It's all downhill from here kid

Look at him. Unwrapping a new season. While he doesn't really know any better, you can see it in his eyes that he thinks he could be opening up a .500 record with massive improvement from Kevin Love and Al Jefferson along with developing two starters in Jonny Flynn and Wayne Ellington. That's what could be in there.
Of course, his parents are jerks and instead of getting their baby boy something cool like a winning season (or a Spanish fire engine) they bought some sort of 'brain development' toy that makes them feel better about ditching the poor tyke in front of a TV while they work extended hours on the basement computer knowing full well that Little Einstein is nothing but a bunch of crap.
Such is life for the 2009/10 Wolves fan. It's time to open the shiny new package and, for one day, pretend that it's something other than what all the grown ups know it is. David Kahn plays the role of the jerk parent, filling our ears with baby talk about how cool the gift will be and how much we will like it if we just give it some time. Later on in our 30s we will tell our shrinks about how we knew deep down inside that he was just trying to justify his poor parenting skills and, oh by the way, can we please have another 50 Xanax?
Flash back to our 1st birthday. We have our hands on the present. We still think anything could be in that box.
Let's open r' up.
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Anticipation yields to actual games. After listening to Bill Simmons on PTL yesterday, it reminds me how invalid most sports scribes truly are. Any opinion seems profound to them. Also, after watching Boston-Cleveland, it reminds me how loaded those teams are compared to ourselves. They will have their problems, but it will be nothing compared to those of the Wolves. The first few games are televised and front-loaded with immediate encounters with LeBron & KG. After that, the team will likely be losing a lot and also not on tv. For most, out of sight will be out of mind. Glen Taylor will be fighting irrelevancy this season.
by ogishkemuncie on Oct 28, 2009 7:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
….and I think this season has the potential to turn off more fans than the team thinks it will. No Rubio, Miller and Foye off in DC doing well, the pending average sports fan realization that a bad team owes an unprotected future 1st to the Clippers because of Marko Jaric, terrible attendance, games that aren’t available on local TV, injured players…the list goes on and on. I think they’ll win 30-32 games simply because the league is so top heavy and they’ll probably click a little bit in Feb-Apr, but in terms of appealing to the casual fan base, they’re in trouble. I think the diehards are rightfully excited about things like cap space, stashed Euros, but that’s a tough sell to people who haven’t paid attention in a while.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 28, 2009 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's Like 20 years ago
The club is starting over. There are some assets in place, but the Wolves have basically cast off most of what’s happened over the last decade. Reset.
I’m okay with it and welcome it. But, there won’t be a million people coming to watch a crappy team like there was in ‘89-’90.
Pining for a Troy Hudson/Marko Jaric backcourt.
by SBG on Oct 28, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOO-HOO
All I can say is that I am more excited and less nuerotic than I have been the past three seasons. All I can keep thinking is – 30 wins, 30 wins, 30 wins. Is that a great season? No, 60 wins and a title is a great season, but 30 wins will justify blowing up the team and starting over. This is the first step to a title team!
Timberwolves - NBA champs 2013!
(used with permission - Wolf in MO)
by frankenhoops on Oct 28, 2009 8:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Could be ugly
I’m not getting too excited about this year’s Wolves team. While I’m completely on board with Kahn’s decisions to blow up the backcourt and try to build a real winner, this is going to be the tough stretch. Almost no rookie point guards have ever made a real difference in the W/L column, and I don’t expect Flynn to be any different, even if he will be fun to watch at times and should keep improving. I hope that Brewer looks like a real offensive player and that Jefferson returns to form. If those things happen, we’ll be a decent team to watch.
Foye looked very comfortable in Washington’s big win at Dallas, last night. It probably helped that his sidekick, Arenas, looked like his 2006 self and completed dominated. If Foye can settle into a role as a third option, pure shooter, he might do pretty well there. I hope so because he had some tough situations in Minnesota between playing for Wittman, playing the wrong position and his injury in ’07.
Also, Bassy and Rhino played well for LAC. Rhino did his thing where he came off the bench and scored a bunch. Bassy did his thing where he pushed the ball and made sound decision after sound decision. It just wasn’t enough to be a stacked Laker squad. Had Blake Griffin played, the game might’ve been close. Eric Gordon might be the second-best player from the ‘08 Draft, when it’s all said and done. His game is developing rapidly, and he’s become very comfortable mixing a slashing game with his pure three-point shot.
by Andy G on Oct 28, 2009 8:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I look for Foye to compete for 6th man of the year....
…it’s the role he should have been playing from the get-go: the Vinnie Johnson energizer bunny off the bench. The guy is a born 3rd guard and that was obvious from the very beginning.
Forever splitting the Cheechakos from the Sourdoughs
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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 28, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amidst all of the Brandon Roy comparisons and general negativity, I think it was sometimes lost on Wolves fans just how good of a pure jumpshooter Foye became in his first few years with us. He wasn’t a point guard, and he’s not a good defender, but few players in the entire league can knock down 22-footers off the dribble the way Foye can. He’s somewhere between Eddie House and Jason Terry in this area, but I think you’re right that he will contend for that award.
by Andy G on Oct 28, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mostly agree, though the long J is one of the most inefficient shots in basketball.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Oct 28, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not so sure....
I think you are overrating his jumper. He’s been very inconsistent with it and last year took a step back in terms of his accuracy with the long jumper. I’d hardly call him pure. Does he sometimes heat up and space the floor? Yes. But he is not a consistent weapon, which is why he’s best used off the bench.
by Rascal Flatts on Oct 28, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As much as Foye the point guard frustrated me, I have always been impressed with his shooting stroke. He has great fundamentals and rhythm and a knack for hitting big shots. I’d still rather have Rubio’s rights, given our team’s situation, but Foye is an underrated shooter. He’ll probably have another 40% year from downtown in 09-10.
by Andy G on Oct 28, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Dallas Commentator
… said that Miller shot too little last year and it hurt the Wolves. He also stated that Foye would start on a lot of NBA teams.
by Dib432 on Oct 28, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure I'd agree
Did the commentator list these teams that Foye would start on?
by dropstep on Oct 28, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have hope
I think Love is already starting to infiltrate this sports market and the hearts and minds of casual fans. I love that Al is starting to speak up a little and get a little feisty. And more than anything I think Flynn is going to be the magic anti-Foye/Roy balm for all the remaining Wolves fans out there (well, for most of them anyways).
I think Foye probably will have a good year this year, but his chances at averaging 8-10 points a night on that Washington squad are equally as good as him averaging 14-16. Some will say, ‘Look what we could have had!’ And most of the rest of us will say, ‘Ya-Brandon Roy.’ I hope Foye can get a fresh start and make his own legacy. That wasn’t going to happen here.
Flynn, on the other hand, is dynamic, magnetic, and plays with a swagger and strength that makes me proud to say that he’s on my team. No more finesse. Let’s bruise some opposing teams for a change. Are we going to win much? Probably not. But this franchise needs to change its cultural narrative and identity as much as it needs to get some more wins. Flynn does that through his personality and playing style. Love does that through his determination on the boards. Al does that be dominating the low post and (we’ll see) realizing he needs to become a better all around player. Brewer does that by making good on his draft selection. Cardinal does that by diving after every loose ball. Ramon does that by continuing to play as if he still needs to prove his worth on the court and picking apart other teams.
This reminds me of the Twins about ten years ago. They had been losing a ton and had completely wasted all the interest and good will from their last World Series run. To most of us casual fans they were a barren wasteland and not worth watching. But then they started to play a whole collection of young guys, let them learn by experience, and before you know it the Twins have reeled off something like 5-6 division championships or playoff appearances out of the last 8 years. My memory of the 2000 and 2001 seasons was that people liked the winning-sure-but they were just as compelled by the players themselves. Torii Hunter and the Soul Patrol, Doug Mientkewitz (sp?), Cristian Guzman, AJ, Johan, Latroy Hawkins and Everyday Eddie. My point isn’t that the Wolves are going to win a bunch of games. It is that they can start to re-establish relevance by letting their young players play and letting all of the rest of us discover them to be not what was here before.
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
by biggity2bit on Oct 28, 2009 9:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mientkiewicz.
I always spell it correctly purely because the announcer in Ken Griffey Jr’s Slugfest pronounced it how it was spelled.
This is Chopper Dave's made for TV movie, Blades Of Vengeance. See, he's a chopper pilot by day, but by night he fights crime as a werewolf... YEAH!
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Oct 28, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adding to the Twins analogy...
Looking back, that group of players wasn’t really that talented save Torii Hunter, AJ Pierzynski, Joe Nathan, and Johan Santana.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Oct 28, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of Course...
Nathan was obtained in the Pierzynski trade and therefore wasn’t here in 2000 or 2001.
Pining for a Troy Hudson/Marko Jaric backcourt.
by SBG on Oct 28, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My bad
I knew that but forgot about the main aspect of the original post when writing his name in there.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Oct 28, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good news: Al will probably play tonight.
Bad news: Flynn and Ellington might be out due to illness.
This is Chopper Dave's made for TV movie, Blades Of Vengeance. See, he's a chopper pilot by day, but by night he fights crime as a werewolf... YEAH!
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Oct 28, 2009 9:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bad news is okay
Sessions will get more burn and get a chance to show what he can do! Hopefully it isn’t swine flu for Flynn and Ellington…
by DR_JPK on Oct 28, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see McHale on TNT?
He looked ok in the suit. He was moving around like he had to pee or a muscrat was crawling up his leg. He used the word “hell”. He gave Barkley grief for having his white tennies untied. They showed highlights of Mac having his way with Charles back in the day.
by A.K. Agikamik on Oct 28, 2009 9:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And No Mention....
That he’d just spent almost a decade and a half running an NBA franchise.
Pining for a Troy Hudson/Marko Jaric backcourt.
by SBG on Oct 28, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I caught that too...
….and coming on the heels of Chuck talking about wanting to be a GM I’m kind of disappointed in TNT. This is Matt Millen all over again. He screws up a franchise and gets a sweet TV gig. You just know he won’t be able to make it through an entire year without saying something snarky about the Wolves and their rebuilding. I blame Gerald Ford. After he pardoned Nixon, it’s all fair game. ;) If there are no standards that high up, there are no standards anywhere.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 28, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not only that
it all spawned a Dick “must-regain-emasculated-executive-power-for-american-presidency-at-all-cost” Cheney and we all know how that turned out.
by uncle rico on Oct 29, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly!
The Unitary Executive theory and the NBA…together at last!!! Of course, it is appropriate that McHale is the guy who brings it all together. I knew there was a reason why he was at all those McCain rallies. ;)
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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 29, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Finishing better than last season would still say something about this team
It’d show that they’ve finally figured out how important that having guards who can finish and/or draw fouls in the paint is to the NBA these days. For all of the talk about what they lack (and they do), they haven’t had an important component to scoring in the league since the hand check rules became interpreted the way they were supposed to.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Oct 28, 2009 10:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yup. I think the big thing about winning more games than last year..
Is that it would show that Kahn and Rambis have a much better understanding of what it takes to win in the NBA than McHale did. Aggressive offense, team defense, forcing turnovers. If the Wolves improve over last season, it will be for schematic reasons.
Because in terms of individual players’ talent, I think they’ve lost some from last year. Not that last year’s was going anywhere, but still…
by LoveTo on Oct 28, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And it would stick it to Bill Simmons just a little
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
by biggity2bit on Oct 28, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
he would just claim that last years team would have won more and say…“I win.”
by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 28, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty amazing the # of former wolves who played last night
This wouldn’t have been a bad rotation:
Bassy
Miller
Foye
Roy (he was drafted by us)
KG
Sheldon Williams
Rhino
All got minutes and played decently, though Bassy / Rhino’s +/- were atrocious. . .
by Sterno on Oct 28, 2009 11:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Miller and Foye...
Really benefit from having a star at a perimeter position. They fit better with Arenas than they did with Al.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Oct 28, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miller and Foye
I’m shocked at how SNP and others are suddenly pining for these guys again. Give me a break, we were going nowhere with that backcourt. If they have good seasons, good for them and washington. But honestly, the trade of those guys made a lot of sense. Both were expiring and do we really want to pay them another contract??? Or let them walk for nothing? Also, for a moment last night I felt kinda sad that Craig Smith was gone, then I realized that all he’d be doing is taking minutes away from Kevin Love and Al Jefferson.
As Wolves fans, it is pretty silly to look backward at this point. We’ve got a new GM and new philosophy. I’m tickled that Kevin McHale is now a broadcaster and not signing crappy guards to huge contracts, and trading #1 draft picks for the right to sign bench warmers to huge contracts…. must I go on… Do we really need to feel bad that we broke up the 20 win team from last year??? Jeez!
by DR_JPK on Oct 28, 2009 12:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i wouldnt exactly call it...
…Pining. I’m glad they’re gone but its hard to get around the idea thay they would be 2 of the teams best players if they were still on the squad. Casual fans will see that and think it’s just another wolves fubar.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 28, 2009 2:01 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
True, Casual Fans...
could think that. I’d argue that regulars on Canis Hoopus are not casual fans. Let those comments be posted on ESPN… Perhaps I’m drinking the Kahn cool-aid, but so far the moves the wolves have made make sense to me.
by DR_JPK on Oct 28, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
painful in the short term but make sense from a structural standpoint long term. Only in the NFL where contracts aren’t gauranteed can you reload each year with FA. But even then they have franchise tags and such. Fans just look at baseball with the yankees and don’t see why teams need to occasionally scrap and reload.
There are just too many moves and the reasons things fail so complicated that we all like to dumb it down.
by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 28, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yall migh remember i wuz Mike Miller's bigess fan lass year mayn
but on de real, i got NO love fo Mike. His hair iz wun uv de top 2 worst thangs ta ever happen, not juss in terms uv haircuts or basketball. iss righ up der wit de movie Juno. iss a complete an utter cultural and financial disaster mayn. lord knows what the aftermath uv such a horendous hairstyle will be. i juss thank god ay night i wont have ta look at it all yer mayn, i wuz gone off de purp lass nigh mayn an i wuz like maynnn hol up dat cant be Mike!!!!!
Den i saw him make a beuatiful three pointa. ay fuck you mike why wuzzint u shootin like dat lass year?!?!?! mayn if he playz well ima be convinced he juss a bitch mafucka know whut im sayin yall???
Ay mayn, who else goin to de game tanigh? ima be in de lower lower level nahm sayin wearin dat ICE CREAM shirt an smellin like de kill so if you see me say wuss poppin mayn an ima fiyah wun up in de stairwell fa sho
MAYN HOL UP!
by MAYNHOLUP on Oct 28, 2009 12:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
at least Juno
had Jason Bateman. Teen Wolf Two, Mayn, Teen Wolf Two. You’ve insulted the Bateman by comparing his movie to Mike Miller.
Does Mike stlll have the flowing blond locks?
by littleboxes on Oct 28, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
iss on sum Etan Thomas bleach blond jumpoff. NOT a good look at all mayn
also i think Juno is legitamtely de worst film dat haz ever been made. i love arrested development but fuck Michael Cera to de fulless extent. bateman juss wanted ta git up on sum young gurl nahm sayin.
wun prediction i aint sed here yet: after watching Tyreke, he’s gonna be a fuckin star mayn. Rookie Uv De year mayn, or at leass de bess stats uv all de rooks. he’s a beass mayn.
MAYN HOL UP!
by MAYNHOLUP on Oct 28, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish we could at least contend for the 8 spot
What is there do to after the Vikings end? The Wild are hopeless.
Percy Harvin is my dealer.
by y2jayjk on Oct 28, 2009 2:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
not if they play nothing but home games
3-0 at home.
0-8 on the road.
by NYCisTwinsTerritory on Oct 28, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you kidding? I'd take my first birthday any time
At 12 months everything was new, and any present was a joy. Look at that kid!
The one we don’t want to keep having is the one where we’re 12 years old and Kevin McHale doesn’t give us that bicycle. Right?
by feral on Oct 28, 2009 3:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
McHale was more like this:

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 28, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've got a nickel
for the psychiatrist visit after the game tonight.
by feral on Oct 28, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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