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Mid-season draft board, pt. i: grading the guards

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It's that time of year again.  Time to start plugging the college stats in to our handy-dandy excel spread sheet to see which players are performing at draft-worthy levels.  Last year I simply offered up one big generic draft board instead of breaking it down by position.  This year, I will be breaking things down by guards, swingmen, and bigs.  I'll list each separately and then give you a master list after we have gone through all three tiers.  

The formula I am using for grading these players is pretty simple; I take 13 key indicators of basketball success, add and subtract them together, and divide by the number of games played.  The formula is a work in progress but it is based on Dave Berri's Win Score.  I use his weights for blocks, assists and personal fouls.  In addition to his metrics, I use OReb%, %Poss, eFG%, FTRate, and estimated PL.   With no further delay, here are the 14 guards I measured with their Hoopus Score:

  1. Ty Lawson (19.942)
  2. James Harden (19.4)
  3. Stephen Curry (19.123)
  4. Jeff Teague (18.126)
  5. Nick Calathes (17.877)
  6. Lee Cummard (16.88)
  7. Eric Maynor (16.081)
  8. Darren Collison (14.785)
  9. Gerald Henderson (14.27)
  10. Tyreke Evans (13.355)
  11. Jonny Flynn (13.209)
  12. Willie Warren (11.9)
  13. Jrue Holiday (11.180)
  14. A.J. Price (10.21)

Just to give you an idea of how much of a one-man draft this year's affair is, Blake Griffin scored a 26.822.  His dominance knows no equal in college ball.  Actually, that's not completely true.  He may only be the 2nd most dominant baller on campus.

I think you can break this year's guards down into three distinct categories: Lawson, Harden and Curry; Teague, Calathes, Cummard and Maynor; and the rest of the bunch. 

If the Wolves find themselves in a position to take one of the top tier guards with their top pick (likely in the 7-10 range) and guys like Evan Turner (18.32), Cole Aldrich (21.319) and Jordan Hill (19.638) are not on the board, and they pass on one of these three, there had better be a good reason for it.  2nd tier players like Teague and Calathes could be available with the Heat pick (not likely with Teague) but they would be a fairly significant step down from what the Wolves need: a guy who can split the point with Bassy or take some weight off Randy Foye.

The way things stand right now, I think the a-plus, numero uno, super-duper, geeked out scenario for OBZs is that Stephen Curry is on the board when David Stern announces that Minnesota is on the clock with the 7th, 8th, 9th, or 10th pick in the draft.  Curry is a guard who can be the guy with the ball in his hands; initiating the offense, bringing the rock up under pressure, and so on and so forth.  His size is a bit of a concern and the game against Purdue showed that he can be neutralized if the opposing team throws everything it has at him, but in the NBA he will not be an A1 option; he will be a guy who handles the ball, runs the offense and, hopefully, gets a lot of open looks from beyond the arc.  If Bassy/Foye is a working back court model (it's not the best; I get that), then I'm not really sure how Curry could scare anyone away with his size + shooting ability.  Given the Wolves' likely drafting position, and the way they are playing of late, I think Curry has to be considered the goal of the draft.  (BTW: If the Wolves don't land Stephen, perhaps they can wait around a few years for Seth ;) )

Lawson offers Wolves fans an interesting option should he be on the board when the 1st pick comes around.  On one hand there is some pretty solid statistical evidence to suggest that he's the best guard in college ball.  Forget Harden for a second; Lawson runs a precision offense on one of the best teams in college ball.  He has done so for 3 years now, improving with every campaign.  He is solid with the ball and he excels in transition.  His eFG% is something that most fans would give their left arm for to see in Bassy.  He is strong and athletic and possesses world class basketball quickness...all the while maintaining the 3rd best OE in college ball.  On the other hand, he's short and only 2 years younger than Bassy.  His numbers suggest that he could function as a sort of Super Bassy; stronger, faster, better shooting, superior facilitating numbers, etc.  However, do the Wolves use their first pick on the same type of player as Bassy and hope that he develops into our theoretical Super Bassy, or do they attempt to find someone with a bit different game?

Out of the rest of the bunch, I have to say that I am a big Nick Calathes fan and I have no idea why he's not getting more attention.  Let's say that the Wolves luck into either a top 3 pick or someone like Evan Turner between 7-10.  Nick Calathes is exactly the type of guy you want to see with one of the later picks.  From his size to his passing to his rebounding to damn near everything else, he would be a nice compliment to Foye. 

For some reason that I can't explain with stats or rational argument, Jeff Teague scares the bejeezus out of me and I hope the Wolves don't land him. 

I was fairly surprised to see how poorly Jrue Holiday performed in our little formula.  I'm hoping to see more of him as the year goes on.  I've seen 3-4 of his games and he just looks like a good baller.  His stats, on the other hand, leave much to be desired.  Here's hoping it's just the UCLA offense keeping him in check. 

Let's take a look at some key stats of the top 7 players in this grouping:

Lawson Harden Curry Teague Calathes Cummard Maynor
ORtg 133.7 118.1 120.8 114.9 118.3 126.7 117
%Poss 22.4 33.7 38.1 27.9 28.4 23.5 33.0
eFG 61.7 58.7 55.5 58.3 62.0 61.4 54.1
ARate 36.3 29.8 42.6 22.3 37.5 20.8 38.8
TORate 15.5 17.8 15.8 20.6 21.1 11.9 16.4
FTRate 55.2 64.9 35.3 56.4 45.3 28.1 43.9
3% .466 .370 .379 .544 .434 .441 .403
2% .582 .603 .542 .511 .596 .600 .507
OReb% 3.0 6.4 1.9 1.5 3.2 6.2 1.8

A few things of note.  First, I always like to compare the ratio of ORtg to %poss.  It's one thing for a guy on a good team to put up huge ORtg numbers (see Lawson, Ty) but not factor in a huge number of possessions; it's quite another for someone to carry a superior ORtg while doing a ton on the offensive end of the court (see Curry, Stephen).  Second, another ratio I like to look at is the relationship between FTRate and 3%/2%.  If guys aren't getting to the line, how are they scoring?  Do they rely too much on the short college 3?  Are they able to maintain a mid-range game?  What about the opposite scenario?  If a player relies on getting to the line, how does he fare from long distance?  Does he make mid-range shots?  A few other points of interest:

  • Check out Curry's ARate
  • Harden, Calathes and Cummard have fantastic 2%
  • Teague has a problematic TORate
  • Breaking these guys into groups, I think you pit Lawson against Maynor, Calathes against Harden, Cummard against Teague, and Curry against everyone.  Maynor and Lawson are the purest points of the group; Harden and Calathes have the most combo potential; Cummard and Teague seem to be the most 2-guard oriented; and Curry is a brand all on to himself. 

Finally, I'm still tinkering with this formula so it will likely change by the end of the year.  Ideally, I'd like to have everything on a 20 point scale.  Whatever happens with it, at the end of the year I'll run the same formula on everyone and then compare it to last year's draft picks so that you can have a bit of context to what we're measuring here.  Stay tuned for parts ii (bigs)  and iii (swingmen and wrap up).

Until later.

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It's interesting that you are so high on Curry

because, to paraphrase you, he scares the bejeezus out of me. I’ve watched several Davidson games this year, and I have no faith in him as a pro point at all. He just isn’t strong enough with the ball, quick enough either with the ball or defending, and isn’t really a point guard at all. I can see him with a career—his dad’s. An off the bench shooter. No shame in that, but I’d want to land a starter with their top pick.

Teague, I agree, might not be a point guard either. And he’s awful small as a 2. But I think he could become a decent point. Lawson is interesting; I’m a little suprised that Collison doesn’t rate better.

by Eric in Madison on Feb 5, 2009 6:13 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I've gone back and forth...

….on Curry. After that Purdue game I took him off the list. However, as far as numbers are concerned (which is the MO of this site’s approach to college players; we don’t have the time to watch them all) he’s solid. I agree….he’s a scary player with the top pick. I’m really hoping that Evan Turner decides to come out and is waiting there between 7-10 and that Cole Aldrich is there with the Heat pick. Maybe they could even find a way to get Lawson as well.

I think I’m about to get Westbrook’d with Collison and Holiday. UCLA’s offense doesn’t give its perimeter players a chance to go nuts. Those two are guys that will need some solid scouting.

A lot of this will depend on how some of these guys play out close to draft day. If it looks like Curry will slip down the board to the Heat pick range, then his value increases if they can get him with the 2nd pick. Same goes for guys like Aldrich and Lawson.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 5, 2009 7:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

PS:

Lawson + Aldrich would be fine as well. At this point, I don’t think you could go wrong with a draft like that.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 5, 2009 7:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You could also..

…then package Miller + Pekovic + the Utah/Boston pick for a fairly decent player/high pick.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 5, 2009 7:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Holiday

One thing I think you need to account for with Holiday is that he’s currently playing off the ball, but most draft experts see him as a Point Guard in the future. So I’m not sure how much information we’ll get from him via statistical analysis. How did Westbrook grade out statistically last year? Was he significantly better?

by Blakeley on Feb 5, 2009 7:10 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Holiday

Holiday plays off the ball and on the ball. He sometimes leads the team in assists, which is pretty impressive considering who he is playing next to. I think Holiday is definitely a kid we need to keep an eye on, never mind the numbers. The other thing the numbers don’t seem to capture is on the ball defense. Holiday is a two-way player (like Evan Turner by the way) and that lends an extra oomph to his draft stock in my opinion. On a per minute basis, Holiday’s numbers are right there – even better in some circumstances – with Westbrook from Russel’s sophomore year.

by Rascal Flatts on Feb 5, 2009 7:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I haven't run his old numbers yet...

…I was going to run the top 10 of last year’s class at the end of this college season.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 5, 2009 7:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I know he can't be included in your model but...

Brandon Jennings could very well be one of the best guards in this draft. He’s a true PG who knows how to run an offense and has a lot of potential on both sides of the floor. Add to that the fact that he is likely to slip to the 6-10 range, and I you have a guard I’d be happy to draft. He definitely warranted a mention I think ;-)

by ambientmufasa on Feb 5, 2009 7:12 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed...

…and I have absolutely zero idea how to deal with Euro stats. Here’s hoping that the Wolves have a solid European scouting division.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 5, 2009 7:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My suggestion

would be to use Hollinger’s rough conversion percentages for Euro numbers to the NBA, and then slot those into your system. You could test it on Jennings and Rubio, and if the results are reasonable, you might have a best guess estimate to use for your system.

by McCleak on Feb 5, 2009 7:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not a bad idea..

…I’ll see how much of a headache it would be to put into an Excel sheet.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 5, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he's hardly even playing over there...

It looks like he’s averaging less than 20 min per game

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=001219

It will be tough to evaluate him statistically. I’m guessing his draft stock will be based on scouting and pre-draft workouts.

by highpockets on Feb 6, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He's been the recipient....

of many a Love outlet pass too. My hope is his European experience has humbled the kid and refined his appreciation for the nitty gritty aspects of the game, because there is no doubt he has the physical tools.

by Rascal Flatts on Feb 5, 2009 7:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Evan Turner

SNP, are you counting him as a SF in your analysis or are you excluding him because you don’t think he’ll come out. To your point, that dude is the real deal. I think if anyone is close to being the second coming of Brandon Roy, it’s Evan Turner, and with defense to boot.

by Rascal Flatts on Feb 5, 2009 7:19 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I am...

..he’s with the swingmen group. I also am not sure if he’ll come out or not.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 5, 2009 7:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Westbrook retrospective

on draftexpress

http://www.draftexpress.com/blog/NBA-Coverage/#Rookie-Retrospective-Russell-Westbook-3100

Any guard that comes out of Howland’s system can defend, which is what I like about Holiday

by BDavige on Feb 5, 2009 9:11 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

If Holiday can keep up...

the numbers he’s put up in the last 3 games I think he’ll likely be a very high pick. In the couple of games I’ve seen him play I couldn’t get a feel for how fast he is or really what kind of a handle he has in general.

by Pants_ on Feb 6, 2009 8:08 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I really like Holiday too....

…..he passes the eyeball test. It will be interesting to see if he’s big and quick enough.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 6, 2009 9:19 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Star Power

The Wolves need a star guard. By that, I don’t mean Kobe Bryant—he’s not walkin’ through that door. What I do mean, is a Richard Hamilton, Ray Allen, Deron Williams, Brandon Roy or OJ Mayo. A true impact player with a chance to be All-NBA someday. Which of these players has the best chance to be that?

I’ve seen a decent amount of Curry, Teague, Collison and Henderson. Of the four, I feel very confident that Collison will not be an impact player in the pros. I think Curry is a safe bet to have a long career, but probably as a role/bench player. It’s just too hard for me to tell if a guy like him is going to be Steve Nash or JJ Redick—I think Nash has that “God-given” point guard ability that has allowed him to do what he’s done, despite being 6’3" and slow. Most of the guys like that are role players in the NBA. Teague has some Randy Foye/Ben Gordon qualities, but probably needs to get stronger—and he doesn’t elevate well on his jumpshot (neither does Curry). I think Teague will be a solid player, but not what the Wolves need, since he plays like Foye. I really like Gerald Henderson, but he’s 6’4" and that makes him a two-guard. He plays a little bit more like a forward. Without having seen all of these guys, I’m pretty confident he’s the best defender in the group. He’s also probably the best athlete. This is the first year that he’s put it together for a bigtime season (27-point loss at Clemson notwithstanding). Still, given the current needs of the Wolves and with Randy Foye playing pretty well off the ball, I don’t like taking a two guard like Henderson in the lottery.

I’ve seen less, and in some cases none, of the other guys on the list. Harden gets a lot of praise, so he must be a good player. In the tiny bit I’ve seen of him, his feet look a little slow, which scares me a little bit. Even if he’s skilled and can play offense at the next level, I think the Wolves need to put a bit more emphasis on defense and athleticism as we move forward with Foye, Love and Jefferson as our core. Calathes has slow white boy written all over him—but like Harden, gets a lot of praise, so maybe he’ll make it as a pro—he does have good size. Tyreke Evans has good size, but seems to be struggling, so far. Plus, he’s not considered an elite athlete, from what I’ve read. Holiday sounds good, but again—he’s 6’3"—he better be a special player for us to take a 6’3" guard.

I guess with all of the doubt surrounding the US college guards, I’d like to see/hear more about Rubio and Jennings. If either looks like an elite point guard, I’d be all for taking them.

by Andy G on Feb 6, 2009 9:12 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Evans..

….has really turned it around since being moved to the point. It will be interesting to see how he does the rest of the way. I don’t think there are any star quality guards in this draft. There is some buzz about a kid who will likely come out next year (John Wall), but not this year….except for Rubio. Here’s hoping that the Wolves have their ducks in a row when it comes to scouting Rubio and Jennings.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 6, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I remember hearing that Evans was a huge recruit for Calipari—same with DeRozan for USC (assuming he’ll be in your swingman post?). I’ve also read that Evans is unlikely to declare, this year, though. I’ll keep an eye on him. I think Memphis plays Gonzaga on tv, this weekend.

by Andy G on Feb 6, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Evans continued

Listening to Jim Rome talk with Calipari on his radio show, the reason Evens wasn’t @ point to begin with was John likes his scorers not to be the PG. But he had seen enough after 9 games to put Evans in the spot and let him run with it. I think you will see better number from Evans as he settles in.

Sometimes the obvious is hidden.

by frankenhoops on Feb 6, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would love

to see Evans continue to blossom at PG. Not sure why it was mentioned that he wasn’t that great athletically. On the contrary, that is his strong point. Fast, strong, can jump, and has great size if he did turn out to be a legit PG (6-5). Go Tyreke. Wow right now on draftexpress.com they have us nabbing with our 3 picks – Thabeet, Evans, and Terrence Williams. Now that is some athleticism. I could live with that draft….

by wolfen on Feb 9, 2009 8:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Holiday seems to actually be 6'3''

versus being listed at 6’3’’ and being 6’1’’. There aren’t many starting PG’s in the NBA taller than 6’3’’. Jason Kidd… Rodney Stuckey… Jamal Crawford…

I could be wrong on his height but he clearly stands multiple inches (I’d guess 3-4) above Collison and he looks to have long arms.

And yes… if we take him in the top 7 he better be special.

by Pants_ on Feb 6, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree with Andy G

This is really the first time in a long time that I can remember myself getting increasingly UNDERWHELMED as the college season has progressed. The only players I really feel interested in are Griffin, Rubio, Harden, and Thabeet (who I still kind of hate). I’d say that if we are picking in the top 10, and have no shot at one of thsoe guys, we should package our pick for a veteran. The two I’d love to get are Butler and Martin. I wonder if Washington would agree to this trade…

Butler, Songalia and Dixon

for

Miller, Craig Smith, Cardinal, and our Top 10 Pick.

The tipping point could be us taking Songalia’s awful contract off their hands, but I think it would be worth it to get a shot at a player like Butler.

by Blakeley on Feb 6, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it also seems undwerhelming...

….because last year’s group was one of the best classes of the past 20 years.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 6, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

SNP...

Using the same analysis, how do Russell Westbrook’s stats from last year compare to these guys at this point in the season? Can you run the numbers?

I was SHOCKED when he was drafted #4 overall, and had no faith in him. However, he’s been a STUD in the NBA. Sometimes you just have to wait and see who can play on the NBA level.

I am curious…

by College Wolf on Feb 6, 2009 9:52 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I will run them at the end of the year...

…I don’t have any way to break down month-by-month stats from last season. Westbrook is interesting. If he can improve his shooting and turnover numbers he’ll be really fantastic. If his shot never comes along…that’s problematic.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 6, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Can you...

Just compare Westbrook’s season totals from last year to the guys above that you have already done in this article? That is what I meant, but phrased it wrong.

Just so that we get a general idea.

by College Wolf on Feb 6, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep...

…I’ll either put them in the wrap up post or a follow up. Since it’s just one player: Westbrook came out at 19.602. My old ratings system completely undervalued a few things with him. I’ll have a note about him and Gordon in the year end post. I had a screwy thing going on with the guards last year.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 6, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Gotcha...
I never would have guessed he ranked that high. He wasn't exactly garnering a TON of attention last year.

Looks like the Thunder scouts did their homework.

by College Wolf on Feb 6, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Lee Cummard

Who is this guy?

I had to look him up. Shoots the lights out, intense, intelligent player. Maybe he’ll be able to play some SF in the pros? Should he be in with the wings?

Might be available late 1st or early 2nd round…

by highpockets on Feb 6, 2009 10:40 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

He's a shooting guard..

…and very, very, very Corey Brewer skinny. He’s a good value pick in the area you cite: late 1st, early 2nd. Good bench guy.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 6, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Can I get your opinions on this?

Is Ty Lawson better or going to be better than Raymond Felton? My feeling is yes, but not by that much. What do ya’ll think?

by wolfen on Feb 6, 2009 1:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Good Question.

At Carolina, they pretty much look exactly the same, to me. Both thrive in Williams’ up-tempo game with their speed up the floor. Not sure who will be the better pro.

by Andy G on Feb 6, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed...

….and to tell you the truth, I hadn’t even thought to compare the two before. Here’s Felton’s stats:

http://kenpom.com/team.php?team=North%20Carolina&y=2005

Lawson’s:

http://kenpom.com/team.php?team=North%20Carolina

At just a passing glance, it looks like Lawson takes the cake.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 6, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Felton played out of his mind...

during the NCAA tourney. Either that means he is a better crunch time player or he just happened to be on a hot streak causing most people to overrate him. I’ve been a Lawson hater mostly because he shot poorly in the NCAA tourney. That probably isn’t fair.

by Pants_ on Feb 6, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I am not sure

what to do at PG. Part of me says to draft a known commodity like Lawson and he’ll turn out to be solid, and part of me wants to go after Curry, who could either boom or bust. The boom part is the intriguing part. I think he has that unknown about him that he’ll be the guy we’ll be saying next year, why didn’t we pick that guy he is Tony Parker part deux…..

by wolfen on Feb 6, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

mayn yall got it messed up

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by MAYNHOLUP on Feb 6, 2009 2:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Mayn, y'all chiefin' on da something something

Yes, Rubio and Thabeet would be great. If they’re both in the draft, it’s highly unlikely either will be available when the Wolves pick, unless the Wolves get super lucky in the lotto.

Now return to your previously-scheduled endeavor.

by PoorDick on Feb 6, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Know I remember who reminds me of Calathes so much. Petteri Koponen whom I really wanted to get picked by our zombies. PK might have just a little better floor sense but for the rest they are very similar. PG

Beater of the early Thabeet drum

by Wim (Belgium) on Feb 6, 2009 3:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

That's right....

….I think Portland still has his rights. Both are PGs with good size.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 6, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That dude looked great in the summer league last year.

I don’t see how he sticks around in Portland, they have 4 guys at that position.

by plinytheelder on Feb 7, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I get the impression that Lawson might be around near the end of the first round, or at least He’s still be around for the Miami Heat pick. In that case, it’d drive me a little crazy if the Wolves didn’t take him, assuming they hadn’t already drafted a guard.

by oblivionspocket on Feb 6, 2009 3:55 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The Wolves will pick Lawson with Miami's pick

and then trade him to the Heat for two more 2nd Rounders.

by PoorDick on Feb 6, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he does seem to have some Mario Chalmers parallels. They both put up superior numbers playing for superior teams but both are somewhat dismissed, due to size issues and such, by the draft hype machine.

by oblivionspocket on Feb 6, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

At this point, short of moving up to top 3, my hope is they use their picks to shake loose the young players we all imagine might be available: Mike Conley, Joakim Noah, Brandon Wright…

Awesome analysis, though. Are there any quick and dirty baselines for the scores? (e.g., What score would qualify a guy as a top flight prospect? Or a marginal guy?)

by jianfu on Feb 6, 2009 9:45 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I don't have any baselines...

…I suppose if I ran these numbers a few years back I could have something close to that but I don’t right now.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 7, 2009 7:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Holiday or Calathes for me...

Not surprised Holiday didn’t grade out as high as you think, but he is FAR superior as a defender, and most of your metrics are offensive. I think we REALLY need someone that plays some perimeter defense, and Holiday has the most “Russell Westbrook” potential (and not just because they’re both from UCLA) that can also potentially run the point.

I really like Calathes for different reasons. He doesn’t have the meaurables, but he just gets how to play. He reminds me a bit of a taller John Stockton type. Not fast, not strong…but knows how to run an offense, create his own shot, and be a pest on D.

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by mutleyil on Feb 6, 2009 10:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think Calathes...

…is going to be solid too. The guy just knows how to play ball.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 7, 2009 7:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Both Collison and Holiday looked very good against ND today

Holiday especially — that kid has got some serious explosiveness. I think both are going to be players, but I see the Holiday/Westbrook comparison.

I’d be happy with Lawson or Holliday.

Harangoody (however you spell it) is playing himself into a 2nd round pick.

by Sterno on Feb 7, 2009 3:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

That would be a great movie

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 8, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Lawson

After watching him control the game at Duke last night I feel very safe now in drafting Lawson.

by wolfen on Feb 12, 2009 9:00 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

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