Quick takes with Rambis and Gomes from last Friday
Because most of my writing is now necessarily about the broader NBA instead of just the Wolves, I missed Kurt Rambis's postgame press conference Friday night to chase Cleveland Cavs info. But the coach graciously acceded to a quick conversation on his way back to his office, prompted by my curiosity about how he envisions the division of the point guard duties between rookie Jonny Flynn and 23-year old free agent signee Ramon Sessions. Obviously the situation didn't warrant follow-up questions are significant elucidation of his thoughts, but it does provide a little window into his thinking. (Sorry it is already five days later, but other deadlines just kept on coming in the interim.)
Q: What are your primary criteria when it comes to evaluating your point guards?
Kurt Rambis: I'm probably going to need to give Johnny just as much time as I can before someone else, just to give him the experience out there. But he's got to do the right thing.
Q: You gave him a little bit quicker hook in the first half tonight than previously. Was it something you saw specifically?
KR: There was one sequence where he went out of the context of the offense and tried to dribble too much, turned the ball over and then jogged back on defense. That, definitely, if you turn the ball over you better bust your ass as hard as you can to get back and try to make up for the play. It is not one of his teammate's responsibility to get his back when he does something wrong and turns the ball over. So those types of situations. [When he's] making dumb mistakes, I'll have to sit on my hands a lot and just figure he has to go through these learning experiences. But lack of hustle and lack of effort; that's something that he shouldn't tolerate.
Q: And what about during garbage time, when he turned the ball over twice in a row. Is that a circumstance where you de-emphasize the mistakes a little bit just because of the circumstance?
KR: No. That's him. It is good for him to know that if he goes out there and tries to do too much, then they take the ball from him, or that he looks silly out there. It is good for him to learn that what he was able to get away with in college right now he is not able to get away with.
Q: Have you talked to Ramon about minutes or lack thereof?
KR: No, I don't talk to him about minutes. I've just talked about the responsibilities of the job--to both of them, about what I expect of them.
Q: But you don't anticipate any problems? He's got a four-year deal and just should understand what you are trying to do here?
KR: I don't anticipate any words about that. They knew the situation coming in here. My door is always open and players can come in and talk if they have any questions. As the season goes on and Jonny or any player is learning more and more and more, if repeated mistakes continue to be made, then the hook will be quicker. But there is a point where I will accept a certain amount of mistakes and there is a learning curve that goes along with that.
Q: But the team is committed to youth and making some decisions on that basis?
KR: It is a year. We've got time and we are going to try and get both of them as much experience as possible. It's just that right now we are trying to catch Jonny up.
Bonus nugget: After talking to Rambis, I wandered into the Wolves' locker room to see if any players were still around. Typically, the last player left was Ryan Gomes, holding court with patience and eloquence while explaining problems with learning the offense to beat writers Jerry Zgoda and Ray Richardson. Since I came in mid-explanation, I won't try to recreate that part. But it seemed the perfect time-and the voluble, cerebral Gomes was the perfect source-to ask something that I'd wondered about since the beginning of the season. Here is our 30-second exchange.
Q: About what percentage of the half-court sets that you guys run would you say are triangle-related?
RG: What percentage?
Q: Yeah, how often do you guys go into the triangle-half, more than half, less than half...
RG: I'd say about half, half the time.
Q: And then is the rest of it pretty much just your standard pick-and-roll and back cuts?
RG: Yeah, you're standard NBA stuff. Not too many pick and rolls, but your standard ball movement and cuts off people at different angles.
Q: Are there any matchup calls, where you set something up specifically to exploit a matchup?
RG: Sometimes there is. If Corey or Damien or myself have a smaller guy on us or we want to get Al at a certain spot on the floor, we have calls for that.
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Wow, Rambis was blunt.
From that exchange, he strikes me as your typical “tough on rookie point guard” coaches. Jonny could be in for a long first year.
by LoveTo on Nov 4, 2009 2:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ya
But I also get the sense that Rambis has an idea of what Flynn can become is doing all this in the service of that-and I think Flynn understands that too. It may be a long year, but I bet we’ll all be even more excited about Flynn by the end of it.
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
by biggity2bit on Nov 4, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I dunno
I loved this answer. Loved it:
There was one sequence where he went out of the context of the offense and tried to dribble too much, turned the ball over and then jogged back on defense. That, definitely, if you turn the ball over you better bust your ass as hard as you can to get back and try to make up for the play. It is not one of his teammate’s responsibility to get his back when he does something wrong and turns the ball over. So those types of situations.
“If you make a mistake, make an effort.” That’s no quick hook, tough-as-nails coach who’s riding a rookie. That’s nowhere near Flip Saunders riding Wally Szczerbiak, even. Good balance between coaching for the tactics, the specifics, and coaching for attitude. I’ll take that any day.
by feral on Nov 5, 2009 8:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Glad to hear you're busy
Congrats. Enjoyed your article on SI.com the other day.
As good as Flynn’s been, I do have to wonder about not playing Sessions more. 4 year contract, more experience, he’s been a starter. And it does sound like Rambis is just after getting Jonny some experience, and I wonder if that isn’t something he could pick his spots to do, rather than start him and give him the majority of the minutes. But he has been good.
by museum on Nov 4, 2009 4:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
On the flip side...
He has a guaranteed deal that’s roughly 6x more for this year than last year, as well as a guaranteed rotation spot. If he thought the deal or the situation was unfair, he wouldn’t have inked a 4-year deal or signed here in the first place.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Nov 4, 2009 5:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True
I wonder though if he knew this would be the situation. Even if they did discuss it before he signed, NBA players seem to have their own way of looking at situations and disregarding the obvious (see: Iverson, Allen; Miller, Andre).
Or maybe I’m totally wrong and he’s content.
by museum on Nov 4, 2009 6:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Different from Wittman
All coaches criticize their players — that’s a huge part of the job and working to improve the team.
What’s better about Rambis than Wittman is that he does it in practice, and away from the actual games. Wittman was dealing with a team slightly more experienced than the one Rambis inherited, and he barked from the sidelines like it was a junior high girls game. The players had no opportunities to learn from their own mistakes or play with any freedom.
From what I’ve seen, I like Rambis as a coach and team leader. He seems to understand the x’s and o’s, and how he intends the offense and defense to work. But he also understands communication and confidence. We’re sorely lacking in talent at certain positions right now, but I’m confident that the Rambis approach will develop the players we do have, and invite other talented players to come aboard.
by Andy G on Nov 4, 2009 4:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Rambis just wants Flynn to stick to the game plan
He’s well within his rights to yank Flynn out if he’s not following the playbook. As good as Jonny’s been scoring the ball, he’s also been a turnover machine….leads all rookies in TO. You have to be Nash or Kidd or Paul to do some of the things he’s been doing and not get benched.
In his post game against the Suns, Rambis said of Flynn:
“I’m making it very difficult on him. I’m not letting him go out there and run pick-and-rolls all the time, which is what he wants to do. I’m challenging him to step out of that zone. He’s still learning to make accurate decisions, and in those situations, that’s when I have to go to a more stable point guard in Ramon.”
ounds perfectly reasonable to me.
by Oceanary on Nov 4, 2009 5:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I liked what Rambis had to say
Sounded to me like what Rambis was saying between the lines was “Flynn has a higher ceiling, so I’ll give him more minutes, but I won’t let him get into bad habits.”
That’s smart.
by Django Z on Nov 4, 2009 5:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I like the strategy
Rambis is going about this the right way. In our current PG situation, we’re best served by trying to develop Jonny as much as we can. We’re showing confidence in his abilities by starting him while also using positive or negative PT reinforcement according to performance.
Good for Jonny that we’re more focused on development than wins in the short term. We can afford to push his boundaries and work on his weaknesses. Instead of taking the easy route of playing to his strengths by screen-and-rolling all day for wins, we’re taking the hard route of letting him take his lumps in order to be a more well-rounded player. I think that’s a big deal between him being good and great. He sure has the work ethic, personality, and skills to make it work. Right now, he’s just up-and-down.
Ramon is here as a steady (if still young) veteran player who knows what to do and has room to grow. There’s currently not nearly as much for him to gain, though, by playing him more than Jonny. Right now, he’s just there to play when we need a calming influence and some game experience. Down the line, I think we’ll be able to truly shake out what the true roles of each player is after they both are on equal knowledge and experience footing.
by nja700 on Nov 4, 2009 6:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
David Thorpe
has Jonny Flynn 2nd in his 1st-week rookie rankings, behind Brandon Jennings. Nice.
by LoveTo on Nov 4, 2009 6:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm….I might have ranked Curry 2nd and Flynn 3rd, given that Steph is leading all rookies in assists, and Flynn is leading all rookies in turnovers…
by Oceanary on Nov 4, 2009 6:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, but it might be worth
noting that Jonny Flynn is the starting point guard for the team that is averaging the least turnovers per game in the league so far this year.
by Eric in Madison on Nov 4, 2009 6:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But individually, Flynn is averaging more turnovers than assists…
by Oceanary on Nov 4, 2009 7:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the Ast/TO ratio
is skewed because of the offensive system. Lets not use general stats to support rankings. Look no further to how many minutes he plays to determine his decision making (which is what assists are supposed to indicate anyways). If he plays 28+ mintues, he is doing what he is supposed to be doing. 20 or less, he is not playing well. In between, right in the middle.
by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 5, 2009 8:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Which, given the way we looked in preseason?
Is pretty amazing.
by feral on Nov 5, 2009 8:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m fine with how Rambis is handling Flynn, but not Ramon. Other than the brief spot the other night, we still haven’t seen any of Jonny and Ramon playing together.
I get that it isn’t traditional and Rambis obviously doesn’t like it, but what’s the harm in trying given that those 2 are probably 2 of the 3 most talented players currently playing? Forcing minutes to Wilkins? Why not send those extra few minutes to Ramon at the 2?
From what I know of the triangle, it might not fit guys like Al or Flynn very well. NBA ball is about talent and less about scheme. Why force the scheme when the talent doesn’t fit? Why force roles with less talent just to conform?
We’re 1-4…it’s not like things are running so well that we can’t at least try some things in brief stretches.
by Blond Ricky on Nov 5, 2009 6:13 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
That matchup question was on the ball
You have to wonder if getting their heads around the triangle thing leaves the kids a step behind in exploiting stuff like that.
by feral on Nov 5, 2009 8:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Breaking down Gomes' response and Jonny's opportunity
I’ll guess that Gomes’ 50-50 estimate on the triangle is 60-40 with Ramon at the helm and 40-60 with Jonny.
Its a delicate maneuver to get a talented guy used to success a certain way to move well out of his comfort zone. Getting a high first rounder who’s not a LeBron-type of lock on the right NBA path/trajectory as quickly as possible is a critical challenge. Figure a long NBA career is 1000 games (12 years, 80+/ year). Corey has lost 160 so far, and seems to be finding a better path just now. Jonny is five games in and seems to have a great situation for himself (manufactured by David Kahn). He has a wise teacher coach with a good sense of how to manage his players, a rival at his position who is about two years ahead of him and a highly structured, sophisticated offense to master that will quickly break him of past bad habits. Early read is he’s getting a good start.
by A.K. Agikamik on Nov 5, 2009 9:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sessions needs more minutes
Whether at the expense of Flynn or alongside him, I don’t care. But we can’t pay him $16 million to play 22 minutes a night. A guy making that kind of money putting up those kinds of numbers won’t be viewed as a positive asset by many other teams. When Rubio comes, I’d like for us to keep him for ourselves. That will mean trading one of Flynn or Sessions, and ideally we’d be getting something of value back rather than adding something of value in in order to do so.
by John Doe on Nov 5, 2009 10:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sunk Cost
I am just going to throw that out there. At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter what they get paid. They are going to get paid no matter how much the play (for the most part). If you want to see more sessions because you think the team plays better with him, that’s cool. But on the other hand the FO has been pretty upfront about us not just playing to win. If nothing else, Sessions will keep the pressure on Jonny to perform how Rambis wants him to. If he doesn’t, then Sessions plays a lot more while Jonny watches. It isn’t like this is some sort of travesty. Sessions is getting a pretty solid vote of confidence by how Rambis is treating him and allowing him to be the vet presence.
That implied confidence will tell opposing coaches and GMs exactly what kind of player he is.
by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 5, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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