KG: Not Winning Any Sportsmanship Awards
There are a couple articles around the blogosphere today about Kevin Garnett. None of them are flattering:
- Worst Person In the World: Kevin Garnett (NBC Chicago Sports, Eamonn Brennan)
- But I Thought Basketball was a Brotherhood! (Mouthpiece Blog, Eamonn Brennan)
- Hating Kevin Garnett is a Brotherhood (Hardwood Paroxysm, Trey Kirby)
Timberwolves fans should be well-aware of KG's tendency let let a curse word or 60 slip from his mouth when he's on the hardwood. And I hope that most of you felt a bit of pride seeing him win a championship last year, despite any bad blood that made the Celtics' title bittersweet for Minnesotans.
This year, though, things are different. Despite sitting out the playoffs, Garnett has been a focus of the media as games 1 through five have rolled through. I think Brennan sums up last night pretty well:
Last night crossed a line. After Brad Miller missed the first of two potentially game-tying overtime free throws, Garnett took time out of his busy injured schedule to yell "choke" at Brad Miller. Classy, man. (And this is coming from us, someone you'll rarely ever see complain about "class" in sports.) There's also this photo of a snarling Garnett getting in Ben Gordon's face, the same Ben Gordon who played through his injury last night while Garnett threw on Armani and did his cheerleading from the sidelines.
Then there are the incidents from earlier in the year, most notably the one with Jose Calderon, but his sideline status and Boston's insistence that he sit on the bench with the team have stirred up the KG Trash Talk conversation yet again.
An interesting part of a couple of these formal and informal opinions I've heard today mention that they "used to" like and cheer for Garnett, in large part because they felt sorry for his versatile and elite talents being stuck in a mismanaged situation.
I'm sure everyone will have something to say about this, so I'll just leave it with a question: was pity causing everyone to gloss over Garnett's antics? Or has success amplified them?
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It's more positive karma for Wolves fans
Had he been a LeBron/Shaq loveworthy player, it would be even more painful to watch him have continued success with the Celtics. Now that he’s demonstrated what a hyper-competitive jerk he can be, the pain of him leaving isn’t quite as deep.
Kind of like Favre with Packer fans.
well put...
…it has made the trade easier to deal with….although that probably says more about us fans than it does about a guy who has probably been like this all along. We were willing to overlook obvious bullshit because he was great. Forget trash talk, the guy openly assaulted Rick Rickert way back when.
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btw:
i mentioned it back before the first celtics game, but i view it as an inevitibility that kg will eventually try something against love. i’m also making the call that he will eventually have the shit kicked out of him within 2-3 years because he will become an even cheaper player now that he’s on the downside of his career. also, it’s kind of funny that he’s mentoring a fellow cheapshot artist in his fat teammate baby davis. i have yet to see a game with davis where he doesn’t do something stupid.
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KG's a bully.
He’s always had a “thing” for white players (teammates and opponents), and still feels like a super-scrawny kid from South Carolina who needs to stick his jaw out to show how tough he is. If you’re right, I’m guessing Love will put up with it for awhile, and then crush him if it goes much further.
wow you guys are sally's
Sack up. This is a grown man’s game. You want class, go watch cricket. Panzies…
They posted this on CelticsBlog...
and i was totally blown away by everyone’s responses to this. I may have been a little harsh…but do you guys really think he is a bad person for being the way he is?
Definitely DON'T think he's a bad person.
I just don’t care for his on-court demeanor, personally. Other commenters are probably right about passion, habits and competitive edge, but it’s just not my preference.
As far as an off-the-court person (which doesn’t include cold-cocking a teammate), I’ve never had a problem with any of his interviews or what little is known about his personal life.
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I don't think...
…it’s being portrayed as him being anything more than a dick on the court. I have no idea how good of a person he is but as someone who watched him for a long, long time, this year’s trash talk seems a bit above and beyond what he has done before on this front….which was questionable in its own right.
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He's not a bad person
he just doesn’t carry himself with any dignity any more. Especially compared to his career arch-rival Tim Duncan. The guy could only win a championship when he didn’t have to carry the burden for the whole team, and it seems he’s still got this chip on his shoulder about not being the focal point of a championship team, not able to produce in the clutch, and about to be an almost-nine-figure financial burden on his team.
Well put...
….I get the sense that its not going to end well with KG. I don’t see him aging like fine wine. There was always a childish aspect to his game and that’s not something that fits with being a player entering his mid-30s.
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He goes so hard all the time that his body won't keep up
I totally agree…But i will trade 3 more seasons of declining play for last season any day…It was unbelievable here in Boston…Imagine the exact team you have now, turning around and winning it all next year…
I can only imagine
I still like rooting for them when they’re not playing the Bulls. I sided with the Celtics back in the 80s and McHale the player was one of my all time favorites. I’d like them even more if they got rid of Davis. He’s my least favorite player in the league.
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really? Davis?
He is kind of a dope but plays hard and as an undersized player holds his own…Varejao and Noah are my least favorite.
My least-favorite is Perkins.
He is a cocky asshole who only has fame and cred because of the Big 3 and Rondo. Now that he’s starting to improve into a pretty decent player, I hate him even more.
Garnett really has changed his image in Boston. He went from lovable/admirable all-around star on pretty good teams, to arrogant bully defensive specialist on great teams. Boston sure could use him, though—with the way Rondo is playing, they would be a heavy favorite against Cleveland and LA with a healthy KG.
seriously
I knew I’d like KG less after he left. He always was a punk on the court even if he is a stand up guy off the court.
I would not want Baby Davis to play for the Wolves and frankly I find Paul Pierce all but impossible to endure. Granted he’s talented, but otherwise he’s another Reggie Miller, an expert at initiating contact and/or flopping.
Agreed
I can see where you’re coming from. It must have been frustrating to see him leave, then join with Pierce and Allen and win it all on another team. I hate when veterans leave a team they’ve been on for years just to win a ring…But when the championship comes to your city, there is no refusing it. It is the best. I wish he did win it in Minny…
The thing with Rick Rickert i never heard about till i looked it up. You think it was just because he was young and immature maybe?
No...
…he cold cocked Rickert for reasons unknown. I don’t think immaturity has ever really been an issue with the guy. He just seems to have a strong urge to show up players that are levels and levels below him. It’s always been there. The guy bullies certain players. I could care less one way or the other about this if both players are on the court, but in a suit….not so much.
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He acts more immature now
than he did when he decked Rickert. I don’t think many Wolves fans begrudged him leaving to go to Boston. It wasn’t like there was any hope here at that point, and he wasn’t going to be able to do it here without the quality of players like Pierce and Allen (and don’t sleep on Rondo—jeezus that guy’s something).
But he’s carrying this whole “Us Against The World” thing too far. It doesn’t reflect well on him, or the rest of the team. And at some point, even the Celtic fans and players will get sick of it, too. Especially with what he’s scheduled to eat up in salary during his rapidly-declining years.
That contract will be an albatross...
….in 2 years. Boston pulled out a double ARM on that championship. Rondo is their only decent player that has been drafted in this decade. Granted, it got them a ring but I think there will be an outsized hangover in a few years.
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I don’t know about in real life, but in nba 2k5 or 2k6(can’t remember which one), Perkins is a bargain who is perpetually underpaid even when is contract is up.
by oblivionspocket on Apr 29, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Perkins
If Perkins was a Free Agent- I think he would get over Mid-Level money. He is generally considered an above average interior defender as evidenced by his DWS’s the last couple years. It’s kind of hard to have the Defense the Celtics had last year without a plus defender at the 5. He’s not going to be a great match-up with someone that can draw him away from the paint though.
He’s probably an average offensive player at best due to turnovers and limited skill-set.
I’ll grant you on a really good team he’s probably the 4th-5th best starter. On a Championship Level though is a player with value.
I could also possibly include Powe in the mix here as well of decent players.
by Jose Cordoba on Apr 29, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I can see where you're coming from...
but honestly, I just care if they win…When i have kids and i have to bring them to games i will care if players acts like douche-bags…
Rondo is the Truth – Pierce no longer should have that title. The guy is amazing. Biggest hands in Celtics history. My personal favorite player on the team…He is scary good…and Derrick Rose is getting all the Pub….
if only..
….ainge would have packaged rondo instead of bassy. i remember that being brought up around the time of the trade.
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Rondo will look really nice
in a Wolves uniform after Garnett’s contract prevents the C’s from re-signing the point guard.
(heh heh).
that is...
…if they don’t land Rubio first.
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haha
I am leaving on that note…sorry about the sack up comment…didnt mean to be a jerk… I’ll be routing for the Minnesota Celtics next year!
yeah for now
your time will come…take care guys
Engaging in social comparison with people who stand no chance against him might be a way to protect a surprisingly fragile ego. Maybe it’s the result of years and years listening to people talking about how he wasn’t all that great because he couldn’t single handedly lead worse than mediocre teammates to a championship.
by oblivionspocket on Apr 29, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
love the...
…on-the-couch angle.
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Then again, bully’s can just be narcissists
by oblivionspocket on Apr 29, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
well, it would suck if one of my childhood/teen years heroes ended up being a narcissist.
But, it wouldn’t suck too much. I’m sure many of my heroes were narcissists in there time. Except for Eugene Debs, don’t think he was a narcissist.
by oblivionspocket on Apr 29, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
At the very least...
…you could have spelled pansies correctly.
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Assuming the Celtics can beat an inferior Bulls team
check back here with your “sacking up” after the Cavs demolish Boston.
Ha
I like the T’Wolves so I won’t say anything negative about them…I do think this is Lebron’s year.
Anything you could say about us has probably already been said on these boards :)
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I didn't mean to sound like a dick at first
I just think it is crazy man…the passion is what the Celtics miss so bad…Going to the games and watching him just explode with all that energy is unlike anything I’ve ever seen. I grew up watching MJ and besides him, KG is the only other player who has that fire and emotion…
Good point
Jordan clocked more than a few teammates in his time, too. The difference is that MJ did it himself, albeit with a nice supporting cast, and conducted himself with dignity while he did it.
KG’s acting like a punk, instead of the elder statesman that he should be.
He's been taking lessons from Bill Russel
He cares more about gaining a tiny advantage to help his team win a game than remaining “classy”. Winning isn’t everything though, but he’s single minded on the court. No time for perspective when he’s actually playing, and at this point he’s so used to playing he has no clue how to live as an injured player on a playoff contender. So, he just continues to rely on his playing habits. They’re strong habits too. He has practiced intensity for a long time.
I think of his antics as more eccentric than evil or wrong. It’s the price paid for being hyper competitive even compared to other pro athletes. The competitive fire he has must be something like 3.5 standard deviations above the mean or more. I guess, to me, it crosses a line when he intentionally causes long term physical harm to other players. Wish he’d treated RIck Rickert a bit better, but rick rickert seemed like a bit of a dick himself.
by oblivionspocket on Apr 29, 2009 1:35 PM CDT reply actions
oh wait, he’s no Bill Russel. Bill Russel’s number one rule is to never get angry. My mistake.
by oblivionspocket on Apr 29, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I think of his antics as more eccentric than evil or wrong. It’s the price paid for being hyper competitive even compared to other pro athletes.
Whatever drives him to go after it every night doesn’t just turn off when it suites him to be classy.
i can almost buy that...
….if he was actually playing. If you’re going to talk shit, you can’t do it knowing that the other guy can’t respond with his play.
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Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
—The Sith Code [src]
There is no emotion, there is peace.
There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no passion, there is serenity.
(There is no chaos, there is harmony.)(*)
There is no death, there is the Force.
—The Jedi Code (Based on the meditations of Odan-Urr)
Passion … in general it is considered a good thing .. but when does one cross the line where the passion is something to look up to .. to something that leads to the dark side…
To me it seems somewhere along the line KG became obsessed with that championship. With all the bad stuff that had happend (Marbury, Sealy, … it does look like the classic to the dark side story doesn’t it?) nobody had a problem with him actually finally getting that ring.
Now though it seems this time he might not yell “top of the world” but “king of the world” …
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if the bulls beat...
….the celtics on a last second shot in game 7, i’m really hoping whoever hits it yells that at the top of his lungs. TOP OF THE WORLD!!!!!
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Ha, I’d like to see his face at that moment ;)
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by Wim (Belgium) on Apr 29, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
or Mr. Miyagi, (it’s about the same actually). Karate Kid was on the other day … Love the chinese wisdom parts “Smell bad, Heal good”
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by Wim (Belgium) on Apr 30, 2009 1:42 AM CDT up reply actions
While on the sidelines, he's acting no worse...
… than a rabid fan. He cusses when something bad happens to his team and he taunts the opposition. He wants to see his team win so badly and is contributing in the only way he can right now.
I’m not saying this to defend his behavior, more as just an observation.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Apr 29, 2009 2:08 PM CDT reply actions
I think it's somewhat worse...
Due to the new surroundings. He’s got a tough guy (Perkins) and some great players to back him up, and he plays in a city that encourages/condones that stuff more than it would’ve been in MN. I followed him throughout his Wolves career and there wasn’t anything this public during that part of his career.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Apr 29, 2009 2:16 PM CDT reply actions
Yep--
Don’t discount the town and team of the Boston Celtics. I believe the current team suffers from an inferiority complex, stemming from how quickly they came together, how close they came to being ousted by both Cleveland and Atlanta, and how narrow their window of opportunity is.
Meanwhile, the success of the Patriots/Sox/Celtics over the last five years or so has the fan base brimming with arrogance, and expectations (and pressure) are sky-high. Don’t get me wrong—I’d love to suffer from the same ailment, and would probably be at least as bad if my three favorite teams piled up championships in such a short period of time. But it does go a long way to explaining why this has been such a dooshy team on the court this year and last.
Seriously?
Seriously?? Kevin Garnett is making it known the also heckling Bulls bench, they are younger and dont have respect. KG is telling them this is his home floor and his boy will hold it down for him while he’s hurt, and that the Celts have more will, heart and fight in them. Those are his teamates, his brothers and of course he is going to do anything to get into the Bulls head, you can sit there and tell me Joakim freaking Noah isn’t intimidated by one of the best Forwards to ever play? He is doing anything he can considering his injury. And you are all crying to act classy? What do you want him to do, sit at the end of the bench like a like rookie and not intimidate when he is easily on of the most intimidating players in the league.
You people need to learn that this is the playoffs and if there is harsh fouls, then there is going to be harsh words too, suck it up and deal with it, its part of the playoffs. IF they are “grown men” as you claim then they should shrug it off. Instead of sitting there criticizing what the Celts do. Grow a pair and realize that this thread is completely pointless. Morons.
GO CELTS, yeah im a celts fan, and I would defend anyone who has been doing what Kg is considering his circumstances. Ball up haters.
not many guys are KG’s stature. He’s oddly built. He doesn’t go after bigger players, but that’s just using common sense. Picking a fight with Shaq or Rasheed Wallace would just be stupidity. It’s like if you were america, would you pick a fight with communist china to free tibet or would you pick a fight with iraq to free kuwait or “take the war on terror over seas”. The choice is pretty obvious, you act like a grown up and sanction iraq’s ass while leaving China alone. But heck, if you just gotta fight, don’t pick an equal.
by oblivionspocket on Apr 29, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Well done..
…on the Iraq reference. Extra points would have been given if you had worked in a Thomas Friedman reference.
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What about the invasion of Grenada?
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by Honka Playboy on Apr 29, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Indeed...
…false claims from our information network have a long and distinguished history. One could say that we are “stacked to the ceiling” with such events.
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Amazing...
….that you end a post about a street-clothed KG with “ball up haters”. Indeed.
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And assuming the C's meet the Cavs
We’ll see if KG gets in LeBron’s face with the same intensity. My guess is if he is that stupid, we could be looking at James breaking the 63 point mark MJ set against the Celtics.
Yeah! Ball up haters!
what does that mean? This is the internet – people don’t have to ball up or grow a pair to type.
I lived in Boston (two years in Linn, one in Alston, one in Dorchester) and now remember why I left. Big, beautiful city with a preciously sensitive ego and a testicle obsession
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by Honka Playboy on Apr 29, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
i guess you forgot
Ben Gordon grabbing his nut sack at the boston bench in the 4th game huh?
by celticinorlando on Apr 29, 2009 2:50 PM CDT reply actions
then get busy making a list
i want to see this
by celticinorlando on Apr 29, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!
Ben Gordon didnt direct his “nut grabbing” at any celtics fans or players…it was more of a celebration with his teamates….
KG continues to scream at the bulls, swear at them, and just be an overall jackass…stop being a homer and open you eyes…
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A couple scrubs on the Bulls' bench
were also doing that alleged “gang” symbol that Pierce got fined for at one point in that game following a big play.
KG just gets a lot of attention because he’s a former MVP and insanely intense when it comes to any kind of competition. Don’t think for a second he’d taunt either of those guys if they had off-court problems like their wife cheating on them or something. He’s just pumped about them failing in the game and can’t control himself.
Garnett himself didn’t want to be on the bench because he knew he wouldn’t be able to help himself with stuff like this…without being able to play, it’s probably even harder to stifle those emotions because he doesn’t have to focus on being in the right place or on making his free throws, etc.
Would I be annoyed by some of this if it was coming against my team? Maybe a little, but I believe I’d realize that he’s always been crazy-intense like this and that it’s sour grapes to expect him to be able to easily change and back off just cuz he’s on the bench.
by FierceLikePaulPierce on Apr 29, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I know you think of him as a Celtic
but the people on this board know him much better than you do (especially from Orlando). We loved him, and still appreciate what he meant to the team—basically the only good this team ever achieved was because of KG. But we have 14 years of watching him play 80 games a year. We saw plenty of his menacing scowls toward guys like Franciso Elson, while Tim Duncan overshadowed Garnett in wins, clutch shots, and championships.
I direct you to the following link
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by Honka Playboy on Apr 29, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
oops
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuxOKp7JtHo&eurl=http%3A%2F%2
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by Honka Playboy on Apr 29, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
God I love Garnett
I watch this and I like him that much more.
Blaming KG for getting sucker-punched by Anthony Peeler...
Is a huge stretch. I understand the rest of them being questionable, but Peeler knocked KG on his ass first and then punched him again. A lot of people criticized KG for not fighting back, even though doing so would’ve gotten him suspended for Game 7 and probably cost the Wolves the series.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Apr 30, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
It is tha Zasa one...
that I love. That guy could use a good Rudy Ting sent his way.
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by PoorDick on Apr 29, 2009 2:53 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'll be sure to remember that...
….next year with the Blazers. ;)
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I'm standing by...
kidding! but really, don’t say anything mean about Roy. Sergio Rodriguez is fair game
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by Honka Playboy on Apr 29, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Great idea
Brandon Roy:
strengths-remarkably efficient player who appears to effortlessly score and facilitate
weakness-he’s just a figment of your imagination. Plus, he’ll totally suffer a career ending injury while trying to drag a child’s beloved puppy out of a flaming building.
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I'll get some Rush Limbaugh transcripts and replace....
….“Barack Obama” with “Brandon Roy”. I want him to fail. He is a socialist Muslim who was born overseas.
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need more
but its a start.
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by Honka Playboy on Apr 29, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
did you see they found the kid...
…who is believed to be patient zero? If I remember my disaster movie plots correctly, doesn’t that mean we win?
I wonder if Michele Bachmann will call for hearings to find out whether or not this kid had any contact with Obama on his recent trip to Mexico. Maybe it is a cunning Democratic plan. It surely is an interesting coincidence.
I also hear that Brandon Roy causes diaper rash.
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Blazers and Celtics fans LOVE to show up here. We’ll take the hits (both kinds).
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by Honka Playboy on Apr 29, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions
KG has been like this for a while
He’s just really out of control when he’s not in the game. When he’s in the game, he has to actually expend energy playing, so it’s too crazy. In general I think he’s a good guy. He just gets too into it.
I still feel like KG’s emotions are his strength and his weakness. He needs a Paul Pierce so that when his emotions get the best of him and he starts to play poorly, he’s got a superstar ready to pick up the slack.
I always viewed him...
……as an Alexander Hamilton. A firey, stick-to-his-principles kind of guy that was filled to the brim with greatness but who also needed a George Washington to keep the lid on tightly lest he go off and get in fights that he can’t finish. He’s not a President but he was an all time great who ended up on the $10 bill as well as doing the heavy lifting for getting the public to support the Constitution. KG is not option 1A but he is an all time great who ended up with a trophy while doing the heavy lifiting on each and every club he has been on. Writing out loud, this sort of begs for an entire post on which NBA stars are which Founding Fathers. If KG is Hamilton, doesn’t Duncan have to be Thomas Jefferson?
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KG is one of the all-time greats
All of you people hating on KG, especially those of you who cheered for him so long when he was in Minnesota, need to realize that this is a sport and sports invoke intense emotions. I would take a Kevin Garnett who is “too emotional” or “too intense” over a Tim Duncan who has less emotion than his bobble head doll any day. And to whoever it was who said he never picks on anyone his own size, Tim Duncan is his size and I seem to remember numerous occasions while KG was in Minnesota that he got in Duncan’s face. You say that Duncan is a better player because he got rings and KG didn’t? How many years did KG have players like David Robinson, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobli, with him? KG had to do everything he accomplished in Minnesota with WALLY SZCERBIAK as his “all-star” side kick.
Back to the issue though, if you think Garnett is a jerk because he trash talks, grow up or watch figure skating. Trash talking is part of the game. Just because Garnett is doing it from the bench and does it with the same intensity that he plays with doesn’t make him a jerk. Almost every player in the NBA trash talks as much as KG, but because he does it with such passion and because of his superstar status he is getting noticed more than anyone else.
I count...
…five, maybe six, strawmen. Anyone else with a different count? Basketball is an intense sport of trash talking that invokes powoerful emotions while San Antonio had better players and anyone who thinks differently needs to grow up. Weak sauce.
KG gets noticed more than anyone else because he does it differently than anyone else. From Calderon to Bayless to his weak behavior on the bench in this post season, he gets noticed because no other player of his stature stoops that low. Not Duncan, not Parker, not Dirk, not Yao, nobody.
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Can you honestly say you don’t think KG would have won just as many championships as Duncan if he had had the same supporting cast as Duncan? If you switched KG and Duncans supporting casts throughout their careers the number of rings would be switched as well.
And I didn’t say he doesn’t do it differently than anyone else. He does it much more intensely than anyone else, which is different, just as he plays more intensely than anyone else. And again, I would take somebody like him screaming from the bench, showing his passion, over other superstars who, when injured, just sit there and do nothing and act as if they don’t care. KG is one of the greatest players to ever play the game and his passion and fire is what made him as good as he has been/is.
Again...
…you are arguing with things that no one is saying. I’ve said in the past that if pressed for an answer, I think KG would have won more than Duncan. However, that’s not the argument at hand.
Saying that someone does something “more intensely” than anyone else doesn’t focus on actual actions. It’s like saying someone “plays the right way”. It sounds nice, but ultimately, a player’s actions speak for themselves and any motives, emotions, or perceived characteristics have to be measured with something more substantial. Showing intensity or passion is, I suppose, a good thing, but not attached to questions about performance or standards. That being said, even if we could isolate something like intensity, and even if I grant you that point in the argument, it’s troubling that a grown man has so little control over the very thing that you claim makes him great. I think that’s hogwash. Again, even if I bought this, there are lines to be crossed with every attribute. Dwight Howard has amazing strength yet he crossed a line with it by elbowing Dalembert. KG has amazing intensity yet he crossed a line with it by acting like a punk in street clothes.
Also, I don’t buy the premise that KG is somehow different than other superstars in terms of effort. Lots of players work hard and give huge efforts.
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I never said that other players don’t work hard and give huge efforts. Indeed there are plenty of players who give extraordinary effort consistently. However, there is no one who matches KG’s effort night in and night out, possession for possession. He pours his heart and soul into every second on the court.
But back to the point, I will give you that he does not have ultimate control over his intensity. I will also give you that there is a point where every attribute can cross the line. However, I don’t think that KG yelling at the other team from the bench makes him a punk. Even if he is swearing at the other team, which is another argument I have heard as to why he is a punk. Big deal. These are all professional athletes, and grown men. I guarantee they have all heard at least as bad, if not worse, things than anything KG has yelled at them. It’s smack talk, which pretty much everyone does playing sports from high school on up, and the majority of people do not take it personally. I think that if you were to take a poll of NBA players the majority of them would say they have nothing against KG. We don’t even know what KG is saying to these people! Just because he makes a face while saying it and yells doesn’t mean he is saying anything unbearable. How do you know other players aren’t saying equally as much or as bad of things, but, for example, they just say it quietly when they are fighting for position under the hoop? There is constant smack talk going on between NBA players and I do not buy that just because KG is doing it from the bench that he is any more of a “punk” than any other players. Until you can tell me what he is saying, and that it is something terrible, I don’t buy the idea of Garnett being a punk.
Good points
We don’t even know what KG is saying to these people! Just because he makes a face while saying it and yells doesn’t mean he is saying anything unbearable.
I can only imagine what he’s saying to the Bulls:
“Hey Noah—you’re dad was my favorite tennis player.”
“Ben Gordon—did you get your taxes in on time? If not, you should file an extension until May 15th.”
“Ty Thomas—how ‘bout that Adam Lambert on Idol, huh? He’s something, alright.”
“Derrick Rose—don’t you think a bailout of the Big 3 automakers is only prolonging the inevitable?
“Hey Hinrich—make sure you keep some of those Purel wipes on you at all times—you don’t want to catch the Swine Flu!”
That was an absolutely ridiculous post which I feel entirely stupider for having read. If you had actually read what I wrote before responding, you would see that I never said he was trying to make conversation, as your genius post implies. I never doubted that he is talking smack. I said that everyone in the NBA talks smack, and that just because he makes a face and yells doesn’t mean he is saying anything that is any worse than what any of the other players say to each other.
actually
I write the most potty-mouthed political blog in MN, and I used to get offended by all the f-bombs flying around the court when KG played here. He should have been teed up every game for language.
I can vouch...
….for the profanity in both places. ;) For those who don’t know, you can read said blog here:
www.norwegianity.wordpress.com
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Its the NBA...
They don’t T people up for language. Every player in the NBA swears on the court.
Issue with your statement:
“How do you know other players aren’t saying equally as much or as bad of things, but, for example, they just say it quietly when they are fighting for position under the hoop? There is constant smack talk going on between NBA players and I do not buy that just because KG is doing it from the bench that he is any more of a "punk" than any other players.”
The whole issue is the way KG is doing it. He’s injured, so they can’t shut him up with their play. it’s basically like if Mark Cuban sat courtside and cursed at the opponents all game, and even HE isn’t that crass. I definitely saw him say the f word [is it allowed on this blog?] about 50 times [ESPN’s cameras love him!] in the 2 minutes or so I’ve seen..
"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
Just please don't ask me to feel any sympathy for Ben Gordon or Brad Miller...
I’m willing to become a KG apologist if only because it’s impossible to understate his impact in Boston, on and off the court. (And I’m highly suspicious of anyone who doesn’t believe Kevin had a hand in Rondo’s precipitate rise.)
P.S. Love the blog and this full-of -laughs discussion.
This is still my favorite line of the day:
Bradon Roy: Weakness – He’s just a figment of your imagination.
by The Walker Wiggle on Apr 29, 2009 4:51 PM CDT reply actions
It was good
don’t worry – I won’t link to this on Blazers Edge. It is already bonkers enough there with “Whose Fouling Yao” chatter
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by Honka Playboy on Apr 29, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Greg Oden..
….just fouled my mailman.
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Just a reminder...
…to folks new to the blog: no swearing at people or name calling. We don’t mind an occasional f-bomb if it’s well placed, but not in anyone else’s direction. Also, no one is saying you can’t call people out, just don’t go overboard.
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Blazer Fans
Agreed, this blog was created to incite Blazer fans to bring the internet to a grinding halt.
Eammon, Gordon & Miller deserved it
Maybe Eammon isn’t aware that Ben Gordon has brought this on himself. His gestures after he makes his threes don’t win him any favor and grabbing his crotch at one point surely didn’t go over big. Apparently the NBA has sent a warning about the crotch grabbing.
And Miller is a thug, he had a big grin on his face after he got Ray Allen fouled out of the game. He wasn’t grinning after Rondo ripped his mouth open though. Miller & Gordon brought KG’s wrath onto them. KG is no angel but neither are Miller & Gordon.
I think...
….when you’ve reached the area of tit-for-tat ethics, it’s a tough area to defend.
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He's a thug because he got Ray Allen fouled out of the game
That’s really thuggish, flopping. Like punching someone in the face, only … not.
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Miller is a thug
Hey Prevenge, you purposely misinterpreted what I meant.
Not just speaking about the flop. He has a reputation. If you’ve watched enough of Brad Miller you’d know what I was talking about.
by BadNewsBarnes on May 13, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Come on now...
KG was a consummate team player and the heart of the T-wolves for a decade. He dealt with a ton of BS while here, and yet he fought hard in basically every single game. Is he competitive? Yeah! Does he talk some trash sometimes? Yeah, and more often than sometimes at that. But he makes everyone on the team better, was (and may still be) one of the top 5 players in the NBA, and loved the team while he was still with Minnesota. It would take something unbelievable for me to dislike Garnett, something much bigger than him having a big mouth.

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