Proposed Knicks/T-Wolves trade from Bill Simmons
by TWolvesFanInLA on Dec 23, 2009 5:00 PM CST
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PrintFake Trade 1a: Gallinari, Curry and $3 million to Minnesota for the Mark Blount/Brian Cardinal ECs. Basically, Minnesota would be paying $10 million next year to get Gallinari for 2011, 2012 and 2013. Total financial commitment: $23 million. Isn't a lottery pick and potential 50-40-90 percentage guy worth $23 million over three years (just $9 million for the last two), especially for a team stupidly playing the "we're waiting for Ricky Rubio, so tuck yourself in and enjoy three years of losing and misery!" card? Of course.
Taking on Curry's contract for next year would be a tough pill to swallow, but if the rumors that we won't be making a big splash in the FA market next summer are correct than I'd pull the trigger on this (although it sounds like Gallo is the one untouchable in NY). This nets us a rising star at SF who can spread the floor and pass with the best of them. If Knicks are this desperate to move Curry, maybe we can squeeze a 2011 or 2012 protected first rounder from them.
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HMMM!
The Basic Parameters are kind of what I’d like for a trade. Danilo has a pretty undefined position. He’s going to be a defensive liability at the 2-3-4-. Wherever he’s get minutes. With that said- someone with his shooting ability would be terrific on this team.
agreed...
but I think he and Brewer would compliment each other well when on the court together. Brewer takes the tough defensive assignment and gets out in transition. Gallo spreads the floor and I’d think would be ideal in triangle (I’m envisioning Kukoc).
by TWolvesFanInLA on Dec 23, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
He isn't a bad defender, really
he efforts. And he shoots the ball. I wouldn’t do this, I don’t think; Curry’s contract is just too much in exchange for getting Gallinari, but if I could get him for the price of Jeffries, I would.
Actually, I might do it with Curry. He becomes an expiring next season.
by Eric in Madison on Dec 23, 2009 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
that's the key
If we’re not going to make a push for Rudy Gay or whomever next summer than I’m fine eating Curry’s contract for a year if it gets us Gallinari.
At the very least, a Jawai/Curry sumo wrestling match at halftime would fill seats.
by TWolvesFanInLA on Dec 23, 2009 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
Also...
Knicks are really, really desperate to unload Curry and/or Jefferies. Our cap space is meant to be exploited in situations like this.
by TWolvesFanInLA on Dec 23, 2009 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
Not bad, but not good enough (yet)
There are definitely worse last resorts for this year’s options. I’d love to have Gallo on our team; he’d be a great fit with his shooting and passing at the 3/4. I’d prefer to wait until we know Danilo is our best option for the year. I just feel like we’d need the flexibility to be prepared for sign-and-trades or other opportunistic moves like this one.
If it is the case that next year is the better choice for acquisitions, then by all means trade this year’s space to a team that realistically could sign those big-name guys. It’d be worth it in order to have it next year in addition to a great young player. Of course at that point the Knicks could probably have 2 of the best players in the game locked up to win championships for the foreseeable future.
Yep
It would be a nice way to use the cap space, but is it the best way? I think we’ve got to let things play out until the summer to find out the best use of cap space.
Gallo has some nice skills, but that’s a lot of money.
by Blond Ricky on Dec 23, 2009 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
Tried this on the trade machine
Wolves get -
Gallinari & Curry (Knicks trade exception also used)
Knicks get -
Bount, Cardinal, Pecherov, & Pavlovic
Wolves save about $4 million this season, so it only costs them an extra $6 million for Curry. Might still get the Knicks to throw in cash if they can free up the cap space.
I love the trade but...
am I missing something? It looks like Curry is already an expiring contract according to ESPN’s trade machine this year (just like Blunt and Cardinal) so why would the Knicks do this? Surely they are not trying to get rid of the remainder of Gallo’s rookie contract.
The problem with Curry
Is that his deal actually expires next season. I don’t have the exact reason why it says this year, but he’s known as a horrible deal because he is killing their cap for this season and next at 10 mil. If they move him then they open up huge amounts of space to get as many impact FAs as possible, and Gallo might be worth it to a team with cap space that doesn’t figure on using it during this offseason’s free agent bonanza.
Curry has a player option for next year
No way he doesn’t pick it up. Because it hasn’t officially been picked up, it looks like an expiring.
by TheEvilProfessor on Dec 23, 2009 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
Is Gallo for sure a 3?
He would need to be for this deal to have any chance. We don’t need ’tweeners.
He's sort of a 3 like Durant is a 3
Although to be clear, that’s not a comparison of their talent.
That doesn't make sense to me.
Didn’t Durant play the 2 his rookie year? Isn’t Gallo logging heavy minutes as a stretch 4?
Either Durant is playing occasional PF or Gallinari is playing occasional SG, or I’m still missing something. I’m thinking option three.
Clearing things up
Danilo is a true 3 that is big enough to play the stretch 4 when called upon (he does play for D’Antoni, after all). Not a tweener, just a big SF. Wilson Chandler is playing at PF more than Danilo is, and he’s a pure SF too. I don’t see any worries about his position. He’d be an effective SF with positional flexibility.
I'm SHOCKED...
That Bill Simmons proposed a Minnesota-New York trade that didn’t include sending Rubio’s rights to New York. Signs of progress, Bill. Baby steps.
by LoveTo on Dec 23, 2009 7:49 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I'd pull the trigger on that but for one little thing......
The Knicks would do anything to get out from under Curry’s contract.
I’d be asking for New York’s unprotected 2012 first round pick to boot.
"I tell one of my media colleagues to watch Hollins, who regards cutters entering his vicinity with the sort of startled amazement newborn infants have when their own appendages enter their vision for the first times."
-Britt Robson
I wish
Even if we had to sweeten the deal a little bit ourselves to get that pick, it’d be worth it in this hypothetical future. If only as some form of insurance for the Clipper pick we’ll likely be losing. They’d have to be pretty damn sure they’re gonna get a lot of phenomenal players as a result of the cap space, though. Otherwise they’re mortgaging their future on the possibility of signing two max guys with no guarantees and no picks as compensation if they don’t. Pretty huge risk/reward factor there.
There's no way
The Knicks are desperate to unload Curry. That’s why they’d even consider dealing Gallo, but to ask for a pick as well might be pushing it too far. Don’t get me wrong, I’d like the pick (even though it wouldn’t be that great if they land LeBron/Bosh), but it’s a lot to expect.
by Blond Ricky on Dec 23, 2009 10:37 PM CST up reply actions
It's not just clearing Curry though.
It’s the opportunity that cap space brings. Without Curry on the books they are only committed to $16 million in 2010-11 (assuming they can’t move Jeffries also). That’s room for two max free agents, plus with the Bird rights to David Lee he is likely to stay if those names arrive.
I think if we asked for a 2012 first rounder on top of Gallinari they would do it in a heartbeat.
"I tell one of my media colleagues to watch Hollins, who regards cutters entering his vicinity with the sort of startled amazement newborn infants have when their own appendages enter their vision for the first times."
-Britt Robson
Rumors?
if the rumors that we won’t be making a big splash in the FA market next summer are correct than I’d pull the trigger on this
You mean the rumors started on this board? I haven’t read anything resembling concrete on this yet. If someone could post a link, that would be great??? The only thing I’ve seen is that Sacramento piece about us “exploding” in 2-3 years which is about as nonspecific as you can get.
I thought there was an article recently
in the Pioneer Press, I think (could’ve been the Strib), where David Kahn was quoted as saying the Wolves most likely won’t be signing a max free agent this summer. He further went on to say that the plan is to draft well and maybe make some trades, but FA would most likely be a big option in 2011, not 2010.
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
Like it for the Wolves
Kahn is probably punting on next season anyway, might as well take Curry along for the ride. Gallinari helps @ the wing, which is what we need.
That said, this ups the ante even more for the Knicks. What if they trade Gallo thinking it seals Lebron, and he doesn’t come? You give away a top-10 pick for nothing.
A funny thing...
I thought it was funny when Simmons joked about Kahn having to trade Rubio a year too late if we would get John Wall. He said Wall is a sure thing, a cross between Derrick Rose and Dwayne Wade. Funny thing is that neither of those 2 guys is a pure PG. Wasn’t Simmons the guy who thought that OKC should take Rubio to play with Westbrook? Westbrook is more a PG (shown this year) than either Rose or Wade yet he needs Rubio and Wall wouldn’t? It’s fun to dig at Kahn though right Bill?
Potentially funny point, but...
Rose is definitely more of a point guard than Westbrook.
by John Doe on Dec 24, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Really?
Westbrook has made a big leap forward this year running the show for OKC.
Sure he's getting better.
But he still averages a lot of turnovers. I’m thinking, if you switched their places, Rose would have an easier time matching Westbrook’s assist numbers than Westbrook would cutting his turnovers down to Rose’s level. And of the trio of Westbrook, Rose, Wall, I think most would agree that Westbrook would have the easiest time playing shooting guard.
There’s also the talent disparity. Wall > Rubio > Westbrook. If Rubio joins OKC, Westbrook is moved out of the starting PG spot. If Wall joins MIN, it is Rubio who is moved.
If John Wall has any Dwayne Wade in him
he’s going to end up a SG and a good one too.
This isn't gonna happen
D’antoni loves Gallinari.. Gallinari’s dad and D’antoni were on the same team in italy, and D’antoni was the main reason Gallinari was drafted by the Knicks.. I could see him being there as long as D’antoni is.
I’m a Knicks fan and everything I’ve read so far indicates that unless the Knicks are getting back an All-Star like Bosh, Gallo will not be included in any trades.
But that is the point
In order to get two Max Free agents, they need to move Curry to have the cap space, and the premise here is that they might have to unload Gallo to get rid of Curry. It’s not a direct trade, but without it there isn’t the opportunity. The problem is that there is no guarantee that the knicks would get 2 anyway.
by Cedarpenguin on Jan 5, 2010 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
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