GameThread 13: @ Portland
by wyn on Nov 21, 2009 8:00 PM CST
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Minnesota Timberwolves at Portland Trail Blazers, Nov 21, 2009 9:00 PM CST
Oddly, tonight is already the 3rd meeting between the Wolves and Blazers this season. Both previous engagements ended in 23-point losses for the Wolves. Now, they're 1-11. One and eleven. 1 win. Eleven losses. The Blazers, on the other hand, are 9-5. They are, though, a few years ahead of the Wolves in rebuilding (at least for this latest round of Wolves rebuilding).
Kevin Love will get no homecoming yet. The examination earlier this week indicated his fractured hand will need another 2-3 weeks to heal.
Unfortunately we won't get a look at Travis Outlaw, the type of slashing 3 Kahn has expressed interest in. Outlaw has a stress fracture in his foot and there's no timetable for his return. Nicolas Batum is out as well with a shoulder injury.
Blazers Edge is our friend.
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keep your paws off Outlaw
he ain’t goin’ nowheres
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
by bow4meow on Nov 21, 2009 8:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Game Stream
by TonyO on Nov 21, 2009 8:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Happy stubble tonight
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
by Norsktroll on Nov 21, 2009 8:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hollins with 2 fouls in 4 minutes
Typical….
by Oceanary on Nov 21, 2009 9:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Channel 45's Experiencing Technical Difficulties UGH
by TonyO on Nov 21, 2009 9:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why couldn't the blazer announcers
have been the ones to mock Iranians so we didn’t have to listen to them.
by Menyun on Nov 21, 2009 9:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gomes is getting worse this year...
Definitely not coming back next year
by Oceanary on Nov 21, 2009 9:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
can someone please explain how
with Rambis and Wohl on the coaching staff, our perimeter defense is so awful? i have never seen so many wide open 3s as our opponents have been getting lately.
by BVP on Nov 21, 2009 9:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
They aren't on the same page
All 3 TOs were passes that the guy being passed to wasn’t expecting.
Because there are no fours.
Toine
by CaliWolf on Nov 21, 2009 9:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Third TO for Flynn
All on passes on the right side.
Because there are no fours.
Toine
by CaliWolf on Nov 21, 2009 9:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gopher Football loses..Gopher Hockey gets Swept by UMD and the Wolves will more than likely Lose..UGH
by TonyO on Nov 21, 2009 9:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gopher football?
Sorry, I’m an alumnus, and I don’t care about Punky’s team.
by uncle rico on Nov 21, 2009 9:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not having a coach available for the draft
seems problematic
by uncle rico on Nov 21, 2009 9:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'd hate if they played Sessions & Flynn together. Or played Ellington more
because then things might go poorly. Like Captain Joseph Hazelwood said years ago: “Stay the Course”
by Son of Gerald Green on Nov 21, 2009 9:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not a big lead?
These announcers expect a bigger lead?
by uncle rico on Nov 21, 2009 9:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
True
the assumption at the break was that 9 points was too slim and that the Blazers should have already put them away.
by uncle rico on Nov 21, 2009 9:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We give up way too many offensive rebounds
We need Love back just for that reason alone
by Oceanary on Nov 21, 2009 9:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So If we get the 1st pick in the Draft..Who do we take..Aldrich or Wall?
by TonyO on Nov 21, 2009 9:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wall
100%
Because there are no fours.
Toine
by CaliWolf on Nov 21, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But wall is a PG..We can't play Flynn, Sessions and Wall
by TonyO on Nov 21, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We can trade them
It is paramount to find the best player we can obtain at each position. Sort it out later.
Because there are no fours.
Toine
by CaliWolf on Nov 21, 2009 9:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but if we have a glut at one position
then good players play too few minutes and other teams know that they have some small amount of leverage because we need to get something in return rather than have a good player ride the pine
by BVP on Nov 21, 2009 9:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good players ride the pine on championship teams
Talent rules. When you suck you draft whomever you believe is the best player. The biggest mistakes in the draft are overvaluing size (Kandi, Thabeet, Bogut, etc) and drafting for positional need at the top (Darko, Drexler, etc). In the top 10 bad teams have to draft who they believe is the best player. Whatever trade value Flynn, Ramon, Rubio have if we have Wall is not much different than if we don’t.
Because there are no fours.
Toine
by CaliWolf on Nov 21, 2009 10:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, obviously
..meant Bowie becasue of Drexler
Because there are no fours.
Toine
by CaliWolf on Nov 21, 2009 10:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree in principle
but i don’t think there’s been a team in nba history that had three quality players at one position and then drafted a fourth player that plays the exact same position. the examples that you note happened when the better pick got passed over because of what was thought of at the time as an option at a different position because that team already had one (and only one) quality player at the position in question (i.e., ’Melo passed over for Darko because the Pistons already had Rip/Tayshaun.
by BVP on Nov 21, 2009 10:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously, there would be trades
I am not advocating a roster with Flynn, Rubio, Sessions, and Wall. But if Wall is the best player available when we draft, we draft him. Simple as that. Trade the extras, if they have value more than one team will want them so they will retain that value. And my examples still hold. How good would Portland have been with Drexler and Jordan instead of Bowie, or having traded Drexler for something? How good would Detroit have been with Billups, Rip, Prince, Melo, Ben? Talent wins. yes, Detroit won a championship (really only because Shaq and Kobe couldn’t play nice) but they didn’t win because they didn’t draft Melo. And if they had Melo on their roster they would still be relevant.
I’ll say it again – when you suck you accumulate talent.
Because there are no fours.
Toine
by CaliWolf on Nov 21, 2009 10:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right, except for the fact that...
…the best player available is often not the best player available. He is only thought to be the best player available. So there is some wiggle room.
If the next best player available contributes to fill a hole, and no one really knows which player is the best player available, it becomes a judgement call.
But nevermind…
by timmuggs on Nov 21, 2009 10:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course
That is why I said
“When you suck you draft whomever you believe is the best player.”
Believe. What else is there? If you really can’t decide between two guys, yeah, draft for position. But otherwise, it is never a good idea to not draft a guy because you already got a guy.
Of course nobody knows who truly is the best guy at each slot. But, when you suck, not drafting who you believe is the best guy is wrong, unless the difference is very small. I guess I am assuming that Wall is a full notch better.
Because there are no fours.
Toine
by CaliWolf on Nov 21, 2009 10:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Blake Griffin?
With Zach Randolph, Chris Kaman, and Marcus Camby?
by Mplax on Nov 22, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Draft Wall, assuming he is deemed the #1 player. Then trade Flynn and maybe a little something more for the 3rd or 4th pick and get Aldrich.
by Rumblebee on Nov 22, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming Flynn holds his value.....
but more realistically Rubio’s rights may be on the block if we have access to Wall.
Judd: "...I've since watched some Steven Seagal movies and I realise that pressure points are no laughing matter.".
by Auswolf on Nov 22, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I was thinking.
Rubio becomes essentially a lottery pick next year, Sessions goes for some wing help or a later pick, and Flynn stays on and backs up Wall.
by LoveTo on Nov 22, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In essence
with drafting Wall you’d have 4 guards for two roster positions.
If Rubio was reluctant to come due to Flynn, well Wall is going to enormous incentive to stay in Spain.
I’d think you’d keep Wall, move Flynn or Sessions with Rubio still in Spain. When Rubio is able to take his ETO and interest in him increases again, then his rights are traded at the 2010-11 trade deadline or in the summer of 2011.
Judd: "...I've since watched some Steven Seagal movies and I realise that pressure points are no laughing matter.".
by Auswolf on Nov 22, 2009 6:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose if New Jersey keeps playing poorly
Rubio could get traded there if it brings back a pick high enough to draft Aldrich.
Wall and Aldrich is the prize we should all be rooting for this season. I worry about Utah though because they get the Knicks pick and Aldrich may be a Sloan type of player.
by Rumblebee on Nov 23, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
or trade for more picks
which might be Kahn’s MO.
by BVP on Nov 21, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No way
Unless they are top 5 or 6. Depth is easy to get, stars are rare and lucky. It is always worse to trade a star (or potential star) for depth.
Because there are no fours.
Toine
by CaliWolf on Nov 21, 2009 9:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Only if
you think Mayo is a star and Love is average. And that was pre-Kahn, of course.
Because there are no fours.
Toine
by CaliWolf on Nov 21, 2009 9:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mayo sure would look good with us right now
He brings everything we’re missing on the perimeter
by Oceanary on Nov 21, 2009 9:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And the ’10 Draft is supposedly loaded with power forward prospects.
by Andy G on Nov 21, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So would Love
Because there are no fours.
Toine
by CaliWolf on Nov 21, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be funny … Rubio, Wall, Flynn and Sessions … one more and we can a lineup entirely made up out of point guards
Official Kahn/Rambis band-wagon rider since 2009
by Wim (Belgium) on Nov 22, 2009 7:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot Jason Hart
Your 2010 Minnesota Timberwolves ladies and gentlemen!!!
by Menyun on Nov 22, 2009 7:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can we please do what I did on my NBA 2k10 Franchise..
Trade Cardinal and Jason Hart to the Hornets for CP3 :)
by TonyO on Nov 21, 2009 9:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm surprised we're still in this
As bad as we’ve played, but only down by 6….
by Oceanary on Nov 21, 2009 9:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
rather amazing
but the competition is playing down to our level
by uncle rico on Nov 21, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wasn't he a Wolf for a Moment last year when we had no Front Court Depth?
by TonyO on Nov 21, 2009 10:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, kind of
He actually signed right before we traded Garnett, so technically our frontcourt depth was fine at the time
by Oceanary on Nov 21, 2009 10:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they cut him right after we traded Garnett..which was stupid
by TonyO on Nov 21, 2009 10:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Howard signed solely because of Garnett .. then he wanted to get traded out when Garnett got trade right after he signed … No reason to keep grumpy ppl on your team :)
Official Kahn/Rambis band-wagon rider since 2009
by Wim (Belgium) on Nov 22, 2009 7:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Flynn was out of control on that drive
Everyone at the rim is expecting to get hammered by Oden.
by Oceanary on Nov 21, 2009 10:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i like the aggressiveness, though.
by davechisholm on Nov 21, 2009 10:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya, it’s just odd he missed so badly. He’s money on those cross-basket layins
by Oceanary on Nov 21, 2009 10:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It is really amazing that Jonny never gets fouled but ends up knocked into the third row each time.
by Menyun on Nov 21, 2009 10:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What's this?
Pavlovic is hitting his shots?
by Oceanary on Nov 21, 2009 10:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That's not funny
Pavlovic is hitting his shots
?
don’t tease me like that, I can’t see the game, going by this thread. Next your going to tell me that Brewer is shooting 50%
by Son of Gerald Green on Nov 21, 2009 10:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If Corey starts shooting 50%, he'll be an all star
Total pipe dream though
by Oceanary on Nov 21, 2009 10:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Captain
I can’t change the laws of physics
by uncle rico on Nov 21, 2009 11:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait until Flynn gets through this learning curve
He’s a tremendous talent…I feel bad really that he gets ripped on because he isn’t matching Jennings or Lawson so far. It’s not like it’s his fault.
by Oceanary on Nov 21, 2009 10:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It isn’t a learning curve so much as Jennings and Lawson have complete freedom to make plays and Jonny doesn’t.
by Menyun on Nov 21, 2009 10:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
Those guys are just more talented. True that he doesn’t have the freedom to control the game, which limits his statistical output. But, on individual plays he does operate with freedom. How many times has he driven to the hoop this game. In fact, on individual plays, when he’s playing his game, he doesn’t look that sharp. He’ll get better, but he’s got some development before he plays more in control. What I don’t understand is how none of this is his fault.
by dropstep on Nov 21, 2009 10:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
actually he seems to behind
maynor
collison
as well now
hopefully he does turn it around he just need more time
by KahningPups on Nov 21, 2009 10:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We need a center in the worst way
Oden beasts on us every time we play the Blazers
by Oceanary on Nov 21, 2009 10:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Pech is suppose to be a center..He just sucks ass
by TonyO on Nov 21, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said last Wednesday
Pech has the reflexes of a sleeping Koala bear
by Oceanary on Nov 21, 2009 10:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If it was a sleeping Koala vs Pech to grab a rebound, my money is on the Koala, and I would give 10 to 1 odds.
by Menyun on Nov 21, 2009 10:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pech<<<Any Center in the League
Pech hasn’t been able to get off the bench in the NBA until he got to our mighty wolves. Barely an NBA player
by Son of Gerald Green on Nov 21, 2009 10:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully Hollins works on keeping the fouls down
Because he’s incredibly valuable when he’s on the floor
by Oceanary on Nov 21, 2009 10:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
even more astonishing
corey brewer shooting 3 for 5. Best shooting night of his life.
by JiveLive on Nov 21, 2009 10:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Epic Fail by the Arizona Wild Cat Fans...
Up 3 with 5 seconds left..they left their seats to storm the field..Oregon hits a Field goal to tie the game
by TonyO on Nov 21, 2009 10:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hand down, man down
Gomes has to keep his hands up guarding Roy
by Oceanary on Nov 21, 2009 10:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
And all the sudden we're down by 18
Put Flynn back in
by Oceanary on Nov 21, 2009 10:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He's 2 of 6
with 3 assists and 3 TO
by dropstep on Nov 21, 2009 10:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we can throw him under the Blazers bus.
That should slow the team down.
by Menyun on Nov 21, 2009 11:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True
Stick with Sessions. He is 1 of 4 with 2 assists.
by Menyun on Nov 21, 2009 11:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My point exactly
There are no saviors sitting on the bench.
by dropstep on Nov 21, 2009 11:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Double True
I was also just being sarcastic. It helps ease the pain.
by Menyun on Nov 21, 2009 11:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Once again
we get blasted by a huge run. Leading 51-49 and nine minutes later trailing 63-81. Outscored 32-12 n 9 damn minutes.
Because there are no fours.
Toine
by CaliWolf on Nov 21, 2009 10:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's time for 4th Quarter Brewer
enough of the 3 for 6 50% from the field Corey. I’m ready for Bombs Away Brewer! C’mon Corey, take that round object and throw it in the vicinity of the rim!
by Son of Gerald Green on Nov 21, 2009 11:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
last 11 minutes
losing 39-14
Because there are no fours.
Toine
by CaliWolf on Nov 21, 2009 11:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
how does that happen?
I’m not watching
by uncle rico on Nov 21, 2009 11:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
45-16
in 15 minutes.
Because there are no fours.
Toine
by CaliWolf on Nov 21, 2009 11:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow
these guys suck much more than I imagined.
by uncle rico on Nov 21, 2009 11:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wolves will tie their losing streak
Big match up with the Grizzlies. Question: How long before Rambis loses his patience?
by uncle rico on Nov 21, 2009 11:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Brewster and Rambis:
winless in November.
by uncle rico on Nov 21, 2009 11:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's so bad the Blazer fans
are not even here tonight
by uncle rico on Nov 21, 2009 11:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
terrrible
pecherov needs to stop chucking 3’s
by bheidge on Nov 21, 2009 11:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We're such an imbalanced team
We definitely need to acquire a center and some shooters
by Oceanary on Nov 21, 2009 11:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
not even really a team
I watched the stream first half and the Portland announcers were commenting on the lack of talent on this squad.
by uncle rico on Nov 21, 2009 11:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Give ya Przy and Outlaw
That would help.
All we need in return is Mr. Rubio : P. Would even take mar Blounts crappy contract off your hands if you throw in Jawai….
No? Oh
"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane
by MadBlaze on Nov 22, 2009 3:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Only if you the Blazers agree to play Blounts contract.
Not the actually guy, just have the signed document on the court with the other 4 guys.
by Menyun on Nov 22, 2009 7:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
u kidding me?
Pryzbilla is the best backup center in the league
Trade for Luis Amundson!!Do it KP!!
by CroRupt on Nov 22, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
4 points in 7 minutes?
how is that possible? Why am I here?
by uncle rico on Nov 21, 2009 11:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
could break the record
for fewest points/quarter
by uncle rico on Nov 21, 2009 11:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Remember Kahn Backers
He’s doing a brilliant job so far. Rubio might come over in 3 years. Outside of Jefferson most of us have never heard of our big men until this year (Pech/Jawai/Hollins). Took a 5 10 poor shooting PG who sadly might be our 2nd best player. We’re setting records for losses and the coach has said multiple times that the team either quit or was out-hustled. Our team has averaged 27 wins the last 4 years and team management tells us not to expect wins this year or next.
Solid GM candidates Lindsey, Pfund, and Penn all removed themselves from consideration after talking to Glen Taylor. So Ol Glen went with a CBA Cast off turned a great trade with Miller and Foye into mass confusion and derision on draft day. Let’s all be honest with ourselves and admit that so far 2009/2010 is a mess
by Son of Gerald Green on Nov 21, 2009 11:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Of course this season is a mess
Would you prefer to be 3-10 with Foye, Miller, less cap space, no Rubio, no Sessions, and McHale?
Because there are no fours.
Toine
by CaliWolf on Nov 21, 2009 11:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Miller is injured again
out for about a month.
by Rumblebee on Nov 22, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No surprise that we're losing bad to Portland and looking terrible
What are the “brilliant” moves that Kahn should have made? Holding on to Miller and Foye so that we could overpay them when their contracts come up?
by nextmove on Nov 21, 2009 11:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think most people would argue that Love is the second best player.
Also, Jonny is 5 foot 11.25 inches without shoes; don’t bring the hate.
by Menyun on Nov 21, 2009 11:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Boy, we suck out there tonight.
Just outmanned. Brutal.
by Princely Frank on Nov 21, 2009 11:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
not to be confrontational
but we’ve sucked every night save for that Celts game and the opener.
by uncle rico on Nov 21, 2009 11:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Never thought they’d go from a plus-rebounding team to having it be such a liability. It’s brutal to watch player development against good teams if the shots aren’t falling and they can’t get out on the break.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Nov 22, 2009 1:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
No three point shooters.
There is not a single three point threat on the roster. Sasha doesn’t count as he can’t do anything else well; dribble, play defense, breathe, etc.
by Menyun on Nov 22, 2009 7:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
we suck so bad espn pulled the plug on showing us on national tv friday
November 27th game against the suns will now not be on espn
because who wants to see 1 win team get their ass kicked
instead it is Bucks versus Thunder
damn it Brandon Jennings
by KahningPups on Nov 22, 2009 3:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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