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2009 Season Preview

Team Name: Minnesota Timberwolves

Last Year's Record: 24-58

Key Losses Additions By Subtraction: Calvin Booth, Bobby Brown, Rodney Carney, Jason Collins, Randy Foye, Mark Madsen, Rashad McCants, Mike Miller, Kevin Ollie, Craig Smith, Sebastian Telfair, Shelden Williams, Kevin McHale.

Honorary Member of the Addition By Subtraction club: Mark Blount.

Key Additions: Wayne Ellington, Jonny Flynn, Ryan Hollins, Sasha Pavlovic, Oleksiy Pecherov, Jared Reiner, Ramon Sessions, Damien Wilkins, Kurt Rambis, Bill Laimbeer, Reggie Theus, Dave Wohl.

 

Star-divide


1. What significant moves were made during the off-season?

 

Grab a chair folks, this could take a while.

I think the best way to illustrate just how much has happened here in Wolves Land is to take a look at last year's opening day starting line up:

  1. Randy Foye
  2. Mike Miller
  3. Corey Brewer
  4. Ryan Gomes
  5. Al Jefferson

...add in the key reserves:

  1. Kevin Ollie
  2. Rashad McCants
  3. Rodney Carney
  4. Craig Smith
  5. Kevin Love

...compare them to the line up and reserves from the last game of the 08/09 season (and yes, Kevin McHale thought it would be a good idea to give the paying customers at the Target Center their own special version of a Seniors Night):

  1. Kevin Ollie/Sebastian Telfair/Bobby Brown
  2. Mike Miller/Rodney Carney
  3. Brian Cardinal/Ryan Gomes
  4. Mark Madsen/Kevin Love/Craig Smith
  5. Jason Collins/Shelden Williams

...before finally taking a peak at the rotation in the team's first 2009/10 preseason game against Milwaukee:

  1. Jonny Flynn/Ramon Sessions/Mustafa Shakur
  2. Corey Brewer/Sasha Pavlovic/Wayne Ellington
  3. Ryan Gomes/Damien Wilkins
  4. Kevin Love/Brian Cardinal
  5. Al Jefferson/Ryan Hollins/Jared Reiner

Let's take a quick peak at those starting/closing day lineups with the dearly departed x'd out of existence:

  1. Randy Foye/Kevin Ollie
  2. Mike Miller/Rashad McCants
  3. Corey Brewer/Rodney Carney
  4. Ryan Gomes/Craig Smith
  5. Al Jefferson/Kevin Love
  1. Kevin Ollie/Sebastian Telfair/Bobby Brown
  2. Mike Miller/Rodney Carney
  3. Brian Cardinal/Ryan Gomes
  4. Mark Madsen/Kevin Love/Craig Smith
  5. Jason Collins/Shelden Williams

And no, I do not believe there is another team in the league with only three remaining players from the rotation of their final 08/09 game.  Only the Raptors come close.

What did the Wolves lose?

Net Production by Position

Position
FGA
eFG%
FTA
iFG
Reb
Ast
T/O
Blk
PF
Pts
PER*
PG
-0.5   -.061   -1.5   0%  -1.9   -0.7   -0.2   -0.0   -1.1   -3.8   -7.0  
SG
0.1   -.034   -0.1   4%  0.1   -0.3   -0.2   -0.0   -0.3   -1.1   -2.4  
SF
-3.5   +.001   -2.5   -1%  0.9   0.5   -0.5   0.1   -0.8   -5.5   -4.2  
PF
0.3   -.016   -0.3   8%  -0.2   0.3   -0.6   -0.9   -0.3   -0.5   -2.3  
C
6.1   -.057   2.1   4%  1.8   -0.9   0.2   -1.1   0.8   6.0   +2.4  

 

They gave up a whole lot of nothing at the point, a Randy-Foye-January-fueled-it-was-really-worse-than-the-final-numbers-suggest basket of crap at the off-guard, a bowl of ineptitude at the 3, some holy-crap-there-is-nobody-behind-Love at the 4, and Al Jefferson and Kevin Love at the 5. 

Enter David Kahn.

While I think it is safe to say that most Wolves fans who were paying attention at the time of his hiring (all 1,700 of us) were upset that the team seemed to have bumbled its way through its most important new addition in years (Kahn seemed to be a secondary choice and candidates from the Blazers and Spurs appear to have walked away from the position), The Demolition Man quickly and confidently made a series of moves that have placed the Wolves in a position to win. 

  1. He turned Kevin McHale, Jerry Sichting, and Dean Cooper into Kurt Rambis, Reggie Theus, Bill Laimbeer, and Dave Wohl.
  2. He turned two moderate-sized expiring contracts into Ricky Rubio.
  3. He turned a Sebastian Telfair/Kevin Ollie point guard rotation into a Jonny Flynn/Ramon Sessions one.
  4. He picked up an athletic big who can play the reserve 4/5.
  5. He drafted the 2nd best shooter in the draft late in the 1st round.
  6. He cleared (probably) between $13-15 milion in 2010 cap space.
  7. He picked up another 2010 first round pick. 

Best of all, Kahn has made the Wolves interesting again.  The process has been full of goofy quotes, funny interviews, nearly weekly roster moves, and the entire Ricky Rubio saga, but the bottom line for Kahn and the Wolves is the results:

  1. Their core is good and tremendously young.
  2. They have drafted the 2 best Euros in the past 2 drafts and stashed them overseas.
  3. They have 3 likely 1st round picks in the 2010 draft.
  4. They will have in the neighborhood of $15 million below the cap in 2010 free agency.
  5. Chances are, they now have a functional point guard on their roster.

This thing is clearly still a work in progress (the team needs help on the wing and the Rubio situation still needs to be resolved one way or another) but it is also clearly pointed in the right direction. 

2. What are the team's biggest strengths?

Rebounding.  Rebounding.  Rebounding, and more rebounding. Kevin Love is one of the league's top 3 rebounders, Al Jefferson's game is built to be close to the bucket and he collects a net positive on the offensive boards, and Corey Brewer can hold his own at either the 2 or 3.  If there is a player from last year's squad to get a little chippy about his departure, it is Mike Miller.  Despite not shooting the damn ball, Miller was a very solid defensive rebounder and it will take a well above average effort from Pavlovic, Brewer, and Gomes to match Miller's efforts on the glass at the 2/3.  Miller was the team's 3rd best rebounder and he did so from the wing.  That's going to be harder to make up than what I think most people first realize, especially with the crew of Pavlovic, Brewer, Gomes, and Ellington trying to make up the difference.  Ramon Sessions should make up for some of the lost rebounding production vis-a-vis Sebastian Telfair, but Miller's loss probably will have some effect on the glass.  How much is something that remains to be seen. 

In theory, the Wolves should also be a very good free throw shooting team this season.  Last year Ramon Sessions had the 25th best FT/FG rate in the league at 36. Kevin Love was 18th at 39.  Big Al was all the way down at 154 with 19.  By all accounts in college, summer league, and his small sample of preseason games, Jonny Flynn has all the makings of a high-contact guard who will draw a lot of fouls in an up-tempo system.  Last year the Wolves had one fairly legit threat of getting to the line at a high rate: Kevin Love.  This year they have 3 players who should draw a ton of contact with one guy (Jefferson) who will have a modest rate but a high volume due to his number of touches. 

It's pretty hard for me to overstate just how big of a deal improved free throw shooting will be for the Wolves.  Last year the Wolves averaged 2.3 fewer FTAs than their opponents. The year before that they were a league-worst -6.9 in that category (which should give you an idea of the relative merits between Kevin Love and Craig Smith).  For a team with a -4.9 point differential these are points that simply cannot be left on the board. With the addition of Sessions and Flynn, and with the continued development of Love, the Wolves appear to have addressed one of their biggest weaknesses of the past 2-3 years and turned it, hopefully, into a positive.  For those readers who are just casual fans of the game, I cannot stress enough how important the free throw differential is to the bottom line.  I also cannot stress enough just how bad the Wolves have been on this front over the past several years.

The final thing the Wolves are going to be good at is physicality.  This is something that will be pretty hard to define over the course of the year but I have a pretty good feeling that they are going to be scrappy.  One of the most striking things about their play in camp was they way in which guys like Love, Brewer, Sessions, and Ryan Hollins were getting after it.  This has a chance of positively impacting the play on the end of the court they need help with the most.  I'm not saying that they are going to be a defensive dynamo, but this year's squad has the opportunity to run out a rotation of Sessions, Brewer, Pavlovic, Jefferson/Love, and Ryan Hollins, which is a fairly significant defensive upgrade over anything they were able to offer up in the 08/09 campaign.  This especially becomes the case if Brewer develops into the plus-defender we all hope he can morph in to.  Sessions/Brewer/Pavlovic has the potential to turn the epic defensive weakness of Telfair/Foye/Miller into a positive for this club.  It's probably not a lineup you'd run out there for long stretches of time, but it is something that this club did not have at its disposal under McHale. All three of those players held their 08/09 opponents to below their average production.  The same could not be said for Telfair (-0.009% of opponents' average), Foye (whose opponents went 10.8% over their average production against the former Villanova star), and Miller (a mere 5.6% over average production).  If you throw Ryan Hollins into the mix, the Wolves may have something approaching an effective defensive unit that they could trot out on the floor for 4-8 minutes per night.

3. What are the team's biggest weaknesses?

Defense, wing play, turnovers, and outside shooting.  I don't really know if there is a good way to break this down in much greater detail but the Wolves are still going to have problems on defense; their 2 and 3 will be manned by a rotation of Corey Brewer, Wayne Ellington, Sasha Pavlovic, and Ryan Gomes, and their backcourt will be led by 2 point guards who will be in their first year with the team.  David Kahn has been pretty frontal in his assessment that Gomes and Brewer are both in put up or shut up years.  Pavlovic is on a 1-year contract.  Nothing is promised or owed to any of these players and if they can't figure it out this year, I think it is becoming more and more obvious that when the Wolves do cash in their draft/free agency chips, it will be for a wing player.  At media day and during camp both Gomes and Brewer said enough to make everyone well aware of the fact that they too know the score.  As you can see from the positional chart listed above, the score on the wing isn't exactly in the Wolves' favor to begin with. 

While I mentioned the possibility of a fairly solid perimeter defensive rotation with Sessions, Brewer, and Pavlovic, the fact remains that there is nothing on this team to suggest a significant overall improvement in defensive efficiency.  Until we see some improvement in action, it's hard to believe it in theory.  Ryan Hollins gives them a lengthy shot blocker but he fouls a ton.  Corey Brewer has the potential to be an A+ defender but he is coming back from injury and is close to completely ineffective on the offensive end of the court.  Ramon Sessions is a slightly above average defender at the point but he could end up with a lot of minutes at the 2.  The point here is that even with the defensive positives the Wolves have some issues when it comes to weighing their best overall lineups against their best defensive ones.  I'd be peachy keen with anything close to a neutral OE/DE ratio. 

It can also not be overstated just how bad of an outside shooting club the Wolves are going to be this year.  Wayne Ellington is probably their best shooter, their likely starting two guard (Brewer) has a career .250 three point average, their best point guard has 41 career three point attempts (with a .220 average), and Sasha Pavlovic's numbers from beyond the arc have seen a four-year fluctuation of .365, .405, .298, and .410.  Could Ryan Gomes be the team's best outside shooter?   If that's the case, then the Wolves are in for a long, long year from a perimeter shooting perspective.  It's already proving to be a big problem in their limited preseason action.

4. What are the goals for this team?

a- At least a neutral OE/DE rating.  Last year the Wolves had a -5.3 point gap per 100 possessions. While this was an improvement over the -7.4 point gap per 100 possessions from the year before, it still is a giant pile of suck.  With the addition of a real starting point guard, and the maturation of Kevin Love, here's hoping the Wolves can pick up 2-3 pp/100 poss on the offensive side of the ball and that the return of Brewer and the addition of Sessions and Pavlovic can gain a point or two on the defensive side of things. 

b- An increase in pace and shots within the first 10-15 seconds of the shot clock. If the Wolves' new offensive is going to pay dividends we should see an increased pace with more shots taken in transition.  36% of the Wolves' shots in 2008/09 were in the first 10 seconds of the shot clock and 26% came in the next 5.  If those numbers go up, it means the Wolves are running and getting opportunistic buckets.  Last year the Wolves finished 15th in the league with 91.6 possessions/game.  That number needs to go up.  

c- Free throw neutrality (or more).  As mentioned above, the Wolves should have an increase in free throw attempts this season.  I have been harping on this point for two years now: You can't win games while losing by a mile at the free throw line.  It can't be done.  Between Kevin Love, Ramon Sessions, and Jonny Flynn, the Wolves have three guys who can really draw contact and get to the charity stripe.  

d- Injury free.Will Kevin Love break the Wolves' 2nd year injury curse?  From Shaddy to Foye to Brewer, 2nd year draft Wovles draft picks have all suffered season-ending injuries in their 2nd campaign.  This is one curse that needs to be broken this year. (UPDATE: Of course, as this goes to post, Kevin Love breaks a bone in his left hand and will likely be out 6-8 weeks.)

 

 

5. Did David Kahn screw the pooch on draft night?

Let me begin by giving a simple yes or no: No.  However, the (excellent) addition of Ramon Sessions begs the question of whether or not the Wolves could have walked away from the Draft with Rubio and, say, Demar DeRozan instead of Jonny Flynn.  Sure, it would have been a big bet to wait out for Sessions, and who knows what would have happened with Sessions' negotiations if Rubio stayed in Europe and Flynn wasn't sitting there as a sure replacement, but..well, it's pretty hard to ignore the fact that the Wolves had two big first rounders and a free agent signing over the summer and they were all at the same position.  Yes, it's at a position that has killed the Wolves since the days of Sam Cassell but isn't there a nagging little thought in the back of your head that is whispering "it could have been done better?"  I think Kahn has done a terrific job but it will ultimately depend on which point guard(s) stick around in 2-3 years and how much he can get with the one (or two) that gets sent away.  Will that equation end up being more valuable than the previously mentioned Rubio/DeRozan/Sessions combo?  Who knows?

Projected Finish: 31-51

Poll
How many games will the Wolves win this year?
Less than 15
28 votes
16-20
83 votes
21-25
147 votes
26-30
183 votes
31-35
83 votes
More than 35
30 votes

554 votes | Poll has closed

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With Kevin Love's injury

ruling him out until what we may as well consider Christmas it casts a new light on the 13 on the roster idea. It also reinforces how horrible the Songaila for Daniels trade was. The guy we could be slotting into a forward role (albeit as part of a platoon arrangement) is now in New Orleans while our end of the deal is arranging his buyout.

At some point we’ll need help at PG, particularly if Sessions is going to play off the ball at any point and we most certainly need another big guy. We have committed to Ryan Hollins, but not as a starter.

SO out of the four guys left from the non-guaranteed side of things (Reiner, Shakur, Hart and Brown) do any stay? Do we look for more experience, particularly at Centre?

31 wins is likely optimistic in light of Love’s injury. Before this I’d have thought anything beyond 25 wins was a bonus and if we could win enough to cough up that pick to the Clips now rather than when the protection disappears, I’d do it.
Now I’d think anything beyond 20-22 is good going.

Judd: "...I've since watched some Steven Seagal movies and I realise that pressure points are no laughing matter.".

by Auswolf on Oct 17, 2009 5:07 AM CDT reply actions  

I’m starting to think the battle of Gomes vs Brewer is one for 3rd string SG/SF.
When we cash those Draft AND FA chips they’re BOTH gonna be for wings imo…

Can hardly wait until the season starts so I can watch my first full Wolves season

Official Kahn/Rambis band-wagon rider since 2009

by Wim (Belgium) on Oct 17, 2009 6:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Good analysis, as always...

Yeah, I remember thinking on draft night that we should have taken:
5-Rubio
6-DeRozan
28-Budinger
And kept Calathes.

Hopefully Flynn proves me wrong and turns out to be “baby Chris Paul” and hopefully Ellington turns out to be “baby Michael Redd”.

Either way, I’m still thrilled that we came away with the most exciting player in the draft (Rubio) and I consider that a success—even if we hafta wait until 2012 to get him. I could really see the Timberwolves trading either Flynn or Sessions once we know who’s got the more promising NBA future. Either would be a huge asset for a team like Boston, San Antonio, New York, LA Clippers, Orlando or Philadelphia, to name a few.

by SF on Oct 17, 2009 7:36 AM CDT reply actions  

Oh man, I am so with you

I badly wish we had kept Calathes. He’s a baller.

Ironic that we’re looking for a point guard who’s big enough to play the 2, because that’s exactly what Calathes is.

by Oceanary on Oct 17, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

What ifs

I hope for the best with Love’s recovery. but this forecast (rebounding, rebounding, etc) shows how much of our hopes for progress rested on his being able to build on his rookie season. And it forces us to revisit the choices made during the off season. Kahn has almost casually passed on lots of workable players (as mentioned here in the form of Songalia, DeRozan, Calathes, etc.) to sell his vision of the future. The bird in the bush has to better than the bird in the hand, right? Well, the Wolves bad luck with injuries continues. How rookies will pan out remains a mystery. I recall that KG felt that Foye would be a “special” player during Foye’s rookie campaign, much like supporters today feel about Johnny Flynn. Now, after observing the last two preseason games, I feel we are limping into the regular season with very little hope for optimism. Our talent level is below most teams. Our grand designs are built on a very thin foundation, weakened considerably when Love is not one of its bulwarks. The Wolves are overdue for someone, anyone, to exceed expectations and give fans a glimmer of hope. I wouldn’t hazard a guess as to who that might be, for fear of the consequences.

by ogishkemuncie on Oct 17, 2009 8:00 AM CDT reply actions  

The one difference is Flynn is a real point guard

Foye didn’t get in trouble because he’s not talented (although he’s not nearly as good as you’d think he would be on paper). Foye’s problem was he wasn’t a point guard, and didn’t have the mentality to be one….he was a small forward in college, and then he got completely confused by Wittman’s playbook.

I thought it’d get better after McHale started coaching, but it turned out Foye couldn’t even run simple pick-and-rolls. He’s just not cut out for playmaking like that.

Jonny Flynn has two huge advantages over Foye:
1) He’s a natural leader and playmaker
2) He gets to the free throw line

As for a player far exceeding expectations, it sure looks like it’s going to be Brewer.

by Oceanary on Oct 17, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is pretty much exactly how I feel.

I understand it is just preseason, but for a team in transition like the Wolves, preseason matters… And it has not looked good. We are an awful defensive team, Jonny Flynn looks like he’ll be much less effective (in his rookie year, albeit— I’m not at all down on his potential) than I had hoped, and Wayne Ellington will NOT provide an offensive punch. 28 was a good spot for him, and I don’t think we should expect more out of him than a typical 28th overall pick.

This reminds me a lot of last year, when we were excited about all the jumpshooters now surrounding Jefferson, and how that would make us tough to guard, and how we were sure to win 30-35 and show real progress. That didn’t work out. Especially with Love’s injury, I see this year going very similarly. I bet we win right around 25 again, and Big Al starts to get grumbly.

by LoveTo on Oct 17, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I feel like an unrepentant optimist

My heart voted 31-35 wins. My head tells me 26-30.

by levi_mn on Oct 17, 2009 10:10 AM CDT reply actions  

I think you guys are crazy

24 is good get into draft sign a free agent in 2010
maybe this things pan out but few wins won’t help
31 is unlikely and could get us out of lottery.

by KahningPups on Oct 17, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

31 gets out of lottery?

In what league? 31 would put Minnesota WELL SHORT of missing the playoffs, especially in the West. Thus lottery bound.

"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG

by Khalid El-Amin on Oct 17, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

agree with yall

One thing that I believe Wolves’ fans must admit is that this year’s roster is much more talented than last year’s roster. I certainly agree with the comment that our roster is less talented than most other NBA teams. However, it does seem that Kahn has things pointed in the right direction. I also agree that Songalia was a player that we could have counted on as a solid backup to provide some frontcourt depth, but he’s gone so gotta let it go. If they reach 30 wins this year, it will be quite remarkable.

by scottysnowski on Oct 17, 2009 10:18 AM CDT reply actions  

Will be interesting

to be sure. I caught the last 5 minutes of the game yesterday. After first checking the box score, I was amazed that the Wolves were even that close. They were shooting atrociously, with the bench being abysmal. So I’m very curious how this team will do under different coaching. Last year Wittman, who has no right to be a head coach, was terrible and the team did better under McFail. Rambis’ Showtime Garrison Keillor version 2.0 kept them in the game last night. What concerns me, however, is that it seems very few teams in the West have really gotten a lot worse and most have made patent improvements. So it’s going to be another long season, I’m afraid. But at least if this team plays some entertaining ball the games will be watchable.

by uncle rico on Oct 17, 2009 11:53 AM CDT reply actions  

Next year

or two years from now with Rubio. That would be quite the off-season. Add a solid 2,3, and 5 in the next couple drafts and who knows!

by Breaking Ankles on Oct 18, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

26-30

Seems possible, but with Love out 6-8 weeks maybe we end up in the 23-27 range.

I was going to post a poll on here to the effect of: “Is it better to win 20-25 games this year and get better draft position and more picks or to win 30-35 games and give fans more optimism, look more promising to FAs and keep our young players in a better frame of mind?”

I don’t think 30 wins is really possible now with Love out, but it’s an interesting question and I wasn’t sure where I fell on it.

by Django Z on Oct 17, 2009 1:47 PM CDT reply actions  

The second option. Every day of the week, and twice on Sunday.

by LoveTo on Oct 17, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

+3

Cannot underestimate the value of winning

Judd: "...I've since watched some Steven Seagal movies and I realise that pressure points are no laughing matter.".

by Auswolf on Oct 17, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not that simple

Winning 30-35 with the youngsters getting the minutes and doing things in games that will enhance their development is great; winning 30-35 while overplaying vets at the expense of young players isn’t.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Oct 18, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

My question:

Which “vets” would help the team win more games than the youngsters anyway?

The thing is, I think Kahn has completely removed that temptation for the coaching staff.

We’re looking at, more or less, a 9-man rotation of: Flynn, Sessions, Brewer, Ellington, Pavlovic, Gomes, Love, Jefferson, and Hollins. No vets to choose from, really. Rambis has no choice but to play youngsters, so I think we’ll have to see each win as a positive development, brought on by the young core.

Cardinal and Wilkins may play some too, but it’s not like Rambis is going to rely on them to win games while sitting the youngsters.

by LoveTo on Oct 18, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree with most of what SNP writes. Was thinking 26-30 wins, Love's injury changes that.

Now I say 21-25 wins. The were looking like about a 30% win team, w/o Love that has to drop. I now see a 5-15 start, based on Love’s injury, Al still getting back to form, and the new system. A start like that is going to make it tough to get over 25 wins (that’s still 20-42 when Love gets back). BTW, 5-15 may be an optimistic start. Problem isn’t just Love not being in the starting lineup, but the team now cannot compete the 10 MPG Al is resting. They may only have one legit NBA starter on the floor for that 10 minutes, ouch. With Gomes and Brewer as the SG and SF, where do the points come from when Big Al is on the bench?

It doesn’t bother me though, I am in the camp that believes in patience and wants a top-5 pick next year. While Miller will be missed a bit, either him or Foye will be forgotten after next years draft when a top level SG/SF is brought in.

Another note, I know Kahn has said he plans to pick up the option on Brewer. I believe he wants to, but I still think he is evaluating and ultimately will risk Brewer becoming a free agent. I like his defense, but I just don’t see how he plays more than 10-15 MPG after this season, the team needs a shooter too badly. Kahn isn’t going to give that kind of money to a 15 MPG player, especially at this point in the teams rebuilding plan. I think Kahn is going to figure he can get a comparable or better player in next years draft, especially with the Love injury. If Kahn does extend Brewer, then I am all in that Cole Aldrich is the target for next year. Aldrich getting drafted will allow Brewer to play enough to justify the money.

by Rumblebee on Oct 17, 2009 3:48 PM CDT reply actions  

So, Corey Brewer appears to be morphing into an actual NBA player this before our very eyes (or ears). Maybe he needed a season-ending injury to give him time to slow the hell down and work on his game.. I really hope he keeps this up.

Jennings: F*** the Knicks, them n***** is always going to be weak.

by Xand1 on Oct 17, 2009 7:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes, I think most projections on our win total assume we will continue to get no offensive production on our win total. If he makes strides, that could be HUGE for us.

But I’m not going to hold my breath after only one good preseason game.

by LoveTo on Oct 17, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is just way to much optimism here

The Twolves finished 24-58 last year. Based on what I have seen in persona and on TV so far, I voted 16-20. I based this on:

1 – Our 4 best players really play just 2 positions (Flynn, Sessions, Love and Al). The ability to play all 4 at the same time is very questionable (Al can’t defend the post, Rambis seems very reluctant to play Flynn and Sessions together – I assume because of what he sees in practice).

2 – No outside shooting. Most critical need last year was to find players who could space the floor for Big Al. Our decent, though sometime madding inconsistent, shooters (Foye, Miller and dare I say McCants) are being replaced by …………….. Corey Brewer and Wayne Ellington! Before anyone starts with the Pavlovic comments, you need to consider his PER of 7.38 and 8.65 the last 2 years, playing with the Cavs – a team with a Super Star who draws tons of double teams and was not reluctant to kick the ball. If Sasha was an effective “spacer” (like he was in 2007 – his only season with a double digit PER by the way), he would still be in Cleveland. Does anyone believe that this group is an upgrade that will keep defenses from sagging on Al?

3 – A team filled with players that possess below average athletic ability. I was far more favorable on McHale’s performance as GM than most around here. But the 1 criticism that I had was McHale’s stubbornness in always favoring/more highly valuing a players basketball skills/ IQ over their athleticism. I know – he played on Celtics teams that won championships with high basketball IQ and skills guys with lower athleticism (Parrish, Bird, Ange, himself) but this is not the 1980’s. It does not work that way today. It has left us with a roster of guys that know how to play, but without the athleticism to use the knowledge. Even though he radically turned over roster, Kahn added only 1 player (Sessions) through FA and 1 player (Flynn) through the draft with above average athleticism. On most nights, we will match up with equal/better athletes at only 2 of the 5 starting positions. Of our top 4 reserves, only 1 (Sessions) will likely have a favorable athleticism match up. Being this badly outmatched athletically is not going to lead to more victories.

4 – Growing pains for our coaching staff as they install a new system, recovery from injury (Al, Brewer) plus now Love’s injury, a rookie PG, and a cast of new players as they learn each others game is not going to result in a fast start. In our 1st 17 games (Oct/Nov), I don’t see us being favored in more than 4 games (New Jersey, Milwaukee, Phoenix at home, Memphis on the road) Yep – I expect us not even to be favored against the Clippers. If we start 4-13, we would need to finish 26-39 (2 out of every 5) to get to 30 victories. I don’t see it since our most favorable schedule is not until mid Jan through end of Feb – by then – I expect that we may see even more roster turnover.

I certainly hope that we win more. I keep my fingers crossed that Kahn will use all those assets for something better next year. But I am also expecting to watch some pretty crappy basketball this year.

by Just A Fan on Oct 17, 2009 9:06 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree

with just a fan. You’re right on about McHale’s stubborn insistence on assembling players based on the 1908s Celts. Other issues raised are also relevant.

Biggest two problems: shooting (atrocious for any time of the year) and defense. We’ll have to see how things change over the course of the season. But the level of play is too high to win games when so much is in flux.

by uncle rico on Oct 17, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Less than last year?

To me, they are more talented than last year. I am not sure about athleticism – I would assume with Sessions, Flynn, and Hollins, they are more athletic than last year, but I could be convinced otherwise. However, I think there will be a learning curve and even though they have more talent, some of that ability is still locked in what is acutally potential and may not blossom this year.

I like the changes, the team, and the vibe. They will be fun to watch, but I agree with you it will likely be a long season of learning.

by Breaking Ankles on Oct 18, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

One thing being left out...

The ability to get in the lane. Foye and Miller weren’t guys who could draw fouls, and this is a league that favors point guards. Because of the way the rules are set up, it’s not inconceivable that the loss of outside shooting is made up for with FTAs and inside shots.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Oct 18, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

lets not forget

the ability to run the pnr. Neither Foye or Bassy could do that. the pnr also stretches the floor.

by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 19, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

They aren't necessarily idiots

Not being among them myself (as I find predictions to be pretty dull and almost never worth looking back on), I can’t speak for those folks.

There’s a set of quantitative analysis people, though, who see the trio of Jefferson, Sessions, and Love as being dramatically more productive than what we put out there last year. The argument has to do with Love getting real playing time (now that he’s earned McHale’s childhood bicycle, natch) and Sessions (with Flynn) being a dramatic upgrade over Telfair and company. These aren’t the idiots among Wolves fans; they’re among the PER stat believers. The argument doesn’t even hinge on Rambis being a miracle worker compared with Wittman.

by feral on Oct 18, 2009 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just overly optimistic perhaps?

WIth all the goodwill in the world, I just can’t see 35+ from this group.

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by Auswolf on Oct 19, 2009 6:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Other than the Front Court and Wings

This team is set. Looking at tonight’s box score- I fear the first 2 months of the season without Kevlar. Let’s compare the 1st and 2nd pre-season game with Milwaukee

Rebounds
Game 1- +25
Game 2- -9 (Granted more minutes for Bogut factored in here)

Losing Kevin single-handely turned rebounding from a strength into a major weakness. This says nothing about the nightmare of Front-Court Combos when Al isn’t on the Court.

Other Thoughts

1. Brewer is better than Gomes. I’m not really even debating this one.
2. In fact- Brewer might currently be the 3rd best player on the team behind Al and Ramon Sessions. You could make the Flynn argument- but he hasn’t exactly shown himself to be under control at the Point- saying nothing about Brewer’s D.
3. My point isn’t that Corey Brewer is a great player it’s rather they’re are still some serious talent issues on this club.
4. I actually do think the D should be quite a bit better due to better wing defenders (Although this is off-set by Potentially Historically Awful Shooting)
5. My dream for this season is still to beat the Trailblazers. Although Nov.11 isn’t looking likely.

by Jose Cordoba on Oct 17, 2009 10:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow, is it just me, or does Corey Brewer suddenly look like he actually belongs on a NBA court? Watched the last half on Friday night’s game an really couldn’t believe the confidence and poise I saw from Corey. This new offense is already working wonders for his game. Maybe Corey is not a starter, but he is an improved jump shot (which is looking ever more likely) away from being a high end bench player.

At the same time, it looks like Ryan Gomes is going straight down the toilet. Not sure if he has a place on this team anymore.

For those that say Jefferson can’t guard the post…I agree…but how much worse would he be at the 4? 75% of the league’s PFs would eat him alive…he’s just not mobile enough.

by DougW on Oct 18, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gomes and Brewer

If I recall last pre-season correctly, it was much the same, with Gomes doing nothing to distinguish himself and Brewer playing improved ball. But yeah, Gomes has been just terrible lately. DO SOMETHING out there! One thing I love about Brewer is at least he’s trying to make stuff happen. He may be a train wreck at times, but he plays with such great energy and sense of urgency. I could go to sleep watching Gomes play, that’s is if I even notice him.

by Rascal Flatts on Oct 18, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gomes has never distinguished himself IMO

Do nothing is kind of his game, isn’t it? He is just not a dynamic player. He does nothing well and really has no upside. Unless he’s the world’s greatest locker room guy, really serves no purpose on this team. Dare I say Brian Cardinal is a more effective dirty work glue guy?

by DougW on Oct 18, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, dare away!

Some people have tried to fashion Gomes into some sort of glue guy that does all the little things that don’t show up in a box score. Well, that just hasn’t been the case with him. His terrible net +/- from last season and this preseason belies the glue guy image. As for Cardinal, he really is a glue guy. Similar to Gomes, he carries a very subpar PER, but he really does impact a game in a positive way. He is the ONLY player on the Wolves this preseason to carry a + rating in every single game. And this is just a continuation of what he did last season and most other seasons prior to the Wolves. Brian Cardinal is an honest-to-goodness glue guy.

by Rascal Flatts on Oct 18, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gomes rebounds pretty well and can hit a midrange jumpshot. He can be effective as a specialty, kind of small-ball power forward against slow-footed 4’s who can’t guard him out on the perimeter.

But yes, that is a small niche.

by LoveTo on Oct 18, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

26-30 wins

Great analysis SnP and I enjoy everyones comments, even though I may disagree with some of you. JAF – Our four best players play THREE positions. Only if we have D Howard or Shaq as a center is AL Jefferson a PF. Jose, that is a scary thought that Mr Brewer may be our third best (available) player, 4th with Love in there.

The one thing that I’m glad that no-one seems to overlooking (except those 10 who voted 40+ wins) is that this is a rebuilding year and while we would like to see our wolves win alot, we are very sure that it won’t be this year. Still looking for that championship on 2013!!

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by frankenhoops on Oct 18, 2009 12:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Frankenhoops

How are you talking about? Al or Sessions?

If you really believe that a 35 lbs lighter, Less Big Al, is a center, more power to you. Did you watch the Toronto game by any chance? DId you see you effectively Al defended the post? Reggie Evans had a field day with Al physically abusing him – and he is no Shaq or D Howard. Did you see the Chicago game? Noah had a mere 14 pts in ~20 minutes of play. He is not Shaq or D Howard either.

Sure, he is coming back from surgery. But look back at last year. How effectively did Al defend the post? Not very. Sure, he presents an offensive match up problem for many posts – its just that the team does not get the true benefit of it because he gives most of it back on defense.

We all wish Al was a 5. He is not. He is a 4 just like Love. Just because we choose to play him out of position as a 5, does not make him one.

Sessions a 2? Only if Rambis has a serious change of heart. Sessions play PG for his 2 years with the Bucks (rather effectively, I might add) He has never played 2. His jump shooting is below average. And at a generous 6’3", he does not have the size to play 2.

So, I am going to stay with my argument that our 4 best players play 2 positions. (If Brewer can continue is current form, it will be 5 best at 3 positions)

PS – I will be very closely watching the Flynn/Sessions situation. From what I have seen, and what my sources tell me, the team functions far better with Sessions rather than Flynn. It is not even close. Will Kahn take some heat and let Rambis start/play Sessions over Flynn? I am eager to see.

by Just A Fan on Oct 18, 2009 9:16 AM CDT reply actions  

can't say I'm surprised

Generally good analysis, SnP, though I would be much more hesitant in drawing conclusions from a 2008-9 team that suffered under Wittman for the first couple of months and then played through injuries most of the rest of the season (and I’m not talking just Brewer and Jefferson). What’s going to be doubly painful this year is seeing former players and possible sign-ups that we passed on doing well on their new teams. I’m thinking DeJuan Blair, Mike Miller (and possibly Foye), Rodney Carney, Craig Smith, etc. – I see where Bassy had ten dimes the other night but he hasn’t gotten play time since so who knows with him.

It’s also sort of dumb to go on too much about Kahn’s great moves re: freed-up cap room for 2010… this pretty much would have happened anyway with the expirings, and after all the shuffling of the deck we’re still facing Blount’s buyout. Most other teams have similarly positioned themselves for 2010 cap room, but it won’t matter much anyways as it’ll be tough to commit to big contracts given the continuing general economic woes, the pending CBA negotiations, the lower cap and resulting tougher luxury tax projections for next year, and in our case, substantially lessened TWolves gate income (yeah, that’s what happens when you’re a loser).

On the other hand, there’ve been some positives: Sessions was a real steal, Rambis seems to be a solid hire, Corey Brewer’s coming back into his own, and Big Al’s showing again that he’s THE MAN down low. Gomes will be ok – or possibly even a nice surprise – once he settles down a bit. The rest of the pre-season has been pretty much a reality check against the hype surrounding Hollins and Ellington… and to a certain extent Flynn.

BTW, thanks for finally acknowledging Miller’s hussle and rebounding contributions.

Finally, , in regard to the W-L poll, no one could have projected losses that will result from KLove’s injury (second-year jinx aside), though it does point out the general lack of depth on the team (something that couldn’t be said had Taylor stuck by his 2008-9 team, especially with the probable add-ons and expirings). I suppose it’s the Irish in me to look on the bright side, but Kevin’s injury itself could have been much worse – it is a simple break on an accessible bone on his non-shooting hand and nothing to prevent him from working on his conditioning in the meantime.

With KLove out for the fall, I have the wins back at 15, which was where I’d guessed before the Sessions signing. Looks like that number has already been taken though ;-)

by artreddin on Oct 18, 2009 10:05 AM CDT reply actions  

the win total...

is also highly contingent on how the division and the conference looks. And for all intents and purposes, the Northwest looks absolutely brutal for the Wolves this year. The only team that I see slipping a notch (not much, but a notch) are the Jazz. Otherwise, Denver is going to be in the mix for the division lead, Portland will be sparring with them for the same, and although I think OKC is a bit overrated in some people’s eyes, I still think they’re going to have a win total in, say, the mid-30s. I voted for 26 to 30 for the Wolves, but I think it’s going to be on the lower end of that. This is the year, at any rate, of the culture change, and that in of itself should be interesting to watch.

by Rasho Revolution on Oct 18, 2009 11:42 AM CDT reply actions  

indeed

the entire West is brutal. Only team worse at this point, would be the Kings, I think. But again, better to plan for the long run than aim for middling records.

by uncle rico on Oct 18, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Season prediction

I went with 26-30 wins and agree with Rasho in leaning toward the lower end of that range.

- I have felt all along that we would have an awful start and pick up steam as the season wore on, finishing really strong in the last couple of months.

- Sessions + Jefferson + 2/3 season Love > Miller + 2/3 season Jefferson + rookie Love

- Defensively Brewer + Pavs + Sessions > Carney + Miller + Foye

I think the time to really take measure of this team starts around January 1.

by Rascal Flatts on Oct 18, 2009 2:34 PM CDT reply actions  

I was on the fence

Between 21-25 and 26-30. Love’s injury costs them about 5 wins. I agree w/RF that this team can’t really be evaluated until Jan. 1. They look more structured defensively and will be better, and they’ll generate more points from dribble penetration than they did last year. Overall, the team just looks more structured and the players are just trying to get to that point where they’re not thinking as much. The team has redundancies, but Jefferson’s not going to be any more exploited as a 5 than he was as a 4, and as for the Flynn/Sessions thing, well, sorry if I think having more talent than minutes to go around is less of a problem than having not enough talent for the available minutes, which has been the problem at point guard since the post-Cassell era.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Oct 18, 2009 8:58 PM CDT reply actions  

On my NBA 2k10 franchise...

I traded Ramon Sessions and a 2nd round pick to Houston for Trevor Ariza and a 1st round pick.

I also traded Brewer, Cardinal, and a 2011 1st rounder to Sacramento for Kevin Martin.

My line-up: Flynn-Martin-Ariza-Jefferson-Love with Ellington, Gomes, and Hollins coming off the bench, and 2 first-round picks and 15 million in cap space to play with in the offseason. Man, it’s easy running an NBA team.

by LoveTo on Oct 18, 2009 9:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Words to live by

SnP –
“basket of crap”
“giant pile of suck”
“bowl of ineptitude”

None of these lines could be used to characterize your excellent post. Keep up the good work.

by A.K. Agikamik on Oct 19, 2009 9:51 AM CDT reply actions  

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 19, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Slogan for the year

“Embace the suck.”

- TheEvilProfessor

by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 19, 2009 11:48 AM CDT reply actions  

TEP - I like

Embrace the Suck
Suck with a Purpose
That sucking sound you hear

by A.K. Agikamik on Oct 19, 2009 1:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Next Year

The slogan will hopefully change to -

“We Suck Less”

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by FishingMN on Oct 20, 2009 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Suck with a Purpose

Now there’s an advertising slogan that tells it like it is. :-)
The Wolves are not as bad as they looked in preseason. Remember, Flynn is a master at PnR, and Rambis had him passing around the perimeter. Al is a master at the up-and-under move, and Rambis had him working on his jump shot. Pecherov has only been playing for a week since recovering from a broken wrist. If Love hadn’t been injured, I would have voted for over 30 wins.

by Dave T on Oct 19, 2009 1:45 PM CDT reply actions  

So here is a projected team slogan order

this year: “We suck more”
next year: “We suck less”
3rd year: “We don’t suck”
4th year: "No you Suck!

by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 20, 2009 10:42 AM CDT reply actions  

Oh boy

Not exactly every team’s ideal slogans. At least we are going in the right direction.

by Breaking Ankles on Oct 20, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

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