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The only notable thing to talk about at this point in the season is that it seems like a jolting slap to the face every time Papa Glen's voice comes on the TV or radio telling us remaining fans that we should pony up some cash to watch a team that won't quit.  Don't get me wrong, I think Glen is completely sincere in his desire to put a good product on the court.  I admire his willingness to lower prices and guarantee a return of money should a new season ticket holder lose his or her job in the next year.  I also think the team has quit.  I don't blame them.  After all, it is their job and no matter how well compensated they may be, a crummy job atmosphere is still a crummy atmosphere and if we learned anything at all from the Stanford Prison experiment it is that the situation has the power to outweigh the disposition.  

Last night's game against the Hawks was the second straight game where I clicked off the dial midway through the 2nd quarter.  It literally was not worth the time.  It was horrible, no good, nothing-can-possibly-be-gained-from-it basketball. 

What makes this game somewhat more notable than a typical run-of-the-mill BS NBA game is that it came on the heels of an embarrassing loss to as close of a peer the Wolves have: the Oklahoma Thunder.  The Thunder are on the same time line as the Wolves.  They have a similar amount of future assets.  They are both in decent sized markets and they are Western Conference bottom dwellers.

For those fans who were able to stomach the entire Thunder game, they were treated to a display of a young team with a plan and a clear future.  They were treated to a team that is athletic and long; a team with a developing offensive force; a team that can run out a significant grouping of plus defenders (Russell Westbrook, Thabo Sefolosha, and Kyle Weaver); a team with a serviceable big man; most impressively, they are a team with an A + GM in Sam Presti. 

This season the Thunder picked up one of the best players at the trade deadline for next to nothing (Sefolosha), a promising young big that despite injury concerns had a decent track record (Nenad Krstic), and they almost landed a 7 foot defender/rebounder in Tyson Chandler.  They did all of this while retaining considerable future assets (they too have multiple 1st rounders this year).  Young, solid on defense, massive amounts of potential on offense, long, athletic, and with cap space and draft picks.  All of this is in the hands of a GM who clearly knows what he is doing.  For all of us who pay attention to the draft, let me lay out a nightmare scenario for all non-Thunder teams: they land Cole Aldrich and/or DeJuan Blair.  Let's not even think about their chances of landing Blake Griffin

Meanwhile, the Wovles are in a blueprint holding pattern with an untested front office that still operates in the long shadow of Kevin McHale.  Out of their last 4 draft picks, 1 is no longer with the team, 2 suffered significant injuries in their second season, and...well, they hit the jackpot with Kevin Love.  Their main cornerstone, a 6'10" 275 lbs man who runs and jumps for a living, just blew his knee out.  Looking forward, they have the possibility of four 1st rounders in what could shape up as one of the weakest drafts in the past 10-15 years.  Make no bones about it, this is a one-man draft: Blake Griffin and everyone else.  What or who in the Wolves' front office gives you optimism that this thing can work out for the best?  I, for one, tend to believe that had Randy Foye, Craig Smith, and Corey Brewer laced it up in Dayton, Ohio (instead of at the Dome) during the NCAAs, we would be looking at 3 different players on the roster.  I don't have a whole lot of optimism that the team's drafting process can rapidly change over the course of a sinlge non-McHale season, especially with him still at the end of the bench.  Anywho...

Earlier this year I put up a post called Building a Winner. The basic front office assumption of the post was that the Wolves have done a fairly decent job of building the team in the post-KG era and that due to the massively important nature of this particular off season, they needed to stay the course with the current front office because there simply wouldn't be enough time to make a regime change between the end of the season and the draft.  I also wrote that Kevin McHale was as good of a coach the team could hope for after firing Randy Wittman and that he deserved a full season with a healthy squad. 

Let me step aside for a moment to bring up one of my favorite topics here on Hoopus: League Pass Broadband. Long time readers of this site know that I have had a running give and take with the folks at LPB because I live outside of the metro area and I am unable to watch the majority of the team's games on-line because of blackout restrictions.  It doesn't matter that my local cable package has neither FSN or Channel 45, I can't watch the team without resorting to pirated streams or going to the gym to watch the action.  What I can watch are out-of-market teams...like the Thunder.  

It doesn't matter where the Thunder play (except here in Minny), I can watch them play.  Over the past few months I have watched about as many Thunder games as the Wolves.  I have seen them develop their existing talent while being clever and innovative in their front office.  I have seen them gel on defense.  I have seen Kevin Durant turn into an offensive force.  In many ways, the NBA has made it easier for me to become a Thunder fan than a Wolves one.  Maybe LPB does have its benefits.

Getting back to the main point of this post, I no longer think the Wolves can maintain the staus quo.  I no longer think that they can operate with Kevin McHale in the operation.  Yes, they played well for a month but they have also won over 3 games in a month only twice this season.  They are playing as bad of ball as they have in a long, long while and it goes deeper than just missing Big Al Jefferson.  They have a nice collection of young role players, a fantastic rookie, and a hurt borderline All Star.  What they don't have is a fresh set of eyes with no attachment to the existing roster.  What they don't have is someone in the front office who has shown he can operate in a rapidly changing NBA environment.  What they don't have an owner who will once and for all cut his losses and take responsibility for the fact that the people who are still in charge of driving the car are the same ones who drove it into the ditch in the first place. Have the Wolves had a fair amount of bad luck over the years?  Of course, but at the end of the day, and while I will always have sympathy for the crummy turns of events that plague this franchise, the bad luck is always accompanied by large doses of outright boobery.

Regardless of what happens over the next few months, I am with this team at least until next season's trade deadline.  I do believe they have, for the most part, done some good things since the KG trade.  I also believe that the situational aspects of this particular franchise are so large, and so deep, that they will continue to outweigh any dispositional qualities of whatever players they happen to bring in without some accompanying new  blood in the front office.  The inmates may be keeping things relatively quiet, but they are still running the asylum. 

I don't want to hear any more they-don't-quit commercials or ticket pitches from Papa Glen.  I want to hear him give a single press conference at the end of the year announcing that Kevin McHale will not be with the club next season.  I want to hear him step up to the mic to announce that he has consulted with the best minds in the league to institute a search for a new GM or Basketball Operations VP.  It doesn't have to be nasty and he doesn't need to throw anyone under the bus; after all, I'm sure the folks in the front office are honorable and professional.  What it does have to be is a clear notice to fans that his loyalty lies more with them than it does to a group of people who have had their chance and whose time has passed. 

This team is headed into the season that will be the axis upon which the KG and O.J. Mayo trades will tilt. It is their last best shot at becoming relevant in a league with the Portland Trailblazers and Oklahoma City Thunder. Fans don't need cheaper tickets to belive in this team.  They need a fresh set of eyes, and so does Papa Glen.

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Last year...

… at this time we were saying the same thing about the draft: it was Michael Beasley and everyone else. Now, I’m not sure I’d even take Beasley in the top five (Rose, Westbrook, Lopez, Love for sure go ahead of him in my list). My only consolation is that we end up being surprised again, with the one “sure fire” elite prospect (Griffin) being followed by some pleasant surprises. I do agree that there will be more duds in this bunch than in last year’s, as the law of averages is working against us; however, I’m not sure that we can write off this year as simply a one-man draft.

by TheH on Mar 24, 2009 7:37 AM CDT reply actions  

And I fully agree...

… that the Midwest regional games were the deciding factor in draft strategy that year. Foye plays big, dazzles McHale (in the crowd that day), draft fates are sealed. My only hope for you, SnP, is that your buddy Cole’s big game had the same mesmerizing effect on the Iron Ranger.

by TheH on Mar 24, 2009 7:40 AM CDT reply actions  

it will be interesting..

….to see if he comes out. If he’s the 7th pick, he has the potential to make about $14 mil on his rookie contract. If he’s the 3rd pick, he can pocket about $21 over that same period of time. Even with the year head start, coming out early and getting drafted that far back when you have the potential to go higher costs money, especially when you have no idea how well you’ll play coming out the gate. I personally don’t think he’d get by either OKC or Minnesota wherever they pick.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Mar 24, 2009 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Aldrich vs Thabeet

He probably has cemented his status as being a better prospect then Hasheem Thabeet. Chad Ford just wrote that Thabeet may be on his way out of the top 10. You wonder if the Wolves could trade up from the Miami pick if he falls far enough.

by Blakeley on Mar 24, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Told ya it was going to happen; I’d still like a trade with someone with the 12th pick to pick up Thabeet…

Beater of the early Thabeet drum

by Wim (Belgium) on Mar 24, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

A few thoughts

1. It seems a stretch to think that the Wolves would take Aldrich fifth in the draft- considering issues with shooting and overall guard play. I’m not knocking Aldrich as a player- I do wonder if the best strategy is further investment at the 4-5 with the backcourt such a mess.

2. In regards to Randy Foye- I wonder about his restricted free agency next offseason and how much he’s worth. What do you invest in such an streaky player who’s maybe a 7th man off the bench. It seems he won’t be worth more than mid-level money at best. Could he possibly not be on the team for the start of 2010-2011 season?

3. I also wonder if The Wolves were to win the lottery, if Blake Griffin is a sure NO.1 pick. Rubio would really fill a need. At the same time- what would get in a trade for Griffin besides cash and future draft picks?

by Jose Cordoba on Mar 24, 2009 8:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Good Question...

What the heck do the Wolves do if they get the #1 pick. I think about it a ton. I guess it all depends on how good Rubio looks. He’s really the only other player in this draft that could be more valuable to the Wolves then Griffin…

But Blake Griffin to me looks like Amare Stoudemire with a defensive motor. It’s tough to pass up a player like that as he probably has a higher ceiling then either Kevin Love or Al Jefferson. I don’t think there is anything really wrong with having a front court rotation of Griffin, Love, and Jefferson. Especially with Jefferson coming off of a knee injury.

by Blakeley on Mar 24, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

RE: #1 pick

They thank their lucky stars and draft Griffin. I don’t think Rubio is anywhere near to what Griffin is. The guy is an outright beast and he plays a position where you just had a guy go down with a terrible injury. The Wolves would finally have some luck on their side if they landed Griffin. If it comes to the point where they have 3 fantastic power forwards and they need to move one of them, that’s even better. I still think they’d need to land a big guard with another pick, but Griffin is so far above and beyond anyone else in this draft it’s really not close. Last year there were two tiers: Beasley, Rose, and Love and then Mayo, Westbrook, Lopez, and Speights. Even the third tier had players who were likely better than 90% of the players in this draft. Griffin is the only guy who would have gone top 5 last year.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Mar 24, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.

Too many young, cheap, solid performers at the PF position is a problem I’d like to have for awhile, and then see what gets dangled in return for one of them. That may be a quicker route to improvement than drafting BPA, or even picking up Rubio.

by PoorDick on Mar 24, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think the assumption here is that Griffin is BPA

However, I’m frankly more interested in swinging for the fences with a potential franchise changing talent like Rubio than a Power Forward like Griffin. Besides Kevin Garnett, I cannot think of one other team that has won a title since 1980 whose franchise player was a pure PF (Duncan is much more of a Center than a PF). Pure PFs rarely lead teams to the promised land. Franchise point guards do though. And Rubio has that potential. Remember, he’s two years younger than Griffin and still filling out. Griffin is the safe pick, but Rubio is the right pick.

by Rascal Flatts on Mar 24, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think there is one other guy that has the potential to be a game changer:

Derozan. He’s incredibly raw but after looking at his stat sheet, I’m amazed with what he did with his current limitations. He’s a long way from there, but I think he’s the other guy in this draft that could be an a+ nba player.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Mar 24, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree, but...

I would like some indication that he can be a playmaker. The true franchise 2’s and 3’s over the years have been both elite scorers AND playmakers, lifting the collective performance of those around them. Bird, Jordan, Kobe, Wade, LeBron….All these guys have/had great floor vision to go along with their ability to drop 40 on any given night. That’s what separates these guys from the pure scoring wings like Gervin, ’Mello, etc. That and a competitive mean streak that in normal life is borderline dysfunctional.

That being said, if DeRozan is available when we pick, we have to take a long, hard look at him. The workouts and background checks are critical with him at this juncture, since there is still a lot of question marks.

by Rascal Flatts on Mar 24, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

kobe and mj....

….took until their mid to late 20s to realize that they needed a supporting cast. Bird and Lebron are abnormal in that respect. Wade’s jury is still out although he’s showing signs of “getting it” this year. those types of players just don’t come along all that often and if derozan is more joe johnson than wade, that’s fine by me in this draft.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Mar 24, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point

but that’s exactly why Rubio might not be the right guy for the Wolves if they get the first pick. If you say a savvy point guard peaks at say, 26 years old, Rubio’s 7 years away. I’d rather have the Wolves pick Griffin, and then see what they can get for the odd man out of AlJeff, Love, and Griffin (a mature point, a true center, and an athletic wing).

by PoorDick on Mar 24, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

None of that matters if you don't have a franchise player...

We’d never garner a franchise changing talent for Love, Griffin, or Jefferson. At least with Rubio there is a chance, albeit somewhat slight, that he could develop into that cornerstone player that you build around. We don’t have that and we won’t have that with Griffin/Love/Jefferson and anything we could get for any of them. Sure, it may help propel us into the bottom half of a the Western Conference playoff race, but none of those guys lead you into contending status. None of them. Rubio = Hope.

by Rascal Flatts on Mar 24, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

i honestly don't see that type of an upside with rubio

he’s fun to watch but a) what upper level point besides Tony Parker has won anything of late (I suppose Rondo could count) and b) how is he any more of a known than someone like Derozan? I really want to believe the hype and hope, but he’s an 18 year old foreign point with a flat foot jumper and modest athleticism. Again, the gut tells me that he’s different. My mind asks if Nick Calathes was born in Greece, whether or not we’d be having a different conversation. 3 upper level players can get it done. I’m willing to believe that Jefferson or Love could be one of them. I’m willing to believe Ryan Gomes and Randy Foye could be solid bench contributors. Does Rubio have the juice to be one of the 3? I have zero clue. None, zip. He definitely would be fun to watch and it would be nice to have the hype around the team again, but I really don’t know if he’s the guy….most of all, I don’t trust that the front office does either.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Mar 24, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rubio

Is more athletic and has better quickness than Calathes in my opinion, but you make very fair points. I think the allure is the fact you’ve got an 18-year old high school senior equivalent with a freakish ability to find the open man and get steals. He’s already world class in those two areas. At 6’4 with long arms and room to add weight, I’m pretty confident he will eventually be a solid finisher in the paint. If he gets an outside shot, look out. But c’mon, he’s a high school senior playing with guys in their late 20s and early 30s and doing these things. There is just so much upside there….

by Rascal Flatts on Mar 24, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rubio vs Griffin

A few more points-

1. I could see the point of Griffin more if he wouldn’t basically recreate Jefferson’s skill set around the Basket. This could make them both less effect always have a couple long defenders in the immediate area. I think the Wolves can get by in the front court targeting a 15 minute a night type with length that could possibly be a Defensive anchor when paired with Rhino. The one name that comes to mind is Sean Williams for this role. I’m sure if I thought about I could name a couple more.

2. Rubio would tremendously improve the teams Perimeter d as soon as next year. If you combine Rubio with Corey Brewer this makes the Jefferson/Love duo workable inside on D. My dream off-season would consist of bringing in Josh Childress as the starting 2 thereby turning the Perimeter D and length weaknesses around.

3. Bringing Rubio in would mean for 48 minutes a night between him and Telfair you have a solid floor general. No more Kevin Ollie, Randy Foye, or Bobby Brown playing minutes at the 1.

4. If you’re going to make Randy Foye work giving you minutes at the 2- Rubio is the perfect compliment.

5. Rubio’s passing and handle are already world class combine this with his D presence- you have the potential for a Jason Kidd like lead guard who can dominate a game with scoring. These types of players seem rarer than Blake Griffin type players.

6. I also do wonder about what you would get in a trade with one of the Jefferson/Love and Griffin trio. I find it hard to believe you’d be able to get a top-flight PG for any of them. You would probably get a very good wing plus a couple role players. Let me throw this one out “Would you rather in 2 years have a OJ Mayo type plus a couple 8th men or a PG like Rubio?”

7. Is it a great idea to hold back development time of any rebuilding effort to try to drum up trade value? Then have to work in the players you trade one of the front court trio for into the lineup.

by Jose Cordoba on Mar 24, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why so down on Griffin?

Griffin looks good. He’s the kind of oversized, superathletic player who can be a franchise player in the NBA. You can make the argument that a great power forward won’t get you a championship, but one great player at any position won’t do that.

This is the NBA, and if you really want to compete with the big boys, it helps a hell of a lot to have one giant, fast, supercoordinated superathlete.

Wouldn’t it be nice to have one guy on the team who actually stands a chance of going toe to toe with the Lebron and not be at such a physical disadvantage that he doesn’t even have a chance?

by princelyfrank on Mar 24, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Issue

Has nothing to do with Griffin- he’s surely a good prospect. The issue has to do with looking at the Wolves roster and seeing their two best players being the best combo of 4/5’s in the Lottery. On a different roster like Memphis or Oklahoma City- you would want Griffin.

  The Wolves have different roster strengths than these teams. A player like Rubio would help a ton dealing with their major weakness along with making their offense much more efficient. I’m looking at this from the viewpoint of building along Big Al and Kevlar. If these two are going to be your starting Front Court going forward you want to build the team in a way where you’re defense is centered around good perimeter D and owning the glass. You also want a team that if their Bread and Butter is going to be on Offense doesn’t go through long droughts due to inefficent PG play. The combo of Love and Rubio on the Pick N Roll would look good for years. Rubio has weaknesses without a doubt (Shooting) but his skills seem so unique for his age and what this team needs. I think you need to at least consider him at 1.

by Jose Cordoba on Mar 24, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought the whole thing with Griffin/Rubio

was that since Griffin’s the consensus number one pick you draft him anyways, and then trade him for Rubio plus something good (a player, draft picks, or – since it’s the Wolves – $), or trade down and still get Rubio…no?

by plinytheelder on Mar 24, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Saw Rubio play 2 times and well, Rubio isn’t where Griffin is … but the age difference …. Rubio is looking like a man among men and at the PG position … at his age? My guess is that when it’s all said and done it’ll be a 3 man draft. Griffin, Rubio and Harden. After that the talent level drops but those 3 are ready to go in the NBA and have a chance at becoming stars on the level of Jefferson, Nash and Roy.

That’s why I don’t care if we get nr1 or nr3. As long as we’re assured of one of those three we’re good; if we don’t, we’re … you know the word.

Beater of the early Thabeet drum

by Wim (Belgium) on Mar 24, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

and that word is:

fubar’d ;)

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by Stop-n-Pop on Mar 24, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

was thinking of something else starting with an f but fubar’d is better :d

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by Wim (Belgium) on Mar 25, 2009 6:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

If we get the #1

we take RUBIO and be done with it. no trades, no pick swaps, nothing. Take RUBIO and let Griffin go to the #2 team.

by roundhouse on Mar 24, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

my gut tells me to agree with you...

….but I know next to nothing about rubio except for a few EL on line games and the Olympics. I hope the hype is right if the Wolves have a shot at him. I think he’s just as risky as Derozan. Both could work out like gangbusters but there are simply too many unknowns with either. Griffin…not so much. He’ll bust heads and rebound as well as being the most athletic guy on the court night in and night out. Derozan could never develop a handle or outside shot and Rubio could never put on more than 15 pounds while continuing to not jump on his jumper.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Mar 24, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

That being said..

….if aldrich isn’t there and rubio and derozan are both on the board with the 2nd or 3rd pick, I’m on board with either one as long as they take a safe pick with the Heat selection.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Mar 24, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

In the NBA there is no safe pick. Everyone talked about J.J. Redick as a “safe pick”. Nope.

There is one safe pick in this whole thing and that is Griffin and how safe is he really.

by Pants_ on Mar 24, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

A look at McHale

How come all of the Wolves talking heads decided that the games played before and after the Wolves winning streak weren’t important? It’s not as if our season started to go down the drain immediately after Al Jefferson’s injury. We were actually 1-6 in Al’s last seven games. Glen Taylor has said that a 10-2 stretch against crappy opponents, whose star players were typically injured, and while Randy Foye was making an unsustainable percentage of three pointers, is enough indication that Kevin McHale can coach this team. Well I don’t buy it.

Also, why the hell did McHale not play Kevin Love for the final 18 minutes of last night’s game. It drives me crazy. I know we’re getting killed, but Love is still learning how to play in the NBA. Getting him minutes when he’s the star player is great for his development.

McHale just seems really stupid. Like, Wittman level stupid.

by Blakeley on Mar 24, 2009 8:56 AM CDT reply actions  

The good news about this recent slide

is that it reveals that the players have obviously given up on McHale, as well. Either they know that he’s gone at the end of the season, or they want him to be gone at the end of the season.

So losing games = losing McHale = win for the fans and the future.

by PoorDick on Mar 24, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know if he's stupid...

..but rather temperamentally geared to not be a good coach after the new car smell is worn away. He’s like a really cool high school teacher. For the first month or so it’s awesome that he’s laid back and that he has all this cool experience that he can share with the class. After that, you realize that while he may have done some good things, he’s not that good at running the ship.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Mar 24, 2009 9:00 AM CDT reply actions  

HAs any one considered

that we are tanking games on purpose in order to improve our draft prospects.

Law of averages, we have to move up in the draft sooner or later. might as well be this year.

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Mar 24, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

not after the madsen debacle a few years ago

tanking is a sore, sore subject with the team. glen was willing to look like an idiot by accusing kg of tanking. i don’t think they have enough games left to do anything but land in the 5th spot. Memphis is 2.5 games back, the Clips are 3 games back, and Washington is 5 games back with 11 to play. Here’s what it would take for the Wolves to move down:

If the Wolves go…

0-11, Memphis has to go 4-8, the Clips have to go 4-7, and the Wiz have to go 5-6.
1-10, Memphis has to go 5-7, the Clips have to go 5-6, and the Wiz have to go 6-5.
2-9, Memphis has to go 6-6, the Clips have to go 6-5, and the Wiz have to go 7-4.

I think their best hope is a tie with 1 more win. Memphis would still have to go 4-8, the Clips would have to go 4-7, and the Wiz would have to go 5-6. If they lose out they can have Memphis go 3-9, the Clips can go 3-8, and the Wiz can go 4-7 and head to the coin flip.

In other words, they can tank all they want and chances are it won’t do a bit of good at this point. Memphis has a full roster without injuries and they suck more than any other team in the league. The Clips are crazy and the Wiz are goofy.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Mar 24, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Washington is the team that gets me upset

It feels like they are pulling a Miami from the year before….I mean c’mon, theyve got Jamison, Butler, and some nice athletes and this is all they can produce? That’s just terrible. And next season they come back with Haywood, Arenas, and a top pick. I hope they screw up like Miami did with Beasley and make the wrong pick…..

Actually the Clippers too come to think of it, but you actually expect the Clips to totally underachieve relative to the talent on their roster.

by Rascal Flatts on Mar 24, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

too bad they can't afford the #1 pick

:) they are in luxury tax hell and keeping the #1 pick will actually cost them about $8 mil rather than @ $4.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Mar 24, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is SO important to keep this in mind

because with this draft and the Wiz’s financial situation, the Wolves have an opportunity to grab Washington’s pick, but allow the Wiz to save face by saying they needed to make the trade with the Wolves for cap room and depth.

by PoorDick on Mar 24, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

What if...

Memphis just takes Rubio and asks him to stay overseas one more year? Better then just losing the pick outright no?

by Blakeley on Mar 24, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

they'd be in the Minny/Detroit Lion boat..

….picking 3 of the same type of player (on the ball guards vs. tweeners and wide receivers) in 3 straight years. I think Mayo was begging to play the point during the season too.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Mar 24, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

it is...

…and it pained me.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Mar 24, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who WILL Memphis draft,

if they go for need? A banging rebounder a la Blair? Aldrich? They can’t pick another wing, can they? Unless they move Gay.

by PoorDick on Mar 24, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I were running the Griz...

…and I’m not, Mr. Blair is my pick….depending on where they end up, of course. I think someone Blair is going to be this year’s Westbrook: the guy who jumps up seemingly out of nowhere.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Mar 24, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

He sure seems to be

the most complimentary player for them where they’re likely to be drafting.

by PoorDick on Mar 24, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

So their current sucking

is legitimate, rather than an obvious tank job. Good to know.

by PoorDick on Mar 24, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes...

…they’re a terrible franchise. worse than the wolves.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Mar 24, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Correcting something I said a little while ago

For some reason I put Memphis but I meant Washington.

Washington is over the Cap, what if they take Rubio and just tell him to wait a year before he comes over. I know they have Arenas, but you could make the case that they would benefit from a true point guard

by Blakeley on Mar 24, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's washington's only way out....

….without trading the pick and hitting salary cap hell.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Mar 24, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

An alternate, less vague "Blueprint"...

Would actually bring up the type of players that the team would like to fill out the roster:

1. 3 point guards, 2 who can: make 3s/defend adequately/create shots for teammates/run an offense/play good help defense
2. 5 perimeter players, 4 who can: make open shots/defend adequately/make an open 3/rebound adequately on both ends/run the floor well/handle the ball on the perimeter/move well without the ball/contest jump shots/play good help defense/facilitate ball movement
3. 4 post players, 3 who can: adequately defend in the post/contest shots/adequately defend away from the basket/rebound well on both ends/make mid-range jumpers/run the floor well/adequately pass out of double teams/not turn the ball over when handling it on the perimeter
4. 3 developmental players, 1 point, 1 perimeter, 1 post, with the potential to be a rotation player in 2-3 years

- all players must have a wingspan of at least 6’1
- 10/15 must have a wingspan of at least 6’7 and/or weigh at least 200 lbs
- 5/15 must have a wingspan of at least 6’10 (I was going to say 7’ but didn’t remember what Jefferson’s and Love’s were) and/or weigh at least 230 lbs
- 2/15 must have a wingspan of at least 7’1 and/or weigh at least 270 lbs

I left some things out, but most of the biggies are in there. I don’t think they need every point/perimeter/post player to have all of those abilities listed, but they need to have all of them covered. They have skill-level and athletic problems. While the problems should be approached according to a specific goal, they should be approached one way or another.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Mar 24, 2009 9:03 AM CDT reply actions  

that's a cool way to look at it

i think bassy gets kicked off with his wingspan ;)

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by Stop-n-Pop on Mar 24, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay, maybe 6'0...

Or something like that. Bassy deserves consideration because he can play. However, they couldn’t have more than one guy with a sub 6’ wingspan. I’m convinced this is why the Lakers and Spurs win — they take athletic and physically strong players and assume they can improve their other skills. It allows a team to prepare for any physical situation that might pop up. The two best Wolves teams also had this (Hudson, Strickland/Cassell, Wilks/Martin, Peeler/Hoiberg, Gill/Sprewell, Szczerbiak, Trent, Garnett, Smith/Madsen, Jackson/Johnson, Rasho/Olowokandi, Woods/Miller — okay so the last one doesn’t work).

by pagingstanleyroberts on Mar 24, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not that they were super athletic...

But at least the rosters in those two years were balanced.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Mar 24, 2009 3:34 PM CDT reply actions  

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