Avoiding the Goat Hunters; Game Thread #7, Portland Style
by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 8, 2009 7:45 PM CST
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PrintMinnesota Timberwolves at Portland Trail Blazers, Nov 8, 2009 8:00 PM CST
It's that time of year again. Time to share a game thread with the somewhat emotionally draining (but always engaging) Pritch Slappers and watch as their young team of exciting players takes on our odds-and-ends collection of Beloved Puppies, future draft picks, and cap space. Hooray cap space! (BTW: Don't forget to scroll down the page and check out our newest feature: Money Talks with shrink. It's good stuff.)
It has been brought to my attention that the good folks at the excellent Blazers Edge are out hunting for our goat with a post having something to do with jello, potholes, Jesse Ventura, and Sid Hartman bestiality. Now we know how BE gets those good hit numbers: They are a specialty porn search magnet. Somewhere, some unsuspecting creep who is just looking for a good time with some jello and a pack animal has stumbled across SB Nation. Well done guys, well done. The next time someone asks us why BE is so successful, we now know what to say: llama porn.
(I kid. BE is a fantastic site and we hope that Hoopus can follow in its footsteps.)
Reading through the post it appears that Dave has been to Minnesota at least as long ago as the late 90s (maybe earlier) and in the interest of neighborly blog relations (and clinical concern for a fan base with so much projection) I would like to let him know that for every Jesse Ventura there is a Bob Packwood and for every Love Boat a county jail (or two) has been blazed. We feel your pain like I am sure you have felt ours, and may we now all just enjoy the trip to our final destination along different points of the way. We'll see you in two years when the Wolves are in the first stages of yet another rebuilding effort and when global warming has turned Minnesota into a year-round paradise.
BTW (and for future reference when your guys lose the WCF in a fantastically crushing manner to the Lakers and people want to talk about it): It will always be too soon. Also, Denny Green should have never told Cunningham to take a knee and Andersen missed because of a bad snap.
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I wish we'd adjust our lineup so Gomes isn't on Roy
I’d feel a lot better moving Brewer to the 3 and starting Sessions or Ellington in place of Gomes.
Ryan Gomes is a 6’7" bruiser with range who always gives the Blazers fits.
And here I thought Gomesy’s only redeeming quality was that he helped donate heart defibrillators to schools and rec centers.
You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Nov 8, 2009 7:56 PM CST reply actions
Roy has owned Gomes over the last two years
He doesn’t have the lateral quickness to stay in front of Roy, and doesn’t have the wingspan to bother him off screens or contest his jumpers.
I believe Dave just has Gomes' last performance vs them in mind.
You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Nov 8, 2009 8:03 PM CST up reply actions
We have a bit of a Blazers fest coming up
3 times in the next fortnight?
And we really shouldn’t poke Blazer fans with a stick either. They should be pleased to have five more years to wait for LMA to stamp his authoritay on the league. Five. More. Years.
Oh, and we’ll get spanked.
Judd: "...I've since watched some Steven Seagal movies and I realise that pressure points are no laughing matter.".
by Auswolf on Nov 8, 2009 7:58 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Yeah..
…beating the spread would be lucky at this point.
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Anyone looking at the scores right now? Thunder are KILLING the Magic
Granted Orlando is without Carter, Lewis and Anderson, but still….this is a slaughter.
Chalk the Thunder up as another team who’s rebuilding plans have accelerated past our own.
Because we want Aldridge to kill us
Plus, with Miller on Brewer, Corey will get all sorts of open looks, right? RIGHT?
Have a nice game Wolves and capspace
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
Why can't FSN let people know when games are actually in HD?
Doesn’t seem like it would be that hard …
by Dikembe is Immortal on Nov 8, 2009 8:15 PM CST reply actions
I like that Flynn
He ain’t bad at all.
The Kings have the best bench I’ve seen. There are easily 14 guys on this team good enough for every bench in the league. Now if we could only get some starters, I’d totally jizz in my pants.
Kings fan
Greg Oden is the definition of Tree Stump
Probably the Worst Center in the NBA and that includes Mark Blount
He's a much better defender than, say, Al Jefferson. Watch.
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
We'll see
The Kings have the best bench I’ve seen. There are easily 14 guys on this team good enough for every bench in the league. Now if we could only get some starters, I’d totally jizz in my pants.
Kings fan
If that's the case..
….I will definitely take the worst center in the NBA on the Wolves.
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We need to get Sessions or Ellington in there
This two guard lineup is killing us. Miller and Blake are all over the place.
its really not a 2 guard line up
Flynn is the only True Guard in the Lineup..Brewer is a true Small Forward playing in the wrong spot..Like Foye was trying to play Point guard.
He's coming off a year where he averaged 18ppg
All star isn’t out of his range by any means as he continues to develop
I think it was just the context of the statement
like he was going to be an All Star this year because he scored 7 points in a quarter against the T’wolves. Seemed like a bit of a stretch to me.
I agree though, he has the potential to be an all star someday.
Why did no one stop the ball?
Geez, force Hollins to pick up a bad foul because our guards let Bayless go coast to coast
agreed..
….he maybe gets them 1 more win (against LAC or Boston) but this is still a struggling team that is a long way from being a .500 club.
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We would not have beat the Celtics with Love
The only reason we stayed in that game at all was Pecherov’s unbelievable shooting.
The Clippers? Maybe. But our problem in that game was defense, not offense, and Love isn’t going to help this team much defensively.
Is it a bad decision..
..to be watching the Twolves play when I have a final exam for Macroeconomics in 2 hours?
yes....
…very bad luck. hopefully no black cats (or bats) come on the court.
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you got a problem with black cats?
"I can shoot with my left hand, I can shoot with my right hand, I'm amphibious". -- Charles Shackleford
Holy shit Al
He’s a black hole of suck in this game. The offense just grinds to a halt when he gets the ball.
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Just dropping in to say that while I like the Wolves’ young talent, Flynn and Jefferson need to get a little more on the same page.
Brewer looks much better than before as well. Nice athletic layup on the break.
This win will feel hollow considering Nathan (“He weighs 285 lbs… on the moon”) Jawai played in place of Love.
On the Portland side, at least McMillan has finally reversed his castration of Andre Miller and Jerry’d Bayless.
free bayless
how do you reverse castration?
The Kings have the best bench I’ve seen. There are easily 14 guys on this team good enough for every bench in the league. Now if we could only get some starters, I’d totally jizz in my pants.
Kings fan
with a bag of marbles and a pair of scissors?
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Tell that to the guy from BME Pain Olympics.
The Kings have the best bench I’ve seen. There are easily 14 guys on this team good enough for every bench in the league. Now if we could only get some starters, I’d totally jizz in my pants.
Kings fan
You think having Darius Songaila would have helped us?
one of The STUPIDEST trades i’ve ever seen..Does Kahn really thing Lebron or D-Wade are coming here?
This is one of those times..
…where Flynn needs to drive the lane no matter what.
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that long contested two just isn’t good, even if he makes it. He has speed that could kill Blake.
free bayless
he's one of the top 2 or 3 fastest guys...
..in the game and he should use it against this team. he made brandon jennings look slow a few times against the bucks. his whole thing right now is figuring out when to turn it on and off and how to work the offense.
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sounds like Bayless.
Apparently Bayless and Flynn are longtime buddies. They remind me of each other in that both have really struggled to run the offense fluidly.
free bayless
Flynn..
…definitely has some PG in him. He’s a pick and roll monster and I think he’d be having a huge start if he played in a more traditional offense.
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I just think it’ll be more of a Russell Westbrook learning curve that it takes him a while to run the offense well .
free bayless
Russell Westbrook
doesn’t run the triangle. Always leads to fewer assists for the PG.
That being said, he should be getting more than he is.
or his natural position...
if the Oden matchup doesn’t make clear that Jefferson’s not a center, nothing will.
He looks tiny out there.
Definitely
This would be a lot more even a battle if Al was matched with Aldridge and we had a guy Oden’s size to man the middle.
I'm interested to see if we can get Thabeet as part of a sign-and-trade for Gay
If we can get Hasheem, I think it’s worth taking the chance to see what he can develop into
I'd love Thabeet...
but he isn’t going to be a “throw in” in any deal. He was picked 3 spots ahead of Ricky Rubio in the last draft. I assume Memphis values him pretty high.
Uhhh...
No thanks on Thabeet! Has Bust written all over! Not what we need.
Who knows what Memphis is doing
I wouldn’t put any value on any of their players. That team is in chaos, and we’ve already seen that they’ll give away talent for free.
I think Jefferson..
…is more a prisoner of time than position. If he played the 4 he couldn’t keep up with the Rashard Lewises and LMAs of the world. He’s a back to the bucket big in an up tempo world, regardless of position.
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It would be downright embarrassing for Lewis to try guarding Jefferson on the block.
I think Jeff could stay with LMA. He runs the floor well, but he’s not particularly quick off the dribble, like Amare’.
Yeah..
….but the other team would just switch their center around on defense. Also, that would depend on him having another big around…which, I suppose, is the best argument in the Lopez v. Love argument.
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It...
…looks more and more like Sessions was signed to be insurance if Flynn busts. Mid-season trade?
Sessions and Gomes...
…are getting moved. I’m calling it. They can be put with Cardinal and Blount to give some value to a team looking for a salary dump.
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what's his name?
The Kings have the best bench I’ve seen. There are easily 14 guys on this team good enough for every bench in the league. Now if we could only get some starters, I’d totally jizz in my pants.
Kings fan
It looked like a product of
both of their stupidities.
I’m not sure how that was stupid by LMA. You have to try to go get a lob pass if you are the running big man. Is he supposed to let it fly out of bounds?
free bayless
Dude..
…was running his defensive lane and went to the ball at its highest point. Throwing that pass in traffic is what created the situation. If it was dirty, yeah, that would suck but it was just two guys going hard for the pass.
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I am just a bit sensitive as Rudy is still hurting from the Ariza hit. His back hasn’t been the same since.
free bayless
Both teams would have made the same play
it sucks. But it’s true. It’s not nearly as bad as getting grabbed around the neck. And it’s really not either one of their faults completely.
He made a play on the ball
Same as LMA did. If you defend LMA with your intelligent logic, you defend Corey with that same logic. Thanks
The pass...
…is what put both of them at risk. Brewer made a good play to the ball.
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For being the slowest pace of play team, the Blazers sure are outrunning us
Did they speed up? Or are we just that slow?
portland commentator:
“They look like they’ve been running all their lives, but really it’s just been one game.”
No, this is the first game the Blazers have ever done this. McMillan surrendered playcalling duties to Miller.
free bayless
A good idea
I’ve felt the Blazers should have always been a running team with Webster, Outlaw and Fernandez on the wings, and Aldridge being more of a face up big than a low post bruiser.
I will never get..
…why they didn’t try and get Lawson and go to being an up tempo team. They’d kill people.
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I even had a nickname for him… Joey Lawson… because he is short and has a little wingspan… like a baby kangaroo.
That would’ve been nice. the team is committed to Bayless, though.
free bayless
With Lawson..
…they would have put together what I’d love to have seen for the Wolves: pass first point who can stick the mid range game with long 6’6-6’9" runners and a huge center.
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Maybe they did, but Denver had the Charlotte pick that is worse a lot more than a Blazers pick
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
You guys should keep Jawai. He looks cool
The Kings have the best bench I’ve seen. There are easily 14 guys on this team good enough for every bench in the league. Now if we could only get some starters, I’d totally jizz in my pants.
Kings fan
He's surprisingly..
…athletic. Has some weight to lose but he can really spring.
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And he runs the floor a lot faster than a guy his size looks like he could
Not getting left behind by any means
I doubt we gave up a 2nd round pick
just to cut the guy we were taking in.
Good D from LMA
A <6footer just got a shot over him.
lol c’mon now. I’m not a huge LMA guy, but are we criticizing him for letting a small, quick point guard getting a jump shot? He’s supposed to play the drive first and shot second, I’d guess.
free bayless
I'm mostly just giving you guys some crap
But with only a few seconds left on the shot clock. I would defend a little closer.
Most of Bedge sees him as nothing more than maybe a one or two time all-star (if the team is good in future years, they will be given three all stars, probably).
I am okay with him not letting Flynn drive by. Jump shots are a lot better for us than big men foul trouble and lots of free throws.
free bayless
Progressive lady bad...
….or Bret Michaels at Grand Casino bad.
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Flynn....
…needs to drive into the lane more in this game.
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ugh
not looking good. I would like to see Sessions and Flynn on the court at the same time. Just for the hell of it.
Down by 22 and the commentators are talking about...
…the Wolves being “right on that next [lower] level”. Mmmmm optimism.
This would really be a perfect game
to put Sessions in with Flynn against Miller and Blake… Now or never. I guess we’re going never.
Nice defense from Brewer there
Not even a dangerous play. From the angle I saw it didnt even look like a foul.
It's nice that Jawai is...
….looking for the open man, but you probably don’t want to pass to your point guard in a clogged lane. He’s done that twice now.
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We're just such a bad defensive team
We’re not even to the level of making the right rotations. Portland’s getting wide open shots from everywhere.
Even with all the changes, we have the same problem as the last two seasons
When Al isn’t scoring, we can’t generate any offense.
Hard to tell
We obviously don’t have the pieces in place to score without him. Flynn is developing into another scoring option, but his offense is limited right now as he learns the triangle. And Jefferson isn’t 100%
On the other hand, we put Al in a very difficult position playing him at center. He’s out of position and playing against players a lot taller, longer, and more athletic than him. Guys like Oden, Bynum, Bogut, etc have always given Al problems even before the injury.
Al is out of position on that end of the floor period
Bargnani tore him apart. Dirk would destroy him even more. He is tremendous guarding guys like Duncan who are slow and mechanical. Well…. tremendous might be taking it a bit too far. But my point is that he can guard the slower big guys best. And those usually arent the PFs. It’s all about matchup. I’d rather see him guard Dampier than Dirk. I’d rather see him guard Bosh than Bargnani (granted both will tear him apart). I’d rather see him on Perkins than Garnett. You get my point? Sometimes the PF and sometimes the C. Depends on the matchup.
Or as the announcers though: Ellington
But no, last time I checked, over the back includes piggy back rides.
Well...
Game is ugly and Dave from BlazersEdge is not all that funny.
Anyone want to let the announcers know
that Damien Wilkinson doesn’t play for the Timberwolves?
More announcer crap:
Making fun of the Timberwolve’s invisible PGs. Apparently we still have the PGs that we drafted at the request of another team. And Bassy. And Bobby Brown. And Antonio Daniels. And Chucky Atkins.
It's really surprising..
…how bad they are. Holy crap. I get to listen to a lot of announcers with LP and those are some of the worst in the league.
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My vote is for Bucks announcers
Two years ago they called Rashad McCants, Rashard all game. And they also discussed how the game should be easy for the Bucks because the Timberwolves were so bad (mind you this was from the start of the game and it ended up being a close one). The Bucks are awful. Definition of a team that can’t do anything but 500 basketball. I’d rather see MN on the ups and the downs than the Bucks. I wish I had been there to ask where all their fans were on that night. And that’s coming from a Wolves fan…
They just got reminded of him by how Jawai looks
Mike Rice always likes to tell stories from before the war
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
I think he'll get more as the season goes on...
it’s becoming painfully obvious how bad our perimeter shooting/scoring is. Ellington might already be our best perimeter scorer — he just needs to realize it and feel confident in taking more shots. He’s got a pure stroke.
Anyone else get the impression
that he is in the dog house? I like his game though. I think he will be tremendous for us a year down the road.
Well on a night where no one
except Damien Wilkinson could get a positive +/-, we could have used The Custodian.
Sorry for those of you who had to listen to our homer announcers, Mike and Mike.
They aren’t the worse in the NBA, I don’t think, but I would hate them if I wasn’t a Blazer fan.
But...
…at least you know what you’re getting with Tommy. It’s entertaining in that sense. These guys were just jokers. It’s always fun to listen to Tommy and Mike Gorman come up with new levels of homerism. There is something to be said about watching the world’s best at something…and homerism is definitely something.
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Well, winnable game tomorrow for sure
Golden State is like New York’s defense crossed with Memphis’ feuding. Even the Kevin Martin-less Kings can beat them.
What this game shows us is basically a microcosm of what we need to get to the next level. Length and defense in the post, scoring on the wings.
Better luck in the future Wolves fans.
Not sure what else to say.
" Well...Game is ugly and Dave from BlazersEdge is not all that funny."-- saudagg of cAnus hoopis
That's really all that can be said
We’re in year 1 of rebuilding, and it shows.
But we have a ton of assets and a smart guy in charge of using them. I’d much rather be where we are than where teams like the Grizzlies, Kings, Bucks or Bobcats are.
I agree with you in general, but I do think the Kings have more talent than they’re given credit for. Thompson and Hawes are really producing so far, and Casspi is a baller. I’m not nearly as high on Evans as everyone else, but he’s a nice talent as well, and he’ll get tons of run now that Martin is out..
When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story.
who is the smart guy you refer to?
I’ve been wondering why Wolves fan haven’t called for the head of Kevin McHale. The only thing of accomplishment I see he has done has been to set up his old team at the Wolves expense. Dubious draft picks and a hodge-podge of players assembled. I saw no fire or hunger in the eyes of the T-Wolves players last night, and honestly it’s not that much fun watching your team steam-roll a bunch of guys who could care less.
" Well...Game is ugly and Dave from BlazersEdge is not all that funny."-- saudagg of cAnus hoopis
you do know that McHale
was let go…didn’t you? The “smart guy” is David Kahn…also known and the new GM of the Wolves.
by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 9, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
Who was the stiff coaching? (no disrespect I do dig the wolves, and hope to see them suceed in the west again)
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."
-Dave
Amusing
but do I touch lingering resentment towards anything LA? Well, that collapse in 2000 was one for the ages.
oops
I guess I saw that pic of McHale and Love and spaced he was gone… Do Wolves fans generally resent what he did to the program?
" Well...Game is ugly and Dave from BlazersEdge is not all that funny."-- saudagg of cAnus hoopis
we resent
his lackluster effort. At least try to make your team better with a well thought out plan. He just kind of mailed it in from Hibbing.
by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 9, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
God I love this site!!!
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."
-Dave
who wouldn't?
" Well...Game is ugly and Dave from BlazersEdge is not all that funny."-- saudagg of cAnus hoopis
I feel dirty for being here.
*grins
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."
-Dave
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