pecherov as a center. If he saw the Rhino barreling down the lane, he would run out to the perimeter to “guard” someone. That’s why I also think Reiner has a shot. Hollins’ assets are speed and height, not muscle.

by Dave T on Oct 16, 2009 11:06 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Al needs a more prototype C to

go up against in practice. I’m sorry, but Hollins and Pecherov aren’t going to make him better. He could just back them down and push them out of his way. I think the only guys to play the 2/3 will be Brewer, Gomes, Pavlovic, Wilkins and Ellington. I think the wolves run with 14 this year. They will likely keep Reiner and Try to get a relative veteran PG

by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 16, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking as a blogger

goddamnit SNP, you made me spray vodka and orange juice out of my nose.

The headline, picture and caption just caught me right.

I thought you guys were being cruel until I finally saw Pecherov. To be fair to Oleg, his head doesn’t look (exactly) like he was thrown up against the ceiling too hard.

I think you’ve just set the perfect tone for this season.

by TMiss on Oct 16, 2009 6:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

danke

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