Gamethread #19: @ Hornets
by wyn on Dec 4, 2009 6:30 PM CST
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PrintMinnesota Timberwolves at New Orleans Hornets, Dec 4, 2009 7:00 PM CST
Tonight's the night. According to Jerry Z at the Star Tribune, Kevin Love will make his season debut against the Hornets, power glove and all.
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Love's preseason stats as a reminder of what we were excited about
22 minutes
11.5 rebs
12.5 pts
47% fg
5 FTAs
If this game turns out to be a blowout...
I suggest going out to the movies and seeing Transylmania instead.
It was written by T-Wolves fans!
Winnable game
No superstars. No matchup nightmares. Rookie pg. New rookie coach. Hope the guys go in believing they should win this game.
Because there are no fours.
Toine
That was kinda the point..
..sans CP3 (which I guess they aren’t) they are not much different or better than us.
Because there are no fours.
Toine
With all four wins at home.
You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Dec 4, 2009 7:04 PM CST up reply actions
They could go 4-6 in their next 10.
They have NO, Utah, Sac home/away. And the Cliippers at home. They can win 4 of those 7. They won’t, but they could.
Because there are no fours.
Toine
If Wolves don't get blown out tonight....
Losing by less than 10 would be amazing, three close games in a row
G-Love, G-love!
He’s doing the Darth Vader Force Grip from the bench this time!
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
Apology accepted, Captain Paul.
You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Dec 4, 2009 7:10 PM CST up reply actions
I hate to say it,
but it looks more like a bowling glove.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
I'm interested to see Okafor and Paul getting into synch.
Seemed like a good acquisition, but Emeka’s looking so-so.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
Stream?
Any stream working yet? ATDHE is still down
Right shot for Brewer
Hard to be more open than that.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
triangle
So on that first shot for brewer, is that an example of the triangle at work?
Damien wilkins brings it up as flyn goes to the corner, ball goes to the weakside for a 2 man game?
Okay, so Mr. Paul is not rusty.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
CaliWolf
I’m drinking Heiniken light… by the way, I live in Santa Cruz, CA, I assume from your Moniker that you also live in CA???
TJ's is close
but have never seen star-anise Smirnoff. Did have star-anise Anhui pork noodles once. Very good.
homemade
drop a pod into a shot (or 6), leave in freezer for 30 minutes, enjoy
Because there are no fours.
Toine
enjoy :)
I know I do. same thing with a cut up vanilla pod. Easily as good as Stoli vanil, but half the price. You cab re-use them too :)
Because there are no fours.
Toine
ahhhh....
…cali. this is the time of year where i want to move back. we lived in marina, which is just north of monterey.
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I know
that’s a good high (meteorologically speaking) for Minnie this time of year. Was just back for Tday and chuckled when my brother-in-law remarked how “warm” it was (mid 40s). So…
True
was more referring to the fact that I can’t remember the last time I bothered to check the weather or worried about a picnic or beach trip. This is San Diego though, not NorCal.
Because there are no fours.
Toine
Nice
for sipping absolutely, for anything mixed or flavored smirnoff is by far the best deal.
Because there are no fours.
Toine
Sacramento here...
…Contributing to the anise theme of the night. Le Tourment Vert absinthe, sugar cubes and ice cold water from a Waterford crystal goblet. Very Agent Pendergast.
I'm not an artist...
…(aka ‘drawing’ unemployment).
I just saw Sacramento
and that came to mind. Not implying anything. Does the green demon really inspire creativity? Perhaps we could put some in the Wolves Gatorade?
It does give you an odd feeling
Nothing like a real drug though. But I can see how it got the rep. Kind of like kava tea (but totally different, obviously), it just makes you feel…something.
Because there are no fours.
Toine
What is going on with the 3's?
Are we rotating so poorly or are they just hitting them?
Because there are no fours.
Toine
Just terrible rotation and pure neglect
You just don’t let him get that wide open
by Rascal Flatts on Dec 4, 2009 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
3-10 from the field to start off.
Yep, back to the Wolves we all know and lov… lik… complain about extensively.
You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Dec 4, 2009 7:21 PM CST reply actions
I'm hopefur atdhe will come up
if not, yeah, enjoyment is severely limited.
Because there are no fours.
Toine
This feels like a Wolf broadcast
So far we’ve doted on past tape of two injuries. Jefferson’s was a bad, bad memory.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
Love in the game.
/apathetic cheer
You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Dec 4, 2009 7:24 PM CST reply actions
Nice to see Love pop up for a board, there
Steal!
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
Given our shooting, the lion's share of those will be offensive boards.
You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Dec 4, 2009 7:26 PM CST up reply actions
Don't underestimate this effect
People tracking rebounding as a number, or a rate over time, are not going to recognize that Love’s percentage hasn’t changed. They’ll just think, “Wow, he’s got 38 offensive boards a night.”
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
KLove looks great from minute 1...
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
Another steal,
“Jonny Upstairs,” cat burglar.
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The second one was pretty poor
Nobody underneath, just a shot from the hip
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
Jefferson's legs looking better game by game?
He ran the floor there, anyway, and came up at the end.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
flynn pulled
immediately after the heat check 3
and Sessions rewards jefferson for running the floor
this is their best rotation
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Every errant shot,
I hear a little “beep, beep” as his radar tracks it.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
"Force Pull" isn't one of Vader's favorites,
so you must be right.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
On the plus side, Force Jump was.
You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Dec 4, 2009 7:31 PM CST up reply actions
We are a completely different team with Love...
Way more energy, we get every rebound, more fas break opps, etc…
Not saying he’s an MVP, but he is the difference between us being competitive in games and not.
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
it really is noticable...
..even in 3 minutes.
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He's going to contribute to my favorite Wolves trend this year:
The box score in which everything looks incredibly sucky, especially the shooting, but the Wolves somehow stay close and have several more shot attempts than their opponents.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
Yep...
As bad as we are, we do one thing as well as anyone in the NBA…and that is rebound the ball when Love is out there. That steals a lot of wins in this league.
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
impact
The front court looks so much better with love moving everyone back in the rotation. Much more athleticism.The crazy part about it, is that this is only the 8th regular season game that al and love have played together.
by TSAX on Dec 4, 2009 7:32 PM CST via mobile reply actions
*Started* together
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
(And of course, Love didn't start)
So our TV guys are smoking something?
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
Gomes is doing his best to make him attractive to other teams.
Nothing like increasing your trade value at the right time.
You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Dec 4, 2009 7:34 PM CST reply actions
make *himself
You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Dec 4, 2009 7:34 PM CST up reply actions
opps
Thanks for clarifying, shame on me for trusting peterson… haha
by TSAX on Dec 4, 2009 7:35 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I didn't notice it until you mentioned it, either
Somebody’s pre-game media sheet is super bad. The stat breakdown where they implied a “last 2 games” trend was also spectacularly inane.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
Nice outlet, Al Jefferson
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
As I posted previously
Gomes needs to score 20 a game for wolves to have a chance to win, though that was before Darth Hoover returned
Chris Paul isolated on Jefferson,
and he comes away with a weak jumper?
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
radio guy is saying Jawai
though he got confused once or twice already with the Al/Jawai thing
Because there are no fours.
Toine
Oh, whoops,
you may be right.
Either way, you have to think CP3 can do more with that situation.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
yeah... very interesting....
He is probably tryin to get his legs back under him from missing games
by TSAX on Dec 4, 2009 7:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
KLove enters when we're 10 down...
In 6 minutes, we’re up 2. And the Color Me Badd beard is still gone. The man’s a stud…
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
how is sessions not starting?
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How are we ever going to sub him out of this game?
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very noticeable...
The pace and flow is a lot better with sessions… I am a little perplexed that he is not the starter
by TSAX on Dec 4, 2009 7:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Love..
is a +12 in 6 minutes. Excellent. And by the way, that was an absolutely fabulous 16-4 run there. That’s the transition game we’ve been hoping to see.
Love out to start the 2nd...
Let’s watch the Hornets go on a run…
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
Gotta love how Pech starts things off with a wonderful offensive foul.
You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Dec 4, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
How the hell do you manage three fouls that fast?
You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Dec 4, 2009 7:43 PM CST up reply actions
Pech is in & Love on the Bench
This is how I’m going to feel if Palin beats Obama in 2012
by Son of Gerald Green on Dec 4, 2009 7:41 PM CST reply actions
Was just gonna say Pech Out!
And here comes Hollins…
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
I'm not going to try to think of a political analog for Hollins
Apparently Pecherov is resigning halfway through his term….
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
YES
Thank you ellington I really don’t want to see u in the d league!
by TSAX on Dec 4, 2009 7:44 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I would be interested in a Love - Hollins pairing for a while
G-Love can make up for the latter’s rebounding.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
Good Bye Pech, find a super nice comfy chair
And we’ll see you at the end of a blow-out win against NJ in January – again, thanks for coming
by Son of Gerald Green on Dec 4, 2009 7:45 PM CST reply actions
Great pass by Sessions...
And a nice finish by Wayne!
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
Maybe Love...
was just riding Sessions coattails…
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
It's a staggering display of competency.....My head is going to explode
by Rascal Flatts on Dec 4, 2009 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF OUR OFFENSE NOW?!?!
… it’s alright, I guess.
You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Dec 4, 2009 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
whoa!
This is what I imagined when kahn was wheelin’ and dealin’…. session is really playin well (though it helps to have paul on the bunch!…still…)
by TSAX on Dec 4, 2009 7:47 PM CST via mobile reply actions
How badly would our 2nd unit tonight beat our 1st?
Sessions, Ellington, Pavlovic, Love, Hollins
vs.
Flynn, Brewer, Wilkins, Gomes, Jefferson
Hollins' BBIQ is on display
He reached down to pick up the loose ball nicely, almost lost it on the little outlet too close to the defender, and then after an exchange fouled a driver with his stomach….
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
Al's too high outside when he gets the ball, still
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
Nice look Love
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ahhh Love back in the game.
stomach already feels better
by Son of Gerald Green on Dec 4, 2009 7:51 PM CST reply actions
This is my Hollins - Love tandem
I’m interested in its defensive qualities.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
Love is underrated defensively...
He’s not ideally tall or quick. But he’s usually in good position, he’s appropriately physical, and he makes his man earn his points.
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
Matched up well on Tim Duncan early last year
But matchups are trouble for him. West, for example.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
I think the radio guy has a button..
..he presses it and the audio goes “Love another rebound”
Music to my ears. You need the ball to score, Love gets you the ball better than pretty much anybody.
Because there are no fours.
Toine
That was a really nice find by Love.
And I would really like to see the Wolves separate a little bit here… The next couple minutes are big.
fundamentals
This has actually been semi entertaining…. its wied to watch competency in full display!
by TSAX on Dec 4, 2009 7:53 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Love with 5 boards in 7 minutes
Love & Sessions with a +27 with over 5 minutes left in the 2nd quarter. Remember back in my college days, used to have lots of Love Sessions
by Son of Gerald Green on Dec 4, 2009 7:54 PM CST reply actions
Cue Rudy Gay remarks.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
I'll do one better...
How about some Gay Love Sessions with Big Al?
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
Okay, let's see if Flynn can be the steady hand
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flynn needs to....
Continue the momentum….
by TSAX on Dec 4, 2009 7:55 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Co-rey! Argh!
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Again. Co-rey. Argh.
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Brewer is a freakin' donkey tonight...
Can’t finish on the break, complete a pass, or do anything resembling an NBA quality player…
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
Love, one shot, another 3.
If Love can hit from range, which he has the potential to do….
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
he was open for about 10 straight seconds beforehand
I like the shot, but I’m a bit worried no one saw him, especially when he cut into the lane
yeah..
…al missed him for a wide open layup. also, how about ellington tonight? the guy is playing great
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Hey, that was a pretty good jump there, Hollins.
And great dish from Flynn. Is this the most fun Wolves game to watch so far this season?
Boy this Wolves team is soo fun to watch
tonight anyways
Don't know how this game will play out...
Hornets may well end up winning…but I think we can expect a lot more competitive performances like this for the rest of the year with Love back in there…
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
West is getting to the offensive glass too much
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
Al, again, more elevation
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haven't seen too many...
…tip dunks from him.
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Oh, Ryan, Ryan
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that was a bullshit play by paul
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no way..
…..he jumped a good 6 feet right into hollins and he shouldn’t be rewarded for that. this is exactly the type of wwe reffing that people hate the nba for.
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there is no way that's smart....
….that’s horseshit. there is no justifying that.
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Not to mention that he might easily have gotten hurt on it
Probably not worth doing, even when you get away with it
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Reason number 47...
..a superstar is a requirement. BS calls. A few points a game because some lackey who wasn’t good enough to play him/herself gets all googly eyed.
Because there are no fours.
Toine
It's a fundamental flaw in the way the game is called...
I’ve been arguing for years to simplify the NBA rules. When a guy initiates contact with another player…the foul should be on him…bottom line. Screw moving feet, screw verticality…
As long as it remains a judgment call, Chris Paul will always get that call.
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
hornets..
…just aren’t that good. they’re as close to the post 04 wolves as i’ve seen.
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no prob..
….it’s just like watching the wolves with kg. you know they’re never going to put it all together and it’s just a matter of when they decide to blow it up.
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Not too sure about that
They had a great draft this year. There biggest problem is that David West just isn’t all that good offensively and really poor defensively and they haven’t realized that yet. If they ever do and move him for a player that helps them win more games from the 4 they have an awful nice core going forward.
west...
…is a problem but so is their salary structure. they’re going to have trouble adding anyone for a year or two unless they move okafor. and if they do so, they then have the problem of possibly having no frontcourt help if they let west go too.
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It's sure looking like two years
Peja will be an expiring next year, I suppose, so they could send him somewhere this summer…. The franchise will have to hold its breath for a while.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
I see the Paul and KG comparison
but while the Hornets have made bad decisions they haven’t made the disastrous decisions MIN did. Once Sam was traded the Wolves had exactly one above average player (Wally) who half way into the next season they traded for not one but two team killing players.
The Hornets have a problem in that they have way too much money tied up in four players (West, Peja, Posey and MoPete) who aren’t very good and three of them are wings who are best suited coming off the bench. But Thornton and Collison can each fill up a ton of their perimeter minutes going forward and are going to he cheap for a while.
"Blow it up" won't mean Paul like it did KG
They have other parts to jettison, whereas the post-WCF Wolves were shedding the decaying Cassell, Sprewell, and the likes of Hassell. The Hornets will let Peja go, maybe deal Okafor to someone willing to take on his deal….
The Wolves were like Mark Twain’s woman who didn’t have any vices. When she was dying, she didn’t have any cargo to throw overboard. The Hornets have some cargo, at least.
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i don't know..
…i think they’re pretty much an inverted version of the wolves. cp3 has 2 front court buddies like kg had 2 back court ones. i’m betting that west and okafor end up just as decayed as sam and spree.
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Okafor is far, far younger than either of those chaps
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younger...
..but i’m betting no less decayed in terms of what they’ll get out of him.
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It was a horrible call
Hollins is entitled to run in a straight line down the court. There is no way, in no circumstances that is a defensive foul.
Well, despite that hiccup at the end of the half...
Jonny’s not forcing things. Sessions looks fabulous. Al is as springy and explosive as he’s been post-injury. Love is the hyper-productive possession machine we hoped for. Good things from the Wolves in the first half.
Both Al and Love are playing something like their real games
This is the Wolves’ 09-10 team at full complement.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
Jonny's not forcing things?
Except bad “heat check” 3’s, behind the back spin-o-rama dribbles off his feet, and Bassy-like passes to teammates with 3 seconds on the shot clock.
I know he’s a rookie…I know he’s learning…but he should not be playing these minutes.
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
The heat check 3 was awful.
But the spinorama dribble I didn’t think was him trying to do too much, more just a double team got thrown at him as he tried to hit Hollins for a dunk. He has made a couple nice plays, and my main point was that he isn’t overpenetrating without a safety valve like he tends to do.
But Sessions has been leaps and bounds better tonight, I’ll give you that. If Rambis is serious about winning this game, Ramon will be in for the heavy second-half minutes.
Its simply unREAL......
How weak nba refs are! No one on the wolves gets that call!
by TSAX on Dec 4, 2009 8:15 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Typical Referee Call
That my friends is what is wrong with the NBA! Favoritism plays way too much in the calls that “star” players and “good” teams get. How can they possibly determine that Hollins fouled Paul. It comes down to who can act better by throwing their hands in the air, falling down without hardly any contact, complaining like a baby to the refs, etc. to get calls and make it look like they drew a foul. This league is beoming more like all-star wrestling. True fans want fair calls – let the best team that day win. The NBA gives some teams a better chance to win and it is getting old.
i'm all for adding..
..a delay of game call for plays like that. offensive foul plus a delay of game.
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Yes
Why should’nt a player get a foul when they intentionally draw contact to just jack up a shot they know won’t go in.
by killerhoopage on Dec 4, 2009 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
Two thoughts..
Without having seen this particular play.
1) If you remove the defender from the play entirely is the shot something that resembles anything approaching a shot the shooter would actually take? No? Cannot be a foul.
2) Retroactive fines for obvious chicanery – flops, 6 foot sideways launches, ‘accidentally’ getting tangled up running up court, etc. If the whole world sees a player game the system and get rewarded of course that crap will continue, at least make them pay.
Because there are no fours.
Toine
It's getting to be like soccer...
where world—class talents are more interested in getting calls than making plays. They take a dive and then stop the flow of the game to writhe in “agony” on a regular basis. Total BS.
Will Paul's return mean we don't see Bobby Brown?
Did he suit up tonight?
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Al now 7-10.
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F*ck It!!!
Keep Playin’!!!
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Somebody's gotta print up the shirts for that.
It applies in so many situations.
Radio guy said..
.. that the contact happened at 0.1, but had there been no contact he would not have gotten the shot off in time.
So, how is that a shooting foul if the shot would not have happened?
Because there are no fours.
Toine
Jonny gives it up to Corey
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yeah..
…that’s a perfect example of how he’s having trouble in the 1/2 court…passing up an open 3 for an 18 footer from brewer
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Offensive boards galore
Without Love on the court, too.
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Wilkins continues to board much better than his career numbers
What’s the deal with that?
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Eff-ort?
You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Dec 4, 2009 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
By the percentages,
He’s boarding at twice the rate he has for his career.
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Historic amount of Offensive rebound opportunities...
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I s'pose. Still, as I said, it's *percentages*
That doesn’t change by the number of opportunities.
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Posted before your % comment...
That is an interesting anomaly. Lack of Love may have meant his role was to crash the glass far more aggressively than in the past…
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He's done his job
Limited player, no part of the future, but he’s playing for his next contract by doing what coach wants. I find it hard to dislike him, particularly when our two wins both featured big rebounding by him.
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Look how painful it is for us to score right now...
It baffles me that only 2 of our best 5 players are “starters.”
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Please?
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Ellington first sub off the bunch
that’s an encouraging sign even if its because we are starting three wings.And here comes Love.
I would like to see some extended moments with Sessions, Love, Jefferson and the wing minutes split between Flynn|Gomes|Ellington.
When Orlando won that lottery,
They played that as their hold music the whole summer.
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ellington has taken a bunch of brewer's minutes in the past 2 games
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Good thing we didn't pick up his op...
Oh… wait.
You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Dec 4, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
Crap!
Forgot to do this at the start…but wanted to see how many of CP3’s assists were legit. Somebody analyzed several games last year and found that he was getting something like 3-4 absurd assists per game – like grabbing a defensive rebound handing it to West who then dribbled all the way up the court through 3 defenders for a layup – and CP3 got an assist.
Any thoughts? He has 10 assists on 22 baskets and hasn’t been on the court for 6 minutes.
Because there are no fours.
Toine
That's absolute nonsense
jibberish.
The only explanation would be that the home scorer is giving him more assists relative to total points scored.
yeah..
…he has 12 assists? no way.
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Are you watching the game
There hasn’t been a fishy assist yet. He’s absolutely carving the Wolves up.
yep...
…and all i’m saying is that on 27 makes with 6 offensive boards, 12 assists seems high, even for a player as good as paul who is getting what he wants against the wolves.
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Seems can mean a lot of things
He has seven steals and only two FGs. Given where he gets his steals that is likely half of his assists right there.
He's not as good as Deron Williams
Great player, but doesn’t have the sense of when to make the easy pass, the way Williams does. Dribbles too much.
Time Out?
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On cue, he calls one.
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the reffing in this game..
….has reached some pretty epically bad proportions.
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Oh Love!
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I expect them to make a run...
Just not with Sessions and Love on the floor…
Hell…this game is still far more competitive than a majority of our games this year…
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Ten points is not unattainable
But we’re due to go back to Flynn.
Within any given game I want to win. Rambis is definitely making himself give Flynn the minutes. Will we see the two PG closing rotation?
I’d enjoy seeing Love get a few minutes’ breath and then finish the game off.
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Wolves have been blocked 8 times.
Another odd statistical trait of this roster.
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possibly due to an undersized front court with love and jefferson and a penetration guard who is still adjusting to the nba
Jefferson and Love will always be that way
Just the way they are. Half the time Al gets his own rejection volleyball-style and puts it back up there.
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Paul on the bench...
Sessions-Love-Al for us.
Time to make a run.
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Nice look from Jefferson
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ATHDE
just switched from the audio feed to the video
CP3 got that assist
legit? a pass to a dribble drive and a shot over a player? hmmm
Because there are no fours.
Toine
Love, heady pass
Love that awareness.
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Love starting to get to the line
Another of his virtues. We now have a few weapons who can stop the clock and take some shots from the line.
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Hope his hand injury was fluky
and he doesn’t have brittle bones because it looks like the MO this year is going to be hard hatchet fouls across both his hands.
Who's Al coming in for? Has to be Love, I guess.
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Ughh
Hollins just has no awareness where his man is on the court. Neither does Al which mean that having your big men show on pick and rolls is untenable. Not sure if that awareness can be taught or learned.
I can't believe they gave Chris Paul an assist there
C’Mon! Okafor had to catch that ball, gather himself and put down an uncontested dunk! If that’s an assist KG should have averaged a triple double in MN
(KG was close enough anyway)
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How many times can we say?
That we have not played particularly well, but we’re still in the game?
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+10 in rebounds
Covers a lot of warts. Another reason the Love is so valuable.
Exactly...
Thanks Kevin…
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Before Love's return,
The Wolves, as of a couple of games back, were down an average of around 4 rebounds a game. Between Love and Jefferson, injuries had turned that team strength into a weakness.
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Who's the red panda?
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Imagine a Wolves team that could shoot
Add a FA shooting guard, draft a three….
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How many times is that?
Lose or not, the handful of times I’ve watched a whole game I am consistently anticipating Rambis’s time outs and substitutions…. Either he’s as mediocre a basketball mind as I am, which possibility I gladly acknowledge, or he makes sense.
I don’t always agree with his rotations, but again, I know why he’s doing things with very few exceptions. He makes sense.
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It's not that Hollins is taking these shots, and traveling
It’s that he’s out there to close out the game.
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Wow, I wanted Love to get that ball!
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It takes mere minutes to get it there.
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Our offense moves at the speed of smell.
You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Dec 4, 2009 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
The olfactory nerve is cranial nerve #1
Can we have big foam noses made up?
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And the dish.
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that was the best dribble drive of the season by anyone on the roster
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Mike Miller, eat your heart out!
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if he can hit the 3 at anywhere near 35-37%..
….he’s going to be an amazingly hard cover
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I'm really skeptical of the three point shooting
But if he can do it (and we have a small sample size indicating it might be the case) he is going to be a uniquely valuable player.
Also, what an incredible pass.
That's the thing about Love vs. Mayo
Love is waaaayyy more unique and rare than Mayo. We can get a shooter in the draft or free agent.
Where is the mid range game?
I’m actually not down on him from deep. Maybe it’s the video of those Final Four full court practice shots.
But can he not take some of Hollins’s 17-footers?
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He better snag another board.
Double double in his first game back. Mmmm.
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by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Dec 4, 2009 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
Love is the engine...
Flynn is the anchor.
For god’s sake Jonny. Until you learn how to anticipate the screen and beat it over the top…just go under. You getting rubbed off EVERY F’ING TIME is doing my head in.
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this is a very poorly officiated game
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Here's where the Refs..
earn their money (in an envelope, placed in a PO Box in New Jersey, in small denomination, non sequential numbers…)
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the nonsesne 3 points..
….at the 1/2, the missed technical on posey for slamming the ball down, 2 steals given to paul where he raked his guy across the hand or forearm…it’s been iffy, and all on scoring plays.
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If anyone thinks Tim Donaghy was a rogue...
They are dreaming. You don’t get away with shit like that unless it is widespread and institutionalized…
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And I love that he does things...
that make others better. He has a multi-dimensional game.
Now that Love is back
I’d enjoy seeing him shoot more, and Gomes (4-14 tonight) and Brewer – a neat 2-7 tonight to add to his 38% – shoot less
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brewer must be in some kind of dog house
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He made some terrible plays tonight and deserves it
Ellington is pushing him. That’s a good thing.
by Rascal Flatts on Dec 4, 2009 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
Thankfully.
We might be seeing a little more Ellington. Especially if he develops some consistency here. This game is a definite confidence booster for him.
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by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Dec 4, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
doesn't his play clearly warrant him getting less minutes?
Is there even a debate about this tonight especially with Ellington playing so well?
the wolves..
…have the worst wing play in the league so i guess there’s really no arguing with it. it was just nice to see some improvement from him earlier in the year and it’s kind of been out of nowhere that he’s losing minutes. it’s not like he’s shooting any worse than he was before.
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Would that be possible?
it’s not like he’s shooting any worse than he was before.
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I think we need to accept...
That Corey Brewer is the Wolves Troy Williamson. We were all so eager for him to succeed that we championed support for him after every minor improvement or victory. The bottom line is this: The ball bounces of Corey Brewer’s facemask a lot more than he makes the reception.
Use him as a situational TR Dunn type player for the next year and a half. Then cut him loose…
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That's harsh.
Brewer at least plays defense and rebounds a little. Williamson had no positive aspects to his game whatsoever.
Although I guess I see the comparison, in that putting either one of them out there on offense is like adding another man to the opponent’s defense.
by Princely Frank on Dec 4, 2009 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
You're right...
Corey does have some D, and you never doubt that he’s trying hard. Whereas Troy was just a lazy bust from Day One.
However, I’ve been rooting for and defending the guy for 3 years. I just can’t do it anymore. The only way he becomes a value-add player on a team is if Popovich gets his hands on him, and turns him into the next Bowen.
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I can see this.
I’m pulling for Corey as hard as anyone, but at some point you either have it or you don’t. Can anyone really see him learning to convert and shoot well enough to merit his minutes if we get a 2 way wing like Evan Turner?
When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story.
"Shoot" may as well be "play"
Gomes in this smaller lineup is basically in Love’s position. Corey, well…. Perhaps he can do his disruptive thing from the bench…. Either way minutes for Love are superior to the other options.
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Congrats
on a double double in the first game back Love, starting right where he left off but now he’s hitting a 3 if it continues
Needs to show consistency with the 3
I’m far more looking forward to him getting to the line, rebounding, and making the mid-range shots. I don’t want him to fall in love with the 3 too much.
by Rascal Flatts on Dec 4, 2009 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
A lot to feel positive about tonight...
1. We were competitive
2. KLove is back
3. Those two facts are completely interrelated…
If we can just get Kurt start Sessions, and Love’s presence limit Hollins minutes, we will be a very improved team…
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and a wing player...
…please, please, please get a wing player.
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Yes...
And lacking that, give Wayne more burn. He really seemed to excel with Love on the court tonight. Love’s rebounding and outlets got him a few easy ones early. That really set him up for a confident, good shooting night.
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I'd love to see a Sessions/Ellington/Gomes/Love/Al lineup for the next game.
As much as I’d prefer Gomes be the first off the bench at the 4… eh. I’d at least like to see Ellington get a shot to start, especially following a game where he had the third most minutes on the team.
You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Dec 4, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
Big Al had a nice game too.
I count three players who I consistently want to see out on the floor for this team right now. That’s more than I could say a week ago.
Flynn was clearly frustrated after being pulled late in the game
At what point do we stop the charade and just start Sessions. It’s the fair thing to do for both players.
by Rascal Flatts on Dec 4, 2009 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
Flynn is doing what a rookie PG should be doing...
Making mistakes, looking out of place, making some plays… But playing Sessions is a win-win. If nothing else, his trade value needs to be bolstered. I would love to see Sessions playing for aobut 30 mpg and Flynn for about 20.
I'm not ready to trade Sessions until Flynn shows he belongs in this league
I’m not sure we know what we’ve got yet. The last thing I’d want to see is Sessions traded for a position of need, only to go off an become a perennial 18 and 10 guy.
by Rascal Flatts on Dec 4, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed.
During the late-1st/early-2nd quarter run, Sessions looked absolutely fantastic. I think trading him away at this point is a gamble. It’s a 4-year contract. I’d vote to wait at least a year before choosing between them.
It's a 4-year, very-decent-terms contract
The contrast between Sessions and Flynn right now reminds me some of that between Billups and Brandon the first year they were together here. People groan about the gaffe of letting Billups go, but Brandon really was a very smooth offensive point guard, and you felt it when he was out there. The original Stop-n-Pop got the offense purring a lot of the time, whereas Chauncey was more the explosive raw talent. It was great having them both on the roster, together.
Well, in this case there’s no looming free agency, and the favorable deal with Sessions means there’s little or no salary pressure. The Wolves have the luxury of taking their time and having nice talent at that position for now. No need to get all excited and trade out of it. Rambis just needs to find the right balance: starting, minutes, who plays best with whom, and so on. If you want to make a choice, you can do so on your terms.
For that matter, the glut of PG talent in the last draft means Sessions’ value isn’t getting any extra oomph from exceptional demand. If there’s a sweet exchange to be had in that trade, it’d be next summer anyway.
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So true...
If Kevin Love had to earn his minutes last year, so does Jonny this year. Bet your ass we wouldn’t see so much BS, Shake n’ Bake from Mr. Out of Control if he knew his job was on the line…
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NETS
NETS WIN, NETS WIN!!!! Lopez and Lee leading the way, let the brothers play!! Remember when we beat them for 1 of our 2 wins on a last second shot? Good times.
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