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The caption on this picture says that Jonny Flynn is battling Steve Blake and LaMarcus Aldridge during the first half of their game.  In reality, Flynn had lost control of his dribble and simply fallen over in the lane, dropping the ball into the hands of a Portland defense who was willing and able to relieve him of possession.  Such was the night for the Wolves.  These are the sorts of contests where you really hope that the Wolves' coaching staff knows what they are doing because to the fan's naked eye, there really wasn't anything that went right.  Nothing. 

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Star-divide

We all knew this was going to be a long season.  We all knew the Wolves weren't going to be world beaters.  Most fans know that the Wolves have put themselves into a situation with a solid organizational future filled with cap space and draft picks.  We know that the new coaching staff is installing a system with a high learning curve.  We all know that being a Wolves fan in 2009/10 requires a load of patience.  

All of that being written, there are some quarters, some halves, and some nights--even this early in the season--where even the most patient amongst us has to be wondering "what the hell?"

David Kahn started his tenure by priming the pump for an expectation of a two point guard system.  He drafted a bunch of points, signed one more, and then hired a coach who won't put two points on the floor together.  Al Jefferson, the team's highest scorer and best paid player, is looking completely hampered by injury and by a system that seems 100% not geared to utilize his talents.  The team's best all-around player is out for 6-8 weeks with a broken hand and will probably take a few weeks to get back in the swing of things once he finally finds his way back onto the court. 

I give this team about a 2% chance of finishing the season with its current roster.  Something is going to give.  Someone is going to get moved.  This is a good thing.  This team has a lot of assets and, by all accounts, they have a hard working VPBO who is willing to make the big deal.  The problem for us fans is that the current product is...well, what are we supposed to feel about it on nights like the ones against Milwaukee and Portland?  This team was blown up in the off season and it looks even more mismatched than last year's group.  Yes, Jonny Flynn is intriguing.   Yes, it looks like Kurt Rambis and his staff knows what they are doing, but can this franchise weather the storm of unwatchable ball with players who are likely not part of the long term plan?  Who on this club can you be sure will be around in 2 months? Really, even Al Jefferson has to be put into question at this point.  He looks like a square peg out there...a square peg who can't play defense and is 30 pounds more mismatched at the 5. 

It's not that they're not playing hard.  It's not that there aren't some things to be excited about, but...well, I don't think I really appreciated just how much Kahn's early dealing put this entire franchise into a state of flux and how that would affect my interest in what is going on out there on the court.  I will watch the games because I love pro ball and the Wolves are my favorite team, but watching the squad against the Blazers I couldn't help but think that we're going to see about 10 more changes to this team in the next year and that I have more allegiance to what might happen than to whatever Pecherov, Wilkins, Cardinal based rotation we see run out on the floor.  Jonny Flynn can put up 20 points a night but the most exciting thing about this club is still its cap space and draft picks.  That's crazy. A lot of people have emailed me to ask me when I think the Wolves will "turn the corner".  My answer to this is the moment we stop talking about draft picks and cap space for about 10 games in a row.  For now, it's more entertaining to talk about things like whether or not Big Al is a fit or whether Ryan Gomes and Ramon Sessions will get traded before the end of the year.  That's a bit more problematic than I thought it would be at the start of the season.

Getting around to the actual game, here's the Four Factors:

Pace Eff eFG FT/FG OREB% TOr
Minnesota 94.0 98.9 48.8% 14.5 21.3 16.0
Portland 123.4 54.3% 32.9 29.3 13.8

 

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The most disappointing aspect of this particular game was a complete unwillingness of anyone in blue to attack the paint.  Greg Oden is a nice young center and the Blazers have a lot of young athletic wings who can make that sort of thing a bit of a pain, but if you are going to win in the NBA you need to attack the rim and get to the line. 

Another disappointing thing of note was the Wolves getting out-assisted 35 to 19 and out-rebounded by 10.  Al Jefferson was in full Black Hole mode, drawing the entire offense to a grinding halt whenever he touched the ball while taking a good 5-6 seconds to set up a one-handed push shot that rarely was on mark.  Nathan Jawai repaced him and proceeded to find Ramon Sessions twice in the middle of the lane where he could do nothing with the ball because he was surrounded by nothing but trees.  On too many possessions, 3 or 4 Wolves just stood around and watched. 

As for the rebounding...the less said about that the better. 

I don't have any bullet points for this game.  It was completely non-descript on the part of the Wolves.  Jawai had some nice moves, Gomes played OK, and Corey Brewer found some time to make a few good hustle plays as well as keeping the Wolves from getting ally-ooped on a couple of times. 

The last thing I have to say about this game is that I hope whoever gets to stick around for 2-3 years remembers this one.  I hope they remember the Blazers taking 3s and going for the Sports Center dunks while being up by 25 (quick side note: how in the world did Ramon Sessions get called for a foul when Martell Webster jumped on his back?).  This is one of those tilts that you have to file away in the revenge file.  The Blazers came out and kicked the you-know-what out of the Wolves and they kept on kicking when they were down.  I'll never hope an injury on anyone but this was one of those games where you were kind of hoping Jawai or Brian Cardinal would have put someone trying a 3 while up by nearly 30 on their back.  Perhaps the Wolves aren't even at that level of play.  Maybe there's nothing long term for the majority of these guys to protect.  Whatever the case, here's hoping someone remembers what kind of crap was put out there last night and does something to change it when they get the chance with a better surrounding cast somewhere way, way, way down the line...well past 70+ more games of wondering who will get to stay or go, and what, if anything, will be done with all that cap space. 

Until later.

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In all fairness

we played Bayless like 18 minutes. All our starters played ~25 minutes. It’s not like we had the starters out running up the score, we had bench players that are hungry for minutes trying to show the coach something.

Can’t really hate too much for that ya know.

I’m hoping by luck or by pluck that Ya’ll come out of the draft with Cole Aldrich and Evan Turner. I think an Aldrich/Love front court would be very good (if also very white). Evan Turner is just the kind of wing ya’ll need.

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on Nov 8, 2009 11:10 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Turner/Aldrich would be awesome.

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by Xand1 on Nov 9, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

fair? fair!!! lol there was nothing fair about this matchup.

it’d be like Portland playing L.A w/ roy out, and Aldridge, at least that’s How much I do believe some of our friends here Think of Kevin Love … right, I mean he is worth a Greg Oden and a Lamarcus Aldridge in a straight up trade right?

/s

The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.

"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."

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by faith on Nov 9, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

thinking of this post

The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.

"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."

-Dave

by faith on Nov 9, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Just don't go there

I for one enjoy thinking of this game as foreshadowing of where we’ll be in 2 years (beating the snot out of some other rebuilding team despite our best player scoring only two points and our backups playing much of the game.)

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Nov 9, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Blazer fan here

Not sure why you think we were rubbing it in. It was actually the exact opposite. Did you see ANY starters the ENTIRE 4th quarter? I didn’t. And the bench guys are all fighting for hard-to-come-by minutes. To imply you wanted one of your players to intentionally injure one of our players is a little over-the-top. Also, how can you not praise the Blazers at all? They played extremely unselfishly and executed very well. I was not aware that Wolves fans disliked the Blazers. I wish you guys good luck the rest of the way (except against the Blazers)

Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!

by axel360 on Nov 8, 2009 11:23 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

oh they just hate us in this site

and they hate Przybilla. In all fairness, they got Telfair indirectly from us and we took Roy, I’d hate us too.

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on Nov 8, 2009 11:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Read the original post again

It’s not about injuring anyone. It’s about dumping some fool on his ass when he is jacking up 3s against an overmatched opponent. And that’s exactly what Laimbeer was telling his guys to do after last night’s game. We’ll see what happens next game.

by nextmove on Nov 9, 2009 5:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you

Pretty much anyone who has played organized ball has been on the wrong side of one of these games before and when the other team goes up by a ton and puts in their scrubs who jack up a bunch of 3s in the final quarter, it’s time to dish out a hard foul.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 9, 2009 6:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

In all fairness about the "jacking up of 3s"

The Blazers-especially Rudy Fernandez- haven’t found their rythym from 3 pt range this season and I think they were just trying to get a groove going from beyond the arc since they had wide open shots. Plus they were at home and you’ve got to give the sell-out crowd something to be excited about during 4th quarter garbage time. I believe the Blazers play Minni again this week and I’m sure they won’t show off quite as much in Minni’s arena.

by jenstcy on Nov 9, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

god I hope they do.

then maybe mini will get serious about putting an actual coheasive team on the floor instead of random good talent and calling it a team.

I’m still not over the drafting of 2x pg’s in the top 10 for a team w/o a great center.

The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.

"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."

-Dave

by faith on Nov 9, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and then not doing ANYTHING about the gapping hole at Center. (well, maybe the aussie will work out but ..)

The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.

"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."

-Dave

by faith on Nov 9, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

because there were tons of center prospects in this draft. LOL. Beggars can’t be choosers. Let’s face it…the wolves are beggars at this point. You take who you can and try to wheel and deal.

Side note: Would that make Kahn like the guy from wheel of fortune?

by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 9, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

memphis got a "ok" center out of it I think...

but I don’t pretend to know how good he is, I just know the 2x pg, in the top 10 was a strange move, and one of them picks could have gotten something that Mini needed instead of loading up 5 pg’s (at the time).

I reaaaaallly hope it all works out though. :)

The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.

"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."

-Dave

by faith on Nov 9, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

  1. Thabeet kind of sucks
  2. he was picked at #2. At #5 and #6 there were no viable C prospects.

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by Xand1 on Nov 9, 2009 11:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thabust

His absolute ceiling is Dikembe, but more likely he’ll end up another Oliwokandi.

by nikolokolus on Nov 9, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Surprised the Clippers did not take him then

Free housing in Donald Sterling’s Racist Arms Luxury Apartments. What’s not to like about the organization?

by uncle rico on Nov 9, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

there had to be someone somewhere!!! maybe not worthy of the #6 pick, but..

trade down, get something else along with a mediocore Center …somethin…..

but when Rubio comes over and does what he does, and Mini is ubber good, I’ll eat my words…

I dunno though…. there was another center darn it, I just can’t get the name off my tounge…. (or there wasn’t and I’m just as dumb as my friends from the edge think I am )

uhhh… jordan? deandre? idk…. no? mind you Im’ dumb.

The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.

"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."

-Dave

by faith on Nov 9, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

BJ Mullens was pretty much the only other center prospect, unless you want to count undersized power forward/center combos. Deandre Jordan was in the 2008 draft, he went in the second round. Teams have really learned the giant risk of taking a big man with attitude/motor/basketball IQ deficits after Kwame Brown and Olawakandi became such huge busts. I’d rather have a shot at Europe’s best point guard than waste my time hoping that BJ Mullens will learn to play with heart.

If the Wolves were to have not drafted Flyn, the non point guard options would have included, Terrence Williams, Demarr Derozan, Jordan Hill, Earl Clark, Austin Daye, Tyler Hansbrough, James Johnson, Gerald Henderson, Victor Claver, and Ommri Casspi. None of those players would have helped our interior defense very much. I think if I had to pick one, it would be Terrence Williams. He looked pretty good playing for the Nets. Earl Clark, Austin Daye, and Victor Claver all seem pretty intriguing too. It would have been pretty cool to pair Rubio with fellow Spaniard Claver, who sounds like he would be ideal for the pick n roll game. A 6’10’’ combo forward with three point range, decent athleticism and opportunistic defense. David Kahn definitely would’ve turned a lot of heads drafting Claver at 6 though. Gotta give props to Pritchard for taking a shot with Claver.

by oblivionspocket on Nov 9, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There's just such an enormous talent deficiency

I mean Portland’s bringing guys like Rudy Fernandez, Martell Webster, and Joel Pryzbilla off their bench. Those guys would start from most NBA teams, and when you put those three plus Outlaw and Bayless on the floor…that’s pretty much our starting lineup, if not better.

The focus for us right now has to be executing the offense, because once again, we got away from it. I can live with missing shots if they’re good shots, but tonight we didn’t take good shots.

Also, we let Portland beat us down the floor way too much. That shouldn’t happen even to a team as inexperienced as us.

Portland really exposes the fundamental weaknesses of our team. They have a go to scorer on the wings, we have none. They have all kinds of shooters, we have none. They have length, athleticism and defense in the paint, we have none. Most fans are awaiting the return of Love, and I think he will help some, but he doesn’t solve any of our big problems. He certainly doesn’t make up for the talent or experience difference between us and a team like the Blazers. But he can’t hurt either.

As for our cap space and trade assets, I’m not expecting anything until January at the earliest. It makes more sense to see which teams start falling off and decide to burn assets to get under the cap and start over. Right now, there’s no one ideal for us on the trading block, so might as well wait.

I’m still very intrigued by the idea of trying to get Rudy Gay and Hasheem Thabeet from the Grizzlies. Normally you’d say no team would give away a talented wing and their second overall pick so soon or for cheap, but keep in mind: it’s the Grizzlies. We all know what happened with the Pau Gasol trade. They’re still pushing the cap this year and next, which their owner hates, Gay and Mayo are feuding, and now Iverson has deserted them. If we can get them for less than equal value, which seems likely, I say we do it. Gay is exactly the kind of scoring wing we need. Thabeet….is a project, but there’s a lot of raw material to work with, and he at least fits our needs on paper.

Until something happens though, we’re not going to win much. Although tomorrow is certainly a winnable game.

by Oceanary on Nov 8, 2009 11:48 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Jefferson

The Anti-Al propaganda is already in full swing, after a mere 7 games of action.

How was Al in full Black Hole mode, in this game? He took 11 shots in 25 minutes, dished out 3 assists, and was a starters’ best (-2) for the game.

When Al didn’t have the ball, there was a lot of Jonny Flynn dribbling around and eventually firing a tough jumpshot. Or Corey Brewer running around, catching and shooting a contested J. The only guy who got himself open for decent looks was Gomes.

I’m not saying that Jefferson looked great — I agree that he is still clearly not 100%. But there was nothing wrong with the way he went about playing offense in this game. He is, and will continue to be for as long as we don’t have a superstar guard, the team’s best offensive option. It’ll take him a while to get back to 23 & 11 type of consistency, but there’s no reason to call into question how he plays offense.

by Andy G on Nov 8, 2009 11:57 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

It's odd that Jefferson constantly gets cited as a "black hole"

Not that I disagree, because our offense does completely gear down when he gets the ball. But he is consistently getting high assist numbers this season. Second on the team in APG so far this year.

I think Jefferson needs to be given at least until the all star break until we make a real judgment on him. The triangle is a steep learning curve system, and he’s the one that’s going to have the hardest time adjusting because the old system was built exclusively for him.

by Oceanary on Nov 9, 2009 12:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The knee is the big thing...

I think the knee is by far the biggest reason that his production is down. His minutes are being cut and his energy level looks lower than last year.

But I agree, it’ll also take some time to adjust to the system.

I just get annoyed with the Anti-Al sentiments that come through at an alarming rate on this blog. You don’t have to call him a superstar, or even an All-Star caliber player, but calling him anything less than this team’s best player is a complete joke by any measure. Love isn’t back yet, so we can’t really see how he’s improved from Year 1 to Year 2. Unless it’s in the “leaps and bounds” category, he’s not anywhere near the overall presence that a healthy Big Al is. He would say that himself, I think.

by Andy G on Nov 9, 2009 12:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

League Pass has the game on archive. He went into tunnel vision mode at least 5 times last night. Even the announcers made mention of it.

I don’t think there is anti-Al sentiment here so much as “holy crap, this guy’s game doesn’t fit with what they say they want to do” sentiment. Yeah he’s injured but he’s a back to the bucket player who, if they are going to move him out of the block, is more of a pick and roll guy rather than someone who can play the pinch post and move the ball around. They were running older sets for him last night and the rest of the team just sat there around the perimeter. The reason he had some assists were because the entire Portland team realized he was their only marginal threat and he had some pretty obvious looks. Saying he was the team’s best player is damning him with faint praise against a squad that was miles and miles and miles beyond the talent that the Wolves fielded last night.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 9, 2009 6:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I’d agree with what you’re saying, but all of last season, even when Al was playing at an All-Star level, there was the same type of criticism. Right now, there is plenty to criticize, if you ignore his knee condition. But, I think we can fairly assume that he’ll get better and back to his old form.

And if a great scorer goes into tunnel vision 5+ times in one game, that sounds pretty normal. With a 24-second shot clock, there are naturally a lot of possessions that only have one or two passes. Other players on the Wolves had tunnel vision of their own at times. Flynn more so than the rest.

I’m not arguing, and never have argued that Jefferson is without flaws. But it’s just odd how there’s always an overwhelmingly negative reaction to his play on this site. It was the same last year, so I don’t buy the stuff about the system.

There seem to be a lot of posters that pine for a college-type of game and offensive system, with tons of running, passing, screening, and cutting. There is a place for those things in the NBA, but not nearly to the degree that there is in the world of zone defenses and helpside defenders that can camp out in the middle of the paint. The NBA is about super-skilled players that have more room to operate. It’s why guys like Big Al can consistently get 20-30 points and are so important. That’s true in the triangle offense as well, at least judging by Pau Gasol’s importance to the Lakers in recent years. He’s not their first option, but his low post play seems to be pretty important to what they do.

by Andy G on Nov 9, 2009 8:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad...

…that Kahn came out at the beginning of his tenure and said that he thinks Al is a 2nd option on a championship team. Along with his supreme offensive scoring talents, he is supremely flawed when it comes to playing a team game and defense.

To be completely honest, I don’t see them winning with Al. It started last year before he got hurt and its only gotten more pronounced with the new regime. Al isn’t as good as Pau. He’s young but he’s not that young and he now has a knee issue on the resume. I think Zach Randolph without the baggage is as good as it gets for him.

All of that being said, he has very little around him and maybe he’s one of those guys who plays at a level relative to his teammates and we all just need to wait until he has a legit wing player, a real 2 guard, and…well, here we are again talking about things that aren’t on the court. It’s all speculative because this team could have another offseason where 8 or 9 guys are voted off the island.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 9, 2009 8:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Z-Bo without the baggage?

That’s Al’s ceiling?

by TheH on Nov 9, 2009 8:19 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Here...

…is a comparison of their careers during their first 5 years in the league.

MP/game: 27.8/27.4
FGA/game: 12.2/12.4
FTA/game: 3.7/3.7
reb/game: 8.5/7.2
ast/game: 1.0/1.4
to/game: 1.6/1.9
ppg: 14.9/14.4

Jefferson has a higher FG% (Z-Bo shoots more jumpers), he rebounds at a slightly higher clip, and he has the advantage of being The Guy for a bunch of his games, but we’re talking about a similar impact between the two players.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 9, 2009 8:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

BTW:

This isn’t to say that I don’t like Al or that I wouldn’t want him over Z-Bo (I do). Rather, that it’s not a given that we’d see a whole lot more improvement from the guy and some players are who we thought they were even at 25. Maybe the only reason Big Al is a 20/10 guy is because his shots went from about 12/game in Boston to 18-20 in MN and his Dec/Jan play from last season is the top shelf of his talents. That’s the point I’m trying to make here. I’m not sure there is a lot of reason to believe that he can improve much more at his age and with his team and injury history, or that he can change his game from what we think it is. I’m glad the Wolves are changing but their best player seems to be the most inflexible guy on the team.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 9, 2009 8:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's interesting.

I guess my incredulous response was offered, more or less, out of a “say it ain’t so!” type feeling. Interesting statistical comparison, by the way. I’m gonna have to think about this a bit.

by TheH on Nov 9, 2009 8:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think that Al is a 23 & 11 guy because of his low post skills. Most people who watch him think he has either the best or second-best set of moves in the world, alongside Tim Duncan.

Since we lose so many games with a rookie backcourt, no Kevin Love, and Al’s repaired knee, the emphasis will shift instead to Al’s mediocre defense and passing. If Al played with Kobe Bryant, and was winning 65 games, he’d get the same type of praise dumped on him that Pau Gasol does. That isn’t even debatable. Winning cures everything, and in the NBA, you need talent before anything else.

by Andy G on Nov 9, 2009 8:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you're totally right...

he’s just like Tim Duncan, except for the rings and all that winning stuff. Which, frankly, is just fluff anyways. F winning, giving me a 20-10 guy!!

by DougW on Nov 9, 2009 9:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

corret me if I am wrong

but AG wasn’t saying that Al was better than Duncan. Far cry from it I would say. So why the comment?

by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 9, 2009 9:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed...

…Andy is just making a point about winning being important and that Al is a gifted low post scorer. I disagree with him about the comparison to Gasol but I get what he is saying and I think it’s a very reasonable point.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 9, 2009 9:11 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I am saying

That it is ludicrous to even mention them in the same sentence. Duncan is top 10 all time, Al is a one tool player.

by DougW on Nov 9, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That doesn't mean that

a person can’t compare a young up and comer (a highly subjective designation) to a future HOFer in Duncan, who whether you like it or not, is on the downside of his career. Is he still one of the best? Absolutely, but his knee injury and the pounding that he has taken over his long career have taken their toll.

A comparison would be Shaq (who is much farther along the downward decline than is Duncan). Top 10 all time (arguably), but not top ten in the NBA right now.

So what’s with the sarcasm and the “ludicrous” type attitude? I prefer to save that type of stuff for when someone makes an LMA better than Lebron!!! type comment.

by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 9, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

because you take away the defense, the passing, the selflessness (ie the stuff that leads to wins) and Tim Duncan is Zach Randolph too. His low post game is just one piece of what makes him a great player, while Al’s low post game is the only thing keeping him in the NBA.

And to me, comparing Al Jefferson to Tim Duncan is just as outlandish as LMA to LeBron.

by DougW on Nov 9, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude

AG was comparing Al to Gasol…not Duncan. The Duncan piece was limited to offensive post skills.

I get it. You think Duncan is sweet! But let it go already. No need to subvert a comment string and get a valid point obscured with a minor tangentially related point.

by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 9, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You’re arguing with a guy who would swap Al for Horford straight up. Bear this in mind.

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by Xand1 on Nov 9, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

good point

but why not just bring back the kandiman instead? :)

by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 9, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t mind the sarcasm. I dish out plenty, myself.

But, I try not to ignore the content of the post I’m replying to. In this case, I compared Jefferson’s post game to Duncan’s. Many would agree that it’s a fair comparison.

Doug read that, and took it as “he’s just like Tim Duncan.” I’m not sure why.

Also, regarding “one-tool player,” I think Doug is ignoring a fairly important aspect of the game that all Kevin Love fans enjoy, that being rebounding. Jefferson has averaged 11 rebounds per game for the past three seasons.

And if you really want to look at the whole picture, and do a fair analysis, you could look at Jefferson’s 1.66 blocks per game in 2008. That’s tied with Emeka Okafor for 12th in the league — 1 spot and .02 behind the one and only Tim Duncan.

But that’s probably deeper than Doug wanted to look into it. It’s easier to point out the obvious, which is that Tim Duncan is a better player than Al Jefferson. Even if it’s not responsive to the post being responded to.

by Andy G on Nov 9, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This is like my Dream Post

1. The issue isn’t that we need guys that can create their own offense. I tend to have more confidence than you that Kevin Love will get to this point (Last Year’s Utah Game being the reason for my confidence). I’d love Derrick Favors on this team

2. The issues boil down to what type of team you put on the floor. When you start putting together a team of slashers and penetrators (Flynn, Sessions, Brewer) whose game is dependent on getting into the lane- you would prefer to have bigs that can draw defenders away from the basket or be mobile enough to cover ground quickly.

3. Al’s a horrid defender there is no other way to put it. If we had a talented defensive big- like Varejao. This transforms our Defense overnight to the detriment of our offense. Although our offense gets helped by being better in non-scoring phases of the game (Setting Screens, Passing, Off-Ball Movement)

by Jose Cordoba on Nov 9, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's just not true.

He’s a great low-post offensive player and an excellent rebounder. That’s two tools, at least.

by Princely Frank on Nov 9, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That unfortunately seems about right

Al doesn’t seem to have the off-court troubles and is more palatable to the media. And overall a smarter player. But Z-Bo does have similarly pretty post moves, and a decent mid-range to outside shot (he shouldn’t take as many threes as he does, but he has some range). An ability to gobble up rebounds that fall in his range (not that he would box out a lot). And like Al his weaker end of the court is definitely the defensive end. This year he has also become a better passer with the Grizzlies than he was in previous seasons, which is a bit surprising.

But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart

by Norsktroll on Nov 9, 2009 8:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Al is a video game down low sometimes
He went into tunnel vision mode at least 5 times last night. Even the announcers made mention of it.

There are definitely times when Al Jefferson behaves like a video game player whose “layup” button has just been pushed. It’s like there’s a set of animations assigned to him, and once you push the button you’re just watching.

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by feral on Nov 9, 2009 9:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's funny.

Like when you accidentally bopped the “shoot stick” with your thumb. Your dude is doing an elaborate layup into a block while you’re mashing buttons, “Noooo! Paaaassss!”

by Princely Frank on Nov 9, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly what I'm thinking of.

Whoever’s mashing buttons behind Al has taken to hitting the “layup” button when he’s just inside the three point line this year.

Meanwhile another user is attempting a lot of jump shots with Brewer, but hasn’t figured out to let go of the button at the peak of the jump. Sigh.

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by feral on Nov 9, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

In this context

I think Brewer’s results are more similar to what happens when you accidentally press the layup button instead of pass or shoot when you’re at the 3pt line and some ridiculous-looking shot clangs off the rim. The “desperate, awkward, mangled heave” animation that results from that accidental mashing fits Corey pretty well.

by nja700 on Nov 9, 2009 6:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

These games claim to do

individual motion captures. Imagine the variety necessary for #22. They’d have spent months!

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by feral on Nov 9, 2009 7:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What's wrong with playing for 48 minutes?

The fans payed for 48 minutes of basketball. it doesn’t mean “until you feel comfortable with your lead, then stop.” Shooting threes when up by 30 isn’t a crime.

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by jamon51 on Nov 9, 2009 12:47 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Thanks for coming over here to tell us that.

Means a lot. I wish there would have been blogs back in the Jailblazer days. I would’ve gone over there every time someone got arrested. Then again, that’d be almost every week.

by BDavige on Nov 9, 2009 1:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd be a little peeved if it was the Blazers headed for a 10-15 win season

Tough to be patient under those circumstances.

Am being genuine too – not trying to be spiteful.

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by MadBlaze on Nov 9, 2009 3:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't really venting my frustration towards the Wolves

Nor do I need you sympathy. I just found it funny that one of your guys came over here to defend running up the score. He actually went out of his way to do that. It’s like the guy who enjoys talking about the enormous size of his member when in reality, it’s the smallest there is. Just sayin’.

by BDavige on Nov 9, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

but we didn't run the score up...

in fact we tried to make it seem more even….

N that is what he’s defending,…..

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by faith on Nov 9, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

More even?

Sorry, but running up the score does conversely does not mean the Blazers were trying to make it seem more even.

by uncle rico on Nov 9, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

but we didn't keep trying to crush the twolves into the pavement...

had we kept our starters in there, the score would be much more loopsided as it is. if we could have put the ushers in the game to spare our backups from an uneventful injury we probably would have the game was soooooo won by the 4th, that’s what Im’ saying,….

we didn’t “try” to run up the score, our backup, backups just didn’t let Mini get back in it… or Mini didn’t try hard enough to get back in it.

we didn’t ask for what your team gave ours, they just gave it up like a dog in heat.

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by faith on Nov 9, 2009 5:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And this is why Blazers fans are increasing reviled

As a Blazers fan I will say that while I didn’t think the team was trying to run the score up, I can understand where the feeling might come from. I wish certain Bedgers had more class than to come over to a rivals site and rub it in.

by nikolokolus on Nov 9, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Who was rubbing this in?

I posted the comment because it irritates me when any fan of any team (including the Blazers) thinks that a team should stop playing because the score is lopsided.

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by jamon51 on Nov 19, 2009 3:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think he feels outnumbered

Can’t blame him, I think I read the same amount of T-Wolf comments as Blazers comments on this post…

All I can say is chin up, it took Portland 10 years to get good again, and I see potential. Sorry about Kahn’s draft, let’s hope something good comes of it. And I heard this summer might be good for free agency…while I don’t think LBJ is in T-Wolves threads next year, plenty of others (including Rudy Gay, who will be in the middle of the pack) and plenty of unrestricted guys. Most important thing for Minnesota is to make their roster attractive to star players. I’m sure you guys have talked about this, but the faces of a lot of franchises are going to change, and who knows who will be the next San Antonio, Boston, Portland (teams who made great leaps through free agency, trades and the draft).

by sparks89 on Nov 9, 2009 3:43 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Congratulations for living in a different time zone

This post went up at about 11 o’clock PM Central time. However, I think you can gauge the reaction of Wolves fans over on the live game thread… Come back and check Hoopus again. You will find that posters here are not looking for any sympathy after getting Flynn, Ellington, a first rounder in next year’s draft and the rights to Rubio.

by nextmove on Nov 9, 2009 5:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Empathy

Blazers’ Edge reader dropping by. Reading the game recap brought back memories of the Blazers 3-4 years ago, when things felt just as grim as they must for T-Wolves fans now. Those were the days when Zach Randolph and Sebastian Telfair (oh, I see you’ve met) were the bright lights of the franchise’s future. All I can say is, don’t give up on your team, however masochistic cheering for them can seem at times.

by iCollective on Nov 9, 2009 5:49 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Things don't feel that grim for the Wolves now

Thing is, we’re not watching the likes of Zach Randolph and Telfair at the moment, are we? The Wolves are just out from under that, sitting on a passel of young talent and about to see a big cap window open up.

It’s a click later than the Jailblazers’ last gasp.

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by feral on Nov 9, 2009 9:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed...

..as much as it sucks on the court, there is tremendous optimism for what they are sitting on in terms of roster flexibility, cap space, and draft picks. They could turn this around in a hurry if Kahn plays his cards right. Of course, it could also go south but let’s not talk about that ;)

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 9, 2009 9:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How do you feel about the free agency potential?

I’ve always not been much of a fan of relying on free agency, especially for us small market teams.

The draft and developing your players is the thing to rely on… and knowing when to sell high, if you can, to get pieces that fit you better. But the draft is most important of all, and the best (sometimes ONLY) way small market “unattractive locations” type teams like Portland and Minnesota can get A-level talent.

It takes time, but you’re more likely to keep ‘em long term, and it’s always nicer to have a guy be “yours”.

Do you personally have high hopes for this cap window? I’d hate for you guys to overpay someone like Rudy Gay…

You guys are definitely not in as bad a place as we used to be. We were AWFUL. That pretty much changed in one draft, with two lottery picks and a great sell-high trade of Telfair. I see no reason, with talents like Love and Friends, that something similar won’t happen as well. The cap space will hopefully be seen as gravy, and not be the focus of how to really improve.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Nov 9, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think..

….they will work a trade involving some of the following players for a wing player like Gay or maybe Thad Young: Brewer, Gomes, Cardinal and Blount. They’ll then hit free agency and try their hand at the best they can get, likely someone like Joe Johnson. I think a large chunk of their free agent potential has to do with them being able to talk to a free agent with a core of Love, Jefferson, Flynn, and a traded-for wing player and convincing him that this is something to build on. Maybe that’s enough. I don’t know and I’m very interested to find out.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 9, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I could see someone of the Johnson, Felton, Gay, … category coming to Minnesota in free agency. That LeBron & Co. should choose this team over others that can sign close to 2 max players as well seems a bit far fetched. Even though market size doesn’t matter much anymore, market place does matter. And Wade already started complaining Chicago and NY wasn’t as warm and fun as Miami. Seems weird, but those things do still matter.

But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart

by Norsktroll on Nov 9, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wade is newly single and living life up

I think he’ll prefer making more money in a place he prefers, over going home to Chicago or to the media blender that is NYC.

—M

by Mortimer on Nov 9, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Since there's very little to take away from this loss...

… that hasn’t seemingly been stated already, it’s time to start thinking of absurdly imbalanced trades we could make involving Sessions, Gomes and contracts. Any ideas?

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by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Nov 9, 2009 7:14 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Could someone do me a favor...

… and make a few comments on Jawai last night, since I couldn’t watch the game? His +/- is scary, but the box score is otherwise nicely dressed.

by TheH on Nov 9, 2009 9:42 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Jawai

He had his Pech moment.,

by WinTheLottery on Nov 9, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Big dude with good hands and some decent touch around the hoop. He seemed to develop a little chemistry with Sessions toward the end, getting set up for a bunch of close in hoops. Those two connecting was probably the only bright spot of the 2nd half. I’d be tempted to run those two together to see if they can keep it up, because the bench lineups we were putting out there were proving completley and utterly incapable of scoring. Might as well see if those two keep clicking.

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by Xand1 on Nov 9, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He showed he could get where he wanted to go on the court

When matched up 1v1 and has some court vision. Even though it was extended garbage time, he was good enough that I’m not going to chalk it all up to that.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Nov 9, 2009 11:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bench guys...

Bench guys played the majority of minutes in the second half and that isn’t enough? What do you want them to do? Dribble out the shot clock and hand over the ball and say “you shoot it now”? As someone else mentioned, they are all competing for minutes. I could see your point if maybe Roy and Aldridge were out there playing all-out in the fourth but it was freakin bench guys.

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by lrh86 on Nov 9, 2009 10:20 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

How about not throwing constant alleyoops

Or jumping over players’ backs to try to dunk the ball? I’m not against shooting when open if those are the shots being taken in the game, but you’re completely forgetting the 3-4 times they tried alleyoops in the 2nd half or the time Webster jumped on Sessions to try to dunk an offensive rebound.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Nov 9, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

players who want to start shouldn't stand around and not do anything,

was it our BENCH trying too hard, or YOUR starters not trying hard enough to prevent bodies from getting the position they were getting?

I would sugest ripping into your team about what they wern’t doing instead of pointing out the effectivness of the oppositions efforts.

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by faith on Nov 9, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Again...

these are BENCH GUYS trying to compete for minutes on a very stacked team. You take what the defense gives you. If the defense gives you wide open shots, dunks, and alley-oops you take them. Especially if you are trying to get minutes in more games.

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by lrh86 on Nov 9, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Umm...

There’s a difference between passing to an open teammate for a layup and throwing an alleyoop. And for the record, Brewer broke up a couple of those. It wasn’t the only avenue to get an easy hoop. I didn’t say they shouldn’t take wide open shots, but then again, that wouldn’t fit into you being completely correct and smart.

Plus, Martell Webster climbed on Ramon Sessions’ back to try a follow up slam in a 25-point game. That’s the epitome of what I’m talking about. It was an over-the-back foul that was called wrongly and would’ve been a stupid play by Webster if the refs had called the foul, especially since Webster was hurt most of last season. That’s not playing the correct way to impress the coach; it’s the opposite.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Nov 9, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You just aren'

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by lrh86 on Nov 9, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You just aren't getting it

They are showing EFFORT to gain playing time.

Yeah that foul was called the wrong way. That was definetely an over-the-back on Webster.

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by lrh86 on Nov 9, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Just because our team looks like a little league team

doesn’t mean you need to treat them like a little league team. These guys are all getting paid to play 48 minutes. If they don’t want teams hitting 3’s or throwing alley oops against them then they should play some defense. There’s not problem with the Blazers playing hard for 48 minutes and taking the Wolves to the woodshed. I would expect nothing less from our bench players if we were ever good enough to be in that position.

by Bethke on Nov 9, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Martell has become our hustle/defensive player

AND he just lost his starting spot to the 3-guard experiment we’re trying out.

I don’t see it as him trying to rub the Wolves faces in the loss, but him wanting to do well, impress the coach, and as a player you instantly react (without considering the ramifications of how it will feel to the fans of the losing team) and try to do the cool play. He sees the ball caroming off the rim and just reacts.

If any of our guys were doing things they don’t normally do… like Joel Przybilla shooting 3’s because it didn’t matter… that’s another thing. Rudy’s shot has been off, so he’s trying to get it right in game time situations, Webster wants minutes, and until late in the 3rd no lead can really be safe.

Bayless is DESPERATE for more minutes, so he’ll try to do all he can every second he’s in to try to earn more. It wouldn’t matter if we were up 50, he wants to penetrate and get to the line. I know it’s annoying, but he’s doing what he thinks is best to earn minutes.

I understand not wanting our guys to be bad sports and purposefully try to show up the other team, but I think there is more to it in this situation.

I am against rubbing the opponents face in it, but our bench has motives and desires that go past that.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Nov 9, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But I see your point further down below, Stop-n-Pop

I agree, the Wolves would be fine knocking someone on their butt to show they really care.

Not hurting them, but saying NO.

Brewer broke up a few highlight plays, so he got it.

M—

by Mortimer on Nov 9, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Brewer..

….definitely gets it and played like it. He threw himself in there to break up two highlight plays. They need more of that.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 9, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I remember one stretch during the 21 win season

(The year before we got Roy), we had 3 or 4 straight 30+ point losses. It was awful. Just not competitive from the opening tip.

You just sit there hoping we take out someone on the other team (not injure, but send a message), but no one does anything… no one cares. No one really identifies themself as a Blazer in that scenario, just as a NBA player trying to get through the game.

No sense of team.

I think that’s pretty common with fragmented, developing teams. Like you guys say, now you got a system you want to permanently implement and a new guy in charge. You’ll get guys who care, and ‘get it’. Just annoying to watch until then, because guys know they aren’t going to be there long term so they won’t stick their neck on the line and foul someone hard.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Nov 9, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Players should be sending a message by playing good defense, not undercutting a player and possibly ending someones career. There is nothing wrong with a good hard foul but undercutting is not good practice. You send a message by setting a good hard screen or wrapping a driving player up hard. A well placed elbow would also do the trick. Taking someones feet from under them while they are in the air is flat dirty.

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by lrh86 on Nov 9, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Who deliberately undercut someone? Brewer made hard plays on the ball to break up some highlight reel plays, but he certainly didn’t try to take anyone out..

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by Xand1 on Nov 9, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

At least twice that I can remember there were plays when the Wolves defender had no shot at the ball and they went up and upended portland players. Not sure if they were both Brewer.

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by lrh86 on Nov 9, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Going up to try to get to a lob when you can’t see the guy behind you doesn’t count as “undercutting” someone. The fault there rests on the guy throwing a bad lob that puts his teammate in that position instead of making a safer play.

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by Xand1 on Nov 9, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's all there, I hope the management can pull it together and find us a player/coach type leader to teach this young team how to be great.

The coach of Mini didn’t seem into this game at all. at all, I didn’t see em emotionally charged the least bit about the lack of movement for Mini.

Honestly I think a Avery Johnson would wipe this team into “focus” mode in one year, and then bring in a Van’gundy type shortly after the team fazes out the bully (unless the bully is a loved bully ala Nate Mcmillian).

Keep your heads up mini, it’s comming again for you, you’ll have your glory once again.

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by faith on Nov 9, 2009 10:22 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

for the record

“taste the tears” is an awesome line.

by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 9, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not smugness... more like condescension.

Blazer fans want you to enjoy your beatings. They don’t understand why you aren’t grateful.

by MiledAnimal on Nov 9, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I remember this nonsense MildAnimal, it shall be remembered and owned.

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by faith on Nov 9, 2009 11:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

:)

I don’t mind being the bad guy, nor do I mind being an all too convenient scapegoat over all the “trolling” and “condenscension” and… “sympathy”, so as long as the sillieness of the whining over we got our butts handed to us doesn’t turn into this…..^^^

I never minded the back and forth between teams fans, enjoy it infact… and look forward to the days again that I get to defend my team with my irrational spew of drivval, here’s to that day being decades off, but it’s to come sooner than later. (unless of course your a laker fan who never seem to have to suffer the lottery or sub .500 seasons, weird hu, god I hate em)

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by faith on Nov 9, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I used to play racquetball every Friday after work with my best friend.

One night we were both going all-out. We split the first two games, but he won the third and deciding game. I was super pissed. He tried to placate me, but the more he said, the madder I got. I finally had to ask him to leave me alone for a few minutes until I calmed down. He did and I did, and we went out for dinner and had a great time as usual. Wolves fans don’t need or want our sympathy, our empathy, our advice, or our company. If I were one of them, I’d be telling us to take a hike, too.

by MiledAnimal on Nov 9, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

.......

But…. but….. ….but…. ghrhrhrhrhrhhrhrhrhhr….. fine!!!

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-Dave

by faith on Nov 9, 2009 5:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think concern trolling...

…is precious.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 9, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't

Faith can take his empathy and shove it!

by Menyun on Nov 9, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i can sing it in C flat if you like...

Our Second unit just mopped the floor with an entire NBA team.

An NBA team that should be poised to return to greatness but isn’t becuase their coach is a pansy and can’t control wanna be gangbangers, and their overrated Powerforward is injured, oh and thier herald’d genuis of a GM is a bone head who drafts 2 high profile pointguards one right after another, and not only that, but in the incorrect order.

oh and KGkGkGkg!!!! haha ha ha ha…

but i didn’t go and go there now did i… it was fun and games until someone gets their feelings hurt, then… I guess we’ll call it…

a Sport!!

on the real, we’ll see you in a few more day’s again…. and we’ll see.

I"m out.

The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.

"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."

-Dave

by faith on Nov 9, 2009 5:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Don’t go!

by LoveTo on Nov 9, 2009 9:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"Concern Trolling," I love it!

Straight from Portland.

And how would we classify NY Knicks fans with their “You have no choice but to trade us Rubio” ranting? Perhaps “Large Market Logic”?

by BDavige on Nov 9, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Those are still my favorite...

…visitors. That was a special time in Wolvesville. My favorite was the one where some guy tried to explain just how much the Wolves needed Nate Robertson after Jonny Flynn was taken in the draft.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 9, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't fret all the B-Edgers

The majority of the vocal among them are simply big mouthed bandwaggoners that have no real understanding of the NBA anyway. They like to talk and see their words in print. Many are younger kids who think they are All Knowing. Two games ago most of them thought the world was going to end and were condemning players, coaches, mgmt and ownership in despair. They’re funny like that (and there’s nothing funny about it to long term fans who have to put up with it). It used to be a pretty decent site but ever since they brought on Ben Golliver it seems to have attracted a certain attitude and element and has unfortunately gone downhill. That being said, this idea that PDX was “running up the score” is complete bunk. It’s not like someone shooting a three at the horn just to say “in your face”. Three point shots are fairly large part of our standard offense. They were simply playing the game and nothing more.

by R11 on Nov 9, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I know hu!!! freakin bandwagoners...

gives a nasty look towards R11…….the nerve!! the disdan, the arrogance just ooooooozeees from them.

mmmmmm hu!! it does!!! what to think of the cowards who coudln’t be proud of a 21-61 team. what to think of disloyal treasonous swine…

they almost got my team moved to seattle!!! jerks n e way ….

/S

the faith laughs.

The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.

"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."

-Dave

by faith on Nov 9, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It depends

I think sympathy can be condescending, and I do apologize if anything I’ve said comes across like that.

We’re different teams with different situations, but both went through some periods of bad management that got the team in bad trouble. For us, it wasn’t really the Jail Blazers, it was the trades and short sighted moves that led to it and then Nash and Patterson’s bumbling in the front office.

You guys just changed your front office around, and for us it made a world of difference, so I see that similarity between our teams.

I’m not trying to say “don’t worry kids, someday you can reach the stars like Portland, who got beat soundly in a 1st round matchup with a homecourt advantage”. I’m just saying, I know it’s tough in this situation, but you got some good pieces and the draft is a great way to make your team good again.

It will suck in the meantime, but watching the key players develop is fun. Of course, Love is out, so that makes right now extra annoying.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Nov 9, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I've replied more often on other sites when we've been killed, such as with Houston.

But the only times I’ve ever replied to a lottery team being handled by the Blazers was on the Sactown Royalty, specifically because I wanted to comment on how Spencer Hawes looked like a MUCH better player than I had him pegged as.

The Kings fans didn’t take it as me coming in to try and patronize them. “Oh you adorable little things. Isn’t that Hawes guy nice… if you don’t have Oden anyway.”

It wasn’t at all what I was saying, and it wasn’t the way they took it.

I actually came over just to read the other perspective on the game, as I do with all games, and felt no need to reply, except to this, where you seem to blatantly be taking out frustration not even on the players of the other team, but on the fans of the other team.

It’s easy for a lot of Portland fans to feel bad about such thorough wins over lottery teams, because a lot of Portland fans understand how lucky we were to get a series of perfect trades that cleaned up our roster in the span of two seasons. That just doesn’t happen in the NBA, and if Pritchard was tasked with doing it again I doubt he’d be able to. There’s just too much chance involved, no matter how good your executives are.

I don’t know about other people, but the only time I feel compelled to comment on another team’s blog is to have a conversation about basketball, not stroke the ego of player that are payed millions to do their job.

by JordanLeDoux on Nov 9, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's great that you mention...

That Minnesota has more than one professional team without a hint of smugness at all. Pure class.

If you guys are so bitter as to not be able to recognize genuine empathy from fans who love their team and have just recently emerged from the dark ages themselves, then bad luck really.

by TheMadKiwi on Nov 11, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

In response to everyone who responded to the OP

It’s one person. So far most of what I have read has been very respectful (minus “Dave’s” post on BEdg and a few comments about all of the (2) PGs we have). That being said, we don’t need sympathy and this doesn’t sound much like sympathy. I loves me some thoughtful analysis and conjecture. As long as it isn’t trolling like some people do (I think most of us here at Canis remember DaJoka, a New York guy who turned everything and anything into something about Rubio and how he belonged in a Knicks uni).
I actually like seeing the flip side of the coin from your guys’ perspective and I hope you keep coming back. I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that SnP probably runs the best site here on SBNation from those that I have seen. ALWAYS good analysis and a lot of people could take a lot from reading it. I know I have. What I don’t like is the type of stuff that went on in the LMA v Love debate. Very few BEdgers came here with good thoughtful analysis. They ridiculed JoseCordoba (I believe) when he used some logic. The arguments about why LMA were better were not very good, or at least the good ones were few and far between. Most were just saying how he is a better player than Love because he scores more points and plays better defense. No backup or anything. AND the best part is they were comparing a 3rd year player on a good team to a rookie with low PT on a terrible team. I like the analysis, just not the opinion statements. So far, I haven’t seen much of this and I appreciate it. This is getting a little long so I will cut it off, but thanks for not being DBags so far! Hopefully (most) of us have given the same non-DBagishness respect.

by Mplax on Nov 11, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you

I’ve had a soft spot for the Wolves for a long time, many years before I left New Zealand. Besides, how could I not love Minnesota? It gave birth to Hüsker Dü!

by TheMadKiwi on Nov 12, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Just remember...

In a debate, just because you don’t agree with the opposition, does NOT mean that they don’t have good arguments. I think if you go back and look, there were some on the Love side of the debate that were attacking the posters on the LMA side just because they decidede to use a different, yet valid, approach to the debate. Not everyone values the same statistical measures used to evaluate different players. I don’t want to get into the argument all over but don’t try to insinuate that your side of the debate was all in the right.

Blazersedge mods suck

by lrh86 on Nov 12, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ooops, excuse me -- Steve Blake played 2:17 of the 4th Quarter, scoring 0 points on 0-for-0 shooting.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Nov 9, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

cummmon timmmbo!!!

you know blake should’t be starting so he shouldn’t count

The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.

"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."

-Dave

by faith on Nov 9, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry..

…it doesn’t matter who is playing. Think of it like a football game. You don’t air it out in the 4th even with the scrubs. I don’t care what the Blazers choose to do but I don’t think a hard foul on a team putting up 5 three pointers while up by 25 in the 4th is unheard of.

I think you illustrate very nicely what most people on this site think about the Blazers and their fan base. It’s not always about you. This is about the Wolves not taking it in the face while a bunch of 2nd and 3rd stringers jack up a ton of points in the 4th. It’s about telling the other team “ok, you’ve had enough and you can jack up whatever you want at this point in the game but we’re not about to let you have 3s and layups.” Of course they should have played better. Of course they should try to stop those sorts of things with solid defense and good play. However, sometimes your roster just doesn’t have it and you have to make up for a lack of talent with some pointy elbows…not when the game is on the line but when it has gotten out of hand.

Also, who on earth would think that we expect the Blazers to dribble out the 24 second clock for the last frame because of the Wolves’ positive self-esteem? Again, it’s not all about the Blazers and their fans. The fact that you are even able to look at this sort of thing from that point of view is baffling to me.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 9, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Let me provide a concrete example of why your philosophy is dangerous

Trying to “send a message” by committing a hard foul or just committing the kind of foul brewer attempted on those alleyoops is a nice motivational idea in theory, but as a blazer fan I have seen it go wrong. If you remember last year, the Lakers dropped two games against the blazers in the regular season, both at portland. In the first game, Rudy Fernandez was injured by Trevor Ariza while attempting a high flying dunk attempt with the blazer lead at 28, trying to up it to 30 at the end of the 3rd. I was at the game, and remember the fear I felt, which was mirrored on all the faces in the arena. None of the laker players were happy that he had to be taken to the hospital, that he had to be wheeled out on a stretcher. They didn’t wish him to be injured, but it happened because they didn’t want anybody to get easy buckets, so they committed a hard foul which could have been much worse. The lakers still lost that game by double digits, but because of their pride one of our players was injured. You can’t blame Rudy for that. He didn’t force Ariza to make that play.

That’s why all blazer fans were concerned when Brewer appeared to undercut the cutter on the alleyoops, because we were reminded of that visual spectacle.

"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"

-Ron Artest

by premthegrem on Nov 9, 2009 9:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It sounds to me like what SnP is saying...

… is that the PTB should have stopped playing and allowed the Wolves a measure of self respect so there completely embarrassing and uninspired effort didn’t cause them to have to behave in an unsportsmanlike fashion. His football analogy is spot on. The PTB should have inserted their third team squad and taken knees on each possession because anything else could end up causing fans to be taking such a lopsided loss personally and advocating for retaliation when clearly none need be warranted.

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by bow4meow on Nov 9, 2009 9:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Alright, everyone needs to relax. This is a new system with mostly new players – it’s going to be painful. Hell, even the relevant players who aren’t new are coming off major injuries. There is going to be some waiting time before anything watchable comes out of this team, but eventually it will. Just like last year and January. Yes, part of that was Foye hot streak, but another, bigger part of it was that the team was learning to trust each other and play together. We weren’t going to tear it up for the rest of the season, but I firmly believe the quality of play would have remained enjoyable for the rest of the year had Al not gone down. Eventually these guys will start to gel, buy into the system and learn to play together (and Love will be back), and we’ll have something much more fun to watch. It’s just not going to happen overnight.

I’m going to draw what I feel is a very appropriate analogy: Right now, the Wolves are a turd lying on the lawn. Of course no one wants to watch a ropey coil of stink lying there on the ground, and it’s hard to believe that it will ever be anything other than a pile of poop, but we need to keep the faith, because inside that disgusting log lies the seed of a beautiful rose bush.

Yes, it is going to take time before that bush takes root and starts to sprout, but the foundation is there for a beautiful garden, we just have to give it time. Luckily we have a gardener with the means to acquire some excellent soil and some potent fertilizer to help speed up the process, as well as the smarts to bring in some assistants who really know their gardening. It’s just going to take some time for them to put that knowledge to work.

When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story.

by Xand1 on Nov 9, 2009 11:45 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

:)

I agree with you but I think there is still a practical matter of us having rooted for turds for the past 5+ years. At some point it gets a bit old and I’m tired of being more excited about picks and cap space than I am about the on-court product.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 9, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Very true, except in the past our head gardener was ice fishing up north instead of tending to his garden. This current guy actually seems willing and able to put in some work and usher in the changes that the old boss couldn’t.

When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story.

by Xand1 on Nov 9, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope so...

…because he’s in a position to really make some huge changes this year.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 9, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, his past moves and statements sure give the impression that he has every intention of making some big moves. We really should be crossing our fingers that he does it right, but at least we have some hope!

When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story.

by Xand1 on Nov 9, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A very Panglossian assessment

which is perhaps most needed. Yet until the Wolves get a bona fide superstar, a #1 to Al’s #2, they won’t be going anywhere. Even with great talent, there needs to be chemistry and good coaching. I’m actually quite optimistic about Rambis. But the talent level is still sorely lacking. We all need patience but S n P’s remark about “rooting for turd’s” (new caption for CH, perhaps?) is well taken. The gardener needs a green thumb, too. McHale obviously didn’t have it. Does Kahn? Stay tuned.

by uncle rico on Nov 9, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The talent disparity between the Wolves and the good teams in the league is almost disgusting when you break it down. The Magic have the best C in the league, a consistent 20 ppg shooter in Lewis, a well-rounded wing in VC and a PG who can light it up from anywhere. A healthy Nelson would barely be our 2nd best player, and he’s probably #4 on that team by a significant margin. Or the Lakers, who have a top 10 all-time player, a legit all-star who’s probably better than Al, a monstrous young C, a versatile matchup nightmare off the bench in Odom etc. etc.

So yeah, there’s a looong way to go for the Wolves talentwise. There’s certainly no doubt about that, but there is a foundation here that is capable of playing better ball than they are right now.

When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story.

by Xand1 on Nov 9, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree completely

Disgusting is an apt adjective here too. Coaching will also figure largely into how much the teams makes of whatever talent level it has. Thinking back to that 2004 run to the finals, they certainly had good talent and chemistry. But I think Flip was good at maximizing his roster talent (until 2004, at least), too.

So, I am anxious to see how Rambis manages this current group. But I’m not expecting more wins than last year. We’re definitely competing with Memphis, Golden State, and New Jersey for bottom dweller status.

by uncle rico on Nov 9, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The one nice thing...

about our situation, compared to Memphis and Golden State is that we’re working with a clear plan to build from the ground up.

It is frustrating to get blown out, and last night won’t be the only time it happens. But, we don’t have a 30+ year old malcontent like S-Jack or Iverson disrupting the process of rebuilding, while simultaneously ruining their own trade value.

Ricky Rubio is coming in two years. By that time, I hope that Kahn has assembled a team that plays to his strengths. In a perfect world, we’d show improvement this year, and make a semi-aggressive trade for a scoring wing. We’d then draft another big man in the loaded draft crop, preferably one that is more mobile than Love and Jefferson. Then we’d win enough games in 2010-11 to not give up a Top 5 pick to the Clips. Then Rubio joins the fun and we’re a playoff team for the next foreseeable future. That’d be good.

by Andy G on Nov 9, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A Nelson Muntz call out

to Memphis. “Ha ha, your franchise stinks.”

by uncle rico on Nov 9, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And I wasn’t trying to be too “Panglossian” to use your obscure Candide reference :) I certainly don’t see these guys competing for much beyond pride this year, but my point was that what we’re seeing now is not (hopefully) the same quality of ball we’ll be seeing toward the end of the year. These guys are in total disarray right now, and it’s pretty yucky.

When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story.

by Xand1 on Nov 9, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And

I wasn’t implying “too” Panglossian (just very). Actually I do feel that optimism is a good thing. Deep down I’m a closet optimist. But the post above on the Magic snaps me back to reality. Or the talent level assembled by Boston or LA. But if there is no hope in improving then there would be no point in following this franchise. Someone wiser than me said, “even a blind squirrel will chance upon an acorn (small lettered)” when McHale drafted KG. So a squirrel with better vision certainly is more promising.

Finally, on this site, I don’t mind throwing out references or allusions because the cultural IQ and literacy is so high here. I don’t need to worry about the virtual equivalent of some guy snatching off my glasses, grinding them into the ground, and calling me a nerd. (Nelson Muntz “haha” sound effect please)

by uncle rico on Nov 9, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Extra points..

….for a Candide reference with a remark about gardening. ;) They definitely have to tend to their own.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 9, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You forgot

Piles of poop are not bad fertilizer in and of themselves! So we are another step of the way! Our pile of crap is our current roster, and the rosebud is Corey Brewer! Wait…. I mean Rubio and future draft picks.

by Mplax on Nov 11, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Al

I think it would be interesting to see how well Al actually played if we had legitimate wings/outside scoring. Its kinda like the Vikings last year when we couldn’t pass the ball and relied completely on the run and every team knew it was coming every time. Except this year teams don’t really have to guard Al too closely cause he’s not making baskets on a regular.

by JiveLive on Nov 9, 2009 12:00 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

0.02

I could care less what fans of other teams have to say about the Wolves. Newsflash: no Wolves fan is unaware that their team has less talent than the Blazers. Different situation, different time. This isn’t a rivalry in any way, shape, or form. By the way, which franchise has more playoff series wins since the 00-01 season? My guess is none of you have the balls to go talk smack with the fans from real winners like San Antonio and the Lakers. Weren’t the Blazers the team who, in ’03, deliberately lost the final game of the regular season to drop to the 6 seed and avoid the Wolves “juggernaut” that was KG, Wally, T-Hud, Rasho, Marc Jackson, Kendall Gill, Gary Trent, Rod Strickland, and Joe Smith?

As for the team I actually care about, it was pretty clear this was Portland’s night when Andre “I learned how to shoot by watching tapes of Bob Cousy” Miller was draining 3s and jump shots. Aldridge was aggressive on offense, was rewarded for it, and the Wolves showed that a guy like the Rhino would’ve been nice to have during Love’s absence (even though his rebounding is partially offset by his negatives). I’d like to see Jawai continue to get minutes if he can become more of an enforcer down there — surprising that a team with Laimbeer and Rambis on its staff doesn’t have a team giving more hard fouls to prevent layups. I’m waiting until after the season to evaluate Jefferson, thought the team reversed the ball well at times and got some open corner shots because of it, and hope Gomes learns to keep his feet behind the line to turn some of those corner 2s into 3s. Not a good stretch for the team, but I still think they’ll be better off if they can turn 1-2 guys who supposedly don’t have a future w/the team into #10-11 guys in the rotation.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Nov 9, 2009 12:01 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I understand as much as anyone that you have new players, new staff, new coach, and

that it takes time for things to click.

That said, I would like to see Kahn and/or Rambis produce some positives on the court before joining any bandwagon (is there one?) for either. Churning potential into the future is not the same as achieving.

I’m getting flashbacks to the Bill Blair days with Jawai logging minutes.

by Punisher#8 on Nov 9, 2009 12:13 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking...

…more along the lines of Jimmy Rodgers.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 9, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ouch

If you were wondering, I’ve got Jawai pegged in the Marques Bragg role. Jawai fans might upgrade him to Sean Rooks.

by Punisher#8 on Nov 9, 2009 12:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

potential?

Draft picks and cap space might excite some, but it doesn’t bring any fans to games. None. This team, as composed now, is overmatched (especially when we play good BIG teams, like the Blazers) and the coaching staff/GM seem insistent on gearing their master plan towards a style of play that doesn’t fit virtually anyone on the team. Having another fire sale on the few remaining big league players we have (Al, Gomes, Sessions) should serve to make everyone real happy. Let’s just keep forwarding any possible success well into the next decade. There won’t be any fans left. There won’t be a franchise in Minnesota left. Maybe that IS the master plan.

by ogishkemuncie on Nov 9, 2009 12:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Woe!

When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story.

by Xand1 on Nov 9, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I miss Sprewell...

Sam, Hassell, Johnson and KG (minus wally). That team was so well built and had good chemistry, had Sam not gotten hurt, probably would have beaten the lakers and been a better matchup with the Pistons. That’s what the Wolves are missing more than talent. Granted the talent isn’t great, but they have a few pieces. Even Portland is going through chemistry issues. The three guard lineup won’t last forever, and as soon as the stop winning and Roy doesn’t get a lot of touches, its going to be bad. But Minnesota looked like they haven’t played together much. Noone knows where they should be spaced. It’s seven games into the season, a few injuries and the expectations are low enough that there just need to be patience for another 2-3 years, a la Blazers in 2004-2007

by Grey Home on Nov 9, 2009 12:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I believe Ramon Sessions was on top of Joe Pryzbilla first and then Martell Webster

climbed on top of him. I just heard it on the radio in Portland and the Portland announcers were surprised by the call ALSO..and then said..oh..Sessions was on top of Joe first. Like I said…did not see this myself but heard it.
Believe me the Blazers get their share of unfair calls also.

by Natsthecat on Nov 9, 2009 5:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

What?

Joe doesn’t normally crawl around on all 4s trying to sneak under guys like Ramon Sessions? I thought that’s why he was such a good rebounder.

by Mplax on Nov 11, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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