A message for Rudy
by Stop-n-Pop on Dec 2, 2009 6:00 PM CST
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PrintMemphis Grizzlies at Minnesota Timberwolves, Dec 2, 2009 7:00 PM CST
Was it just a coincidence that little birdies were chirping earlier this week about Minny's interest in Memphis forward Rudy Gay right before his appearance at the Target Center? Will Mr. Gay put a little extra oomph into his performance knowing that Minny has millions of dollars in cap space and sufficient assets to pull off an in-season trade or post-season sign-and-trade with Memphis for his services?
Who knows? What we do know is that Memphis is in town tonight and the Wolves have one of their better chances of the young season to put together a winning streak. Opposition blogging can be found here: Straight Outta Vancouver.
Enjoy the tilt.
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I’m hopeful.
Because there are no fours.
Toine
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That’s not a Mac issue, it’s a sanity issue.
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Any site that only works in IE is ignoring the intelligent portion of the market. They must be trying to pull something on unsuspecting IE users.
His injury
Conley tore the labrum in his shoulder in mid-November, but near as I can tell he hadn’t sat out until last game, which was the second half of a back-to-back.
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Rudy
has never won at Memphis, they had him for 3 plus years and didn’t want to pay him what he felt he was worth. Reminds me of Milwaukee and Sessions , they had him and valued him as a backup at a certain price when Wolves overpaid, they said okay take him. We can overpay Gay and get him but will you win? I don’t think it’s a guarantee you win with him.
There is if it's LeBron or Wade
But I think it’s safe to say that won’t be happening.
I think too many Wolves fans has a “LeBron or bust” attitude, as in if we can’t get a franchise player, we’re better off not getting anyone. I couldn’t disagree more.
Overpaid for Sessions?
Nearly every report or opinion piece I’ve read from pundits I respect (Kevin Arnovitz, John Hollinger, etc) said we got a good value for Sessions. Milwaukee didn’t match because they already have Jennings for the future and they are very concerned about their payroll and the luxury tax.
I think your characterization of Sessions’ signing is exactly what happened with Hollins instead. I do have misgivings about how much Rudy Gay is actually worth, but I don’t think saying they haven’t won with him is a totally fair indicator of his ability to produce wins. Being on that team, I would argue that they’re losing in spite of his talents. I feel like he’d be a bitter fit and a better developmental prospect on our team as well. I don’t expect him to be a major-impact guy, just a strong building block on a young team
I feel
that at 8.5 pts & 3 ast Sessions isn’t worth 16 million. He hasn’t shown me anything to get excited over yet. That production can be had at vet minimum.
…?
You’re scrutinizing the value of his contract based on what he’s done so far, 20 games into a season on a new team and an as of yet undefined role? That makes no sense.
When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story.
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now
as calling Sessions a success would be just as… nonsensical. I like the contract and think he will make it, but there is definitely a small part of me that is worried that Skiles made him look better than he is (and they must have known that seeing as they didn’t match). Same thing happening to Jennings right now, except Jennings hits at a rate close to Corey Brewer.
I feel
over 16 million for a backup point guard who’s averaging 8.5 & 3 ast is way over paid. That production you can get at a vet minimum. Sessions just hasn’t shown me anything to get excited over.
We have been talking about him for quite some time.
If we actually do ever acquire him, it will be kind of amazing how this site called it early in the summer. For months, we’ve been talking about him almost as if it’s a sure thing.
I wish it was a sure thing
It’d be a lot easier to deal with the losses if we knew there was an impact player on the way.
Zgoda’s been hawking Travis Outlaw lately. Blehhh. Comparing Outlaw to Gay is like comparing Pecherov to Dirk.
Yikes
That’s a pretty hyberbolic comparison. Travis Outlaw is a pretty good player. Definitely good enough to not be on the “Pecherov” end of a comparison. I would love a long, hyperathletic, efficient wing like him on our team. I’d prefer Gay because of talent and upside, but there isn’t some huge talent gulf between them. It’d be like comparing Love or Bargnani to Dirk, maybe. Gay has all-NBA talents and more likely All-Star potential, but Outlaw could be a solid starter.
Ok, Bargnani to Dirk is probably more accurate
I just feel like Travis Outlaw as the summer’s big acquisition would be a huge letdown. That’s something McHale would do.
Agreed
That Outlaw as our big acquisition would disappoint. I hope that’s not what Zgoda is thinking or reporting.
But as an ancillary piece? We could do a lot worse. I wouldn’t doubt that he might have PT issues with that wing-stacked Blazer team, and we’re starved for wing talent. There aren’t many guys at Outlaw’s price with that potential and that age around, so it wouldn’t be a bad idea to get one at a worthwhile value.
I'd definitely go for Outlaw as a role player
He’s instant firepower off the bench and can play power forward in some situations as well.
Does he really have potential at this point? He came out from high school, so he has to have been in the league for something like 6 or 7 years. At that point, I think you’re pretty much getting what you see.
He’s not bad, but he seems like a very slight upgrade to Gomes.
When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story.
Tired of talk about him in particular
or tired about talking about the possibility that he could be here?
I hope it’s the latter, because he might end up here and you will be even more sick of hearing about him (hopefully only about how deserved the Finals MVP over Evan Turner).
Starters
Wolves starters: Wilkins, Gomes, Jefferson, Brewer, Flynn Grizzlies starters: Gay, Randolph, Gasol, Mayo, Tinsley
There may or may not be a little energy left over from the Nuggets game.
You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Dec 2, 2009 7:12 PM CST reply actions
Don't say something you can't take back later.
But yes, they look rather nice early.
You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Dec 2, 2009 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
The Wolves are dirty, rotten thieves.
Early TOs by the Grizz turn into points for the Wolves. Have to like that.
You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Dec 2, 2009 7:17 PM CST reply actions
Jonny is a pretty good passer...
on the fast break. Two borderline ridiculous dishes already.
He doesn’t have a half-court offense down, but I think it’s a good sign for his PG potential that he has that kind of handle and court vision.
will he ever pan out?
I watch him play and it seems like he’s scared and just thinking too much out there. Someone needs to tell him to just PLAY THE GAME AND RELAX!
by GHACAN BLACKSTAR on Dec 2, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
We really need him to fill a shooting niche for this team. He would be hugely complimentary to Brew sharing the 2.
by Rascal Flatts on Dec 2, 2009 7:31 PM CST up reply actions
Jack McClinton
I’m starting to wonder what Jack would of done with our team. In college he could shoot much like Anthony Morrow. Granted Jack lacks height and strength to be a guard in the league right now it would of been good to have him hit some shots.
by GHACAN BLACKSTAR on Dec 2, 2009 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
im taping the game to watch it once i get home from work… thats how we roll in cali!
by GHACAN BLACKSTAR on Dec 2, 2009 7:29 PM CST reply actions
Seems like Pecherov
would have been a better option than Jawai to give us some more scoring punch. Also draws Thabeet out of the paint.
by Rascal Flatts on Dec 2, 2009 7:40 PM CST up reply actions
To play devil's advocate
You could also argue that Jawai’s size would give Thabeet trouble in the post. He always had trouble getting position on bigger guys like DaJuan Blair. My sister has just as much lower-body strength as he does.
Can’t disagree with your thoughts, though. Either way I’m not too worried about both of those guys taking it to Hasheem at this point.
D. Wilkins = Wins
Who would of known that he’d be this essential
by GHACAN BLACKSTAR on Dec 2, 2009 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
The whole deal there was that the Wolves played worse than the Nets so far
which is arguable, but the point differential says we’ve been worse.
Going forward, you’d have to say we’re better.
by lookatthosetwins on Dec 2, 2009 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
Mavs would never live down losing this one to the Nets
Ever. Between the record thing and the Harris/Kidd trade? Never ever ever.
Jacking 3s would be fine
if he was making them
by lookatthosetwins on Dec 2, 2009 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
Homework for Ellington
I think Wayne should sit down in his own private movie theater and watch game film on Ray Allen. I think his game would improve tenfold.
Klondike commercials during breaks
In what life situation would you ever be offered a frozen treat to get a body wax? You’re getting free food to get a free service. Also, why not just go pay a few quarters for one instead of experiencing the excruciating pain of having your (apparently) copious amounts of body hair ripped from your skin? What kind of body waxing shop lets you eat melty treats during the service? C’mooooooon, Klondike. Give me something plausible here. Also, ripoff of 40-Year-Old Virgin. Lame.
Blount's NBA status...
…is arguable. If sitting on your couch qualifies, I know a shit-ton of usual suspects.
I do like how we managed to be turnover free in the first quarter...
… then managed five in 7 minutes. Not that it’s showing up in the score, but hey.
You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Dec 2, 2009 7:56 PM CST reply actions
Jonny's turned a corner here
Something clicked into place for him in the second half of the last Portland game. He’s been really good ever since.
Seems to be he and Sessions
are running a little more PnR and that’s helping. Or may be they are just doing it better and I’m noticing it.
by Rascal Flatts on Dec 2, 2009 8:02 PM CST up reply actions
5-12 sounds right
I think we would have taken both games against the Clippers with Love healthy. Maybe one more. For the most part though, I don’t think he would have made a huge difference most nights.
I wonder how Kahn got clued into Jawai
Random game film? Someone said something to him? Nate has ridiculous upside for what we paid for him.
only a 2nd round pick..And Jawai has been Fantastic
Wouldn’t be surprised to see Blount get bought out and Pech get put in Street Clothes when Love comes back
And only a 2nd round pick...
… If it’s one of the last 5 in the draft, correct? It was essentially the Mavs giving him to us for free to avoid paying him.
I believe so yes.
But then again.we are dealing with Mark Cuban here :)
Pretty empty in the TC tonight
Not surprised at all. I made it to two games this year, Mavs and the Bucks. Both fairly pathetic games
Flynn and Sessions...
Both looked really good in the first half. If we ignore the “who should be given starter’s minutes” argument, and as each of them becomes more comfortable, we’re going to start seeing the benefits of having a good point guard on the floor at all times. I think it will make a big difference over the course of the season.
The "who starts" isn't the issue. It's why the hell they haven't played together more question that I want answered
Both should be averaging 30+ minutes per game
by Rascal Flatts on Dec 2, 2009 8:26 PM CST up reply actions
Dallas scored 49 points on the Nets in the second quarter alone...
Eeeshhh. No way are we worse than New Jersey.
Take a look at Detroits starting 5 tonight. Its no surprised they managed just 10 pts in the 1st quarter
R. Stuckey G
C. Atkins G
B. Wallace C
J. Jerebko F
J. Maxiell F
Evan Turner looks good so far!
His greatest asset actually looks like rebounding. He positions himself extremely well and has decent ups with a nice wingspan. He’s good coming off of sreens. Seems very active on defense, but I don’t think he has shown too much skill yet. Still, just the fact that he is active is nice.
Solomon Alabi looks like a product of his height and not of his skill so far. One nice finish (he got a nice pass inside with no one on him).
That’s what I have noticed so far.
Also
Turner runs the court very well. When he isn’t in position to rebound, he is streaking down the court and usually is the first one down.
Lighty seems very active on defense, but he seems to have a bit of panic in his game. He could be a good player if he settled down on offense.
Music being played during breaks
I’ve heard “Jeremy” by Pearl Jam and “Schism” by Tool. Love both songs, just don’t really see how a song about classroom violence and another by a prog-metal band gets a basketball crowd going.
How many times this year
Is the other team going to dunk in transition, while Al Jefferson is turned COMPLETELY the wrong way? Wowzers. Who is he looking at?
Its offical the NETS LOST
Dallas 117
New Jersey 101
Final
by GHACAN BLACKSTAR on Dec 2, 2009 8:52 PM CST reply actions
Terrible quarter.
More turnovers plus we’re fouling the Grizz on almost every shot. To think we had an edge in FTs at one point.
You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Dec 2, 2009 8:57 PM CST reply actions
Neither team looks like they want to win this one
Memphis is gassed from their road trip and should be easily beat. Terrible quarter.
by Rascal Flatts on Dec 2, 2009 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, just sluggish sloppy ball
Showing some signs of life here in the 4th though
by Rascal Flatts on Dec 2, 2009 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
26 to 18 FT disparity in their favor
it’s a home game right? let’s straighten that out in the 4th.
Because there are no fours.
Toine
Geez, you could see that one coming from a mile out
How did Mayo not see Hollins there? Totally telegraphed the ball.
3-11 for Al. Yuck.
You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Dec 2, 2009 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
Why the hell he hasn't been averaging 30 - 35 minutes out of the gate
is a crime by Rambis, even if he is coming off the bench.
by Rascal Flatts on Dec 2, 2009 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
I like seeing Jawai
with a lot of fouls. He seems like someone who is good in limited minutes and utilizing fouls might keep teams from brining it into the paint every time.
Hopefully they are smart fouls though…
I guess Rudy saw the report saying Kahn didn't think he had a killer instinct
Cuz he’s killin it tonight
Does he ever set any other kind of pick?
When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story.
Huh
Yeah, I suppose that qualifies as a statement from the department of redundancy department.
Because there are no fours.
Toine
Al’s pick setting skills are godawful for a guy his size. He makes zero effort to get in the way of the guard, and frequently he slips down to go sit on the low block, not even rolling, just setting up shop, before his pick accomplishes anything. This is one very underappreciated part of Love, and to a lesser extent, Gomes’ games.
When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story.
Absolutely on Love
Kevin Love “shows” extremely well. He was a technically sound pro already as a rookie in that area.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
Wait...
we have 13 TOs and they have 13 stls?
Really? ALL our TOs have been bad passes or off the dribble?
Because there are no fours.
Toine
Schedule is not so bad for the next couple months
We really need to get 4 or 5 wins in December. Totally doable with the schedule. Of course, tonight was totally doable.
Because there are no fours.
Toine
He tried to miss the second since there was 1.8sec left
Just sayin
Because there are no fours.
Toine
terrible execution...
on both the 2-for-1 possession we had and coming out of the last time out
I think it wouldn't be unfair to say Sessions cost us this one
Slew of turnovers in the third when we couldn’t take care of the ball, 4 missed free throws.
And
16 points on 9 shots. And the last missed FT doesnt count. Just sayin.
Because there are no fours.
Toine
We wasted 12 seconds from 51 to 39 doing nothing
if we didn’t know what to run we should have called TO. And the Oreb by Mayo on his own miss cost us a couple seconds and a point. Add 12 more seconds and 1 less MEM point and I think we win.
Because there are no fours.
Toine
At a certain point...
… you have to say you don’t deserve to win
Bah, it should have been Flynn out there
Jonny had the offense running tonight. Sessions might have scored some points, but 1 assist, 4 turnovers.
Can we just do a sign and trade with the Grizzlies now?...
Come on Chris Wallace..We’ll give you Mark Blount and Sasha Pavlovic….Both combined are equal value to that of Gay (Laughing inside Hysterically)
Wolves
at least played a close game. They need to learn how to execute when it counts. Bad shot by Flynn on drive. Jim Pete hit the nail on the head when he said Flynn has to get into paint to make play for teammate as opposed to forcing shots. No question about the clock management by Rambis with 51 ticks left and looking lost. Kurt needs late game situations also.
Decent game tonight.
Way too many to’s in the 3rd Quarter.
Jefferson should have been in the game in that 6:00 to 4:00 to go portion of the 4th. I think it went from tied to down 4 in that stretch.
Flynn was a ball-stopper tonight. Too much dribbling around doing nothing.
Brewer was non-existent.
Mayo was tough in the 1st Half. Gay was tough in the 2nd. Either would be our best player, right now.
I would take Love over Mayo all day.
Mayo is the ultimate ball holder. He would be hard to play with. Best thing about tonight little or no triangle.
3rd Quarter
Again it killed us, every time we would run down and pass it right to them. They have to learn to not force passes when they are not there. Again Gomes came through but we need somebody else to make a basket, he is our only guy that can shoot. At the end of the game we had the open looks but nothing but bricks.
I hate to say it but I feel like Jawai has some potential. He needs to spend the off season with the Viking wides to learn how to catch the ball though. BRICK HANDS!!
Grizz bad at 3rd quarter also
We were already coming back in 2nd. It was a 4 point game I think then they got it back up to 8 just at the last second of half. Especially tough on the road in 3rd quarter. Amazing we didn’t do another 7 point fourth quarter like was done in LA on Saturday night…!
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