Phoenix: Home of the YMCA White Guy Move (AKA Game Thread #3)
by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 1, 2009 7:00 PM CST
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PrintMinnesota Timberwolves at Phoenix Suns, Nov 1, 2009 7:00 PM CST
It's Steve Nash time folks. Hopefully some of his facilitation skills rub off on Jonny Flynn on the first road trip of the year. Jonny can put the ball in the bucket but the whole passing thing is another question altogether.
The Suns are 2-0 and they have been entertaining in each contest. Here's hoping that trend continues tonight. Here are your links for the night:
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Great Day for MN Sports
Gopher Hockey Wins..Gopher Football won last night..FAVRE beats his former team IN LAMBEAU…NOW LETS GO WOLVES!
Stewie is starting
Not sure how i feel about that. Guarding Amare? Ouch.
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Homer
Here's the calculation
Take the number of minutes Stewie plays and subtract 2.5 to get the range of shots he’ll take (so if he plays 15 minutes, he’ll attempt 12-13 shots). To determine how much Amare will score, add 10 points to Stewie’s point total.
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
Here's the calculation
Take the number of minutes Stewie plays and subtract 2.5 to get the range of shots he’ll take (so if he plays 15 minutes, he’ll attempt 12-13 shots). To determine how much Amare will score, add 10 points to Stewie’s point total.
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
A pretty clear statement
about the talent level on this squad. When you find yourself asking: Pecherov or Damien Wilkens, there is no right answer.
by Eric in Madison on Nov 1, 2009 7:12 PM CST up reply actions
he always plays well against phoenix
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Flynn with his first real pass in 2 games
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Exactly
I was trying to think if he’d gotten anybody an oop or lay-up before that. Course, 2 dumb fouls later and he sits.
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Homer
not unless you have a bench cam right now
;)
try atdhe.net
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yeah i found it
thanks
CUBS WIN CUBS WIN CUBS WIN
by GarlicFryCubFan on Nov 1, 2009 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
League Pass is free right now (tv and broadband)
Just in case anybody wasn’t aware.
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If any team would get Al back on track, it'd be Phoenix
3-4 already. The Suns can never figure him out
You mean Stoudemire can never figure him out. He is terrible.
by Rascal Flatts on Nov 1, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
he..
….really doesn’t have a clue on the defensive end of the court.
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Flynn/Sessions
Anything to read into Jonny getting pulled so early?
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
Man, Stewie has no court awareness at ALL
Watching him the last couple games, it seems pretty apparent that this is why he can’t play defense….he never seems to know where anyone is on the defensive end of the court
j- pete...
…has given some really good insight on pick and rolls this year.
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I want to see Flynn, Sessions, Brewer, and Hollins all on the floor sometime tonight
They want to run, let’s run =D
This going to be a good game for Corey
He’s getting to the rim, his jumper is on, and he’ll spend most of the night on Barbosa’s, who’s a good 6 inches shorter than him.
Corey seeing dollar signs
He’s done 9 good things and maybe 1 bad.
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Homer
i think we're seeing...
…what brewer could be with the shot falling. he’ll never have a shortage of open shots.
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he's a starter with a 43-45% fg%
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Who's should be more upset?
at how their team is playing/played: Phoenix fans or Green Bay fans?
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
i heard there was a vikings game today
;)
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buffalo bills fans.
we suck.
CUBS WIN CUBS WIN CUBS WIN
by GarlicFryCubFan on Nov 1, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
Greetings all
Any word on the team options? Has Brewer been picked up?
Judd: "...I've since watched some Steven Seagal movies and I realise that pressure points are no laughing matter.".
by Auswolf on Nov 1, 2009 7:29 PM CST via mobile reply actions
i haven't received any press releases yet
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BTW:
How fun is it to watch this style of basketball?
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It's fun,
but no one has figured out how to win a title doing this.
by Rascal Flatts on Nov 1, 2009 7:34 PM CST up reply actions
i don't know if that's true..
…check out the ppg scores from the top teams in the 80s. it hasn’t happened in a while and the league has changed, but there used to be a lot more scoring. i think it can still be done and that this is where the league is heading.
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Going too fast to post
And I’d be happier if they could get the D together a bit. but fun, yes
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Homer
It must be nice
to be able to make 3 pointers.
If Dragic gets some burn..
…with Nash or Barbosa, how about Flynn/Sessions? Flynn has GOT to be able to guard that guy.
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Homer
Yikes
what a lineup to start the 2nd for our squad. That’s not exactly prime quality.
Link
Anybody got a link to the game the atdhe 1 aint working anymore
Today in knee-jerk reactions: Cardinal (-8)
What a terrible player. I want more WILKI… /gets shot
You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Nov 1, 2009 7:41 PM CST reply actions
i think al has peripheral vision issues..
…..ellington was WIDE open and he didn’t see him. it’s unbelievable how he misses guys along the perimeter.
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The Wolves
seem remarkably un-turnover prone in the early going this season. Surprising given the all new roster and youth.
how can al not pass the ball there?
ugly
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He killed Pavs
I think he got 2 And 1s off him.
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Homer
well
I guess hat tip to Hill then. Guy could’ve been all time great player had he not lost those seasons to injury.
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
I think Rambis called that iso for Wayne
Odd. It seemed like he called out ‘Wayne’ right before the inbounds pass. I guess good for the rook.
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Made a nice initial move but couldn't quite finish with the left hand
Ellington shows flashes of being a better all around player than I originally thought. I like his intensity on defense too. Wouldn’t it be nice if we for once ended up with a late-round talent?
by Rascal Flatts on Nov 1, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
Interesting halftime report here
Kahn obviously was hedging his bets right from the start, assuming Rubio would stay in Spain.
And James Johnson was the guy we were holding out for at #18
I had thought it was Earl Clark or Austin Daye
What was said? League Pass blacks out local stuff.
thx
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Homer
They showed that?
Can anybody post a link to it on this site (or maybe a recap of it)? That sounds really interesting.
Basically that Kahn knew the minute we took Rubio that there was a good chance he wouldn’t be here this year. He said “Rubio for the future, Jonny for right now”, and it showed the clip where he told the staff to tell everyone that we weren’t trading either of them.
Then he named James Johnson as the guy the wait on for the #18 pick, otherwise trade it.
Cool. Thanks.
So the plan was probably 1,2,3 back-up 2 in Flynn, Evans, Johnson, Ellington. With Love, Al, and Hollins that might have been quite the team next year.
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Homer
Evans/Harden
I guess
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This is kind of irritating to me. Why trot out that BS that they would play together like Jordan and Paxson then? Why not just tell us that?
“Rubio won’t come this year. Jonny will be our point guard, and in two years, we will make a decision on which to keep and trade the other.”
Boom. No summer of annoying Rubio coverage, and the national media would have understood it much better. I bet Kahn would’ve been praised for his long-term patient vision, rather than called a kook.
Well he *did* say they'd play together...
On the video, he initially basically said, “Rubio’s available and I never thought he would be… we’re taking him, understanding the buyout might be a problem…. and taking Jonny Flynn is not a knock on him…they can play together.”
I definitely did not get “Rubio for the future, Flynn for now” from that segment.
it still amazes me that..
….the reporting of that time couldn’t figure out what kahn did from the get go. it was a math problem from the beginning and that video shows it.
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Simmons *still* doesn't get it...
and uses every opportunity to take a cheap shot at Kahn/the Wolves for not making it work… even though it was a hugh obstacle from the start.
He’s bitter because he didn’t get considered for the GM job. Before they drafted Rubio, he wrote something about how he didn’t want the job anymore, because they “lied” publicly about the number of e-mails sent to the Wolves supporting him.
You tell ’em, Bill… Embarrassing. Very petulant for a professional sports writer.
Oh come on.
No offense, but the GM thing was a joke the entire time. 100% joke. The joke was we were so messed up he might actually get the job, which would be the most absurd thing ever, but still if he acted serious about it people would start to take it seriously, thereby revealing how messed up we were.
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Homer
I'm not so sure.
This was like the third team he’s campaigned to be the GM for, always with the same logic (“What is Team X going to do to make themselves relevant?” Well, maybe… get good?)
He’s written that it’s his dream to be a GM someday. We may disagree, but I think the guy’s got such an ego that he really thinks he should get a shot at it, and now of course he can act like it was all a joke as he gets his revenge by criticizing Kahn to people who don’t know better.
Either that, or he’s honestly dumb enough to believe all the things he says about Rubio and Flynn…
i thought the gm thing...
..was a joke at first but near the end i moved closer to thinking he believes he could do it…which is crazy. it’s a funny joke, but i think he took it seriously near the end.
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I think it was more like....
..it was taking so long it was just starting to get absurd, so why the hell not? But, at its core the joke is the same – we can’t do anything right, so much so a guy who couldn’t run a DivIII team is being taken seriously by the fans. I am sure he got tons of email, which only feeds into it. But at the core, the joke is the same – we were SO messed up our fans were begging for him. Joke is on us and the more complaints we send his way about how wrong he is the more he prods. It keeps us reading and involved. And that is his job.
At least that was my take.
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His job is to entertain
He may want to be a GM, so do I. Unfortunately, he’s a writer. Like every national guy, they make a case for something, they make their take, and trot it out over and over becuase they are 1) expected to entertain, 2) they are expected to have an opinion about EVERYTHING and thus can’t spend 1/10th the time you and I have thinking about it. Just the way it works. And, you’ll notice him always prodding Lakers just to laugh at all the outraged emails he gets. Same thing.
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Point taken on the "entertainer" thing
I get that B.S. is really a sports “personality”…but I don’t think his criticism of the Wolves/Kahn and the Rubio situation is analogous to his joyful hatred of the Lakers. He says all the time how much he respects Kobe and the Lakers but, as a sports fan in general and a Celtic fan in particular, he just loves to hate the team and make them a villian.
The Wolves, on the other hand, are an easy target b/c they’ve been hapless and squandered KG’s prime…
He criticizes the Lakers because they’re the Lakers. He uses his bit about the Wolves and Rubio as proof that the club and FO are still dysfunctional f-ups.
Maybe
But we haven’t proven much yet. He does love Big Al, he gushes over Love, he said Sessions would be a steal for somebody, and if Flynn gets some rookie hype (and we win a few games). He’ll come around. He loves the Thunder and they stink about as much.
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Flynn's been in foul trouble..
But anybody else think he’s looked much better as a facilitator tonight so far? There’s been at least a couple really nice, one-touch passes to open shooters on the wing.
What’s with all the standing around on offense? Makes it really easy for the Suns to play defense.
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
So do I
That’s why I think either Al, Love, or both will be traded within a couple years.
Know who would work really well with this team? Chris Bosh
Corey's definitely making a case for his option to be picked up
I can’t imagine Kahn won’t pick it up after a game like this
As a player yes...
..as a contract no. Unforunately for him the nearly $5M he would earn in 2012/13 makes him hard to pick up for us and hard to trade if we do. But, I don’t think we need to decide on Gomes until Summer.
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Gomes is playing the 3 tonight
That’s where he’s at his best and where he’ll be the most productive. We get ourselves into trouble trying to use him as a power forward
he's on the books for too much money...
…i don’t think it will matter much what he does this year.
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After a nice start
Jefferson has been just horrific.
His legs just aren’t there…. He looked good in the 1st but he keeps short arming everything and has just been a step slow everywhere
26 minutes for Al already
Only 25 each in the first 2 games.
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he jumped 7 feet..
…in the high jump in college. with a 7+ wingspan and a huge standing reach, that’s insane.
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Channing Frye showing why I wanted us to sign him for the last two years
Think of how well he’d compliment Jefferson
What can you do?
There are people closing out. Ridiculous shooting.
When Channing Frye drops
6 threes on you, it probably isn’t your night.
He was 6-7 in Phoenix’s last game.
He’s always had the ability. The Knicks and Blazers just never utilized it.
Still absurd though
Nobody has the ability to go 6 for 7 then 6 for 10 on a consistent basis. If we catch him on his next 1 for 8 it’s a different game, obviosuly. Dude is just a buzz saw right now. Killing me.
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Homer
awesome..
….free throw airball.
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Al is leading us in assists right now
Nice to see his passing game taking shape, but I’m concerned that Flynn and Sessions aren’t facilitating so far this year. Nash has almost double the assists as Jonny and Ramon combined.
I think the triangle Al to kick it out some
he actually should have more assists
by Rascal Flatts on Nov 1, 2009 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
You would think one of our point guards would manage more assists than the center though...
Wouldn’t you? I mean, no one has more than 3 assists in ay game we’ve played this year so far.
Normally yes,
but the triangle often means the guy on the elbow delivers the last pass prior to a shot
by Rascal Flatts on Nov 1, 2009 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
But that formula usually requires a strong distributing wing player
Scottie Pippen, Kobe, Ron Artest, etc.
51 assists on 106 baskets
Not too bad. We just are hitting shots, layups, etc. Can’t assist a miss
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Homer
Sessions - Flynn?
comeback!
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two minutes
-1
Flynn with a TO and not the right choice in a 23 foot miss.
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7 point game?
I’ll give them credit for that even in a loss. I really like this team (compared to last year’s).
al jefferson...
…is a gigantic black hole.
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He is tied for leading us in assists still
It’s not so much that he doesn’t pass the ball, he just slows us down so much
Argh
a coupe late TOs, and a couple MORE 3s from the Suns. Painful.
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sessions..
….has been hammered on a few drives tonight with no calls.
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al jefferson..
…with 23 shots
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most of them with zero rhythm in the offense
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I think he ended something like 3-15, maybe 4-15
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I meant...
…after he started something like 6 for 8, he went 3 or 15. Terribly worded on my part. Ugly in any case :) But really ugly after the first burst.
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It was
I’d say 3 for 3 in terms of effort. Of course, it’s still early! In mid-December when we’ve won only 5 games or so, it may be tough to muster the energy to go out and compete.
by Rascal Flatts on Nov 1, 2009 9:29 PM CST up reply actions
Interesting to see Sessions getting the minutes down the stretch tonight rather than Flynn. I really hope Flynn’s not getting in Rambis’ dog house…
I'm OK with yanking the leash now and again, provided
it doesn’t cause whiplash. Hopefully he gives him a nice run in the next game.
by Rascal Flatts on Nov 1, 2009 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
He has definitely just tossed up a few
20+ footers out of the blue. This will get him yanked every so often – making them or not.
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Flynn is just shooting a lot at times when he should be looking to create a passing opportunity
He did the same thing against Cleavland.
I'm hoping to see a lot more of Hollins tomorrow
Put him in the starting lineup opposite of Camby. Bench Stewie and his no-defense game.
Looking over the team stats...
we outplayed the Suns in everything but blocks and, here’s no surprise, shooting %. We played a good game tonight, but when your opponent drops 14 3pters on you (6 by Frye?? Seriously???), what can you do? Gomes played a damn good game, which leads me to believe that he will be gone by the trade deadline. Big Oily needs to go. Flynn is a rook and needs time to learn the pro game. Big Al needs his legs back (and may not be a very good fit with this offense). Can’t wait for K-Love to return. Having said all that (probably too much, huh?), I agree with LoveTo, TMiss and Oceanary – this team is a lot more fun to watch.
Fun game tonight. About what you’d expect from a young team learning a new system and new players. It was great to watch at times, but also terrible at times, and disjointed for the rest. The Wolves had to settle for plenty of crap shots where no one could create anything within the flow of the offense, and no one was really willing to step up and be the man, as well as times (too many times) when Al decided he’d step up. On the flip side, there were times when things were clicking and we were knocking down our shots, and we keyed our offense off our ability to create turnovers and scrap on D and on the boards, something that seems to be becoming a trait for these guys. Flynn and Sessions got some burn together, and from what I recall things ran pretty well for that time.
That said, it’s hard not to watch and wonder a few things:
1. Will Al learn to embrace ball movement? He can’t keep slowing down plays that often and that early in the clock. If he’s going to miss easy passes, he needs to cut down on the play kiling 1 on 1’s. Play within the offense and go 1 on 1 when the play breaks down or he’s got an easy matchup. I’m not going to call for his head without seeing how he looks with his legs back, but watching him out there has kind of sewn the seed of doubt in my mind how well he fits where this team is going.
2. How good would this team look with a legit big wing player who could consistently do something with the ball after catching it that doesn’t involve dribbling off his feet or throwing a layup 2 feet above the square. Brewer is looking OK, but we still need a big, more consistent shot-creator out there, preferably one who can hit from midrange and play D. I plan on watching as much Evan Turner as possible next year.
When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story.
completely agreed...
….about the seed of doubt with al. also, this system is tailor-made for rudy gay.
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On the good side of the ledger...
..we’re 3rd in the league so far in Offensive Rebound Rate, and 6th in the league in Turnover Ratio. This without Love and with 2 rookie guards getting solid minutes.
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Homer
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