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OK, we're going to try something different this time around.  This is going to be a test post.  I'm converting all of our stat info over to easy-to-use Excel sheets that you guys can monkey around with and run all sorts of cool charts.

I'm attaching an Excel sheet to this post that has totals, per game, 36 minute, and advanced raw data on it.  Let me know if anyone has any trouble accessing the data.

Wolves 2009

While we're at it, let's take a look at a few of the charts I've attached to the spreadsheet (below the fold):

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offensive impact This little doozy is an attempt to measure broad impact (mostly offensive) on a game.  I included a broad efficiency rating (PER), points, rebounds, free throws, and usage. I wanted to know who was efficient, how much they scored, how many rebounds they pulled down, and how many possessions they ate up doing these things.  I think it's pretty self-explanatory. 

 

defensive impact i This chart is an attempt to give a visual representation to a player's defensive impact.  It measures defensive win shares, fouls, blocks, steals, and rebounds.  I should mention right now that this is one of those times where I really, really, really wish I had access to something like Synergy Sports.  These numbers really need to be weighted in order to give you a more accurate representation of any given player's worth on the defensive side of the court.  Simply using fouls and defensive rebounds doesn't really cut it.  I'd also like to run these numbers across the NBA as a whole.

As another quick side note, please start keeping track of how well Randy Foye does compared to Mike Miller.  This could end up being an important theme moving forward.

 

possessiony goodness This is my favorite chart.  It's called Possessiony Goodness.  I took a bunch of possession-related numbers and ran an area graph showing which players do the most on a per-possession basis.  It is a pretty handy chart for making broad generalizations about this, that, or the other player. 

For instance, Bobby Brown is terrible.  Rodney Carney isn't nearly as good as we'd like to imagine him being.  Randy Foye is a very mixed bag of goods.  Mark Madsen doesn't belong on an NBA court.  Shaddy was a waste of Foye+ talent.  Kevin Ollie is nothing without free throws.  Mike Miller and Craig Smith performed at decent replacement levels (with Smith being the more Foye-esque up-and-down type of performer).  Sheldon Williams played some pretty decent ball down the stretch. 

This is one graph I'd really like to flesh out with more situational stats and deeper analysis.  Until more data points become available to the public, this is what we'll have to deal with. 

Anywho, I thought these three graphs offer a decent picture of which Wolves did what this year and which ones had the most impact.  Right now, it's pretty hard to walk away with the idea that this thing isn't simply a two man team of the Bigs: Al and Piranha.

In the coming days I'll post a few more of the charts that are attached to the Excel sheet.  Feel free to make your own and post them in the comments or in a Fan Shot.  If you have an interesting way of looking at the data, please let us know. 

Until later.

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If you read this post on the front page it cuts off the right side of the graph but once I clicked on the post to leave a comment it shows the whole thing.

Also, while the graphs look nice – they are hard to decipher. The commentary is much more important than the visual because it’s hard to tell what it means, even once you read the commentary.

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by FishingMN on Apr 29, 2009 7:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

agreed...

…this was a half-assed post and there should have been more thought put into it. since i’ve never used charts before i thought i’d throw a few up and see what sort of things people liked and didn’t like before i went much further with them. i probably should have made that clear in the post.

i’ve edited it to put the graphs below the fold. in future posts with charts, i’ll have much more commentary. to be honest, the first two charts are pretty much worthless. the possession one is interesting however….as are some of the shooting ones with usage numbers attached to the excel file.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Apr 29, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like these--

thank you for the update. As a frequent user of “broad generalizations”, it’s nice to have some numbers to back them up (not to generalize too broadly).

by PoorDick on Apr 29, 2009 8:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Until

i click on the link to the image I can’t really read them very well. once I see the images properly, what stands out the most is how much better at defense Love and Jefferson are compared to the rest of the team. this is especially interesting considereing that Defense is supposed to be the weak link in their games.

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by the Real Thor on Apr 29, 2009 9:23 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Love/Jefferson

This proves nothing as far as Love/Jefferson being good defenders. The reason their win shares are so high is because of their Defensive rebounding rate and in Jefferson’s case a modest block rate. This would also explain why Miller would grade out as a better defender than Foye.

by Jose Cordoba on Apr 29, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

correct...

…it’s pretty generic and relative. it’s also kind of a lame graph. it needs lots of work. also, the first one is, now that i look at it, confusing as hell. i should have made it clearer that these are first attempts at something i’d like to hash out in greater detail next year. i want to have easy-to-read generic charts that give an idea of offensive impact, defensive impact, possession-based impact, shooting impact (2s, 3s, and free throws), and negative impact.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Apr 29, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Suggestion

I think perhaps an easier way to do this would be to just link to the Basketball-Reference page for the 08-09 Season: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIN/2009.html

Then point out observations that stand out such as:

1. Miller’s Defensive Rebounding Rate- Superb for a Wing equal to Brook Lopez’s rate.
2. The Difference between Ollie’s horrible EFG and TS.
3. Why we should be scared of Bobby Brown’s Usage rate.

Along with other observations from Advanced Metrics.

by Jose Cordoba on Apr 29, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i want to have something...

…in excel format for easy downloading and additional use (weights). i also want to eventually develop a series of charts that keep track of these things in an easy-to-read visual manner. i’ve been working on a stats wrap for the season with some of those very same observations (i didn’t pay much attention to bobby brown).

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by Stop-n-Pop on Apr 29, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no idea

what the first graph means. What is 20-30? Are you just adding everything up? Why does everybody have the same peak? Is the Y axis games?

Wouldn’t a bar graph have worked better for all of these graphs?

by KMils on Apr 29, 2009 9:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

the first chart...

…is pretty weak. i went with volume-based graphs in an attempt to start something out that measures overall impact. going forward, i hope to work in some weighted formulas to the offensive and defensive impact charts. they’re pretty useless in their current form and this is just a first stab at it. i do think the possession chart is useful right now for broad arguments…especially with usage rates at the top, showing how many possessions a player takes to do his thang’.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Apr 29, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As confusing and experimental as the charts might be.....

Your conclusion is crystal clear and resonates with me. Jefferson and Love are it.

I need to revisit your Building a Winner post again to see if you do this, but it would be interesting to see your roadmap for success with the assumption of the new GM going with a Jefferson-Love C/PF foundation and building from there, meaning everyone and everything else is moveable. I think this is entirely realistic since Love shouldn’t go anywhere (great value and upside on a rookie contract) and Jefferson is tough to trade due to his injury. And even if he comes back 100% healthy, it’s tough to envision trading him for a player with his value at that kind of reasonable price.

by Rascal Flatts on Apr 29, 2009 11:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The other thing that would be cool...

Is if you modeled a Jefferson/Love frontcourt combination in terms of PER, Four Factors, Win Share, Possessiony Goodness, or whatever your favorite metrics are, then figure out what the other 3 positions need to do in order to produce a winner, then figure out what kind of existing NBA players could fill those gaps as examples. The point would be to model a perfect set of complimentary players for Love and Jefferson that fit into the salary structure (in other words, it can’t be LeBron, Kobe, and Chris Paul!). I think that would be a cool analysis for a budding Fantasy GM!

by Rascal Flatts on Apr 29, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

they are indeed...

…it on this squad. Miller, Foye, Gomes, and Bassy would be decent bench players on a good team but they’re not starters. I suppose you could get away with one of the group, but not 2 or more.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Apr 29, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A bar graph would be much easier. I like the intention and I am interested to see what happens when you smooth it out.

by revprodeji on Apr 29, 2009 12:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I love this analysis

thanks for posting the spreadsheet.

Unfortunately, it is not enough to distract me from constantly checking online for updates on the GM search.

Let’s do this thing, Taylor!

by littleboxes on Apr 29, 2009 12:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

no kidding

the spurs are finished, get r’ done.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Apr 29, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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