GameThread #: vs. LA Clippers
by wyn on Dec 16, 2009 6:00 PM CST
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Los Angeles Clippers at Minnesota Timberwolves, Dec 16, 2009 7:00 PM CST
After their comeback victory over Washington on Monday the Clippers should've been riding high. They were able to pull out a 2-point win after playing at least 30 minutes of ugly basketball. But such is life with the Clippers: they looked like one of the best teams in the League this preseason... on paper. But injuries and the curse of Clipperdom finds Dunleavy & Co. at 10-13.
In the previous two meetings this year, LA bested the Wolves but only by margins of 3 and 4. This is a team that the Wolves can beat. And at this point in the season, don't underestimate the power of even the smallest of losing streaks to build this team's confidence in each other.
Ryan Gomes will not play tonight, nor will he do so in the next 2 weeks while he nurses a high ankle sprain.
See Clippers Nation for commiseration about seemingly cursed franchises.
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We might actually win two in a row
Maybe…
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 6:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
well so much for me going to the game
insurance companies can kiss my ass…they expect a full-time college student to pay $1,000 every 6 months for insurance??? really.. F that
by TonyO on Dec 16, 2009 6:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
BTW, here's an interesting fact the Star Trib reported
No ex-Timberwolf Kahn traded or let go of this past summer is averaging more than 7ppg this year.
So I think we can safely say that McHale’s “We’re ready for a playoff push” opinion was a complete fail.
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 6:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This news shocked exactly 1 person in the world
The person, who requested anonymity, said that those players are not being used properly and are more effective in a “Smash Mouth” system.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Dec 16, 2009 6:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A "Smash Mouth" system
In which nobody could play defense or get to the line.
by nja700 on Dec 16, 2009 6:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Was that person Randy Foye
I seem to remember a lot of Wolves fans thinking McHale was right 8 months ago.
Then again, I haven’t seen 90% of those fans post anywhere in the internet since October…
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking for myself
In the fall of 2008, I had some optimism. It looked like Foye might become a decent starter based on his strong play to end the 07-08 season. Miller’s game made sense from the perspective of spacing the floor for Al, even if his age did not.
By the spring of 2009, I had long since given up any hope for that sorry crew. It was obvious the team had three NBA level players: Jefferson, Love, and Miller. And Miller was playing like garbage due to some wierd confidence or “playing the right way” issue. Miller is also due a new contract soon and is getting older.
I hoped Kahn would tear the roster down to the studs and he did. I was hoping for more of an immediately re-stocking through the Wolves many draft picks. However, Kahn ended up with two ‘deferred’ assets in Rubio and the Bobcat pick. So the team still looks miles away with three NBA level players: Jefferson, Love, and Flynn.
Hopefully next fall the team will be significantly restocked with talent.
PS: The initials of the person requesting anonymity are K.M.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Dec 16, 2009 6:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hehe KM
I dunno. I had given up on any hope of success on draft night 2005. At the time, I was honestly pretty indifferent about the Roy/Foye trade, but the instant McHale said Foye would be our point guard, I knew we were screwed.
I feel bad for Foye…I really do. He’s a good kid and he works his ass off. But he’s just completely underwhelming as pro player. Everything he was billed as being good at he’s been terrible at so far, and I think anyone who had actually watched him at Villanove (except, obviously, McHale…) could see he wouldn’t even make it as a converted point guard.
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad Foye wasn't picked
around 12th that draft. He would be looked at as a decent rotation player and have a twelve season NBA career. Instead he will always be the guy who was traded for Brandon Roy. It will dog him for twenty years.
by Rumblebee on Dec 16, 2009 7:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Miller is averaging 9.8...if you count Q-Rich he's averaging 8.2...
by TonyO on Dec 16, 2009 6:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Miller hasn't played enough games to qualify
Just 9 games all season.
And personally I don’t consider Richardson ever to have been a member of the team. Just like I don’t consider Blount a member. Though I can see the argument they both are.
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 6:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so now you're changing it?
Yeah, but you didn’t say “in ten or more games” when you made your initial claim. So the suceeding discussion was really just so much bullshit, wasn’t it?
Miller also has 6.1 RPG (among the best in the league for a SF), 3.1 AS, and a +15.56 Eff. Two games he played through a obviously painful shoulder injury, and the last game he was only in for 7 minutes before a pulled calf muscle took him out for December. Foye has had a hard time fitting in in Washington… I said earlier that it might not be the best place for him since there’s so much turbulence in the starting guards positions there and he needs playing time.
Nevertheless, just based on Miller’s contribution you’d easily get a 90% approval out of Wizards fans for the Rubio-Miller/Foye trade.
As far as Rhino goes, it would be worthwhile asking who KLove and Big Al would rather have playing alongside them – Hollins or Craig Smith. If Smith doesn’t get playing time his new bosses will never know how good or bad he is (a la Tyreke Evans). At 14.5 MPG and 6 PPG he’s down from his career 19 MPG and 8.7 PPG but his FG% is actually up to a very impressive .578 from .554.
You could have checked this all out for yourself before you jumped in with your pro-Kahn propaganda. It’s not like there were a lot of players to look up.
But you didn’t… and that makes me wonder why.
by artreddin on Dec 18, 2009 10:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a Michael Rand piece
I really hope people can finally quit whining about not keeping Foy and Miller. The Wiz are only a few games ahead of the Wolves (and about $15 mil in salary).
My biggest surprise in the article was how little Rhino is playing, especially with Blake Griffin being out all season.
by Rumblebee on Dec 16, 2009 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Smith's too one dimensional
Doesn’t really rebound, definitely doesn’t defend. He only looked good here by comparison.
The Clippers get more by moving Thornton to the 4 than playing Smith.
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 7:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Stands look pretty Pack...They look kinda pack...they look somewhat fu....I think i can see a tumble weed rolling around in the crowd
by TonyO on Dec 16, 2009 6:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That was me in my dusty McHaleCosby sweater!
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
by feral on Dec 17, 2009 7:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Atlanta fans are saying Thabeet might have just re-broken his jaw
Eeeshhh…
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 6:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Heres what John Hollinger tweeted about Thabeet
Thabeet bleeding, sent to locker room after colliding with Pachulia.
by TonyO on Dec 16, 2009 6:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Hawks fan I’m talking to said he was guarding Zaza on the FT extended, and Zaza drove right by him and kinda hit Thabeet in the jaw with his head or shoulder.
They’re trying to figure out if it’s a new break or compound damage on the old one.
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 7:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At 4 and 21 the Timberpups are exactly even with last years record to this point, it would be sweet to have Kahn make a trade to pick up Outlaw or another player who would help next year, but not play us out of the lottery this year. Any thoughts on an injured player who could be a major improvement on next years squad, but not cause us to lose the high draft pick this year?
by Dogpile on Dec 16, 2009 7:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He might work if toward the trade deadline
Don’t want him winning too many games in January. Someone on this site, may have been “Shrink” wrote about getting McGrady w/o really giving up much to save the Rockets luxury tax. I also saw that Houston could be interested in Sessions.
Try this one:
Rockets get:
Sessions
Blount
Cardinal
Wolves get:
McGrady
1st rounder in 2010 or 2011
About $3 mil cash
Houston apparently wants McGrady out. This would save them several million in luxury tax, and they have Sessions a few more seasons.
Wolves get a mid 1st rounder for Sessions. The Wolves fans get to enjoy watching McGrady. Wolves might also save some money because apparently any games missed by McGrady due to injury is now covered by insurance.
by Rumblebee on Dec 16, 2009 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At this point in his career
would McGrady even want to suit up for us?
by bheidge on Dec 16, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He would LUV it here
Where is can he play 40 MPG and score 25 points to get a contract for next season?
by Rumblebee on Dec 16, 2009 8:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Moderately reasonable
but I don’t think they would give up a first rounder for sessions just to get rid of McGrady… then again it won’t be a high pick.
by Mplax on Dec 16, 2009 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, especially true since they can just buy 3 to 4 Second Round Picks per usual
by Ebomb on Dec 16, 2009 7:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Outlaw's hurt
Won’t play the rest of the year probably
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate the Wolves hype guy that looks like Wally world
by bheidge on Dec 16, 2009 7:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Careful
He follows this website, according to S&P.
by Facial on Dec 16, 2009 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Careful?
all the more reason to call him a douche.
by bheidge on Dec 16, 2009 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're an idiot.
Mike is a cool dude if you get to know him…
by College Wolf on Dec 16, 2009 10:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
don't get why people hate on him
trying to keep the fans interested during the downtimes in what is already a nearly-unwatchable product while trying to shill klondike bars or whatever can’t be an easy job. i think he and natalie both do admirably. is it the fact that he looks like wally, or the fact that people need something to hate?
if he were the reason the players were missing uncontested shots, that’d be one thing. but he’s just providing “entertainment”.
once the team is good enough where the only thing you have to complain about is the timeout entertainment, i’ll be more than receptive. but my guess is that, if we ever get there, suddenly they won’t bother you so much.
until then, let’s keep it about the on-court product.
(this is the first time i agree with College Wolf.)
by losDelFuego on Dec 16, 2009 10:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He annoys me, too
but I think it’s 98% because he looks like Wally. Change your hair, Mike!
by princelyfrank on Dec 16, 2009 10:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One more in favor of Fake Wally
Even if he kind of comes off as a douche, you just have to learn to appreciate it. He’s reasonably funny and entertaining. I don’t know what more could be expected from him.
by John Doe on Dec 17, 2009 12:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Totally disagree
As the game stuff goes, the two announcer types are pretty low key. If you have season tickets for an entire year, you get to appreciating that they’re pretty consistent presences who don’t make your head split open.
On the other hand, I could so, so easily have done entirely without the “Timberwolves performance team,” every scrap of arena music, and the overamped fake crowd noises meant to prompt me to cheer “Dee-fense!” Much of an NBA game is calculated to sterilize rodents in the basement of Target Center. I don’t have season tickets this time, and that’s one reason why.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
by feral on Dec 17, 2009 7:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate all that too.
But the worst, IMO, is the Howl meter. Opposing teams’ players must think all Minnesotans are retarded. Who howls, really?
by John Doe on Dec 18, 2009 5:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh,
Most teams do the decibel meter in one way or another, and at least if it moves the crowd is responsible. What I detest is the piped-in bass voice with the “Let’s make some NOOOOOOOOIIISE!” that sets it up.
If I ran the league, or the world, there would be an absolute prohibition against PA systems saying anything but the extremely basic calls. “Al Jefferson. Assisted by Jonny Flynn.” Teams could hire bands, people could bang drums and ring bells and play the trumpet, but no amped sound, or at least not anything above a certain level. If there’s going to be an atmosphere, let it come from the fans.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
by feral on Dec 18, 2009 8:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As someone said in BATMAN
Where does he find this stuff?
by Rumblebee on Dec 16, 2009 8:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oden, we know even with his history of injuries, we couldn’t make a trade we could afford,
Rudy would no doubt cost us at least Love, Sessions and a 1st round pick, but I really like the improvement to the team and the triangle offense he could bring. Houston would love to dump T Mac, but I’m more interested in guys who help next year and don’t screw up the horrible year we have going so far. Outlaw seems like a natural for that, but are there others that come to mind?
by Dogpile on Dec 16, 2009 7:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No way it takes Love, Sessions and a 1st round pick
to get Rudy. He’s not that good. Love is twice the player that he is
by bheidge on Dec 16, 2009 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TMac
could help next year. Maybe he will end up with a “small” contract because of his history and the economy with the lower salary cap. Rumblebee above has an interesting scenario that could work, probably couldn’t get a first though, depends on the market for a guy like McGrady… which I assume is 1 or 2 teams.
by Mplax on Dec 16, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd ask for the 1st rounder, might settle for swapping
the Houston 1st rounder with the Utah 1st rounder.
by Rumblebee on Dec 16, 2009 7:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good call
move up a couple spots and dont have it protected
by Mplax on Dec 16, 2009 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW, I was trying this trade on the
ESPN trade machine about twenty minutes ago. Supposedly would work.
by Rumblebee on Dec 16, 2009 7:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At this point
Portland might be wishing they had not picked up Oden’s option for next season. Seriously, Oden may not be worth the Utah pick with the injury history he has.
by Rumblebee on Dec 16, 2009 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
With his injury history
would you trade the Utah pick for him? The guy may never play another NBA game, let alone be an impact player.
by Rumblebee on Dec 16, 2009 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course I would!
Heck, unless we win the lottery, I would probably be willing to trade our pick for him. He was the league’s best defender before he got hurt, and there’s no overstating how much that’s worth. Even if it’s a 50% chance he get back to that form, it’s worth the risk. Even if it takes him a couple years to get 100% healthy, he’s only 21.
by John Doe on Dec 17, 2009 12:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How does Dunlevy still have a job?
He’s milked that one finals appearance with the Lakers (nearly 20 years ago) for all it’s worth! Only Stirling would keep him around
by SoDakHmr on Dec 16, 2009 7:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Same reason Don Nelson still has a job
Some teams are stupid
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, love is averaging a rebound every 2 minutes
by Mplax on Dec 16, 2009 7:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
so is wilkins
and he hasn’t missed a shot, he’s on fire!
by Zev on Dec 16, 2009 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
atdhe is behind again
and rwbsports is playing the Cavs game first….
by Mplax on Dec 16, 2009 7:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was frustrated by an IE only stream
on channelsurfing.net:
by Facial on Dec 16, 2009 7:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yay for the vexcast player....
hurry up atdhe! Oh well, beggers can’t be choosers.
by Mplax on Dec 16, 2009 7:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Live Sports I’m coming to realize look a lot better on video than on streaming text
by Ebomb on Dec 16, 2009 7:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hollins has a basket
and we have 1 assist… coincidence?
by Mplax on Dec 16, 2009 7:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
On our team?
Probably only Brewer. He’s a tough cover for anybody. That big athletic body with that stroke? He’s always gonna be able to score. He’s pretty similar to Ben Gordon even if you forget the last names.
by nja700 on Dec 16, 2009 7:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
According to the boxscore,
we are playing 3v5… do you think thats a subtle shot at our team?
by Mplax on Dec 16, 2009 7:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Skinner's doing his best Pecherov impression.
Two quick fouls and a TO.
You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Dec 16, 2009 7:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whelp
Guess we feed the ball to Wilkins all night
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 7:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
When was the last time Sasha Pavlovic made a shot?
2004? 2006?
by Rascal Flatts on Dec 16, 2009 7:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why did the Wolves sign him??
One of about three Kahn moves I’ll never understand. Not significant, but ewe.
by Rumblebee on Dec 16, 2009 8:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Crap
Looks like this is going to be Baron Davis’ one good game of the month
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 7:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Usually an opposing team's goal should be
to bait Baron into shooting outside shots all night. The guy is just a horrible shooter, but yeah, he can get hot once in a blue moon. I just can’t believe how a guy like that just continues to hoist shots.
by Rascal Flatts on Dec 16, 2009 7:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s his career in a nutshell. Unstoppable in the post, unstoppable going to the hoop, terrible 3pt shooter, and yet he keeps shooting 4-5 a game instead of actually doing what he’s great at. So odd.
When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story.
by Xand1 on Dec 17, 2009 7:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta be one of the most frustrating players to have on a team. All-World talent that for some reason sees shooting 43 treys a game and hovering around 40% as good enough. The guy could be in the top 2 tiers of PGs if he played like he could/should.
by nja700 on Dec 16, 2009 7:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Noooooooooo
Robby does Wolves games now too?!
by Mplax on Dec 16, 2009 7:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well....that was certainly a no defense quarter
Kind of amazed we’re shooting over 50% when COrey and Jonny are a combined 2-8
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 7:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wow, Wilkins had an effective 1st...
definately seems to be a good glue guy. Not gonna win much with him in the starting 5, but wouldn’t mind him stickin around if he doesn’t cost much next year.
by SoDakHmr on Dec 16, 2009 7:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He's been possessed by the spirit of a passable NBA player.
I need a young priest and an old priest.
You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Dec 16, 2009 7:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
His mother sews socks that smell...
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
by mutleyil on Dec 16, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's had some good games this year
He doesn’t rebound like he should, but I’d hardly say he’s outright terrible
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 7:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sessions hit two free throws
In other news, hell has frozen over
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 7:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Then misses a wide-open 3
Hell begins to thaw.
by nja700 on Dec 16, 2009 7:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The NBA has to do something about...
About the whole charging/blocking thing. Calling it is so screwed up and inconsistent. Whoever initiates the contact should get the foul.
They could call it the “Dwayne Wade Rule.”
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
by mutleyil on Dec 16, 2009 7:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Stop with the jump shots
Get into the paint
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 7:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The way Gomes is breaking things down on the broadcast
Makes me think it wouldn’t be a stretch to see him coaching some day. Even just watching him play you can see that he really knows the game, at least offensively.
by nja700 on Dec 16, 2009 7:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Dammit Hollins....
….keep the ball above your head.
by Boss10 on Dec 16, 2009 7:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Then he does the fly by to give the guy an open layup
Hollins does a couple of things well: Hit the short jumper and dunk whilst under no duress. Oh, and he does a pretty good job showing hard on screen and roll. Otherwise he is a total disaster.
by Rascal Flatts on Dec 16, 2009 7:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And sweet stone hands.
You’d think someone that can jump out of the gym would be better at blocking shots.
by Boss10 on Dec 16, 2009 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Having a hard time...
Getting a handle on this game. There’s usually some trends or patterns emerging by now, but both teams have been very up and down.
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
by mutleyil on Dec 16, 2009 7:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Rumblelbee, I think you have a good post on the possible trade for McGrady and his expiring contract. I worry that he would really want to play now and improve any chance for one last long term contract he could get. I also don’t think that Houston thinks there is anything left in the tank as far as his game goes, I’d have to agree.
How does Sessions and Ellington for Fernandez and Outlaw sound? It looks like salaries match for this year at least and would definitely improve scoring at the 2 and 3 posistions next year.
by Dogpile on Dec 16, 2009 7:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Dude, enough with Outlaw
He’s injured
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 7:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And not even all that good when he’s playing.. He’s like a slightly better Gomes.
When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story.
by Xand1 on Dec 17, 2009 7:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we need a shooter than can create his own shot
I dont see that in either Fernandez or Outlaw
by bheidge on Dec 16, 2009 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Portland only does a deal like this
if they trade Blake or Miller first. When then happens it might be worth discussing. Otherwise I don’t see why they would want Sessions.
by Rumblebee on Dec 16, 2009 8:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Baron Davis...
Just took about 5 steps before that foul…
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
by mutleyil on Dec 16, 2009 7:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ya
Tonight we get the disaster version of Corey…
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 7:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
too many turnovers, not enough rebounds, not enough shots made.
wolves are having a really bad first half…
hopefully the second half will slay harder.
by davechisholm on Dec 16, 2009 8:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Our offense died
And we have no defense to fall back on.
Story of the season
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 8:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
and yet, we are only down 9...
…one of the perks of playing the clippers?
by davechisholm on Dec 16, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rasual Butler...
Seems to play well against us all the time…even going back to last year. Low risk Wing pickup, maybe? How old is he?
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
by mutleyil on Dec 16, 2009 8:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We should have gotten Butler when we traded Songaila
Instead of Antonio Daniels
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 8:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No wait, Butler was traded before then
Dammit NOLA…
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 8:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A reverse brewsist?
He shoots it so poorly that a big gets an easy bucket.
by Rascal Flatts on Dec 16, 2009 8:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
A Corey-ass?
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
by mutleyil on Dec 16, 2009 8:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, he hit the front of the rim perfectly, with just the proper english on the ball,
such that it would land gently into the hands of Jawai. Brilliant.
by Rascal Flatts on Dec 16, 2009 8:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They always said he had a high BBIQ.
When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story.
by Xand1 on Dec 17, 2009 7:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We have 8 turnovers to 5 assists
Awesome
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 8:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Who has a brighter future...Jawai or Hollins?
by TWolvesFanInLA on Dec 16, 2009 8:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
both look kind of bleak
I would say Hollins tho
by bheidge on Dec 16, 2009 8:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Neither
but if I had to pick I’d give the edge to Jawai. Hollins I believe played 4 years at UCLA and has been in the NBA for a few years now. He’s 25. If he hasn’t developed good hands and instincts by now, he never will. Jawai on the other hand is younger and much more inexperienced in terms of getting first rate coaching and training. Plus he’s at least a big body that you can throw out there to lean on some of the bigger Centers.
by Rascal Flatts on Dec 16, 2009 8:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What a fitting end to the half
We get blocked out at the three point line
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 8:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gomes
Great stuff on the broadcast.
by I.M. Fletcher on Dec 16, 2009 8:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
9 PTS and 5 boards
for Jawai at the half
by bheidge on Dec 16, 2009 8:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Never thought I would say this...
But Jawai really helped keep us within reach there…
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
by mutleyil on Dec 16, 2009 8:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've had faith in Kahn to turn things around for us...
Until I saw that suit…
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
by mutleyil on Dec 16, 2009 8:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
my thoughts exactly
looked like Al Bundy sitting there
by bheidge on Dec 16, 2009 8:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How can anyone that chooses to buy that suit...
Possibly have the acumen to build an NBA franchise?
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
by mutleyil on Dec 16, 2009 8:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That was the ugliest start to a half
Ever
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 8:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ok
How about we box out Marcus Camby now
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 8:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Love
needs to take more jump shots
by bheidge on Dec 16, 2009 8:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I would kill for someone who could hit an open jumpshot or 3
Wilkins misses an open three and then follows that up by missing a wide open 16 footer
by bheidge on Dec 16, 2009 8:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Our off-the-ball movement...
Is absolute shit at the moment…
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by mutleyil on Dec 16, 2009 8:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't aware...
that we had any tonight
by SoDakHmr on Dec 16, 2009 8:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we are running the "Pentangle"
Where we dump it into the block and just watch what happens…
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by mutleyil on Dec 16, 2009 8:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
amongst many other things
amazing that this team can look competent against a good Utah team and then look like highschoolers against a mediocre Clipper team
by bheidge on Dec 16, 2009 8:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't understand how we can be so awful...
the game after beating Utah.
by LoveTo on Dec 16, 2009 8:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Flynn and Brewer...
Are back to being Flynn and Brewer…
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by mutleyil on Dec 16, 2009 8:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because Utah doesn't have...
A 6’11" post scoring force or a 6’11" shot blocking freak.
Harder to defend in the paint, harder to score against in the paint, and that’s really the only place we can generate any offense from
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At least Wilkins is moving the ball
he has as many assists as the rest of the team combined
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 8:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
one quarter left...
…hopefully the wolves can make it close.
by davechisholm on Dec 16, 2009 8:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else wondering...
Why our big guy is “flashing out” on Telfair on the PnR?
WE WANT HIM TO SHOOT THE JUMPER?
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by mutleyil on Dec 16, 2009 8:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gave up 91 points in 3 quarters
Unacceptable defense
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 8:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sure wish the Clippers would trade Camby for Blount
Camby’s on the block, but they want something useful for him.
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 9:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This year is a lost cause
might as well stink it up this year and start thinking about next year
by bheidge on Dec 16, 2009 9:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose if you're going to gun for a draft pick...
…you might as well go all out. Still makes watching the team painful a lot of the time though.
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 9:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kahn's reasons not to...
1. He’s expensive
2. He’s old
3. He’d immediately make us better this year
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by mutleyil on Dec 16, 2009 9:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he's an expiring contract
But the old and would make us better parts are true
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 9:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Except that apparently he’s found the fountain of youth. 5 years ago, would you have beileved me if I’d told you that Camby would have the best stretch of his career between 30 and 35? For some reason he can all the sudden stay healthy now that he’s old..
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by Xand1 on Dec 17, 2009 7:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Love and Jefferson are just totally imtimidated by Camby right now
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Camby intimidates a lot of players
hes been an excellent shot blocker for the duration of his career so far
by bheidge on Dec 16, 2009 9:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's getting better and more durable with age it seems like
Amazing. This guy used to be a joke because he would be out for 3 weeks with a hang nail.
by Rascal Flatts on Dec 16, 2009 9:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Watch the Spurs trade for him at the deadline
Talk about a return to the Twin Towers era
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 9:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And down by 20
Should have happened 20 minutes ago, but hey….
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 9:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Great showing wolves...
go out..beat the Jazz on their home court..then come home and lay a complete goose egg…this is frustrating.
by TonyO on Dec 16, 2009 9:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ok there is a much better game on ESPN
time to make the switch
by bheidge on Dec 16, 2009 9:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Our inability to have anyone create/score from the wing is unbelievable. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen an NBA team with less talent at the 2/3.
by TWolvesFanInLA on Dec 16, 2009 9:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
plain bad
mindless turnovers, terrible shooting
= blowout
by ChicagoViking on Dec 16, 2009 9:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It is almost impossible...
To assemble a NBA roster with ZERO decent outside shooters, but we’ve done it.
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by mutleyil on Dec 16, 2009 9:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Kings vs Wizards
is ESPN’s second game tonight? Can’t imagine to many people are going to stay up for that game
by bheidge on Dec 16, 2009 9:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I like Casspi
is easily the steal of the draft in my opinion
by TonyO on Dec 16, 2009 9:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We cannot put back an offensive rebound to save our lives
C’mon guys….at least get those
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 9:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
kahn's FA 2009
Sessions – good backup pg
Pavs — awful
Hollins — bad
1 for 3. At least Pavs is gone next year.
by ChicagoViking on Dec 16, 2009 9:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It wasn’t fair to expect anything beyond a warm body from Pavs. He’s been terrible for years. Still not sure why we even brought him on, as Wayne/Brewer/Gomes/WIlkins should have been enough..
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by Xand1 on Dec 17, 2009 8:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Put in Jawai and Ellington
Might as well get them some burn
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 9:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Raptors
Have to be getting very worried about ability to keep Bosh giving how badly their playing. Chad Ford mentioned they’d be interested in Sessions.
Sessions for DeRozan (filler as needed)
by TWolvesFanInLA on Dec 16, 2009 9:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Bosh is gone
I’m 100% sure of that. Just a matter of where
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 9:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We already have DeRozan...
He goes by the name Corey Brewer…
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by mutleyil on Dec 16, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
derozan last three games
2-9, 1-4, 0-5
nah, brewer playing better
games like this make you miss the garnett days
by himself, he would keep us close. i know we weren’t going anywhere, but it wasn’t embarrassing
by ChicagoViking on Dec 16, 2009 9:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its nights like this that I think to myself "Why do People, including myself, Waste their time with this team"
by TonyO on Dec 16, 2009 9:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I always get ripped on when I say that.
Join the club.
by College Wolf on Dec 16, 2009 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nice timeout
now that we’re down 20. whats with no timeout when we were clearly on our heels earlier but still in somewhat close range? rambis likes to let them play like jackson in LA.
by ChicagoViking on Dec 16, 2009 9:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well he is from Jackson's coaching tree
I don’t blame Rambis one bit for anything..I blame that idiot Kahn…Yes..Lets not get any wing players in free agency so when my coach goes to run a triangle offense he looks like a Moron..Kahn is already worse than McHale
by TonyO on Dec 16, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing's worse than McHale
Except Isiah Thomas
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kahn honestly thinks he's going to get Joe Johnson or Dwayne Wade to come here..He's drunk
by TonyO on Dec 16, 2009 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he got sessions, pavs, hollins
we have so far to go.
luck out with #1 pick (the kentucky pg), trade/FA for a wing, and get a serviceble center in the draft.
how many of those likely to happen in 2010?
by ChicagoViking on Dec 16, 2009 9:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's why a trade for Rudy gay is the best option we have
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 9:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
grizzlies
they have a sg and maybe a C. If they trade Gay — their best player — we’d have to give them something good. We’d need to sign Gay to Extension. Would have to give them Al, Flynn, Love, or Rubio chip. Can’t see them taking a combo platter of our mediocre players. I would really not like giving Love, Flynn, or Rubio chip. so, I keep thinking Al. Crazy, maybe. But, if we want to transform into a running team. Al would go and next year’s draft becomes about length.
by ChicagoViking on Dec 16, 2009 10:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Which 2009 Summer FA would you have liked him to get?
Over pay for Turkoglu.
The only decent 2/3 available seemed to be Ariza.
by TWolvesFanInLA on Dec 16, 2009 9:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Keeping Carney would have been a start...
Carney would be the best SG on the roster right now
by TonyO on Dec 16, 2009 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you kidding?
Carney is averaging 3.8 points per game on 36% from the field and 29% from beyond the arc.
by TWolvesFanInLA on Dec 16, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
which further makes my point
He can’t get off the bench on a Sixers team that just lost 12 in a row. Scoring may be down b/c of low minutes, but his shooting % is his shooting %.
by TWolvesFanInLA on Dec 16, 2009 9:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Carney is terrible. He has a worse handle than Brewer.
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by Xand1 on Dec 17, 2009 8:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm
That’s what makes the draft so key for us. Who would you say we missed on? Anyone you’d rather have than lawson trade? I like flynn, rubio chip, and even ellington. Maybe Casspri with the lawson slot? Hindsight 20-20, of course.
terrible call in bucks game may give lakers game
by ChicagoViking on Dec 16, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good question.
Gerald Henderson and Terrence Williams aren’t doing much. And while Curry can shoot, he’s too small to play SG.
And I remember hoping we’d get Chase Budinger, who went to Detroit right before our first pick in 2nd round (then traded to Houston).
I think Kahn did well in the draft.
by TWolvesFanInLA on Dec 16, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yep
basically good in draft which gives me more hope than our cap space for a FA. we do have a chance at a lot of picks again.
by ChicagoViking on Dec 16, 2009 10:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lakers and Bucks tied with 20 seconds left
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 9:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Kobe just got a total superstar call
I mean, terrible. Obvious charge, got the block call and one. Awful.
by Eric in Madison on Dec 16, 2009 9:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Was just about to post this
Biggest superstar call I’ve ever seen
by Oceanary on Dec 16, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And he just hit the game winner
at the buzzer. He’s a great, great player, but the Bucks got screwed in that game.
by Eric in Madison on Dec 16, 2009 9:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yup Lakers Win..Kobe Handed the game on a silver platter...Wierd
the NBA is the most fixed sport out of all the major sports
by TonyO on Dec 16, 2009 9:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Boy..the Kahn Era really is making the OJ Mayo-Kevin Love trade look like the worst trade in the History of Basketball
by TonyO on Dec 16, 2009 9:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
still like love better than OJ
I know we need a 2, but I like Love. I’ll wait for/expect this glaring hole to be filled before next season.
by ChicagoViking on Dec 16, 2009 10:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Few Thoughts
1. I always hear complaints for more length. Than when we get a player that long’s- he’s medicore at best (Ryan Hollins). The problem with most, real long athletic bigs is that they’re not all that skilled. I don’t think McHale was anti-length. I think he felt that Al Jefferson was the most skilled big he could get. Looking back Bynum would have been a better option. This idea that if we could only get real long skilled bigs everything would be fixed is fine. But who fits this bill that we might acquire outside Derrick Favors?
2. This idea that a player must be awesome because he scores more points on a better team is also quite silly. Most of the time the reason these players- score more points is because they have more plays run for them. They thereby take more shots. When Tony Campbell joined the Wolves he didn’t all of sudden transform into an elite Offensive player. He took a higer volume of shots.
What does OJ Mayo provide outside scoring? Assists? NO ,Rebounds? NO,Elite-Defense? NO, or Off-Ball Capablities? NO.
Where as Love is maybe the Best Rebounder in the NBA. A Brad-Miller like Passer. He’s also terrific at setting picks and screens. This is why Love has the Best Plus/Minus on the Team.
3. The issue isn’t that we played flat or anything else. We shot ghastly from the field because we’re one of the worst shooting teams in league history. Blaming these losses on Front-Court Length is like blaming the Weather. We can’t shoot, We couldn’t shoot last season, and until we become a better shooting team- we’re going to have nights like this.
by Jose Cordoba on Dec 17, 2009 12:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Saying most players with length and athletcism aren't skilled is very untrue
Because that includes 3/4 of the league’s starting power forwards. Garnett, Stoudemire, Duncan, Dirk, Gasol, Bosh, Josh Smith, LaMarcus Aldridge, Kenyon Martin, Jason Thompson…
Add to that centers like Yao, Dwight Howard, Bynum, Bogut, Brook Lopez, Andris Biedrins, Kendrick Perkins, Nene……you get the idea.
I get that you like Kevin Love and want to defend him, but c’mon….trying to imply that short players with short arms are better than tall players with long arms because they’re more skilled is just stupid.
by Oceanary on Dec 17, 2009 12:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK
Oceanary, turnabout is fair play. Saying that long players are better than short players because they have long arms is stupid. Jose wasn’t even making the argument you ridicule. Yes, Love is skilled but Jose pointed out 3 aspects of Love’s game that makes him more valuable than Mayo.
You provide a list. We could have a reasonable debate about whether or not Love is more valuable than some of the players on this list. Some, like Duncan, Garnett, and Dirk are hall of famers. Others like Stoudemire, Nene, Yao, Martin, Aldridge put up some nice stats but have serious weaknesses in their games and despite their length are not known as elite defenders.
Sure, the Twolves could use more TALENTED Length up front, but it’s not easy to get, especially without giving up something in return either in terms of players or in terms of skills (e.g., Hollins has length, but his roster spot might be taken up by a player with less length but more skill). Clearly Kahn realizes the Wolves need length up front. He took a shot with Hollins. It’s way too early to determine whether or not Hollins can be a serviceable 10 minute/pg guy in 2 years. But he’s signed to an extremely reasonable contract in a league where big men earn big bucks. Regardless, this issue is on the radar of the front office and hopefully it will be addressed via free agency or the draft.
Also, if you want to see great post defense watch 6 foot 6 Chuck Hayes in the playoffs against the Lakers.
by littleboxes on Dec 17, 2009 2:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I never said tall players with long arms are better because they have height and length
Just pointing out that saying
The problem with most, real long athletic bigs is that they’re not all that skilled.
Is completely, totally, and utterly false. And that using at an argument to defend Love doesn’t carry much weight, if any at all.
by Oceanary on Dec 17, 2009 2:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In any case, the comparison for Mayo is Eric Gordon
At this point if you were choosing between Mayo and Gordon based on their numbers so far, you’d hesitate because Mayo had shouldered more of the load for his team but you’d very likely go with the Clipper.
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by feral on Dec 17, 2009 7:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Minor question for you, Jose:
You said
Looking back Bynum would have been a better option.
In what sense was Bynum ever an option? Was there a ‘KG to LA’ deal featuring Bynum that I’ve completely blocked out of my memory? (There’s a distinct possibility that I did. Seeing KG go play with Kobe would have killed me.)
I’m not sure I like Bynum over Jefferson. For all Bynum’s length, Jefferson is still the better rebounder. Bynum is much better as a defender, but offensively… I don’t know. He’ll dominate some nights, and then take an entire week off and put up 8/6 lines. He’s playing behind the best offensive 1-2 punch in the league; he should be dominating every night. Jefferson’s consistency gets somewhat taken for granted. If Bynum were here in his place, I suspect we’d be extremely frustrated with him a lot of the time. The Lakers can get away with it because they’d be dominant either way and have the luxury of the league’s best backup big man to sub in on nights when Bynum isn’t getting it done.
by John Doe on Dec 18, 2009 5:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is this serious?
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by Xand1 on Dec 17, 2009 8:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the Deal
This team’s problems have nothing to do with the starters at 4 or the 5.
Second I consider length- a player longer than Al who has a standing reach of 9’2. So this is a pretty limited list. (Oden, Howard, Bynum). The clamorings are for pairing Al with a 7’0 footer (Hasheem Thabeet) no matter how devoid of skill they maybe.
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by Jose Cordoba on Dec 17, 2009 8:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
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