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For those of you who were around for last night's game, it was probably most notable for the number of Blazers' fans who took the time to stop by and opine about their favorite team.  It was, to say the least, interesting.  

We here in Minnesota are experts in the field of sports psychology.  First of all, outside of the Twinkies, our teams tend to lose in EPIC FAIL fashion.  This teaches most of us--outside of some of the newer and more rabid Vikings' fans--to not internalize the product.  This doesn't preclude a modest emotional investment in the whole lot, but it is enough to shield us against most of the things that emanate from the second source of our sports psych honorary PhD: we live in close proximity to cheese heads.

You see, having lived with cheese heads for many, many years (for those of you non-Minnesotans out there, you should know that Minnesota is filled with cheese heads who want a better life outside of Wisconsin and they wear their cheese head-dom like a scarlet badge of honor come football season), we Minny sports fans know both the needle and the damage done by the almost cultish devotion to a single sports franchise. 

True story: I know a Packer fan down the block who puts up a nativity each year that is spray painted green and gold.  Before the Favre trade, a tiny baby Jesus with a #4 jersey was delicately placed in the manger.  This year, no baby Jesus.  Think about that for a moment.  This man left his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ out of his holiday manger presumably because he could not be adorned with a #4 Packer jersey and he was unwilling to make the change to Aaron Rodgers.

I suspect similar things are happening in Portland.  Anyone who knows a Packers fan and a Blazers fan knows what I am talking about.  They are two peas in a pod.  

Anywho, without getting disrespectful, and without any swears or gratuitous cheap shots at individual fans or players, I'd like to ask our readers if they can come up with a phrase that accurately describes, a'la cheese heads, Blazers fans.  Keep in mind that the beauty of the term "cheese head" is that it is used affectionately within the borders of Wisconsin and derisively from without.  It's not a mean word or even a hateful one.  Case in point, check out Blazer Dave's response to the brew-ha-ha:

Check out the muttering from the ‘Wolves at CanisHoopus.  I noticed that some folks had a bee in their bonnets today because the author over there expressed hatred towards the Blazers and detailed why.  Keep this in mind...there's no surer sign you're becoming a good team than the hatred of your fellow fans.  List all of the teams you really, really dislike in this league.  Whether your list is long or short, I guarantee Memphis is not on it.  Newly-emerged marginal teams aren't hated, they're considered novel and cute and half-rooted for.  When a team is good enough to get your goat repeatedly you start to hate them.  Personally I look forward to the day when every fan from here to Botswana reviles us, curses our name, and casts aspersions upon us every day and twice on Sundays.  Revel in it, folks.

Green and gold, baby, green and gold.

Although, to be fair to Blazers fans, and perhaps this is just my lack of football knowledge shining through, they do seem to have an added component to your typical cheese-headery: the internets. Check out this little nugget from Bill Simmons' latest column on the financial state of the NBA:

Portland seems content to be just a Promising Young Team With a Huge Internet Following for the next 12 years.

Indeed.  Wrapping this little meme up, here's the dirty little secret of this sort of fan-based relationship: no goats are gotten.  I mentioned this in one of the comment sections on this subject, but you don't have to be invested in something or know a lot about it to not like it one bit.  Trust me. Even Blazers' fans know this, as I received all sorts of emails showing them to be quite familiar with the subject.  That being said, as it is with the Packers and the cheese heads, at some point along the way, the fans (and their reactions) become part of the action.  The fandom takes on a life of its own and its identities are internalized to the point where it is almost political in the eyes of its most hardened practitioners; a green and purple upper Midwest, if you will. 

Setting all that aside, last night's game was notable, on the court, for it being the first time where the Jefferson-less Wolves have simply been blah.  There's no other way I can put it.  Portland came to play and win and the Wolves....well, perhaps they needed a belly scratch.  It was ugly, fugly, zugly, mugly, whatever you want to put in front of the "u", go ahead. Unfortunately, at this point in the season, we Wolves fans know the drill: games are no longer about wins, but moral victories and ping-pong balls.  Last night they flubbed the former but made out like gangbusters on the latter.  Both Washington and Sacramento walked away with victories while Our Beloved Puppies...you know.

Something else happened last night that deserves our attention.  This:

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One of the reasons (as if one needs to have any to dislike a particular sports team) I cited for disliking Portland was the role Minnesota played, directly and indirectly, in creating the Blazers' current on-court product.  B-Roy and a coin flip turned them from a Randy Foye led team with LaMarcus Aldridge and Corey Brewer (I doubt they would have taken Brewer, but you get the picture) to whatever it is that has them all hot and bothered, while the Wolves would have Roy, KG, and the #1 pick in the 2007 Draft.  This, however, is not spite or jealousy.  It's something much different and long term.  I'd be lying to you if I said I wasn't a bit annoyed with all the Portland-based nonsense about Pritch-slapping and the almost-creepy love for their GM.  We'll save the big post on the topic for the day #8 and KG are in the same frame, but the thing that truly does annoy me (not to the level of gotten goats, lost sleep, or anything like that) on general principle is the near-complete disregard of the importance of luck in building an NBA franchise.  Kevin McHale is a smart cookie.  From interviews to stories to second-hand accounts to comments from players and peers, the guy knows ball backwards and forwards.  He put together a team with KG and Starbury.  Say what you will about Portland, but not even they have that type of stratospheric talent.  You can quibble about the Ray Allen deal, but McHale picked and traded for the right guys.   He even got the basic idea of how to win with KG right: surround him with two upper-level perimeter players and a bunch of role guys.  

I'm not going tell you that McHale hasn't flubbed up a large amount of what has happened since Starbury went loco and the 1999 Draft.  I'm also not going to tell you that Kevin Pritchard hasn't done a bang-up job in putting together one of the youngest and most exciting teams in the league with cap room and assets to spare.  That's not it at all.  The common thread here is that winning in the NBA requires competence and luck; and that sometimes, the lack of one can cause the other to spiral out of control, even to the best (and worst) of them. That's my cosmic beef with the Blazers: You don't lose an even keel over luck.

Potential epilogue: Of course the great irony here could be that despite all of the luck, the Blazers may have passed on a truly historical talent while Paul Allen finally starts to run out of spendable basketball money.  This would be the rough equivalent of seeing a stereotypical trailer trash family hit the lotto only to have their new tricked-out double wide wiped out by a twister.  I'm not saying I would take any joy in that, but my level of sympathetic response would be heavily dependent on just how loudly they blared their Toby Keith CDs on the best stereo WalMart had to offer.  Right now, there are some awfully loud tunes coming out of Blazer land.

 

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The effect of luck

I am pleased to hear you mention the luck factor in building a winning NBA team. McHale gets pilloried, rightly so, for many blunders, but he is not responsible for our draft position. He was also not responsible for Stephon’s bolting from the Wolves. I feel that act is the single largest reason for our lack of team success in the interim. We have spent years attempting to replace Stephon. Our perimeter players have all been missing the talent level that Marbury possessed. The role of luck and injuries in NBA success is immense.

by ogishkemuncie on Feb 28, 2009 9:38 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

I, too

think the luck is far too often over looked. Collectively, I think MN has been one of, if not the most, unluckiest NBA team over the last 10 years. Stephon’s bolt. Sealy’s death. Brandon’s foot. Hoiberg’s heart. Just to name a few.

Even the Smith signing and subsequent penalty was a huge stroke of bad luck. Let’s face facts – that wink wink contract stuff was going on at that the time with nearly every NBA clubs. I think the NBA was aware and was frankly not concerned about it. So if Smith does not change agents (thereby stiffing the incumbent agent out of his commission on the wink wink contract) do you even think this even comes to light? I don’t. But since it did, Stern had no choose but to whack us big time.

With all this bad luck, I think that McHale was forced to take bigger risks than he should have trying to get the right player mix to take advantage of the once in a lifetime KG. The bigger the risk, the more likely the failure. And with the exception of Year 1 Cassel and Spreewell, our big risk taking mainly failed.

I was absolutely thrilled with the KG trade in that it forced the Twolves to turn the page and start fresh. Yeah, it’s hard to be in your 20th season and back to square 1 (not really – we do have several key parts of a potentially strong team). The decisions in the last couple of years have been, while not spectacular, solid. Sure, we can whine about Roy/Foye; Miller/Love/Mayo. But these decisions were made with some understandable logic – logic that we on a message board might not always agree with it – but if we strip it down – there is some logic. We still got solid players.

Now all we need is a little luck reversal to land us a superstar player (preferable a tall wing who can score) and we should have a long run in the upper levels of the Western Conference. Based on our lousy weather making us NOT a free agent destination, it is about all we will ever be able to ask for. And maybe, we will get lucky one year and win it all!

by Just A Fan on Feb 28, 2009 10:39 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Just a qualifier... I'm a Blazer fan...

I agree with you about the competence and luck aspect of managing a franchise… except for one thing a good GM/Pres. understands that by definition luck is unexpected and unplanned, so it shouldn’t factor in when building a franchise. The fact of the matter is that except for the number 1 pick portland had been drafting at or lower than they were projected to… no luck there just good planning (and the truth is even if we didn’t get the number one pick we still would be where we are now) The whole “creepy-love” thing with our GM can be easily explained by the fact that in only 2 yrs he reshaped the team from the Jailblazers to this young talented up and coming team. (again I’m not including the Oden pick) he did this not through luck but through competence, knowing what he wanted and what other teams wanted. The love is there because every draft pick he has made with the possible exception of one or two has given the Blazers a talented player. The love is there because our GM has never tried underhanded tactics that cost his Franchise 3 first round draft picks, and because our GM makes an effort to create chemistry so the fear that a Foundation Player won’t be dissatisfied and leave is practically non-existent. The love is there because our GM doesn’t rely on luck, but on competence.

by SamGoody on Feb 28, 2009 12:01 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

'Scuse me?

No underhanded tactics? Really? I’m not a lawyer, but when you threaten legal action against teams for signing a talented player trying to make a good faith comeback because it will cost you cap space and insurance money, it sounds a little bit like collusion. Oh, and by the way, that Oden pick your golden boy made is starting to have all the makings of a Sam Bowie-MJ boo-boo. That’s something you folks might remember.

by SFJ on Feb 28, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah...

….that was a bit baffling. It’s hard to get much more underhanded than that. It was a league-wide email threatening legal action with no basis for doing so. In the real world, that sort of thing = immediate lawsuit. In the NBA, it will be a subject in the next CBA bargaining session. The guy also leaked confidential medical information to the press and bad mouthed the guy to other GMs. Again, it’s hard to get more underhanded than that.

Getting away from that subject, I not saying that people should plan for luck or bad luck when building a franchise. I’m pretty sure the moral of the story is that you maintain humility when things go your way (especially if you haven’t really done anything with the better digs yet) because things could go south in a hurry and one questionable decision could spiral out of control. I get the turning around a franchise thing. 2 years ago the Wolves had Marc Blount, Ricky Davis, T-Hud, Marko Jaric, an unworkable superstar contract, a terrible coach, and draft picks owed on the Wally and Cassell deals. It’s fun to see but kind of creepy to obsess about.

Also, just for clarification, Papa Glen is the guy who deserves most of the credit for Mr. Smith.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 28, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

A couple of things...

I like this site, and I like Stop-n-Pop’s style.

Medical information in the NBA is not confidential. When a team trades for a player, they receive medical history information and the player must pass a physical. This is only fair as you don’t want to get a player that had an injury that the team was hiding. Full disclosure of medical issues is normal. Did Pritchard make it public? Yes. Did it have an impact on Miles’ ability to make a living in the NBA? No. That injury report was there for every team to see.

My guess is that the Blazers are going to ask for re-instatement of the Miles cap space since the injury was misdiagnosed by a league doctor. Portland’s decisions were based on that diagnosis being accurate, which it wasn’t. I think they will try to show they did everything they could for the League to not assume liability, hence trying to claim him off waivers and sending the letter out (which the League approved, btw). Portland’s assistant GM is Tom Penn, a lawyer and capoligist. so that might be his fingerprints on the letter. Unless it was Paul Allen’s idea due to ego and checkbook,in which case it was just bush league.

Koponen - PG of the future. For Italy, that is. Book it.

by Blazerholic on Feb 28, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

can I just recommend

the last 5 words of this comment? ;)

by plinytheelder on Feb 28, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

haha!

Koponen - PG of the future. For Italy, that is. Book it.

by Blazerholic on Feb 28, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Do we have any lawyers out there?

We have lots of social scientists here but I’m not sure about lawyers. I think there is still a HIPAA issue when dealing with the press. Team to team is fine, but team to press is not….or so it goes in my pre-pre law mind ;)

Thanks BTW. Glad you like the site.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 28, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not so sure about that.

Oden’s microfracture surgery and rehab have had very public details.

Koponen - PG of the future. For Italy, that is. Book it.

by Blazerholic on Feb 28, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

yes...

….in press releases and I’m sure with his consent.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 28, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Medical information in the NBA is not confidential.

I work in the medical field, but not in your jurisdiction, but I would say this about confidentiality.

Releasing medical information to another party, ie. another team, does not reduce an individuals right to said confidentiality. Consent granted to a third party does not give that party the right to broadcast the information to whomever they choose.

As for misdiagnosis, well I’d say good luck. Diagnoses do not come with money back guarantees. Doctors make good faith decisions based on the information they have in front of them. The Blazers will have to prove gross negligence to win.

by Auswolf on Feb 28, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

danke

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 28, 2009 6:50 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

What's with with letting the other teams know where you stand?

Portland basically told teams that if you try and sabotage us for no reason, we will sue you. This is perfectly legit.

However, once Memphis decided to actually commit to Miles past his 10 games, Portland pursued no action.

Portland never had an issue with a team wanting to sign a “talented” player. Portland would have only had an issue if a team let Miles play 2 games and then dropped him.

The biggest issue here is that the NBA needs to come up with something to prevent this from happening again. Everyone else seems to forget that a guy who was never supposed to play again according to numerous doctors did. Portland ate a huge loss because of this. Had Portland been told “Yeah, this guy is seriously hurt and might not play again, but be ready to pay for him in case he can,” there wouldn’t have been much of an issue. As it was, Darius decided to set the precedent for a career ending injury turned into comeback.

The NBA changes rules when Portland runs the 6 man play. Why don’t they change the rules for this?

by Zaig on Feb 28, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I'd be staggered....

if Portland were told that it was a 100% solid gold guarantee that Miles would never play again. Doctors, and particularly in litigious jurisdictions like the United States, rarely talk in absolutes.

by Auswolf on Feb 28, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

not that he wouldnt, but that he shouldnt

Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212

http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html

by maid tu rek on Feb 28, 2009 6:06 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

well in the fake world, it just ='s a bunch of bitter angry bloggers looking for an excuse to get self rightious

Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212

http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html

by maid tu rek on Feb 28, 2009 6:20 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

oops, guess i shoulda kept readin, my bad

Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212

http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html

by maid tu rek on Feb 28, 2009 6:20 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

That wasn't underhanded

It played out in public, which makes it . . . . overhanded?

Sticking up for Travis Outlaw since 2008.

by Kaboomm on Feb 28, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Nope

Underhanded is not synonymous with stealth.

Duplicity and treachery…Pritchard pretty much provided a dictionary-ready example of the word.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 28, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

You are right about "Blazermaniacs"

Although, for an alternative, given the prevalence of microbrews in the Northwest, maybe “hopheads” could serve as an alternative. . . . Wait, it means what?

Sticking up for Travis Outlaw since 2008.

by Kaboomm on Feb 28, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I like it...

….because it can also be shortened (derisively) to “BMs”. I think that’s as close as it gets.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 28, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Salmonistas

Salmonistas
Rainmakers
Net Heads

by Blossum Powerpuff on Feb 28, 2009 12:18 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

I have no idea what that means...

..but it made me think of this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/26/science/earth/26charmin.html?_r=1

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 28, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

it wasn't meant to be offensive...

I just find it funny all the stereotypes the NW gets, if you ever fly over Oregon, Idaho, or Washington you’ll see that it’s a checker-board of clear-cut forests. If we were true tree-huggers it would still be lush.

by Oggbog on Feb 28, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Nice post.

Interesting that you included the quote from the Blazer blog guy too – the one about “everyone hating us.” If there’s a sure, tried-and-true sign of collective psychosis, it’s the idea that “everyone hates us” – i.e. that no one else has anything better to do than to spend his/her time hating the group to which you belong (country, political party, fans of a sports team, etc.). If you think about it, it’s an astounding form of narcissism – you basically assume that everyone is thinking about you all the time; that no one else has anything better to do than to sit and stew about how much they hate you. How infantile. I visited the Blazers site during the whole Darius Miles thing, and I’d estimate that about 95% of the comments were in this vein – “everyone else is wrong and we’re right.” Anyways, that’s pretty much all I have to say about the matter, nice post.

by plinytheelder on Feb 28, 2009 12:22 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

It's like listening to Rush or Hannity

I keep waiting to go over there and see something to the effect of “You’re a great Blazer fan” as the standard greeting.

I suppose it’s the poli/sci degree doing the talking, but I think a post detailing the comparisons between the American hard right and Blazer Nation would be an interesting topic. They’re well on their way towards becoming a completely insular culture with their own set of explanations and definitions for things that go by other names and descriptions outside their borders. It’s like Bobby Jindal citing Katrina as an example of why we should trust Republicans again or wondering what in the hell Republicans are talking about when they get all pissy about the census, volcanoes, and field mice. When you only listen to Rush, life tends to pass you by.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 28, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

BTW:

This may be my favorite internet comment of all time:

Regarding the CanisHoopus hate

When will Blazers fans realize that blogs like that and Bill Simmons are just writing that stuff to get hits. Feel free to read it, just don’t encourage them to write more crap like that by joining and commenting.

The think the worst part of the whole Miles debacle is that people like that guy from CanisHoopus now thinks Miles is a saint. I wonder how many bloggers are going to name their son "Darius" after their patron saint of blogger soapboxes.

When pressed on whether or not he was serious or not, he chose seriousness.

Do you think the NBA can switch up the schedule so the Wolves only have to play the Blazers twice a year?

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 28, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I didn't know you were so hits needy

It’s sort of hilarious that you could write terrible terrible things about any other hoops franchise and none of the fans would take notice, but if you write something slightly offensive to a blazermaniac or a kobe fan, you should prepare to be accused of using incendiary writing to gain fame.

Still, I don’t hate the blazers or anything. If they were playing the lakers in the playoffs, I would definitely cheer for the blazers. I do think there’s something interesting about the internet blazermaniac culture though, and the presumptuousness and defensiveness can be either amusing or annoying.

I have to wonder if the Blazers will turn out like the promising Bulls of a few years ago or if they’ll actually do something with their promise. Yeah, the Blazers have cap room now, but eventually teams have sign their star players to 12 million dollars a year deals and such. Sometimes, it’s better to just let them go if they’re not really one of the top 15 players in the league. On the other hand, Lemarcus Aldridge and Brandon Roy plus one more star player could be a championship core.

by oblivionspocket on Feb 28, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Actually, has anyone else noticed the little Freudian slip

in the citation from the Blazer Edge guy above?

there’s no surer sign you’re becoming a good team than the hatred of your fellow fans. List all of the teams you really, really dislike in this league. Whether your list is long or short, I guarantee Memphis is not on it.

Oh really? Well, if no one hates Memphis, then why, when they signed Miles to the contract that put his salary back on the Blazers’ books, did the Blazer fans literally flood the Grizzlies blogs with comments? And when I say comments, I mean, at best, venomous, hate-filled, offensive crap, and at worst, sheer racism – you should have seen some of the stuff those guys had deal with. No one hates Memphis, you say? Hmmm…

by plinytheelder on Feb 28, 2009 6:24 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

two words to describe my current thoughts about Blazer-dom

emotionally draining

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 28, 2009 6:53 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

omg, it is

Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212

http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html

by maid tu rek on Feb 28, 2009 6:54 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I personally don't understand all the animosity

I remember watching the t’wolves when they drafted garnett. I was amazed that players out of high school could be so good (and freakishly athletic in the case of KG), part of this had come from watching Shawn Kemp and Gary Payton come together and create such an exciting atmosphere in the North West. We still had Drexler and Porter with a rotating cast or solid role players making us proud of the region, but by the time that the glory days in this region started to fall apart, it looked like Minnie’s days were just beginning. I was really hopeful that it could come together and it was.

Portland started to develop a contender, but the character was resisted by the public (in many cases rightfully so, I mean seriously, you’re earning millions / year and you want to smuggle a couple of ounces of pot, wrapped in foil, down your pants, and through airport security…. embarrassing) Even with the character issues, we had a chance to win, came down to a 14pt lead in 4th qrt of game 7 wcf… plop.

What’s going on in Portland is that people are excited again, trust me there are a lot of bandwagon fans around these parts that are determined to prove that their fandom out-ranks yours by bashing anyone in reach of a blog. It’s just silly though. I am glad our team is progressing, we are excited about the future.

Your team seems to be on the rise as well, I really hope Al Jefferson’s recovery is complete and timely, because that guy is just exciting to watch. A real gem. Anyway, I hope that both teams will continue on the rise and we’ll have good matchups for years to come.

by Oggbog on Feb 28, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

An insular culture isn't neccesary--

- to create those condtions. All cultures exhibit them. Add my voice to the other Blazers fans who like this site, but consider these particular complaints to be emotional bitter/sour grapes vs. constructive insight. We have our own— the Miles case being the most obvious. We may have an irrational hate for the guy, but the dislike is completely rational. That is, from a perspective of a middle class guy like myself struggling to get by in life (maybe because I also chose PS as a major—what was I THINKING?) while some jerk makes millions yet barely bothers to show up for work, let alone pretend he cares when he’s there.

by stax o' wax on Feb 28, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Pliny is a fine beer--

— one of my faves (as is RR’s Pliny the Younger that recently came out). But considering it’s Californian, your comments must be taken with some reservation. Oh, and you are wrong.

by stax o' wax on Feb 28, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

This sight gives

hate a whole new name. Have fun playing Brian Cardinal huge minutes, scrubs.

Oden/Pryz
LMA/Frye
WebFoot/Trout
Roy/Rudy
Blake/Bayless
**Champs 08-09**

by BigCelPhone on Feb 28, 2009 3:08 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

And your post gives

stupidity a familiar one. Have fun, Champs 08-09.

by TheH on Feb 28, 2009 6:59 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

KG & Marbury

"He put together a team with KG and Starbury. Say what you will about Portland, but not even they have that type of stratospheric talent. "
um….. really…? look i think that was an exciting pairing and pre Ive Lost My Mind Stephon was a potentially great player…. but…. i think you’ve overstated it a wee bit…

by bklynblazr on Feb 28, 2009 3:35 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

In hindsight...

….and in light of the head tattoo, it’s often hard to remember just how good and put-together Marbury was way back then and how much potential he had. The guy was unbelievable. The sky was the limit when those two were first put together. The guy came out the gate a’blazing:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/marbust01.html

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 28, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

AYO

mayn i wuz at de game an it wuz BY FAR de worst basketball uv de year.

BUT crunchs b day wuz thowed mayn! me an mah bois wuz wildin out on de killl mayn!

MAYN HOL UP!

by MAYNHOLUP on Feb 28, 2009 3:51 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

I saw they had the other mascots there as well

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 28, 2009 4:07 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Luck?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2006/05/23/nba-lottery-raptors.html

It’s called karma, genius. Look, I can understand disliking Blazer management. Even the most rabid Blazer fans think the Miles email was a bonehead move. But the way they have been able to pry the best young players from other GMs has been nothing short of masterful.

It’s hard to read this post from a fan of the team that had Brandon Roy in their lap and not think it’s just a bunch of sour grapes. Do you seroiously believe McHale wouldn’t give up Foye and a cool million for Roy? If so, you’re nuts. The trade was freaking highway robbery.

I guess my biggest beef is this. I know I see the world through red and black glasses, but are the Blazers players really the kind of players you hate, as a sports fan? Last time I checked, Ricky Davis is not on the roster. They don’t generally complain to refs. They don’t play dirty. They don’t flop (with the exception of the Spaniards). They are basically a team with the demeanor of Al Jefferson, one of the best dudes in the league. Again, it just seems like sour grapes.

I went to see a Wolves game when I was up there over Christmas. I have to tell you it felt so much like a Blazers game circa 2006-2007. A couple really nice young pieces, a couple dregs left from past regimes, some salary filler. Well, it felt the same except for that barn you call an arena, the shoddy in-game entertainment and all the hockey and Vikings jerseys.

My point is this. We’ve been there. We can relate. I hope your owners rebuild your team as successfully as ours have. Because then I might care about your team enough to find reasons to despise them. Right now, they don’t even rate.

Stay classy, Minny.

by obrien2020 on Feb 28, 2009 4:35 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

/thread

Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212

http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html

by maid tu rek on Feb 28, 2009 6:56 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

yeah, u might consider adding him/her on to the team

Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212

http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html

by maid tu rek on Feb 28, 2009 7:24 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

thx.

great site man.

by obrien2020 on Feb 28, 2009 7:39 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

appreciate it

I could’ve explained the hybrid analogy more. The crux of the episode was that people driving hybrids in South Park wouldn’t stop talking about how good of people they were for buying hybrids and passive-aggressively criticizing those who didn’t have them (their smugness was exemplified by their tendency to smell their own farts). To turn a personal example into this analogy, I’d seriously consider buying a hybrid if I could afford taking on that type of payment, but my ‘97 lumina gets 30 mpg and is paid in full. Like Wolves fans, I don’t begrudge those doing better but realize that success is never completely luck or completely good choices.

Hypothetical question: what if the Wolves had waited until Nate McMillan’s contract expired and hired him instead of Dwane Casey?

by pagingstanleyroberts on Feb 28, 2009 9:30 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

If I recall correctly, the Wages of Wins Journal found that it wasn't a very big influence

Your estimate might be about right. I’d say that, relative to an average NBA coach, Nate McMillan is a +1 or +2 win coach, while someone like Poppovich or Sloan would be +3 or +4 wins. Vinny Del Negro is probobly -2 or -3.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Feb 28, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

thanks for the stats

Part of the hypothetical relates to the revolving door of coaches from the Wolves. Would the FO have let him coach his way and not pulled the plug on him like they did casey? Having a coach in place makes it easier to pick players to fit a particular style.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Feb 28, 2009 10:02 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Well...

…at least we can agree on the Lakers. That was our team with sweet baby blue unis:

Not a lot of lakes in LA. Here’s my favorite in Minneapolis:

I think I have run around that thing a thousand times.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Mar 1, 2009 8:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Potential is a wonderful thing...

……………………….. even St. Kevin of Rosequarter gushed about the POTENTIAL of Oden to win 10 NBA championships (I am NOT making this up!) and with a team this young — and this good while being so young — people have rosy red glasses that turns the whole world Trailblazer colors…

The reason that POTENTIAL has so much traction in Portland is because there is a very clear and easily understood plan in motion: to draft players for character and desire to work hard, and to hold the core together indefinitely, playing as one in the San Antonio style. Everything about the Blazers’ plan is based on the San Antonio model. It’s just a matter of accumulating the “right” pieces, holding them, and letting them develop.

Now much of this optimism is misplaced, because the world and the NBA aren’t going to stand still for Portland as the wine ages in the cask. There will be hot young teams emerging elsewhere (watch out for OKC, for example), there will be injuries and disaffection to players in the Blazers’ vaunted core… Still it’s pretty hard not to get swept up with the idea of flushing the old Jailblazers and building it from the ground up — and then keeping it together. It has been pretty impressive to date.

In terms of fan smugness: true. But every team has a certain percentage of insufferably smug fans. Since there are more Blazer fans floating around on the ether, you are apt to notice them more…

Why is Channing Frye still here? Anybody??? Anybody???

by timbo on Mar 2, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If becomes Timbo is the voice of reason...

….that surely a sign the world is ending

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by 92wastheyear on Mar 5, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Ben's version

Pritch-neeshee

Click link for derivation

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by 92wastheyear on Mar 1, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

but eventually...

…he’ll leave the team. Green Bay will always have cheese heads, not Favre Fanatics. I like it, but it’s short term.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Mar 1, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No, KP is a lifer.

Why is Channing Frye still here? Anybody??? Anybody???

by timbo on Mar 2, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I want editable boards...

Why is Channing Frye still here? Anybody??? Anybody???

by timbo on Feb 28, 2009 9:28 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Feb 28, 2009 9:29 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Last year....

…the Wolves had a home game with a TV audience of 1,100. We started this thing out with less than 100 hits/day. The Vikings and Twins dominate the local sports scene. While we’ve grown quite a bit this year, this is the first time we’ve had a rec issue. That being said, it looks kind of goofy and we may have to boost it…to 2 ;)

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by Stop-n-Pop on Mar 1, 2009 8:30 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

In other news,

I just read that Jaric has missed 21 straight shots. Man, that must be hell.

by plinytheelder on Mar 1, 2009 10:35 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

he's a married man now..

….with a lot on his mind.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Mar 1, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta love how this discussion remains polite (especiall on the internet) while at in the same week there was a thing on our news because supporters of a flemish team were collectivly singing “De walen zijn pedofielen” during a soccer game. “De Walen” are the french speaking people as most of you probably know and the whole Dutroux thing might be 8 years passed now but it’s still a very touchy subject here…

As a side note they showed a thing from a few years back where the fans were singing that a certain player’s mom was a whore. They then went on to interview that guy’s mother and father with the father saying very calmy that he didn’t believe it because she was only alone for 2 hours a week when he was playing cards and she was in church during that time so it couldn’t be true and all kinds of pure “logical” arguments why I couldn’t be true. Man that was hilarious (all fake though!).

Anyway, my point is, kudos to keeping it civil to both parties. Keep in mind that it’s just entertainment.

Not sure if I should put it in a separate post but since I already waited 90 posts to reply I think I can get away with this long a post.

On Miles:
I get the point with the whole “if you do it because you wanna hurt is we’re gonna be pissed if you do it because you want him it’s ok thing”. The problem is that this “pitch” was introduced way too late and way too weak. If it was litterally put in that way and repeated 3 to 4 teams everyone would have said “ok” but it wasn’t really clearly explained that way from the get-go. Some of the blame for that rests on Blazers, a small bit rests on the media, though I think how you handle the media is your own responsability, why else do you pay ppl to handle the media…

As the draft was one of the first things I was able to follow a bit more closely I do like the way the Blazers are going, but as we Wolves know all to well, you haven’t won till you’ve won … and Blazers haven’t won. That said, I like the team, like where they’re heading and am hoping for a friendly kind of rivalry in 3 seasons or so.

Beater of the early Thabeet drum

by Wim (Belgium) on Mar 2, 2009 9:40 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

man, that's an ugly chant -

can I ask who the teams were? I take it Standard Liège was de walen (just a guess since they’re good)?

by plinytheelder on Mar 2, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly don’t know, don’t remember the colors of the jerseys they were wearing but Standard is a pretty good guess. Hope they’ll be able to fix that kind of things cuz it’s really not about sports anymore.

Beater of the early Thabeet drum

by Wim (Belgium) on Mar 3, 2009 9:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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