Trade Machine nonsense
by McCleak on Nov 22, 2009 10:46 AM CST
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PrintIn lieu of trying to find good in blowout after blowout, I thought I might put together a reasonable trade for the Timberwolves to even things out. Below is a Sacramento/Memphis/Minnesota trade.
Sacramento gets:
Corey Brewer
Steven Hunter
The Memphis' second round pick owed to the Timberwolves
Memphis gets:
Al Jefferson
Utah's first round pick owed to the Timberwolves
Sacramento's second round pick
Minnesota gets:
Marc Gasol
Rudy Gay
Notes:
Memphis takes on a few more dollars this year, but gets rid of their backcourt controversey, and doesn't trades a young big man on a short contract for a comprable young big man on a longer contract, one that they can build around. It basically takes them out of the FA market for next year, but it's not like they were going to use that cap space anyway.
Sacramento saves $3.1 million this year, and $6.7 million next year. It drops them down to $34.6 million in salary for 2010-2011. If you approximate the cap holds for the first rounder at $1.9 million (the #10) then the Kings would have $36.5 million in cap space used, and the Kings would have $18.5 million for free agents, assuming a $55 million cap. Additionally, they also get to avoid a burgeoning controversy at shooting guard.
Minnesota spend an additional $1.2 million this year. They get a center in Gasol, a shooting guard in Martin, and a small forward in Gay. But for the 2010 offseason, they drop their actual salaries from $35.1 million to $32.1 million. However, the cap holds become tricky. Assuming the Wolves would get the #4 pick and the #13 pick they would then have $7.2 million in draft holds, plus an additional $9.8 for Rudy Gay ($17.0 million total). If you add that to the $32.1 million, then the Wolves would have $49.1 million in used cap space, or $5.9 in salary cap room. However, the Wolves could also do something like renounce Ryan Gomes and Nathan Jawai's rights, freeing them up to $11.2 million in cap room.
So what do you think? Does this put the Wolves on the right track, or does doom them to a half-decade of .500 ball? Would it be worth it just to set this season right? And could Sacramento be convinced of the benefits of having a massive hoard of cap space?
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So let's see
For Al Jefferson, Corey Brewer, and a marginal 1st round pick, the Wolves get Marc Gasol, Martin, and RFA rights to Rudy Gay? Somehow, I feel that the Wolves are making out a little too well on that deal.
Sacramento especially has to do better to make this deal, but both they and Memphis probably say no to this.
by Eric in Madison on Nov 22, 2009 11:47 AM CST reply actions
I think Sacramento actually wouldn’t dislike this too much, as they would be getting a boatload of cap space in the near term. I fully concede that the Bobcats pick may have to be in play as well for Sacramento to find this acceptable.
As for Memphis, it’s not a terrible deal, but I am operating a bit under the assumption that Memphis has a terrible GM who makes bad deals for Memphis.
Alternatively
Do you think both sides could/should trade Gasol and Gay for Jefferson and the Bobcats pick?
Well, I might do that for cap space purposes
more than talent purposes, but that’s because I don’t personally have a lot of interest in Rudy Gay. Frankly, i might renounce him if I made that deal, but then you are essentially trading Jefferson for cap space. I duuno. Probably I wouldn’t do it, but I know a lot of people like Gay, since he looks so good in a uniform.
by Eric in Madison on Nov 22, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
He's also been having a very good year
Between this year and his second year, the potential definitely can show up on the court.
Flawed logic
Saying “it’s not like they (Memphis) were going to use that cap space anyway,” but then putting them in a deal that has them taking on a major long-term salary commitment (and arguably taking a hit in talent to do it). If they would be too cheap to spend the money on free agents, what is their motivation to use it on Al?
Key phrase missing.
It should be "it’s not like they were going to be able to use that cap space anyway. Essentially, I doubt that any free agent worth anything will want to go to Memphis.
I hate it when
people try to use that argument against the Wolves. You see a lot of it on the RealGM Trade Board when fans of bigger market teams try to coerce Wolves posters into agreeing to support imbalanced trades. It seems counterproductive to take that unfair viewpoint and try to apply it to one of the few markets beneath us. I can’t condone it.
The difference with Memphis
Is that as recently as this summer, there were players that were trying to avoid being drafted by the team (Thabeet, Rubio, Harden, and Jennings are all on that list, though they’re the only ones I remember at the moment). In the case of Rubio, specifically, you had multiple reports that people like Pau Gasol and Juan Carlos Navarro were telling him to avoid Memphis. While I’ve heard of draftable rookies behaving like that, I’ve never heard of so many doing so to avoid a specific team; in most cases they want to drop to team they like better. And I’ve never, ever, heard of players in the league not only trying to avoid playing for a team, but recommending that other players avoid them as well. So, yes, all else being equal I don’t see players heading to Memphis anytime soon (the same may be said for Golden State after this offseason, but that’s still a developing situation.).
Those are all fair points.
I guess it’s more that I like to maintain the illusion that the playing field is even, even though it clearly isn’t. It makes the league more fun to follow if it doesn’t seem like certain markets have unfair advantages. The best I can do is to try to not to acknowledge it.
How I behave obviously doesn’t affect anything, but there could be serious issues if the front offices themselves start buying into the notion that they can’t compete the same way the big markets do, and modify their actions to a less effective but seemingly necessary methods.
I think it's just cuz basketball players
hate country music.
Fun times
Awful deal for both Memphis and SacTown but sweet for the Wolves. Besides just the added talent you have to love the Rubio bait that Gasol provides.
Do you think this trade could be possible?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yh8zl7k
Kyle Korver for Damien Wilkins and Nathan Jawai.
I didn't bother to check
but then what’s the point? Not like he will help us.
He's a 40% shooter from deep
Which is easily the team’s biggest need for this season.
Exactly what McCleak said.
Kyle Korver is a very good shooter and we have no true shooter. Wayne Ellington could become one but he’s currently not.
Well Damien Wilkins
has gotten us our only win. so…..
Jawai would look great in utah after boozer leaves
but seriously Jawai has too much upside to be traded.
I think too much upside is an overexaggeration.
Nate is good and he has plenty of potential, but he doesn’t really have a LOT of upside, just some.
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