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Last night I was able to watch part of the game against the Blazers, and I came to a few conclusions that I'm wondering if anyone else came to. Please weigh in with your thoughts, opinions, observations, and frustrations. I think we as fans, as well as this team, need to hit rock bottom before we'll turn the corner.

My three observations after the jump.

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First, why we're getting beat. On paper and on the court this team is getting beat because teams are out-executing us and out-talenting us. I'm not sure if I completely buy that. Yes, we have some talent deficiencies and yes, our guys are still learning offensive and defensive schemes. But this team has also built double digit leads against just about every team we've played so far, and came this close to beating Boston. I think, more than talent and scheme, the Twolves are on the wrong side of the confidence spectrum. The last few games our confidence has sucked, and the other team's confidence has soared to the point that I saw LMA attempt to drive to the basket and throw up a duck and it goes in. I saw Oden look like the second coming of Shaq throwing down dunks. I saw Pryz look like Camby blocking shots. I've seen guys who appear to take threes with a "what the hell, why not?" look on their face because, lo and behold, they all go in! Our guys don't believe their shots will fall, and the other team does.

Second, competitive fire. One thing I love seeing is how much some of the guys are talking to each other. Many times last night it looked like our hometown squad was learning how to play basketball for the first time, and guys were trying to coordinate roles and assignments on offense and defense. I love it. Certainly beats the alternative. However, is it just me or does it look like the fringe players want it more than the starters? Maybe it's just the portions I saw, but guys like Jawai and Hollins-despite their mistakes and lack of experience-play like it's all on the line. Brewer obviously does. But maybe this is where Rambis is talking about a lack of veteran leadership. Where is Al? Where is Gomes? Where is the guy, besides Brewer, who is going out there (especially on defense where I think a lot of the tone of this team actually gets set as the cutting and movement of the triangle doesn't lend itself to a 'daggering' offensive identity from one player, at least not yet), and giving it his all every minute he plays? Sometimes you're going to get blown out and your team defense is going to be dysfunctional, but I know for me, when I play, at some point I get mad and make the commitment to myself that I'm tired of getting beat, and I'm going to out hustle and out work whoever I'm guarding, even if they're bigger, stronger, or faster than me. This brings me to my last observation.

 

Heart. I was pleased to read Al's comments this morning. Suggests to me that the players are buying into Rambis' system and understand that this is a process to make them all better basketball players. If this approach works, I think once the light goes on it will be sustainable, not just a January flash in the pan. But the only way to get there from here is to work through these dark periods. Do these players have it in them? I guess what I'm saying, and I'm hoping part of what we're seeing is Rambis giving them the opportunity to really learn this lesson (among a number of lessons), is at the end of the day is someone going to stand up and play like it's playground ball again and refuse to let the Oden's and whoever else's of the NBA dunk on them with sh*t eating grins on their faces every time? I remember loving to watch Terry Porter play for us because he'd get the scowl on his face and get mean sometimes when he understood that either the other team is punching you and either you punch back or you roll over. I'm not condoning violence or stupidity on the court, but the value of some technicals because of hard defense might go a long way towards reminding our squad who they are, because I don't buy that all of these guys are as bad as they look.

 

If I had to break these three components of losing down, I'd say that around 50-60% is confidence (both for us and the other team's when facing us), with the rest equally split between the other two, with maybe a slight edge given to heart. Hopefully Love's return will inject this team with some much needed attitude and grittiness. Brewer's on an island out there. Al needs to learn to take himself out for the betterment of the team when he's getting physically beat out there. Flynn and Ramon need to learn to take control a bit more, that they are the leaders as well as facilitators. All of our guys need to start hanging out with Laimbeer in hopes that a bit of his aura rubs off on them.

 

What do y'all think? A fair assessment? I want to know what other people are seeing, beyond just the X's and O's, when they watch this team.

Poll
Do you think we've seen everything from Rambis' schemes yet? Specifically, do you think he's not allowing players to do certain things in order to teach them valuable lessons down the road? Do you think if he coached to their talents that we'd have won mo
Rambis is deviously brilliant, but it will take time to see it all click. When it does, watch out!
11 votes
Rambis is flying by the seat of his pants, barely holding on to this ship.
2 votes
The product on the court is the result of too many chefs in the kitchen amongst the coaching staff.
3 votes
If Rambis pulled a McHale and coached to player strengths only, we'd have won more now but with lower potential later.
23 votes
I believe the triangle only works when you have Jordan or Kobe.
6 votes

45 votes | Poll has closed

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I couldn't disagree with you more

Not to say there isn’t a lack of confidence—why would you be confident when you are 1-8 and getting blown out every night? But I don’t think there is a real lack of effort or heart.

What there is is a lack of talent. This team can’t shoot, is undersized, and lacks quicks. They’re small, but they’re slow!

When you can’t get consistently good shots, and you can’t make them anyway, and the other guys are bigger and more skilled than you, it can look like a lack of effort and heart, but really, you’re just getting beat. Because the other guys are better than you, and they want to win too. Trying hard is great, and I think they mostly do try hard. Setting a tone is hard when the other guys are better than you. Brewer looks like he’s efforting, and I’m sure he is, but I think the other guys are too, it’s just he has the dirt on the jersey style. He’s also shooting 36%. The tone he sets is, I can’t shoot.

When you are running Brewer, Pecherov, Gomes, Wilkins, Pavlovic, and Jawai (et al) out there for real minutes, the problem isn’t heart, or confidence, or effort, it’s talent. When your best player is a shell of himself because of injury (hopefully), and your 2nd best guy is out, and you weren’t going to be very good anyway, you have a talent problem. Let’s not pretend here; things will hopefully get somewhat better when Love returns and Jefferson regains his legs (hopefully), but the overriding issue is the talent deficit.

You hear this from players and coaches all the time when they lose: our effort wasn’t there, we didn’t work hard enough, etc. That’s natural; everyone wants to think they are in control of their own destiny. The reality is, sometimes your just bad. Bad to the point that leaving every ounce of effort on the floor isn’t going to change the results.

by Eric in Madison on Nov 12, 2009 10:09 AM CST reply actions  

Thanks for the comment

re: the confidence thing. The observation I was trying to get at, and I don’t think I did all the great a job of highlighting it, is that I think other teams are oozing confidence when playing us. Where I’m coming from is all these ridiculous shots going in that normally would convert at much lower percentages. Kind of a chicken and egg thing-am attributing this ‘luck’ to confidence, or are they confident because of the luck? Either way it sucks for us.

I’m also glad to hear that you think our hometown squad is playing hard. I guess I look at Al as being the de facto leader on this team, and he must not be anywhere near 100% or even 80% because he just gets worked over sometimes. At one point Oden was eating him up last night and Jawai subbed in and suddenly Oden was having a tougher time of it. I was giving in to temptation and interpreted that as lack of heart or fight on Al’s part, but perhaps you are correct and he’s simply playing at 65-75%.

I will also say that I agree with you on the talent thing, although I didn’t necessarily want to send the conversation in that direction because we’re pretty much stuck with the hand DK dealt us right now. Watching the recent games I kept asking myself, ‘how many actual starters do you see playing as Wolves right now?’ The answer was not many. Maybe two, three. Otherwise this looks like, and has been performing like, a team full of role players and bench players. If I had to select the guys who I thought deserved to be starters, I’d say we have 1.75-2.25 starters on this team: Flynn, Sessions, and Brewer. All look good sometimes, all show potential sometimes, and all look exposed sometimes. Al will be once he’s healthy, but he needs to be protected right now and we don’t have the players to do that.

Question-do you really think we’re as bad as we’ve seen over the last few games? And do you think there has been equal effort at learning and executing the defensive schemes as there has been on offense?

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Nov 12, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Well

No, they aren’t this bad, nobody is. They aren’t going to lose by 20+ every night, this has been a particularly brutal stretch.

I dunno. It’s possible that you are right in that teams are making more than their share of shots against the Wolves. Don’t know if I would use the word confidence or if it’s just randomness, but teams are shooting 40%+ from 3 against them, and opponents have taken the 3rd most in league. This is probably both a function of the Wolves defense and also some bad luck.

I appreciate that going over the talent deficit isn’t particularly useful—we’ve already done it and will do it again, no doubt. I just think that sometimes its that simple. And I do think the effort is there, generally. Al is really struggling physically.

by Eric in Madison on Nov 12, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

I for one hope you are right

I would rather see my favorite franchise losing because they don’t have talent than losing because they don’t care. Once the latter starts happening, you start heading down the path of the Clippers and the Grizzlies. As long as the effort is there, I think the talent will come. You can’t just bring in Baron Davis and Marcus Camby and expect to win 30 more games.

by Mplax on Nov 13, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I haven't seen any of the games

I count on you guys and those at T-Wolves central for the view of the games, but based on what I’m reading about the players, I don’t think it’s a confidence or hard work issue. I think Al was quoted in the column this AM that they are still trying to get the kinks out. I know with this young team and the fact that this is (mostly) thier first year together, there is so much that needs to come together. Of course, talent is an easy issue here, but I think we are more athletic than we have been the past two years. How many of these guys will be playing on the Wolves in two years? Maybe four or five.

I know it is going to be a long year, and a close loss to Boston followed by a 40pt blow out to GS doesn’t make me happy, but I understand, we aren’t really half way to the team that Ramb-Kahn envisions. At least I hope not. Meanwhile, we as fans can celebrate small victories and try to keep the team spirit up by supporting them as much as we can.

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by frankenhoops on Nov 12, 2009 11:09 AM CST reply actions  

Rambis kind of addresses this issue

Check it out here.

The gist of it is that Rambis, and the players, know that they have to battle through it. This quote from Rambis intrigued me:

Certain players are emerging to step up and say more in huddles, timeouts, in the locker room and in film sessions. Guys tend to respond more with these things when it comes from their peers. It hits home a little more.

I would love to know who those players are. Anyone have any idea?

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Nov 13, 2009 8:47 AM CST reply actions  

Not a clue

I would like to say one of our better players…but leadership isn’t mutually exclusive with talent. Maybe Pavlovic, Flynn might be trying (that’s just his personality), could be anyone at this point. I would love to see stewie be an emotional leader of this team. His reactions during the Boston game were awesome. Really pumped up his teammates.

by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 13, 2009 9:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Anyone else notice

that Stewie kinda dropped off the map a little bit right around the time that it came out that we didn’t pick up his option?

by Mplax on Nov 13, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I think they wanted

to be able to have additional influence over his shot selections. By not picking up his option, if he wants PT and another deal he has to play the way rambis wants. His really good game came after they didn’t pick up the option, but he hasn’t gotten a lot of PT after that. My guess is he started chucking up shots to prove how much he could score. During the BOS game, they just went in and because they were going in Rambis didn’t yank him out. But after that game he had put up some shots that he shouldn’t have and as a result, isn’t getting the PT.

by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 13, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Fair enough

I was just guessing at the time frames, couldn’t really remember. But I do think we will be seeing a lot more of him in the next two games with Big Al out.

by Mplax on Nov 13, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

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