Trade Possibility
by McCleak on Feb 8, 2009 7:54 PM CST
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Following up on a mentioned trade in the Phoenix thread, doesn't it make a ton of sense for the Timberwolves to trade for Tyson Chandler? You get excellent young interior D with a price tag that doesn't preclude moving him if it becomes a necessity. For the Hornets, it reduces their price tag quite considerably, and if I was the Wolves I would definitely throw in a pick of two to grease the wheels. Allow me to offer something on behalf of the Wolves
To Minnesota:
- Tyson Chandler
- Ryan Bowen
To New Orleans:
- Jason Collins
- Calvin Booth
- Rashad McCants
- Boston's 1st round pick
- The best of the 3 second rounders we have this year
He's why the Wolves do it: Tyson Chandler. He's had injuries this year, but if comes back next season ready to go, the Wolves have an amazing 3-man front court in place for the next 5-7 years. This lets you focus on finding a 3 and a point to fill out the team.
Here's why New Orleans does it: It saves money this year, and wipes out the rest of Chandler's contract. It nets you a look at McCants, a first rounder, a not bad second rounder, and some bodies for the front (if you're trading Chandler, you obviously want quantity over quality in the front).It also costs less this season, doesn't cost anything after that unless you want it to (except the first), and guarantees the Chandler won't haunt you in the playoffs this year. If that's not enough, the Wolves should be able to swap in the Utah pick for the Boston one.
To finish, I'll add that I think this necessitates the Wolves trading off Mike Miller and Craig Smith for expiring contracts. If they did that, then they'd have around $10 million in cap room this offseason, enough to bring in a solid 3 (*coughcoughJoshChildresscoughcough*). In this situation, the Wolves just need to start praying that Rubio or Curry falls into their lap. If it does, they're set. If not, then they just need an upgrade at point and they're ready to roll.
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I understand that NOH wants to shed salaries, but Chandler? I feel like he’s a big part of what they’re doing and they would be foolish to trade him for cap space and draft picks. They wouldn’t get past the first round with a front court of west and Sean Marks, and their lack of depth up front would become even more pronounced.
by ambientmufasa on Feb 8, 2009 9:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
On paper, you're right
But Chandler’s fallen off this year—maybe a little banged up, and came back too fast. Plus, I think the team believes it’s gone as far as it can with the current roster, and the Hornets would like a chance to put a third “name” player with West and Paul, via the Free Agency Frenzy. They just signed Posey, they’re stuck with Peja for at least another year, and Paul’s extension kicks in big time next season.
Plus, George Shinn is a renowned cheap SOB. So jettisoning Chandler for cap room is win-win: They for sure save money, and can do it under the guise of trying to take the team to the next level. Fans and Paul are placated for a while.
by PoorDick on Feb 8, 2009 10:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the problem is this:
how could NO sell this trade as “trying to take the team to the next level”? With McCants and Booth? Chandler’s one of the best defenders in the world. I’d love it as a Wolves fan, but if I were a Hornets fan and they did this I’d be mad as hell.
by plinytheelder on Feb 8, 2009 10:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He has been a great defender
but great defenders don’t excite most fans—great scorers do (and there’s some concern about his slippage defensively). I’ve prowled around a few Hornets boards to see what kind of comments they have on the idea of trading Chandler, and was surprised at the level of support for the idea.
The “take it to the next level” player is not one the Wolves would send, but rather one who could (in theory, anyway) be signed/traded for with the cap space created by Chandler’s absence.
Besides, Pau Gasol and Marcus Camby are arguably better players than Chandler, yet were both moved last season for not much more (or less) than what the above trade offers. (although I think the Hornets would at least have to get Smith and/or Miller from the Wolves to make it more palatable to the Hornets’ fans).
I’m not sayin’, I’m just sayin’.
by PoorDick on Feb 8, 2009 11:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ah you mean for the Wolves
sorry, I thought the “take the team to the next level” referred to NO, i.e. how they would sell the trade to their fans
by plinytheelder on Feb 8, 2009 11:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Um, no
You had me right the first time. I think NO is going to try to cut costs, and do it while stating “this is to bring in a guy you’ve heard of”. I’d love to have him for the Wolves, but Chandler is unexciting to the average basketball fan, and costs a lot of money relative to the numbers he puts up. . Here’s what Marc Stein is saying:
"Yet sources close to the situation refuse to rule out Chandler’s departure. Chris Paul and West, sources say, are the Hornets’ only two untouchables.
Chandler is an elite defensive force at his best, but his dip in performance this season — which began before the 26-year-old’s recent ankle problem — is undeniable. Factor in New Orleans’ own well-known desire to join the clutch of teams trying to slash payroll and its long-standing interest in acquiring an athletic wing man to partner with Paul and West, and you can see why Marion’s name comes up."
This is an example of the Wolves’ best (only?) shot at getting better sooner. Find a need, see a player on a team that is irrationally dumping a player either to cut costs or free up cap room for a shot at Wade/LeBron/etc., and get that player for as little cost as possible.
by PoorDick on Feb 9, 2009 8:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Chandler...
…is one of those 4/5s that would be an excellent fit next to Big Al. The injury is a concern and they would really have to do their homework to make sure he’s healthy down the line. I don’t know about Chandler. I just don’t know if they would be better off spending this amount of money on a 3 than they would on a big. He’s a solid, solid player though.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 9, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right on the fit
with Al, and the mesh with Love wouldn’t be much worse (although the scoring obligations would then go to the 1,2, and 3). If Chandler is available, it’s a good test of whether the Wolves are any more honest with their fans than the Hornets are with theirs, or also just creating cap room to save money.
I also like Chandler’s age, and his contract, while onerous, isn’t long enough to scare anybody away. I think it will be easier to find another PG in this draft, and a wing in free agency. So getting a center in Chandler seems to make the most sense.
by PoorDick on Feb 9, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I agree with you guys,
I’d love to see him here. As I said above, my first thought was “yeah right,” but I don’t follow them closely at all, didn’t realize he was having maybe an off year. I really like him, would love to see him here.
by plinytheelder on Feb 9, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If You’ve got Love Jefferson AND Chandler, injury is of a little less concern I think because either of those 3 three can step up a little when one of the others goes down… at least for a short span of time.
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by Wim (Belgium) on Feb 11, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tyson Chandler is such a good fit..
.. in New Orleans. He is fantastic at finishing on Paul’s great passes and does the defensive things they need along side a scoring big like David West. I think they’ll really regret it if they trade him.
The problem for Chandler on the Wolves would be the lack of a PG to get the most out of him. Plus if the Wolves can’t play Love, Jefferson and Chandler at the same time. Chandler makes to much money to be a 20 minute guy off the bench.
And no matter how good Jefferson and Love are no one is trading the Wolves a really good PG for one of them.
by Pants_ on Feb 9, 2009 11:23 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Chandler would be good. . .
and with the state the economy is in all over, I can see Shinn doing this. However, will Glen and the FO conglomerate pull the trigger or propose such a deal? That is the 1 million dollar question. . .
Sometimes the obvious is hidden.
by frankenhoops on Feb 10, 2009 12:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
His Game Log
is a scattergram. What is up with that? You look at his rebounds and points going up and down like crazy and you figure his minutes are being jerked around but he seems to always play 30 minutes.
Looking at last year he’s alway been a touch erratic but his minutes where about 5 more a game. If it is really his back it’d be a bit of a tough sell at 10 million a year.
by Pants_ on Feb 11, 2009 8:23 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Chandler is on my list if he opts out in 2010. Actually he’s on the top of my list. I like this trade too much for the Wolves which means it’s prolly not good for NO
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by Wim (Belgium) on Feb 11, 2009 9:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Would this be another option?
It was brought up on KFAN by a caller. Miller for Camby. The numbers work. Both guys come off the books after next year. I’d say it’s another option for us to acquire a legit center. Injuries are always a concern with Camby but when he’s healthy he is a stud, and he’s got some tread on the tires I think….
by wolfen on Feb 11, 2009 10:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
nooooooooo!!!!
This team is still 2-3 years away. If they’re going to round out the frontcourt, the guy has to be able to play when it eventually matters.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 11, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Optimally
yes, a younger center would be best. But Camby would still be a good player in 2 years. How about Okur? Is he another option? Just trying to throw out possible center options. He would match up perfectly with Al. Al down low, Okur at the high post. Pick your poison…
by wolfen on Feb 11, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I love Camby too,
but isn’t he 34? I’d be pretty wary of him. Okur would be great, who knows, Utah is really stinking it up lately, maybe they’ll begin to make questionable personnel decisions. ;)
by plinytheelder on Feb 11, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Utah has a bad habit...
of staying the course and being patient. They don’t panic nearly enough for my tastes.
by Pants_ on Feb 11, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And now that Milsap is looking like a player..
….I think they let the Dukie walk and keep Okur.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 11, 2009 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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