Game Thread #2: Giving Cleveland Their First Win
by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 30, 2009 6:50 PM CDT
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PrintCleveland Cavaliers at Minnesota Timberwolves, Oct 30, 2009 7:00 PM CDT
Cleveland will likely rock tonight at the Target Center. It's LBJ's only visit to Minny this season so this is one of those games you really don't want to miss. Will the home crowd pull a repeat of last year's contest and give Mr. James a standing ovation in the 4th quarter? Is this just a clever ploy by the home fans to lure the biggest 2010 free agent to the friendly confines of 600 First Avenue with a hefty dose of Minnesota Nice? Will LeBron go for a triple or a quadruple double? How hard will the Big Reality Star foul Jonny Flynn as an "introduction" to the NBA?
The answers to all these questions and more...tonight at 7. For those of you following along at home, be sure to check out our Twitter page where Wyn will be giving updates from the game.
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Its going to be alot closer than people think
I’ll be the homer here and say Jawai will make a difference and the Wolves will WIN! 101-97
Hey man!
Percy agrees! Wolves win tonight.
I’ve been saying it since the Cavs lost to the Keltics.
i think that the Cavs are SOOOOOOOO Overrated its not even funny. We win tonight and CRUSH (or CRUNCH ;) whichever way you wanna look at it) all hopes at a Cavs Title.
And D-Wizzle is coming here next summer!!!!!
When Im in a jam......... I ask myself "WWPD?" (What Would Porcello Do)
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Oct 30, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not confident
about this tilt.
I envision a pounding.
by Eric in Madison on Oct 30, 2009 6:52 PM CDT reply actions
Stream!
game should be shown here!
http://www.atdhe.net/7228/watch-cleveland-cavaliers-vs-minnesota-timberwolves
Ouch
2 nights ago:
Charlotte 59
Boston 92
New York 93
Miami 115
Tonight, through the 1st Quarter:
New York 13
Charlotte 32
J-Flys
gonna go off tonight! 30 points!!!
Lets go Wolves!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When Im in a jam......... I ask myself "WWPD?" (What Would Porcello Do)
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Oct 30, 2009 6:57 PM CDT reply actions
You would think the Cavs would pound us senseless
but I’m thinking it’s early in the season and our young guys could sucker these old farts into running themselves senseless.
And no, I’m not taking any bets but I’m thinking either Wolves by 3 or Cavs by 23.
I will bet you
that you are 100% right on that first score. :)
When Im in a jam......... I ask myself "WWPD?" (What Would Porcello Do)
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Oct 30, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
When I see all these predictions for a Wolves Win I say...
MAYN HOLD UP!
by Son of Gerald Green on Oct 30, 2009 7:07 PM CDT reply actions
LOL
Must be the kool-aid thats making me this way
When Im in a jam......... I ask myself "WWPD?" (What Would Porcello Do)
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Oct 30, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Plus...
…there is free league pass and a game on ESPN tonight. Bulls/Celtics during the commercial breaks with Milwaukee/Sixers, Wiz/Hawks, and Raptors/Griz on the computer.
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the sixers...
…are terrible.
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I agree...I feel for Rodney Carney..
Left here for that crap
What are they trying to do?
I have no idea what direction Philly’s trying to head in. Bad franchise moment, there; they seem completely flat-footed about where to go.
J-FLY!!!!!!!!!!!
When Im in a jam......... I ask myself "WWPD?" (What Would Porcello Do)
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Oct 30, 2009 7:12 PM CDT reply actions
holy crap
flynn with the amazing hesitation
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even with lebron..
…the cavs may be the least athletic team in the league
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Lol
But they got Shaq. :P
When Im in a jam......... I ask myself "WWPD?" (What Would Porcello Do)
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Oct 30, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions
How do you miss a layup D-Wil?
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by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Oct 30, 2009 7:13 PM CDT reply actions
brewer is going to get 10 open shots a game
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+10
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by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Oct 30, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Lets tie it up J-Fizzle
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by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Oct 30, 2009 7:17 PM CDT reply actions
WOW!
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by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Oct 30, 2009 7:18 PM CDT reply actions
why on earth is shaq getting doubled?
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why on god's green earth would you leave lebron for a double on shaq?
wilkins should take a seat for the rest of the game for that bone head move
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0-9 from the frontcourt so far
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Yeah
let’s fire up LeBron a little more by isoing Gomes on him. Pleeeaase.
btw...
..i’ll call it now: gomes doesn’t get an extension.
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i mean..
…his option doesn’t get picked up.
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R u seriously
giving up on Gomes?
He was the most consistent player last year behind AJ. He was a flash of promise in a team that None. Cut him a break and let him get his roll on.
AJ doesnt look tha great either, even if he did come off an injury. But im not gonna give up on him
When Im in a jam......... I ask myself "WWPD?" (What Would Porcello Do)
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Oct 30, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow Hollins looks good
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by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Oct 30, 2009 7:26 PM CDT reply actions
I hope the NBA
is paying attention to this Veetle streaming technology. It’s not HDTV quality but it’s not bad either.
Nice
Zombies dancing on court during timeouts.
It’s nice to see them doing something productive, and not just the usual pub crawls.
the wolves have made up the difference here..
….with a more athletic front court. imagine what howard and garnett/wallace are going to do to the cavs.
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Yup
Kahn nailed it with Hollins. Not that he’s the magic antidote to the Love/Jefferson issue, but he definitely has the right physical profile.
by Rascal Flatts on Oct 30, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
the noah pick still gets me
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anyone else..
…getting the ridiculous brett michaels commercials on fsn?
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btw...
….we finally broke down and bough a big screen tv and i have to say it’s something else in hd. i had no idea.
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i can see...
…why people never want to go back.
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we splurged on the hd package
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we really need to find..
….a stewie picture with a basketball or a cast.
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does tild do sports photoshop?
;)
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by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Oct 30, 2009 7:55 PM CDT reply actions
Yup
gotta get Shaq on the move. Dump the jump hook and get him movin’!
wow..
…a broken al jefferson blew past shaq. how terrible is shaq on defense?
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gomes and wilkins are going to lead the team in negative minutes...
…i call it now.
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Al
The jump hook just isn’t working against guys twice your size! Get them on the move!
J-Flizzle!
When Im in a jam......... I ask myself "WWPD?" (What Would Porcello Do)
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Oct 30, 2009 8:01 PM CDT reply actions
Un-Effing Real!
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by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Oct 30, 2009 8:02 PM CDT reply actions
why make that foul...
…if you’re in the bonus?
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Biggie Smalls!!!!
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by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Oct 30, 2009 8:04 PM CDT reply actions
Is it just me?
Or do you guys notice all the extremely flashy passes by the Cavs?
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by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Oct 30, 2009 8:05 PM CDT reply actions
Hes the King
It’s why you dont see Kobe hardly ever get called.
Because they’re so DAM good the refs just look the other way.
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by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Oct 30, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
if they want to win this game..
…they need to give up on gomes and run with a heavy dose of cardinal, hollins, sessions, and pavlovic in the 2nd half. you can beat this team with athleticism off of lebron.
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First half thoughts
Hollins is much better than I thought. Sessions is really good at running a team – much, much better than Flynn right now. I do not think they are running the triangle with Flynn much. Brewer’s BB IQ is negative. Our defensive rotation is wildly inconsistent – how many uncontested dunks do we give up out of half-court sets? I think our second five beats our starters 7 out of 10 games.
In reference to SnPs points above – I’m on record saying we don’t pick-up Gomes or Stewie, so I agree completely. I think we need to trade Brewer if we pick him up (there is probably value there).
ESPN box score has Love with an assist. Maybe he cut Stewie’s hair before the game.
All right, brain. You don't like me and I don't like you, but let's just do this and I can get back to killing you with beer.
Homer
24 years old
wow. easy to forget, but that dude is gonna be scary in 3 or 4 years.
All right, brain. You don't like me and I don't like you, but let's just do this and I can get back to killing you with beer.
Homer
flynn has 17 but with a -24
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Rambis had it right at halftime
We are playing selfishly. I was just going to post that Jonny needs to get buckets for other people. Glad he’s scoring, but get somebody a bucket!
All right, brain. You don't like me and I don't like you, but let's just do this and I can get back to killing you with beer.
Homer
he needs to learn how to keep the dribble alive in the paint..
….to set other people up. right now all he knows how to do is score. not a terrible thing but holy crap the offense is terrible all-around when he’s out there.
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Yup. Homework for the rest of the game..
See how many seconds left on the shot clock when the first and second pass happen on offense. With Flynn I’m guessing 16 and 12. Sessions 20 and 16. Triangle needs to breath. Flynn isn’t running it – maybe by design.
All right, brain. You don't like me and I don't like you, but let's just do this and I can get back to killing you with beer.
Homer
Holy crap
Some creature ate Jawai, stole his uni, and got on the court! Run .
All right, brain. You don't like me and I don't like you, but let's just do this and I can get back to killing you with beer.
Homer
he is a gigantic human being
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Jawai needs to be a rugby player
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btw....
…if you have league pass on right now, the knicks and bobcats just went into the 2nd overtime
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ok...
….let’s see some sessions + flynn
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Yes!
We’re seeing Jawai + Hollins for some bizarre reason. And Jawai is taking all the damn shots.
All right, brain. You don't like me and I don't like you, but let's just do this and I can get back to killing you with beer.
Homer
note to any team in the nba..
….if you have 2 athletic players above 6’10" you will beat the cavs.
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Jordan's statue..
…is more mobile than the Cavs when Z and Shaq are on the court together.
All right, brain. You don't like me and I don't like you, but let's just do this and I can get back to killing you with beer.
Homer
speaking of mj..
…he’s courtside right now in the bobcats game. watching raymond felton go down with an apparent knee injury.
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maybe not the knee...
…but definitely lower leg
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Wow.
Jordan is in Charlotte? I hope he is okay. He didn’t sign an extension did he? That would be a giant truckload of suck for Felton if he is seriously hurt.
All right, brain. You don't like me and I don't like you, but let's just do this and I can get back to killing you with beer.
Homer
ok...
…felton pulled a paul pierce…he’s back on the court after looking like he needed to be carted to the hospital.
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The howling..
…they still do that? I hated that 20 years ago. I cannot believe it still happens.
All right, brain. You don't like me and I don't like you, but let's just do this and I can get back to killing you with beer.
Homer
Jawai prompted a conversation
…between me and a buddy about the fattest NBA player. Oliver “Pig” Miller is winning.
And ANOTHER ...
..Sessions drive with him getting hammered for no call. Come on guys, NBA players don’t just land on their butt after a missed lay-up. Corey Brewer excluded of course.
All right, brain. You don't like me and I don't like you, but let's just do this and I can get back to killing you with beer.
Homer
Tony Parker
has ruined it for anyone getting fouled on the way to the hoop.
Jonny's probably about to come back in soon
Think he’s getting 10 FT’s and 3 layups in the 4th tonight? Yeah. Me neither.
All right, brain. You don't like me and I don't like you, but let's just do this and I can get back to killing you with beer.
Homer
I know this may come as a surprise to the wolves...
…but boobie gibson can make 3s.
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Our rotations have been crap all night
Sure the Cavs are good, but their offense is terrible. The wing players – Sasha, Flynn, and Corey in particular – have been slow all night.
All right, brain. You don't like me and I don't like you, but let's just do this and I can get back to killing you with beer.
Homer
When we picked Corey..
..I was very happy. Thought it was the right call. Now I would trade him for McCants. No explanation, but these 2 games have turned me against him. Such a good kid. So many tools. Such a disaster.
All right, brain. You don't like me and I don't like you, but let's just do this and I can get back to killing you with beer.
Homer
-25 in 20 minutes...
….will get you a seat on the bench.
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Wow
Gerald Wilkins looks really, really old. I guess he is, though.
Wasn’t he considered Jordan’s cryptonite for a while?
used to be in the dunk contest....
…and look like adrian peterson:
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He's only at 24/9/5
Can’t win MVP with those numbers.
All right, brain. You don't like me and I don't like you, but let's just do this and I can get back to killing you with beer.
Homer
1 more rebound...
….and 4 more assists for the stat stuffer line. watch him pass like magic from here on out.
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You can't be MVP
if you miss half the season because you hurt yourself in a game you led by 20 in the 4th quarter.
True, but ..
…risk of injury per minute is tiny. And they took him out. And I was being pithy :)
All right, brain. You don't like me and I don't like you, but let's just do this and I can get back to killing you with beer.
Homer
Coby Karl
Ouch. This generation’s human victory cigar. If you are guarding Coby Karl you lose.
All right, brain. You don't like me and I don't like you, but let's just do this and I can get back to killing you with beer.
Homer
Well Pecherov somehow
…miraculously had a rebound fall into his lap. So he promptly, of course, immediately took another shot..
3 Straight times down the court no one else touched the ball
…except Flynn. 1 missed FG, 2 TOs
Ha!
Five TOs for Jonny – I think all off the dribble – he definitely got picked at least twice and one travel. Not good.
All right, brain. You don't like me and I don't like you, but let's just do this and I can get back to killing you with beer.
Homer
Well so much for the Wolves winning!
This is pathetic…we can’t score against there scrubs.
Defense is HORRIBLE.
Flynn wasn’t facilitating ANYTHING on offense; just putting his head down and driving. Brewer is erratic, and certainly not a vocal leader. Jefferson only wants to play offense.
I don't know if Jefferson doesn't wan't to play D..
I think the injury is still lingering.
Hmmm. PG minutes?
ESPN box has Jonny at 25 and Ramon at 21. This must be wrong.
All right, brain. You don't like me and I don't like you, but let's just do this and I can get back to killing you with beer.
Homer
Much like when Baxter Ate the Whole Wheel of Cheese in Anchorman
-23 For Flynn? That surpasses bad basketball and almost inspires awe. -23? Wow
by Son of Gerald Green on Oct 30, 2009 9:27 PM CDT reply actions
Well..
..they lost by 17 and he played 26 minutes, mostly with LBJ on the court. Not saying its good, but when you lose by 17 a few guys are going to have atrocious +/-. Kinda how it works.
All right, brain. You don't like me and I don't like you, but let's just do this and I can get back to killing you with beer.
Homer
Noah
just posted 16 points on 10 shots, 10 rebs (6 offensive), 4 assists, a couple blocks in just 28 minutes. And posted a -36.
All right, brain. You don't like me and I don't like you, but let's just do this and I can get back to killing you with beer.
Homer
Anthony Parker
has 6 points from 2/7 shooting and was +23
That statistic has very definite limitations.
Judd: "...I've since watched some Steven Seagal movies and I realise that pressure points are no laughing matter.".
Small sample size can destroy almost any stat
Still, there are times where I really like +/-. Like when convincing myself that it’s ok to have Brian Cardinal on the floor.
thanks CaliWolf!
..they lost by 17 and he played 26 minutes, mostly with LBJ on the court. Not saying its good, but when you lose by 17 a few guys are going to have atrocious +/-. Kinda how it works.
Thanks for the breakdown. I feel somewhat smarter by learning “how it works”. I guess I was just doing a little shtick to make myself feel better after the loss
by Son of Gerald Green on Oct 30, 2009 9:56 PM CDT reply actions
Few Post Game Thoughts
1. Earlier today- I was denounced for suggesting that trading Al for a Rangy, Defensive Oriented Big was a bad idea. Well Anderson Varejao led the Cavs with a Plus 26 tonight. He showed some off some terrific passing and wonderful Defense- I still stand by my early sentiments.
2. Why no Sessions with Flynn? Why? Why? Is it really because Damien Wilkins needs Burn?
3. The one positive is the team effort on the boards.
4. We’re a hideous shooting team.
1. Kind of agreed, although I’d love to see him paired with one instead of traded for one (unless its for a legit Camby in his prime type defensive big).
2. Exactly. Why not try in a game like this if Sessions wants to run it and Flynn wants to score it?
3. Impressive.
4. Impressive, but in an all together different way.
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
by biggity2bit on Oct 31, 2009 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions
He plays with LBJ. All he has to do is flop, move the ball and hit the open layups LBJ spoon feeds him, all things he’s very good at. Put him on this team without Al and he’s going to look terrible. The situations are not analogous. You can’t just say that because he’s a good +/- guy on the Cavs that he’d be great on a team here that has no #1, let alone the best player in the league.
When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story.
For the other points:
2. I have no idea. I don’t understand this, especially if Flynn is going to do his Nate Robinson impression and eschew running an offense.
3. Yeah, hopefully this will continue as Al gets healthier and we get Love back. We will need to absolutely hammer teams on the boards to be competitive.
4. This isn’t likely to change a whole lot, though you have to think Ellington is going to start knocking down some jumpers, which will help.
When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story.
Hey, everyone:
This was a game against one of the top 3 teams in the league, 0-2 start be damned.
I think we would all benefit by making literally no — not a single one - definitive statements about the team after this game. Of course Flynn was going to have a terrible +/. Of course we were going to look bad. Do not worry about it. Hold your judgements for when we get blown out by a bad team.
Thank you, and good night.
Isn't that a funny flavor for a chewing gum?
Or a fancy way to say “spit it out”?
Remarkable the things I learn on this board…
Agree
I actually thought the effort was solid. We played a vastly superior team, albeit one that was vulnerable. This is going to be the norm for many a game, especially throughout the first 1/3 of the season.
by Rascal Flatts on Oct 31, 2009 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions
The effort was great, but we’re just way too short on talent, right now. Jefferson doesn’t look like himself, and Love isn’t in the lineup. A lottobound team that’s basically missing its two best players shouldn’t compete with a title contender.
Brewer played a good game, no matter how you slice it. He came up with his usual 4-6 loose balls, and actually shot a pretty good percentage. Let’s hope that continues.
Hollins is going to get big minutes, this year. He’s big, active and apparently can knock down a 15-footer.
Ellington needs to shoot with a little more confidence. He’s got a really smooth stroke and clearly is going to be a money shooter in the NBA. It’s just not going to happen until he feels comfortable shooting every time he’s left open. He seems a little worried, right now.
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