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Jonny on the Spot

(Quick pre-post note: Before you read this, you really need to click here or scroll down to read Britt Robson's season preview.  Go ahead, do it.)

OK, we all knew that there would be an adjustment period to the new offense, for the new rookies, with the new players, and amongst the new coaches.  I think the general consensus is that this time frame would be a few months and that there would be a bunch of games that would be little more than a prolonged series of bumps and bruises before we saw some improvement near the end of the year.  Let's see a show of hands from those of you who thought we would see a condensed version of this little bit of theater play out over the course of a single game.

I cannot for the life of me think of another Wolves game that played out in direct relation to the way I expect the season to play out as a whole.  In the beginning there was a brief moment of competitiveness followed by a long stretch of holy-crap-this-team-isn't-even-an-NBA-squad-and-they're-completely-overmatched, finished with a nice run of up-tempo ball led by two rookies, a big man forced to play a different role, and...wait for it...actual 4th quarter defense.

Let's talk a bit about the holy crap moments. Specifically, a third-year shooting guard.

Star-divide

There were periods in the first three quarters where I found myself wondering how many games Corey Brewer would last in the starting lineup on a 24-win team with no solid replacements on the bench.  His offensive performance was so unwatchable, so infuriating, so off-the-charts terrible that I couldn't help but wonder just how much of a defensive dynamo he would have to be just to sniff court time. 

In his first 3 quarters of action, Brewer posted a -11 on 1-11 shooting.  In situation after situation he found himself in fantastic position only to a) miss the shot, b) flub the pass, or c) do things you would not expect a professional athlete to do when the rock ends up in his hands.  Corey Brewer open in transition...can't cleanly catch the pass.  Corey Brewer making a nice spin move into open space...passes the ball to the opposition.   Corey Brewer moving off-the-ball into the receipt of a wide open pass....clank.  This is perhaps the most frustrating thing of all about Mr. Brewer: He's energetic, athletic, and smart enough to find himself exactly in the spot he needs to be in on the offensive end of the court...only to muff the execution in spectacular fashion.  This is the primary reason why I find myself rooting for the guy.  He's soooooo close.  If he could just hit 2-3 of those jumpers.  If he could just finish on 1-2 of those whirling dervish drives to the rim.  If he could just catch a ball in traffic.  Everything would be A OK. 

Brewer's saving grace during the first 3 periods was his work on the glass (he ended up with 4 OReb and 8 total boards) and the equally bad shooting of Sasha Pavlovic, who put up a 1-5 1st half effort in less than half the time it took for Brewer to jack up a 1-8. 

Corey's saving grace for the entire game was his work on the defensive end, particularly in the 4th quarter when he was asked to match up against Yi Jianlian at the 4 along down the stretch.  Brewer was all over the place.  Jumping the post, doubling from out of nowhere, popping into passing lanes; you name it and he was doing it on the defensive end, including coming up with a game-saving last-minute double stop on Yi in the lane with both a block and a strip.  If he ever figures it out on the offensive end, I think we're all in for a nice surprise.  However, if last night is any indication, we may be a loooonnnnnggg way from seeing him put it together on that end of the court. 

One final thing about Mr. Brewer: It's not a bad thing that he ended up with a team-high 14 shots.  Yeah, that's a big number but they were spread out 5/3/3/3 over 4 quarters, and they weren't exactly terrible looks.  Again, this guy has a knack to get open in the 1/2 court and in transition.  He just can't finish. 

The second big theme of this contest was the in-game development of Jonny Flynn.  Yes, I know it's just a single game.  However, it was pretty hard to ignore what changed during the course of 4 short quarters with the Wolves' s shiny new point guard.  He started the game playing like he was thinking a bit too hard about what was going on out there on the court.  In his second and third stints he looked out of place, especially in relation to the cool performance of Ramon Sessions.  My main guess as to why this was the case is that Flynn has to work himself through the maze of his team's pecking order.  He just can't come in and attack, attack, attack while not passing the ball, and he balanced his sometimes out-of-control 1st 1/2 play with a tentative approach to the 1/2 court offense.  In other words, he was all-on/all-off and very little in between for most of the game. 

In the 4th quarter, Flynn traded in his point guard hat for an Alpha Dog one and he placed himself at the top of the team's pecking order by attacking the lane, pushing the tempo, and getting to the line.  The only times the 4th quarter started to drag were when Flynn would make attempts at dumping the ball down to Al Jefferson.  This shouldn't be a bad thing in the long run, but Big Al's legs clearly weren't there and he really struggled from the floor.

Getting back to Flynn, he was able to get wherever he wanted to with the ball in the 4th quarter.  Granted, he was getting to where he wanted to score, and he showed very little in terms of using his speed for facilitation, but anytime you see a player quick enough to make Devin Harris look like a lead-footed plodder, you have to hope that he can eventually find a way to make his quicks work for the good of his teammates.  It was fantastic to see Jonny get to the rim at will; it will be even better when he turns on the jets in order to set up a lob pass or to collapse the weakside defense.  These are the sorts of things that will turn him into a top flight point and not just a more likable Nate Robertson. 

Let's finish this thing up with some bullet points:

  • The Wolves' starting wing players (Brewer, Damien Wilkins, and Ryan Gomes) went 10-35 from the floor.  If you throw in Pavlovic, they did a 13-46 number on the home rims. 
  • While Flynn had the flashy 4th and Wilkins hit the game-winning shot, my game ball goes to Wayne Ellington, who quietly played the entire 4th quarter while showing defensive grit, ball-handling skills, and an ability to hit the open shot.  He was active on the offensive end and he even grabbed 4 rebounds (2 of them offensive) down the stretch. Again, we're only talking about one game, but Ellington had the best all-around game of any Wolves wing player last night. 
  • Brian Cardinal was the team's best player in the 1st three quarters. 
  • The winning formula for this game was 60/40 Wolves' effort to the Nets' late-game buffonery.  Brook Lopez could have scored 50 points last night and for the life of me I will never understand why Lawrence Frank didn't ride that horse all the way home. 
  • At one point in the 4th quarter, Frank ran out a lineup of Lopez, Courtney Lee, Chris Douglas-Roberts, Terrence Williams, and Rafer Alston.  3 wings, a sort-of point, and a big.  Again, I have no idea why they didn't pound the ball into Lopez when he was getting whatever he wanted whenever he wanted, but maybe the Wildcat offense has made its way to the NBA.  This lineup gave up a -5 in the heart of the 4th quarter.  It allowed the Wolves to not be exposed at the 4 (which had been a huge problem up to that point) as well as to keep their most effective players on the court.  Thank you Coach Frank. 
  • In something we will be keeping our eyes on all season long, Ramon Sessions got Kevin Ollie's minutes....all 19 of them.  Sessions and Cardinal deserve credit for holding down the fort when nothing was going right during the middle of the game.  Last year, the Wolves go down by 20+ in that situation with Mr. Ollie or Randy Foye running the point.  I love having Sessions at the helm for those minutes but can they really give the guy only 17-20 mpg? 
  • Did I mention that Wayne Ellington had a really nice game and completely bailed out the team's poor offensive wing play with his excellent 4th quarter?
  • Ryan Gomes, where art thou?  I think we have this one nailed down by now: Gomesy only works when playing big at the 3 or small at the 4.  Last night he found himself up against his natural foils at both slots and was appropriately ineffective.  
  • The White Hole played 5 minutes and took 4 shots.  Awesome.  

Well, that about does it.  One thing I want everyone to pay attention to going forward is the number of shots the Wolves take compared to their opponents.  Last night that mark was 93 to 81.  Getting 12 more shots than your oppoent while beating them by 6 FTAs at the line will make up for a lot of bad shooting.  How did the Wolves get 12 more FGAs and 6 more FTAs?  They were +12 in the turnover department.  They didn't shoot that well and they were out-rebounded without Kevin Love, but they won the offensive rebounding, turnover, and free throw battle and that's why they won the game.  Solid defense (i.e. generating turnovers) and hustle on the offensive glass generated 18 more scoring attempts than the Nets.  Wilkins had a nice shot to end things, but a single possession is not why they won the game (BTW: credit for Wilkins' shot should go to Big Al's work on the offensive glass, as he's the one who tipped it to the open man).  If only they could shoot the ball...

Until later.

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What is a Corey Brewer?

So, Corey Brewer placed two positions last night that are laughable for him: Shooting guard and Power Forward. Think about that: A guy who can’t shoot and one of the five skinniest guys in the league. What are we going to do with him?

I still think that Corey Brewer is extremely important to the future of this franchise because he plays such great defense. He can be our Dennis Rodman, all defense and no offense.

by jgale on Oct 29, 2009 8:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Are you wanting a proper noun?

The adjective “disruptive” occurred to me on another board. That’s what Corey is, on both ends alas.

The Rodman comparison is interesting to me partly because, having living in Ann Arbor during the second Pistons championship, I know that Dennis was a utility knife defender and rebounder back then, and no classic power forward at all. As an emerging kid Dennis Rodman had some of the same qualities — the difference being that Chuck Daly (Requiescat in Pace) found a way to control Rodman’s slower, more deliberate goofiness on offense.

by feral on Oct 29, 2009 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Easy

I know Brewer missed a lot of shots last night, but in all honesty (and granted I’m a glass half full kinda guy) I’ll take those misses from him if he’s doing what SnP pointed out above. Brewer was in position all night long. No settling for contested jump shots with 3 left on the shot clock. He was disruptive, definitely, and if anything he looked like he was just a little too revved up on a bunch of his lay-in misses and passes to the opposing defense.

If Brewer starts converting even 2-3 of those shots the Wolves suddenly have another matchup problem other teams have to account for.

I guess I felt that, despite the misses, Brewer had a very positive game last night. I think it’ll be easier to get Brewer to make those easy lay-ups and shots than to try to teach someone how to be in the right spot, at the right time. Dude can play. If Rambis sticks with him and lets him figure out how to slow down certain parts of his game Brewer is going to surprise people this year. I for one hope he keeps playing with the mentality he had last night, as he has the potential to be a terror for other teams—the sneaky 15 points, 8 boards, and 3 steals from a guy you want to overlook that ends up either beating you or keeping you in the game long enough to let JFly or Al put it away.

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Oct 29, 2009 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, as the cup half empty guy

Yeah, he did some good things, but you just can’t live with that shooting every night. There’s been very little evidence so far in his career that the shooting/hands/finishing will get better.

You can’t shoot 30% as a team (of which Brewer was a major contributor) for more than 3 quarters and expect to win games.

On the plus side, while forcing the TOs was great, what really made me happy was how few turnovers the Wolves committed under the circumstances (many new players, rookies with the ball in their hands). Plus getting to the line.

by Eric in Madison on Oct 29, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

He can be our Rodman

but who is our Jordan (or Pippen for that matter). If the Wolves find two or three great offensive players who demand the ball, Brewer can be kept for his D, in fact in that scenario his lack of offense would be an asset since the other guys get more touches. However, if one or two great scorers are not found, then Brewer’s offense becomes a liability. He would probably be a great fit for the Cavaliers.

by Rumblebee on Oct 29, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ellington solidly in the rotation -- because Rambis is doing what he said he'd do

You look at that box score last night, surely the first of many peculiar statistical stews from this roster this year, and it’s pretty heartening to see that Kurt R. stuck to playing young talent through the bumps in the road. He also found a way to make playing almost his entire bench look sensible.

Reading through the popcorn machine gameflow, I see essentially no dead stretches of the game in terms of playing developmental young talent. The closest Rambis got was a moment about 1/3 of the way into the 3rd period when he sent out Jefferson, Brewer, Sessions, Wilkins, and Cardinal. Sessions and Brewer, still, right? Even that lasted for a fleeting moment, and then Hollins was in again.

You play what you have on the roster, granted, but there are certainly coaches who find it hard to stick it out with rookie point guards and the likes of Wayne Ellington when a game’s closing up. Rambis used everyone but Jawai (who wasn’t even suited) and he put lineups out there that made some sense throughout. He still went very young, relying on two rookies in the backcourt for most of the fourth and so on. Those are decent signs. He meant what he said about youth, and he can make it look like an intelligible rotation.

by feral on Oct 29, 2009 8:31 AM CDT reply actions  

Good points about Rambis..

…he handled it perfectly last night. Very encouraging.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 29, 2009 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

And was in Zen mode

It’s almost disorienting to have your coach calm during a game. The triangle is probably good for coaches’ blood pressure.

by feral on Oct 29, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Corey Brewer

Agreed that Corey’s 14 shot attempts wasn’t as glaring in the game as it was on paper. I can only think of 1 or 2 instances where Corey took a shot that made me cringe BEFORE it clanked. I kind of believe that one of the reasons he looked so bad shooting though was that he’s typically pretty hyped up early in the season (and pre-season for that matter). Once he settles down, I’m guessing the shots will fall at a much more reasonable clip (relative to Corey, we’re still talking 42% here).

How amazing was it though to have two Point Guards that can play both offense AND defense. Have we EVER had that?

by Blakeley on Oct 29, 2009 8:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Once he settles down?

It’s been three years. Corey hasn’t settled down.

by feral on Oct 29, 2009 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sort of

More like 1.25 years of actual development time.

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Oct 29, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was plesantly surprised..

…with Flynn’s defense. Nothing fantastic, but it was serviceable. Sessions can really get after it.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 29, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wilkins and Pavlovic are both decent defenders, too

If Flynn can get as much run as he did last night while holding his own (at least on rookie terms) defensively against the likes of Harris, this Woofs roster has dramatically improved its perimeter defense.

Now, if only Al could get off the floor a bit, or Love was on the court, or Hollins knew his basics…. There are some pieces in the front court.

by feral on Oct 29, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rookies

Flynn and Williams look like two pretty special rookies. Both need to spend some time on their jumpers, but that comes with experience and good form. Even if it’s one game against a bad team, each guy showed the ability to get all the way to the basket and finish. In Williams case, I couldn’t believe how smooth of a ballhandler he was for a big guard. In Flynn’s case, it was refreshing to see a guy with Telfair’s motor and quickness, but with the ability and willingness to draw contact and finish around the rim.

Also, Ty Lawson played excellent last night for Denver. He was the reason they pulled ahead in the 2nd Half against a good Utah team. I wasn’t particularly high on him as a prospect, but he sure looked good in Game 1.

by Andy G on Oct 29, 2009 8:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Tangential, but it must be said...

…did you see what Ty Lawson did last night? I know it wasn’t really practical to have him on the team after we drafted Rubio and Flynn, but still worth mentioning.

And yes, I know, just one game. But still, he was impressive. What did we get for him again?

by rencito on Oct 29, 2009 8:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Bobcats’ first rounder.

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Oct 29, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

just remember that

he put up his mostly against backups. Solid performance, but didn’t we all expect that out of Lawson? The only reason he didn’t go higher was that the other PGs were younger. To me, the fact that Flynn played so well at age 20 means more. If Rubio had been selected earlier, I would have loved to have had Flynn and Lawson as the 1-2 at the PG spot. That way we could have picked up another piece. That just wasn’t how it went down, unfortunately.

by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 29, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I only watched part of it...

but Lawson played well against Deron Williams. Forced a travel and scored some points.

by Andy G on Oct 29, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

he looked really good no matter who was guarding him. they stuck ronnie brewer on him at one point and lawson just embarrassed him off the dribble. my ty lawson excitement is through the roof. he might make a denver fan out of me (no easy task considering the fiery hatred i still feel for them after they knocked my warriors out of the playoff race at the ROARacle two seasons back).

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Oct 29, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rooting for Brewer

I, too, hope Brewer develops, but his defense is not always as stellar as some feel. He was burned badly, at least once, on a cut down the lane. No excuses. Even Jim Petersen commented how a team that runs the triangle offense should be prepared for seeing these cuts from their opponents, since they are a vital part of the triangle. Cory’s shooting is beyond bad, but he gets more love from posters than Wilkens. Wilkens is a complete non-entity to the posters here, yet he was the only effective scorer in the first quarter. He made the dramatic winning shot, and still didn’t get a post game interview or really any praise from any writers anywhere. Big Al & Cory Brewer, our longest tenured Wolves, played poorly for most of the game. Al is not whole, yet. Cardinal never hurts the team he is playing for and will, therefore, always have a job. Flynn and Ellington did well for rookies, but this team will need a lot from both of them, so their good play is crucial. The middle half of the game was completely unwatchable, a bad sign for a home opener. I hope a few fans at the game were willing to stick around for the unlikely finish. I’ll bet some left before it was over.

by ogishkemuncie on Oct 29, 2009 9:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Good point on Wilkens

To me he won this game for us in more ways than the literal one. My take on him, and this isn’t meant as a put down, is:
1. like Brewer, I’ll believe it when I see it night in and night out.
2. Wilken’s upside is what we saw last night, whereas Brewer’s upside is significantly higher. Combined with Brewer’s age and size + athleticism, I think you see where those of us focusing on Brewer are coming from.

Having said all that, I thought immediately after we got Wilkens that we got a decent backup off the bench. I think he will contribute to this team—not sure if he’s going to keep starting, but I don’t think he’s a throwaway guy either.

I would be interested to hear what people thought of Al’s performance last night. Have to admit that for the first time I saw why he could be tradeable. He was outplayed by Hollins in the first half, and when he got the ball it seemed like all the movement just stopped. I understand his role is to score, but Brook Lopez showed how low post scoring is done when the ball is moving around and everyone’s passing. Maybe he just doesn’t have his legs under him yet, but Love looks tailor made for this type offense and Al? Well maybe, maybe not. Just makes me wonder if, after this year, Al shows that he’s not a really good fit for this offense/defense, if Kahn would consider him as a key piece of a sign and trade for a big name FA. You have to give value to get value, and with Pekovic out there.

Just sayin’ (and maybe inflaming a little).

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Oct 29, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pekovic so far

Through 2 games this year, Pekovic is averaging:
19.5 minutes, 15.5 points on 70.6% shooting, 7 FT on 7 FTA (total through two games), 6 rebounds (2 offensive), and 1.5 blocks.

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Oct 29, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

He is a tank. I would really like to see him play on the same team as Rubio, because Pek is a monster roller/finisher on ballscreen plays. The Rubio Pek and Roll could be a thing of legend..

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by Xand1 on Oct 29, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I actually thought Al was making a decent effort to move the ball, at least until he put on his blinders and tried to force the issue in the 4th. He also apparently took a charge in the 1st before I got to my seats, something he tried to do probably twice last year. I was pretty heartened by his play, considering he’s dealing with a new system and new teammates. It all depends if he keeps putting effort into his D and if he learns to play off of Flynn instead of both of them just being 1 on 1 attackers, but I think there’s cause for optimism.

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by Xand1 on Oct 29, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

plus you could tell

he does not have even his old hops back. It will take at least 3-6 months to be able to see how he will rebound from his injury. Which is partly why Lopez looked so good…he had both height and hops advantage.

by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 29, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think at this point

That Al would be hard pressed to jump over some matchbooks set up on the court. Which isn’t to say he’s done, watching the Spurs game I was reminded that I could probably outleap a supremely effective Duncan.

by aarendsvark on Oct 29, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Al looked 75% in early warmups

I was on the floor from 5-6:30. Al came out for about 20 minutes a little before 6. His post moves looked slower and less natural than last season. It seemed like he had to think more about what he was doing, even without any D.

by A.K. Agikamik on Oct 29, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oy..

….I wonder how long it will take for him to get his legs back. We’re probably talking months here.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 29, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh yeah.

I figure at least three months if he doesn’t push it too hard in a game and reinjure. There just isn’t alot of time to rest and recoup during the season. Maybe not until after the All star break.

by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 29, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ellington looked like a seasoned role player out there, which was a fantastic surprise. If he can keep that up, he’s going to be quite valuable when he starts knocking down 3’s.

As to the Jonny not setting guys up point, I’d counter by saying that he didn’t really have any openings to set guys up. Every time he took it at the rim he was basically going 1 on 1 and had no problem getting in place to shoot/draw the foul. A good PG knows when to take it himself, and that time is when the D isn’t collapsing and is letting him get layups at the rim. The true test will come once teams realize he’s a threat to slash and start to collapse on him when he heads toward the rim, creating openings for him to make the pass. Since those opportunities weren’t there today, I don’t think it’s fair to fault him for not setting the table for others.

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by Xand1 on Oct 29, 2009 9:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Good points..

….Rambis made a point about Flynn not setting up the offense like Sessions during his post-game press conference. It’s not like he had a ton of options. That being said, you can tell which guard is the seasoned point guard and which one is not.

J-Pete had a really good point about Ellington on the PA Show yesterday: He’s the anti-Shaddy. That’s spot-on. BTW: Let’s just imagine for a moment that the Wolves beat the Cavs on Friday. How big of a freak-out does Cleveland have if they start out 0-3 and are overmatched in 2 conference games and beaten by a bottom-dwelling WC team? I said it at the time: That Shaq deal was stupid and it totally kills the Cavs. Even if they beat the Wolves, will they panic and trade for Captain Jack? It’s very, very, very early, but this could be a huge plot line this year: If the Cavs look like they don’t have it in them and they trade their big expiring deal, does LBJ stick around?

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 29, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah they are in a woeful state. Outside of LBJ, there’s not a whole lot to like on that team. I’d be real worried if I were a Cav’s fan right now, because good D and LBJ alone can only take you so far. They really should have made a better move than Shaq, especially because it seems he was brought in solely to handle Howard in the playoffs, but even if they make it past the Magic there’s no way they can beat the Lakers/Spurs.

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by Xand1 on Oct 29, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

the good d...

…is a thing of the past with Shaq on the team. Plus, Ilgauskus can’t guard anyone anymore. It’s not only that. Their offense has nothing. Shaq doesn’t command double teams anymore and they have no one else on the roster who can create his own shot. How weird is it that they have suddenly become an amazingly flawed team?

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 29, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think Danny Ferry is secretly one of the NBA's worst GM's

LeBron doesn’t need much more than a team of scrubs to be a contender. So Ferry goes out and tries to upgrade his scrubs just enough to get them over the top. He’s just so short-sighted. He’s got $50 million to work with outside of LeBron’s salary, and the best he can turn it into is Mo Williams, 38 year old Shaq, and Anderson Varajao?

A good GM would put a championship team around LeBron easily. Ferry got him a team that might win if everyone stays healthy, if everything breaks their way, and if LeBron can play 48 minutes of every game with a PER of 39. If I were LeBron, I’d get the hell out of there as soon as possible.

by John Doe on Oct 29, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't the "Get Shaq" card now the mantra...

Of desperate, floundering GMs who know that unless they bring a championship to their club, they’re going to get canned?

First Steve Kerr, now Danny Ferry. After seeing what happened to the Suns when they slowed down, why would Ferry think it would be better with his team? It’s like they see Shaq and somehow he KAZAAMS them into believing he’s 5 years younger.

Plus, the NBA is moving too fast for dreadnaught centers anyway. In a couple years’ time, guys like Shaq are going to be dinosaurs in both senses of the word.

by BLayne23 on Oct 29, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

If the Cavs get Jackson...

it’ll be reminiscent of Gasol for Kwame. Jackson, off the court issues aside, is a borderline great NBA player. Cleveland has nothing of use for Golden State. If Cleveland can get Jack, they could have LeBron guard power forwards and essentially solve most matchup problems.

by Andy G on Oct 29, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree...

…that he’d be great with a healthy Shaq, but Cleveland can’t risk a Shaq-as-the-only-big team in a conference with Howard and Garnett/Wallace. Even if he makes it through the season with no injures, he’ll be completely overmatched in the playoffs. They’ll need a big coming back to make it work. Plus, Jackson has a terrible contract. Danny Ferry has his work cut out for him. I think they should wait until close to the deadline and try to get Thabeet or Gasol + Gay from Memphis. Chris Wallace is stupid enough to make that sort of thing happen for a huge expiring contract. Memphis is going to make some team very, very, very happy this year with a ridiculous trade.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 29, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hmm, Gasol + Gay.. What do you think it would take to pry those two away from them? Expirings + the Bobcats pick? That would be tempting..

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by Xand1 on Oct 29, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Chris Wallace + financial doom + panic =

some kind of crazy trade. I have no idea what it will be but that team is a disaster. There’s no two ways of looking at it. They are mismatched, they have two terrible “vets”, they have two wing scorers who can’t/won’t play together, and they used their top pick on a position that was already capably filled. They also play in a small market with a dwindling fan base. Chris Wallace is going to do something crazy and I hope David Kahn is there to help him along with it. Someone is going to make one of those “holy crap” trades with Memphis this year.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 29, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yessir, I’m with you on that one. I’m not the hugest Gay fan, as you may know, but the talent is undeniable and I would be sold in a heartbeat if we could pry Gasol away with him. He’d be an almost ideal 3rd big on this team, IMO. He doesn’t solve the plodding front court issues, but he’s an executor in the half court and a huge body who would let Al play PF for significant minutes each game. I’d be on the phone every day with them if I were Kahn.

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by Xand1 on Oct 29, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't hold my breath

Memphis isn’t that desperate financially. Unless we’re going to eat the last year of Randolph’s salary, they really don’t have much dead weight.

Gasol to LA was at least a dump of salary at the time (which they foolishly replaced with Randolph). Trading Gay and Gasol makes no sense at all no matter what kind of homer glasses I’m wearing.

by Blond Ricky on Oct 29, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

It also doesn't help that Mike Brown is a bad coach.

Their offense still looks the same as it did three years ago, and it still sucks. LeBron does nothing off the ball, despite having the build of a power forward.

by Andy G on Oct 29, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

i wouldn’t call him a bad coach. he got that team to defend like their lives depended on it, and outside of lebron, varejao and delonte, who on that team really would play defense in any other system? getting a team to defend is one of the toughest parts of any coaches job, especially when your team lacks features mo williams and z in the starting lineup.

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by cap'n hack on Oct 29, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fine...

he’s an atrocious offensive coach and pretty good defensive coach. There’s no excuse for a team with a talent like LeBron to play mediocre (putting it kindly) offensive basketball.

by Andy G on Oct 29, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

jack is not a borderline great NBA player. he turns the ball over a ton, tries to do way too much, fires up too many jumpers, and his defense has slipped. he’s still a good NBA player, but if stephen jackson is your first or even your second offensive option, you have a bad team. he’d be great for the cavs because he could be the number 3 guy, focus on hitting open shots and defending his man, but let’s not call up the gasol trade as a comparison here.

and did i mention his terrible contract? it’s really bad. so bad, in fact that when coupled with his whining and lazy play there’s good cause for the post on GSoM about whether or not you’d use monta as a sweetner to make a jack trade happen.

http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2009/10/27/1103558/would-you-dump-monta-to-dump-jack

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by cap'n hack on Oct 29, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m sure you watch him more than me, but I like Jack as an all-around player. I think Williams-Jackson-James is a good enough 1-2-3 to legitimatey challenge for the title and it’s worth the contract to make it happen. But GS would be foolish to take back whatever Cleveland would give them when they can entertain other offers.

by Andy G on Oct 29, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

at this point, i’d take any expiring contract for him. he’s good, but that contract is atrocious and he wants out. there are better ways for the warriors to spend $10M per year over the next four years (on average, it’s an escalating deal), so i’d take z as a “get out from under jack’s contract free” card. he’s a nice piece on a contender, he’s not a nice piece on a young team with no chance of contending for at least a couple years.

the warriors have the wing players to replace him without losing that much. we’re worse without him, but how much worse? 3 or 4 games? i’ll take that hit this year and play morrow and azubuike for more minutes while getting some money to play with in free agency.

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by cap'n hack on Oct 29, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like the perspective

years as a wolves fan has given me a whole new appreciation for not being over the cap.

by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 29, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

also, i like the z for jack trade more and more from a cavs perspective for the exact reason that cavs management says they don’t want to do it: it leaves them thin at the bigs. that might actually be the best thing that could happen to them because suddenly, they have to go small for extended stretches and that might be their best lineup already, even without jack involved. don’t you like the sounds of a mo, jack, moon/parker, lebron, shaq starting 5? i kind of do. bring in varejao off the bench and that team looks like a matchup nightmare.

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by cap'n hack on Oct 29, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed

it seems like they just got less mobile. The lakers or celtics are going to chew them up.

by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 29, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, LeBron will probably have to guard the Rashard Lewis’s and maybe even Rasheed Wallace’s of the East if Cleveland is going to advance to the finals. That means they need a capable defender (like Jack) to guard the Carter’s and Pierce’s.

by Andy G on Oct 29, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Turning LeBron into a "stretch 4"

Isn’t the worst idea in the world anyway, is it?

by BLayne23 on Oct 29, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just tried a trade out on ESPN

and Z and Jawad Williams for Jack and Claxton works. GS gets to get two expirings.

GS can buy out Z who can then wait 30 days and resign with Cle for vet min. Jawad Williams is a throw-in with no deal for next year. GS clears up 8.5M for next year without the cancer that will be Jack.

Cle can buyout claxton…wait 30 days and resign Z with the roster spot. Taking back claxton doesn’t make Cle lock up all of Z’s expiring with a bad deal.

That doesn’t break any rules does it?

by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 29, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

i’d do it, but stand by that not getting z back would be the best thing for the cavs. besides, i’d want him around to soak up some of brandan wright’s front court minutes while he recovers (i’m not even sure of the timetable for his return). it seems like both teams win if the warriors keep z, and the cavs are just being greedy by asking for him back. i’m waiting for a couple more cavs’ losses and hope that pressures ’em into making the right decision.

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by cap'n hack on Oct 29, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

if you would have to pay Z

anyway…why not get some use out of him. play him for a month or so to get wright healthy…then cut him if you want to save some money ie the prorated portion of his $1,306,455 minimum salary, which is what Cle could resign him for (I think).

by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 29, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

who doesn’t win in that situation? no one, that’s who. pleasure doing business with you. now if we could only get larry riley and danny ferry on the phone…

also, the “we just hammered out a trade between these two teams that everyone likes” is one of my favorite sports blog events. it’s better when each blogger is representing their own team, but this still ends with a satisfied virtual handshake.

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by cap'n hack on Oct 29, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

hell

if we figure out how to move magette, Riley should pay us. We might get that cap number down to below 40M for 9 players so GS could actually play a little in the great 2010 FA contest.

by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 29, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

the problem with moving maggette is that it’d have to be to a contender or a borderline contender, and they’re all pretty well set at the small forward. best destinations i can think of are portland and washington and i don’t really see either of those teams doing that. washington makes more sense because he’d give them some scoring off the bench and make foye’s job of running the offense way easier (seriously, pass it to maggs and whatever play you were running is done- he’s shooting), but i don’t think they have anything i’m interested in that they’d want to give up.

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by cap'n hack on Oct 29, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

GS would take Z in an second

By reports Cleveland won’t give up Z because they need bigs for the playoffs. If Z were available it’d already be done.

by Blond Ricky on Oct 29, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree that the Shaq deal isn't working thus far

But they gave up Pavlovich and Ben Wallace for him. I don’t think those two guys are missed in Cleveland.

by aarendsvark on Oct 29, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you to everyone who took part in the game thread last nigh

That was alot of fun..it was the most active game thread I’ve taken part of since I started following canis hoopus.kudos also go out to Wynn and Stop N Pop..fantastic coverage guys…it’s so nice to know that in a city where the wolves are probably the least popular team, that there is the coverage from passionate fans like you guys..you guys are the best

by TonyO on Oct 29, 2009 12:16 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

danke

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 29, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Game Thread

I read the game thread after the game. It was interesting to see the complete dichotomy between the middle of the game and the end of the game. As SNP captured well in his post, young teams are incredibly inconsistent. One minute fans are pounding their heads on a table, the next minute they are jumping for joy. That was a great comeback last night, enjoy this one!

It was very encouraging to see the rookies heavily involved in the comeback. Perhaps this will be looked at as a strong draft by the wolves brass…no matter what happens with Rubio.

by DR_JPK on Oct 29, 2009 12:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

As someone that DVR’s all Wolves games, one of my favorite past times is reading the game thread after I finish. Keep the over-reactions and one liners coming!

by Blakeley on Oct 29, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good take on Brewer

…also, aside from his 4 O-Boards, he was also tipped, tapped or kept alive several other 50-50 balls that ended up in the Wolves possession. And I think it’s hard to understate how active he was on the defensive end.

by Boss10 on Oct 29, 2009 1:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Brewer baffles me.

He can play defense, and his length is something every basketball wonk on Earth is willing to fall all over themselves to praise, along with his athletecism for someone so “long”.

But – how do you get a spot on an NBA roster when you can’t hit a fastbreak layup, let alone a 25 foot shot? Better question: what does it say about college basketball (and/or Florida’s coaching staff) that they could win two championships with not one, but TWO starters who simply cannot shoot?

But the ultimate question remains. If the guy never figures it out on offense…if somehow he never can tell his hands to do what his mind and feet seem to be able to…will his other strengths be enough to outweigh the fact that when he is on the court on offense, he puts his team against 5 on 4? In today’s high-scoring NBA, can that really work?

Given all the work it seems he has to do offensively, can we really assume that he will one day be a plus player on offense? I have to say no. It’s one thing to decide you’re going to climb a mountain when you’re standing at the bottom of the mountain and just start climbing. It’s another thing when you know in theory what a mountain is, but you can’t make your hands grab the rock. (I am sure there’s a better metaphor to use, but my brain isn’t working right now.)

Rodman worked because he was a supreme defender and out of this world rebounder in a slower era in the league. Those advantages far ourweighed his deficiencies and worked for the era he played in. With the league pushing more and more to emulate the SSOL Suns, shooting is more of a premium. You’ve got to score as much as you have to defend.

by BLayne23 on Oct 29, 2009 1:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Me too.

I’ve never seen a player whose principal gift is “athleticism” that has less body control. I don’t see how this will ever change. It’s almost like he’s trying to adapt to an offseason growth spurt each year. But he’d need to be Thabeet by now if that we’re the case.

by dropstep on Oct 29, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its like

KG in that he plays so amped up. Brewer can play that amped and fast on D (part of what makes him a good defender), but needs to take an extra breath on offense. It’s like he is just rushing through the motions and baffled by why the shots aren’t falling down. I don’t know if the game just hasn’t slowed down for him mentally or what.

by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 29, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

To put into perspective how important Brewer is to the team, think about this:

In 2004, the year we brought in Sam and Spree and the ONLY year the Wolves have EVER amounted to anything significant, we made the western conference finals starting….drumroll……….Trenton Hassell and Ervin Johnson. And believe me, it wasn’t because they were great shooters.

MIssed shots, lots of rebounds, baffling missteps, great defense…..let’s focus on the bottom line. Corey was +3 last night. Meaning despite the God awful shooting, we were still better WITH him on the floor than without him.

by Oceanary on Oct 29, 2009 2:52 PM CDT reply actions  

True

In 2007, the Spurs’ Michael Finley and Bruce Bowen shot 41% and 40% respectively. They had TWO key rotation players that had a difficult time scoring efficiently. Both were solid, but not great, 3-point shooters that year, but that’s about it. We know Brewer will never be an offensive stud, but we also know that last night was the low-end of his typical performance range. I’ve seen three acceptable stretches of offensive play from Brewer in the past year: 1) Last year’s preseason, 2) Last year’s brief stretch of regular season games, and 3) this year’s pre-season. So we know he can do better and he will do better. The key is to find a stud starting SF that bumps Brewer down the pecking order of options.

by Rascal Flatts on Oct 29, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

What did Brewer shoot this preseason percentage wise? If it’s what I think, I wouldn’t call it acceptable.

He can do better than Wed. atrocious shooting performance, but how much better?

by Blond Ricky on Oct 30, 2009 6:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

I believe he shot 41% from the floor and 40% from three during preseason. Low, but the FG% was buoyed by his 3pt and FT #‘s to an acceptable level of efficiency. Definitely good enough to justify keeping him on the floor, and that’s all he needs to do given everything else he brings to the table.

I’d expect that 3pt % to regress a bit, but it’s possible that he could shoot in the mid 30’s, which would be huge for him if he can get to the line a bit.

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by Xand1 on Oct 30, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

his TS% was an abysmal .473. that accounts for his 3s and FTs. in order for that level of efficiency to be acceptable, he’d need to be an incredible defender. he’s been pretty good on that end of the floor, but he’s to become a solid NBA player, he needs to pick up his offense and fast.

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by cap'n hack on Oct 30, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

For the preseason? You got me. I don’t even know where one finds advanced stats for preseason games.

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by Xand1 on Oct 31, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Although that appears to be his TS% from the 08/09 season, which was not great, though it was a nice improvement from his terrible rookie season. I’m pretty sure his preseason #‘s would show yet another jump forward. Whether or not he’ll carry that into a much longer regular season is another question.

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by Xand1 on Oct 31, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

We might be a bad team but...

We actually play defense. We used to balance out our misses with offensive rebounding, now we do it with steals. When Love comes back, it might be both. We still don’t turn the ball over. We get easy points via the fast break. We’re actually trying to run a real offense.

For a team lacking in seasoned talent, we do a lot of things that are going to help us overcome our weaknesses and stay competitive against better teams. We won’t be good this year, but I think we’ll be fun to watch.

by John Doe on Oct 29, 2009 3:01 PM CDT reply actions  

so, you guys are officially super excited about this year’s draft, right? great performances out of flynn and ellington. now once the rubio situation gets figured out, it’ll be a monster draft for you, whether rubio comes over or you get some good pieces in return. congrats on the win.

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by cap'n hack on Oct 29, 2009 3:06 PM CDT reply actions  

thanks

it’s about time we didn’t get hosed in the draft. I chalk that one up to karma. Or apparently Murphy just felt really bad for us.

by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 29, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think I speak for everyone at Canis Hoopus

When I place the results of this draft squarely on the absurdly thin shoulders of Henk Norel. Will he come over? Won’t he? Will the endorsement deals be enough? It’s been driving me crazy since draft night. He could be that 4th PF we so desperately need!

by nja700 on Oct 29, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

he is our only hope

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 29, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

The first 3.5 Qtrs were my worst nightmare

as far as this season goes. Then as soon as I thought oh no, they can’t even compete with NJ at home, they go on a run. I still fear a 22 win season.

As for Session’s minutes, or lack thereof, I still believe Kahn views him more as ASSET than long term Wolf. He gave up nothing for him, and signed him to a decent contract while half the league was cutting spending. He can be traded before the deadline to a contender trying to overcome an injury. Kahn says, wow you could really use Sessions, of course we also need to get rid of Blount, in other words a money saving move. After the season, Sessions becomes more valuable because his reasonable contract is a year shorter. Kahn realized he had a hole to fill this year, and signed a guy that fills a need while Flynn learns, then will be easily traded.

by Rumblebee on Oct 29, 2009 6:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Sessions

I’d be fine dealing him if the right trade came about, but the idea of having either him or Flynn on the court at all times is intriguing. Flynn is a top 12 PG in the entire league by PER and we have him as a backup, getting paid approriate to that. How is that not awesome?

by Blond Ricky on Oct 29, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brewer yet again

I think most are optimistic with the good things Brewer can do, but this team also needs a scoring PF so that any offense Cory provides would be gravy, not essential. We don’t have proven scorers unless/until Al becomes whole.

by ogishkemuncie on Oct 29, 2009 8:05 PM CDT reply actions  

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