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Timberwolves website briefly had news of Hart-Devin Brown deal up, but Kahn texted and said it's not done. It's not there anymore

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Financial move?

I’m not getting this. It’s not a good or bad move, but it’s just weird.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Dec 29, 2009 11:43 AM CST reply actions  

Just what we need!

Another old wing to take playing time away from Wayne Ellington!

by Blakeley on Dec 29, 2009 11:45 AM CST reply actions  

Roster

Hart has been inactive all season, who will the Wolves remove from their active roster? Brown is shooting over 40% from three this season, but he’s 30 years old, and I would imagine isn’t in the team’s long-term plan. He only makes a little over $1 million next season.

by memyworldkj on Dec 29, 2009 11:45 AM CST reply actions  

This is definitely a talent win for the Wolves...

But, as noted if we put Brown into the rotation that takes minutes away from our young backcourt that needs to learn.

For New Orleans, it’s purely financial. Hart makes less than Brown, and with Hart’s partial guarantee he can be cut by New Orleans to save even more. Since they’re in luxury tax territory, every dollar they cut from payroll, they save another in tax.

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by wyn on Dec 29, 2009 11:49 AM CST reply actions  

Learn by watching.

Sometimes young players can also benefit from a few extra minutes of watching a veteran run the offense, play defense, etc. With guard talent at a minimum in the up-coming draft, teams will be willing to pay for young talent/veteran help. I’m guessing this is more of an asset than anything.

by memyworldkj on Dec 29, 2009 11:52 AM CST reply actions  

Trial run

For all those saying we need to “see how Al and Love can play together with shooters,” or just “see Al’s game with a three-point threat on the court,” here’s your trial run. In that vein, looks like a good move to me.

by Bahlgren1 on Dec 29, 2009 11:56 AM CST reply actions  

My guess is that Kahn is tired of watching Pavlovic

and would rather give Brown the SG/SF minutes he got. Just a guess.

by TheEvilProfessor on Dec 29, 2009 11:59 AM CST reply actions  

ha!

got the “Pavlovic sucks” comment in just before you!

by highpockets on Dec 29, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

what???!!!

someone is messing with me – mine was on top before. I demand an investigation!

by highpockets on Dec 29, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I think...

…you had a hanging chad.

by Bahlgren1 on Dec 29, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

nice

so this is what it feels like to be GW. It’s like being the kid in Big Daddy…“I Win!” “What’s the game called?” kid’s response…“I Win!”

by TheEvilProfessor on Dec 29, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm picturing Dubya...

screaming, “Kangaroo song! Kangaroo song!”

“Allllriiiiiighht!!!”

by Bahlgren1 on Dec 29, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

gotta be another move or two coming...

I like the move in terms of adding talent but I have to think there’s something else in the works. At least he can take Pavlovic’s minutes, if nothing else.

Allows us to move a “bigger” salary in Damien Wilkins to a team looking to acquire cap space?

I might also assume it means Gomes is gone.

by highpockets on Dec 29, 2009 11:59 AM CST reply actions  

hmm
“I haven’t made one trade call since we started the regular season. I really feel the players we have deserve to be evaluated on a season-long basis. I would be content if we don’t make a move.”

Well, this is at least further proof that reading the tea leaves is a pretty much a useless exercise.

The move itself is solid. Like others said, it has more to do with helping the frontcourt rather than finding long term solidity in the backcourt per se. Just because we’re rebuilding doesn’t need we should abdicate or starve ourselves of low-risk talent.

by Rasho Revolution on Dec 29, 2009 12:06 PM CST reply actions  

didn’t see this coming, I’m not sure yet. We already have Wilkins and Pavlovic, what does Brown provide then?

Official Kahn/Rambis band-wagon rider since 2009

by Wim (Belgium) on Dec 29, 2009 12:07 PM CST reply actions  

Exactly

Pavs has been the worst producing guy on the team all season long. Pech at least provides some nights where he drops 10-15 points or grabs 8-10 boards. Pavs main role is to drain threes and play defense, and near as I can tell he just hasn’t done that very well this year.

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Dec 29, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

neither Pavlovic or Wilkins

have been even close to decent this year. I like the intangibles that wilkins brings to the game for the wolves, but Brown may be able to give Rambis a marginally better shooter to see if that will space out the floor for the frontcourt more. Just a guess.

by TheEvilProfessor on Dec 29, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Wilkins hasnt been awful....

But Pavlovic has. Anything that gets that guy less floor time is a good thing.

by kingsxman on Dec 29, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Anyone want to give odds on another deal being in the works?

I say 2:5 odds that this move was done with another move in mind within the next 7-10 days.

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Dec 29, 2009 12:18 PM CST reply actions  

my guess is either

wilkins or gomes. No one would trade for Pavlovic.

by TheEvilProfessor on Dec 29, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Similarly...

I remarked elsewhere that, by the trade deadline, I might be more surprised if we don’t see “Gomes to a contender,” than if we do.

by Bahlgren1 on Dec 29, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd say Gomes then

I like Gomes a lot, but Wilkins has Flynn’s ear and seems to be a bit more of leader on this squad. I wish we could keep Gomes going forward in the future, but I wonder what he might net us? Or rather, what would we want a Gomes trade to net us? Picks? Players? Euro’s?

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Dec 29, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

possibilities

1)Plenty of contending teams that could use either Gomes or Wilkens…and most of those teams have a promising rookie or second year guy glued to their bench.
2) one of the current 2/3’s (or Brown) is getting packaged with an expiring for a significant player
3) or this is part of the upcoming blockbuster Al Jeff deal.

It almost has to be one of these three, right? This deal makes zero sense on a standalone basis.

by DougW on Dec 29, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Zero sense

Unless it’s simply asset accumulation/relatively cheap roster experimentation. Hart wasn’t going to play for us. We get a guy who becomes the second best three point shooter on the team to see how having that kind of presence changes things for everyone else. Pretty low risk deal for Kahn at the prospect of gaining invaluable insight into what kind of guys he may be looking to draft next year.

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Dec 29, 2009 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know...

Unless Hart slept with someone’s girlfriend or something, why upset the roster and trade just to trade? Brown is not going to add anything to this team…what is the insight? How do we find enough minutes for Brown to show us anything?

I’ll be shocked if there isn’t a follow-up trade in the works.

by DougW on Dec 29, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

My thoughts

are that Love is the best three point shooter, at least in the sense of taking and making them relatively consistently and using that as a weapon to keep the floor open for him. I had forgotten about Gomes, probably because he’s been out for a bit.

And the insight stuff is about distinguishing between Turner or Johnson or Henry. My conjecture is that NOR called up Kahn with this trade proposal, and in it Kahn sees an opportunity to find out how Flynn/Session/Brewer would do with a real three point shooter. What happens to Love/Al? Does a three point shooter make any difference? At worst he mildly upsets a roster on pace to win 20 some games. At best he discovers something that enables him to make a better choice on draft day, or avoid making a blunder on draft day (at least in terms of skill set fit).

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Dec 29, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Who is our best 3pt shooter?

Love’s got far and away the best percentage, and Gomes is above Brown too, but neither has 2+ attempts/gm, nor is a true wing, which I think is part of the equation. I’d say Devin, at 41% with almost 4 attempts/gm would be our “best 3pt shooter.”

by Bahlgren1 on Dec 29, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Well...

So is Gomes’ 42%, and (while the comparison to last year is meaningless) so is Love’s.

by Bahlgren1 on Dec 29, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

Good trade for us, and either Wilkins or Gomes (or if someone is really dumb Pavs) is gone in the next few days.

Gomes would get the most and though I love the guy he desearves to be on a contending team so part of me hopes he gets traded.

Wilkins has impressed me this season, he’s not great but a good leader and he gives effort every night.

by Bad News Wolves on Dec 29, 2009 12:33 PM CST reply actions  

Jerry Zgoda's now saying the deal isn't yet done...

Wolves press release pulled from the website.

www.canishoopus.com

by wyn on Dec 29, 2009 12:43 PM CST reply actions  

another offer for Hart?!

Do we have a bidding war on our hands? :)

by DougW on Dec 29, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

More than likely someone else wants Brown

And is willing to give the Wolves a pick or something for him. He’s been productive for the Hornets this year. It wouldn’t be a surprise if Hart was back after the Hornets cut him.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Dec 29, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

If you go back several weeks

I posted after meeting my FO friend for dinner before a game, that the Twolves were spending a ton of organizational time (and money) on updating files/evaluations on all NBA players. I further said that it seemed that this was being done to be prepared to make/take advantage of roster moves at the trade deadline – either for salary or competitive reasons. Most experts anticipate that this will be the busiest trade deadline in 25+ years.

So when the Kahn quote was posted (about not taking calls / content with the roster), I called BS. I was reluctant to post that here because I have been labeled a Kahn hater here and I figured I would get blasted again. Did not want to defend myself.

Expect roster changes. And lets hope to take advantage of someone needed to cut costs by gaining a great player.

by Just A Fan on Dec 29, 2009 12:48 PM CST reply actions  

I might start calling Kahn tricky dicky

because that man has a way of phrasing things that in hindsight are perfectly clear that he didn’t lie…but wasn’t being as blunt as it seemed at the time either. The man is a damn wordsmith.

It wouldn’t suprise me to see Bill Clinton ask David Kahn for public speaking advice.

I would still rather see Kahn as GM then McHale.

by TheEvilProfessor on Dec 29, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

It's true

Dude’s a lawyer with a media background. He spins better than the Harlem Globetrotters.

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Dec 29, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

JAF-

By all means, post your thoughts. I have found you to be reliable and those who bash you haven’t realized who you are. Keep the info coming!!

Timberwolves - NBA champs 2013!
(used with permission - Wolf in MO)

by frankenhoops on Dec 29, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

FWIW

Just A Fan, I’m a fan.

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Dec 29, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

I love hearing your insights. I find them very informative and well thought out and reasoned. Under no circumstances have I ever thought you to be a hater of any kind.

by TheEvilProfessor on Dec 29, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

One more voice to this list.

I think among the regular and reasonable posters, your insight is worth as much as anyone’s.

by TheH on Dec 29, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

Appreciate the input/info.

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Dec 29, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Kahn Hater!!!

I keed, I keed!
(He just make a little joke)
I joke with you!
(Little dog, little joke)
I keed, I keed!
(He just make a little joke)
You know I never meant to hurt you
(Never meant to make you cry)

Seriously though, I also like to read everyone’s comments and opinion whether they are negative, positive, whatever…

by Menyun on Dec 29, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

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