Game Wrap Haiku
Clips announcers, wow!
Al Jefferson, many walk
Bassy, game's best point
At least this one was close and interesting. The best part of the night was watching the Clippers announcing crew apologize for their very own Iran-Gate right before one of them told the world that "I'm not going to ask you where [Nate] Jawai is from." Really? You don't own a program and you don't want to hazard a guess? Lordy, how do guys like this get in front of a mic? I know that Donald Sterling owns the team but come on; when your lily-white announcers are cracking jokes about not knowing the origins of players, presumably because they have dark pigmentation and foreign accents, it may be time to rethink whether or not the guys with the live-feed access to thousands of people are smart enough to have that sort of position. Thank goodness for J-Pete and Hanny and thank goodness we don't root for the Clips.
More game-based wrappiness to follow in a bit.
UPDATE: My intertronz went down today and I didn't get a chance to put up the game wrap. What I do want to note is that Al Jefferson ended the game with 8 turnovers including a few traveling calls down the stretch. Al is clearly getting his sea legs under him but one of the things that made him such a wonderful player in the past was his ability to post a high usage rate without a lot of TOs. Last year he had a 26.1 UsgR with a 7.3 TOr. That's a lot of team possessions without a lot of turnovers. This season he's sitting at 23.4 and 9.8. In other words, he is using less possessions but making more turnovers. On the good side of things his assist rate is up from 6.3 to 11.4, which is pretty decent for a center. He's still getting to the line at the same clip (19 FT/FG) but his rebound rate is also way down (17.5 to 12.8). His DrawFoul% is currently at 12.1% while last year it was at 12%. Putting this all together, we can make a few assumptions about his ability to get to lose rebounds and his ability to facilitate the ball on offense. He's doling out more assists but it is coming at the expense of a significantly increased turnover rate. Once his legs catch up with him, and once Kevin Love returns, will these trends continue? Will his rebound rate increase once he has an above-average frontcourt player around him? Will his assist rate go down once Love is given the Pau Gasol role on the pinch post?
In terms of last night's game, one of the things that was most interesting about the traveling calls is the always-present NBA question of whether or not Big Al would have received those calls if the Wolves were a .500 or above team and if he had A1 Alpha Dog status. One of the big themes of the young season is that the Wolves led the league in preseason with FTA by 22 attempts over the next best FTA shooting team and they are now the regular season's worst FTA shooting team in terms of free throw rate (a horrible 16.1), the 2nd worst in terms of FTA differential (-5.6), and dead-last in net FTAs (a paltry 18.2). Losing Kevin Love hurts but does it hurt that much? The team hasn't been as good in transition as we first expected and they aren't attacking the lane in the 1/2 court as much as they did in the preseason but are these changes enough to account for the massive shift in FTA output? Just how much did the replacement refs help out the Wolves at the charity stripe?
Whatever the case, the Wolves are a poor shooting team that doesn't get to the line. That's it's biggest functional problem right now. You can't win games if you can't shoot the ball and don't get to the line. It's that simple. Forget everything else for a moment; the Wolves need to attack the rim and get to the line. I know they are trying to bring along Jonny Flynn with a trial by fire but at what point does he need to be told to attack the lane at all costs? Who else is going to get FTAs on this squad right now?
What say you?
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"Thousands" is right
The audience surely surpassed the 100s threshold.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
Bassy tore you guys up. he did the same to the Nuggets though on Friday. Maybe he’s starting to figure out the NBA game a bit more. Truth be told, I thought he was killing it for the Wolves at the end of last season when Jefferson went down.
Bassy turned the corner and “got it” when he was here….we just didn’t have the talent around him to show it.
I wasn't too pleased that we traded him for nothing.
Bassy has become a solid, reasonably paid backup QB. I didn’t understand jettisoning him like he was worth nothing.
by Princely Frank on Nov 24, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
His option next year was a share of that
The extra year on his contract two offseasons ago was one of the few examples of cap mismanagement by McHale that particular year, but it turned into a reason for which the Wolves put Telfair out there for the taking.
(The comparison between Telfair’s option and the one the team just picked up on Brewer is sad to me. Neither player was worth the cap space next summer.)
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
Still trying to figure out all the traveling calls on Jefferson
Zgoda counted 6. But I didn’t see him do anything different than his normal post moves, and only one of those calls really looked like an actual travel.
Something was up last night. No one all the sudden gets called for 6 travels.
Something was up?
I don’t think anyone’s going to waste their time fixing a Clippers-Wolves game in late November.
maybe the refs
were old bitter Celtics fans who still hate Rambis for being a punk in the 80s.
by oblivionspocket on Nov 24, 2009 9:14 AM CST up reply actions
Not that the game was fixed. Just....amateur refs maybe?
The Clippers picked up a bunch of bogus traveling calls too.
Maybe
They didn’t get the memo that travelling is legal.
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
by biggity2bit on Nov 24, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
I love that KG travels pretty much every time he posts up and yet Al, who actually has legit post footwork, picks up 6 in one game. Ridiculous.
When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story.
I didn't see them all
but that last one was certainly a travel. He actually traveled twice, but they only called him on it the second time.
It was a travel in college or high school. But that move is never called a travel in the NBA — at least not when it’s done smoothly, like Al’s was.
Nothing wrong with calling it the way the rule is written — but since it isn’t called normally, it was unfortunate at that crucial point in the game.
It wasn't done very smoothly
if everyone who was watching could see it pretty easily. Dunleavy and the Clipper bench was already going nuts because the first travel wasn’t called and I’m guessing the refs knew they couldn’t overlook the second one.
The second move had no hesitation. Normally that extra step doesn’t get called in the NBA. Not much else to say on it.
I think the fact that he did it twice, ,sealed it...
They overlooked the first one…but come on…he did it twice.
I just watched it again
The most obvious violation on the play was Sessions’ carry.
Jeff shuffled his feet, slightly, Dunleavey went beserk, then they called a travel on a pivot move that would not typically get called. It was probably the combination of the missed carry, the slight shuffle of his feet (something that plenty of pros do and don’t get called for) and the slight extra step on the pivot move. In any case, it’s probably not bad to get one call on three arguable violations.
"In any case, it’s probably not bad to get one call on three arguable violations."
And we wonder why there are such problems with the refs if we only expect one call to come after three clear violations.
I'm still amazed...
…that the Wolves led the league in FTAs during pre-season (by a fairly wide margin) and are now last in the league in FTrate. Granted, Love being out hurts and they haven’t exactly attacked the lane and ran as much in transition (again, Love hurts here too) as they did but that’s a huge change and I think a portion of it can be chalked up to having the old game-managing refs back in the swing of things.
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agreed
It was part of why I thought they’d be better than they are. Newsflash, refs: just because Corey Brewer is an average or below-average finisher doesn’t mean he never gets hacked.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Nov 24, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
Al has to own at least part of the blame...
…seriously, if you get called for 2 or 3 travels, you HAVE change your approach. Try dribbling the ball! 6, 7, 8 turn overs, you’re absolutely killing your team’s chances to win.
As the paper mentioned today
Officials gave a little talking session to reporters about how they were going to make more traveling calls in just that sort of situation. It’s a league-cracking-down thing.
KG should get at least a symbolic call himself, just for karma’s sake, before the star system goes back into force.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
Ralph and Mike
are the best announcers in the game right now…if you’ve only listened once in a while you may not get their humor, but they are splendid to us Clips fans!
Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"
They are pretty funny.
They’re such ridiculous homers for the Clippers it makes me feel like L.A. is some small bumpkin town.
by Princely Frank on Nov 24, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
Lawler is a great announcer
No one has ever debated that, even fans from visiting teams like to watch Clips broadcasts for them.
They were good
until the Clips started winning. Then they got noticeably more annoying. And I’m not saying that just cuz I was annoyed we were down. I didn’t even expect the game to be that close, it just got annoying when all of a sudden they became Clipper fans when the lead changed. Before that, they were good announcers.
The funniest part is how much they love individual clippers.
“I really don’t think anyone would argue that Kaman is one of the deadliest offensive forces in the NBA right now. Boy, that Al Thornton is a rising star. Remember the good old days of the classic Derrick Martin?”
by Princely Frank on Nov 24, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
Derrick Martin?
New Wolves assistant coach for player development.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
I do like Ralph Lawler… but I have to say that the fact he hadn’t heard of Haddadi/didn’t know where he was from bothered me more than the fact he was joking about his heritage. I mean, he’s paid to know this stuff. If I knew about Haddadi over a year ago, he should damn well know by now. Same with Jawai. End of story.
I agree...
….that it’s a stupidity issue rather than a race/ethnic one. He’s paid to know these things and if he’s too stupid to do otherwise, that’s the problem. I can’t stand it when people celebrate/joke about their ignorance. It’s not something to be proud of.
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Reframing it as "tongue in cheek" doesn't change the stupidity of it
Sometimes it’s alright to be tongue in cheek about minor ignorances. When it’s an joke about your ignorance involving race when you just got in trouble for making an ignorant comment about race, that’s pretty stupid. I don’t care if you’re poking fun at yourself; you’re a professional annoncer for the uppermost level of professional basketball (regardless of your covered franchise’s history of ineptitude) and as such you should be a professional and lose the “har-har, his name is funny” crap.
I’m surprised they showed no signs of realizing “Maybe I should be a little more educated on such things as country of origin when a major percentage of this league is foreign-born and many of those players are stars.” Not to mention they play in one of the more diverse and progressive cities/states in the nation. For all I know they could be funny guys with some great insight, but they’re doing everyone (including themselves) a disservice with lazy, low-brow humor like that.
You're workin' the wrong beat.
I can’t stand it when people celebrate/joke about their ignorance. It’s not something to be proud of.
Welcome to the internet?
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
I'm of the opinion...
….that you have to point it out wherever you are…internet or otherwise.
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Yeah, but my life's work is not going to be....
….bringing people up short in the Pioneer Press’s “Topix” area.
Real example: The Presspatch had a little story about the death of the writer who wrote the classic Chuckles the Clown episode of Mary Tyler Moore. The first couple of posts on the Topix area (why did I look? why?) were people congratulating themselves on not having any idea what the show was or how the episode went. Ignorance, trumpeted as coolness. What is wrong with people?
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
the hillbillization of america
“the f#^k I ain’t” is not a motto to live by.
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A little background on this...
I think the comment was made in light of the announcers’ recent suspensions. If you haven’t heard: http://bit.ly/70GZEI.
Definitely still reflects their ignorance, but I think it was an attempt at humor given the above.
Of course it was
but I think the others are saying that poking fun at your own ignorance, when it is supposed to be part of your job to know this stuff, is not really that funny…
Agreed
I was not attempting to excuse their foolishness by any stretch. It amazes me that these men have public-facing jobs in a major metropolitan area. I just wanted to be sure that others knew the context.
I probably just missed this discussion in another thread. I’m new here, after all.
There's actually a pretty interesting book on this subject
http://www.amazon.com/Idiot-America-Stupidity-Became-Virtue/dp/0767926145
It’s a good read that brings up a lot of interesting questions.
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Haven't you heard?
They wrote a follow-up:
http://www.amazon.com/Going-Rogue-American-Sarah-Palin/dp/0061939897
Palin
Is hilarious until reality comes crashing down on you when you realize that there are people who actually take her seriously. Then it makes me want to cry.
When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story.
I think...
…she’s just in it for the money at this point. She’s not going back to being a snowbilly in Wasila at this point. Mama is too good for that. She’s definitely a pioneer in the field of Celebritics.
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Funny bit of trivia for you: she actually stole a word out of the L. Ron Hubbard lexicon for that resignation speech that you had quoted for a while:
See if you can find it!
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I'm stumped..
…and I’m a big connoisseur of both of those subjects ;)
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My guess
Chee-Chalker? That’s the only one that mentions Alaska that I can see, so I stopped reading there. If I read any more I may become brainwashed into becoming a completely insane seafaring man who thought he could fly his ship towards Xenu with his mind.
No idea about the Sourdough reference, though.
When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story.
D'oh!!
I read right over it. It’s in my stupid signature line too. I have it written as “cheechako”…I read right over it and thought it was something else. Stupid brain farts. A sourdough is a long time resident of Alaska while a Cheechako is a newbie.
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her days are numbered
the demographics say it all. Look at her supporters and the trends in population growth and shift. Plus, the GOP will not support her. The only thing that gives me any consolation.
All that book does is bash on religous conservatives. It’s kinda funny how liberals constantly preach tolerance of all cultures, beliefs, and ways of life until those beliefs and ways of life don’t follow their ways. I don’t really want to get into politics and religion because this is just a basketball blog and is better off without getting involed in such discussions but them kind of people just amaze me with their hipocrisy.
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I think that comment..
…could be used in a footnote from the book ;)
I think you are a bit narrow with your take on liberals. Everybody does those things, as I’m sure you are well aware of over at BE (and here).
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Do the saddle-on-dinosaurs people count as religious conservatives?
Because that’s pretty damn stupid. If you’re suggesting it’s intolerant to make fun of such stupidness then I’m not sure anything is a valid subject for humor.
Although I would probably go see a movie about people riding dinosaurs.
Sigh. Now who is the stupid one?
by Princely Frank on Nov 24, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
I actually had a chance..
…to go to the Creation Museum. Its stupidity is beyond words. This is my favorite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4Cc8t3Zd5E
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Why is there no Dragonriders of Pern movie?
Not dinosaurs, but still, I would probably see that.
(And I’d be disappointed. And then I’d realize Jerry Bruckheimer’s name was in the credits, and I’d kick myself for being suckered again.)
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
Why should anyone of any political persuasion
be tolerant of ignorance and demagoguery? What makes CH so great is that one can discuss serious issues other than hoops here as well.
danke...
…we like to think of this place like a pub. you walk in the door to watch/talk about the game but the discussion is free to go elsewhere.
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"Dumb and Dumber" gave way to "Forrest Gump," right?
I never could bring myself to view the latter. I know, I know, lots of people enjoyed it. I didn’t mind the Curious Case of Benjamin Button, myself, and it was a very similar conceit of an overblown movie. (Maybe it was just that I needed to avoid some family members for a few hours that January afternoon.)
But the pop-cultural idea that being “simple” is somehow ennobling, that slow-wittedness is a kind of protection against the vicissitudes of life, that idea makes me angry. Being dumb is just being dumb. It pretty often ends up with your being led around by the nose by somebody who’s taking advantage of your being a sucker.
Also, stupid people have stupid senses of humor, which gets old really, really fast. That would be the former of the two movies. Eck.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
Don't put those two movies in the same category
I don’t think Forrest Gump will make you angry. It does not celebrate stupidity. It is actually a bit of a history movie, and it shows a guy thriving despite being dealt a poor hand.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Nov 25, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
For how "stupid" Dumb and Dumber is
it has such an intricate sense of humor to it that hasn’t been rivaled since. Most of that is lost, however, because most people are expecting a dumb movie and don’t look for the subtle humor that plagues the movie.
So where's the game wrap?
I didn’t get a chance to watch this one and I am interested in reading your take on it S&P. TIA.
My intertronz went down today and I didn't get a chance to do it
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So what was working for the Wolves during the first 3 quarters
for the benefit of those of us who only read Jerry Z’s recap.
They were shooting
55% and 50% through the first 2 quarters… that didn’t hurt.
Flynn looked pretty good.
And Brewer looked pretty good despite not shooting that well. And the whole team was shooting uncharacteristically well from downtown.
Nobody on the Clippers could guard Flynn when he took it hard to the hole, but when he dribbled around aimlessly around the outside they did fine.
But nobody on the Wolves could control the defensive glass or the area around the hoop generally, as Thornton and Camby could dunk at will. Luckily, Baron threw up enough bricks from outside to keep us in it before the Clips benched him for Telfair.
In the end, with the Wolves down two and in need of a defensive stop, Al Jefferson turned around to commit pass interference on Kaman (I think?) and didn’t even turn to look at Baron Davis driving right up his back for an easy layup. Game over.
by Princely Frank on Nov 24, 2009 9:16 PM CST up reply actions

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