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Well folks, if there's one things Wolves fans are good at and prepared for, it's seeing our favorite team move down in the lotto.  At least we have that going for us.  Last night's festivities made me think of three things.  Let's get the bad stuff out of the way first.

No matter where the Wolves would have ended up with the ping-pong balls, we would have led with this simple point: the team still lacks a head of Basketball Operations and they are almost a month away from the Draft.  They absolutely need a GM, Basketball VP, or whatever you want to call him.  The clock is ticking and regardless of your thoughts on who this person should be or whether or not the team is fumbling through the process, time is no longer on their side. They shouldn't panic into a rushed decision--these decisions aren't ones that you want to end up having to make over and over again with great frequency--but they also need to realize that there is an urgency to the proceedings that probably shouldn't have happened with a team that removed its Basketball Ops VP from his duties in December of last year.  If there is one point that is being overlooked, it is that this team knew what was coming and they failed to prepare accordingly.  That, by itself, is troubling.

In the spirit of yesterday's pre-draft positivity, let's move on to the good stuff--which there happens to be a lot of thanks to the lotto.  Let's count the ways:

  1. If the status quo remains, the Wolves will have an excellent chance at landing one of the following players: James Harden, Demar DeRozan, or Stephen Curry.  That's the 3 top non-Griffin/Rubio players on our Hoopus Draft Board.  That's the top rated shooting guard prospect according to Draft Express and Chad Ford (Harden); the top rated wing prospect from many outlets; and the premier scorer in college ball who has the potential to be an absolute pick-and-roll monster in the NBA.  If the Wolves sit on the pick, they have the opportunity to either move Randy Foye to the bench (Harden), add needed athleticism to the wing (DeRozan), or replace Sebastian Telfair at the starting point with a guy who can shoot the lights out (Curry).  All three of these options are good ones that will improve the team. 
  2. Two of the worst GMs in all of basketball are sitting at the top of the Draft.  Mike Dunleavy and Chris Wallace are going to set the tone for draft day festivities.  That's crazy.  Quite literally anything could happen. 
  3. Picks 3-10 are an effective league-wide no man's land.  Some teams will love Player A while other teams will find the same player to be a steaming pile of garbage.  Let's say, as a complete hypothetical, that the Knicks have their hearts set on Stephen Curry.  If he comes off the board before they pick, the next highest guy on their list could be a guy who is projected to go in the 20s.  This wide range of possibilities and talent evaluation likely exists for several teams and the chances of lotto movement is probably higher than it is in a more hierarchal draft.   With teams like the Bulls and Blazers talking about possibly wanting to move into the lotto; and with teams like Sacramento and Washington in Jordan Hill land; and with the aforementioned duo of crazies at the top of the action, anything can happen.  The Clippers have Chris Kaman, Marcus Camby, and Deandre Jordan with the BPA being a big.  The Griz have Mike Conley with the BPA being a point.  No pick in this lotto is unmovable and no team is above making a trade.  The Wolves' most valuable asset in this entire draft might be the 18th pick.  If some team misses out on their top guy and their next highest rated player is slated to come off the board in the late teens/early 20s, the Wolves could make a move.  Bottom line: there are lots of options and it is a volatile atmosphere with two matchsticks controlling the action.

As for the final portion of our little recap, I'd like to point to a tidbit from Andy G about Fred Hoiberg:

First (and most importantly) he emphasized that Taylor has offered GM candidates full control for personnel and coaching staff decisions. He wanted fans (and specifically, the blogosphere) to know that Taylor isn’t insisting anything related to he or McHale. How much truth there is to that, I haven’t any idea.

I received a few emails seconding as much.  Here's the thing: None of us really know what is going on with this GM search.  We know that the Wolves are in the market for someone to head up their Basketball Operations department.  We don't know what demands are being made in terms of responsibilities or salary.  Period.  Perhaps its time to do a Donald Rumsfeld run down of knowns, unknowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns, but the bottom line here is that there aren't a lot of knowns and it probably isn't fair to the team to speculate about this, that, or the other.  That's going to be our MO going forward.  We've said our piece about them looking for a bike in a car dealership and that's as much editorializing on the subject we will do until the next move is made.

That being said, even with a large amount of unknowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns, this isn't exactly a pretty picture.  Let's take a quick break from basketball to talk about Jennifer Aniston.  Sure, she's very pretty and most of us are generally inclined to be attracted to her, but for some unknown reason she just keeps getting ditched by potential suitor after potential suitor.  Is it fair to speculate that she has never gotten over Brad or that she is a weird control freak who keeps body hair samples of her past lovers?  Probably not.  What it is sort of fair to do is speculate that she might be the one with the relationship issues, and that instead of getting hung up about unfair speculation as to the specific things went wrong on this, that, or the other break up, her fans do have a good reason to wonder why, in general, no one on earth seems to want to maintain such an attractive partner with lots and lots of assets.

And so go the Wolves.  Attractive job? Check, it's one of 30 in the world and it's for a professional basketball organization.  Lots of assets? Check, numerous first round draft picks, cap space, and lots of room to show off one's creativity.  Despite all of this, Our Beloved Puppies are now on beau #4 with only a month before the biggest day of the offseason. 

We here at Hoopus respect Hoiberg, and as a fellow kid from Ames I have a soft spot in my heart for the guy.  What we want him, and the team, to know is that throwing all of the speculation aside, this entire process still looks terrible and we have very little reason to believe that it will end well or be done competently. 

Despite all of this, here is where I think most of the die-hards are at right now:

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We all want to believe that our favorite team has the goods to be successful and happy.  We all want to believe that they know what they are doing.  Yet, the object of our affection keeps getting ditched in fantastic public fashion.  Instead of getting out ahead of the story and developing narratives of their own, the team we want to believe in remains quiet and passive on the public relations front.  It's frustrating and those of us who still care are left to put together the pieces on our own. 

The team needs to get out ahead on this process and start developing its own themes and story lines.  This is not a complicated process.  If Papa Glen really does want Hoiberg to be talent evaluator and he is simply looking for someone to be a cap/contract/business guy, do they really think most of us who still want to believe would be upset with that ? Do they think acknowledging as much would tip their hand to potential candidates (who probably know all there is to know about their operation in the first place)? 

We want to believe.  We want to be positive and not speculate.  What we also want is for the team to be more aware of the situation at hand and act accordingly.  That is all. 

BTW: For those of you who can't get into playoff basketball without the Wolves, there is some world class entertainment going on over at CSPAN this week.  If there is anything I geek out about more than basketball, it is the legislative process.  Yesterday there was a day long markup in the House Energy Committee concerning the upcoming climate bill.  If you are at all familiar with guys like Joe Barton, Henry Waxman, or what it means when you turn on CSPAN at 11:00 PM and see a room full of petty arguing fools, then you absolutely need to turn into the action whenever something related to the climate bill pops on the tube.  It is high comedy, tragedy, and peep show all at once. 

The highlight of last night's markup marathon was watching a conservative Republican grill a Florida Democrat on an amendment that would change a piece of US code in order to clarify a certain regulatory process for the states.  In between harrumphs about how the US was headed down the path towards a "socialist Spain" the poor gentleman managed to string together a single coherent thought about how his objection was based on the frivolity of this particular amendment.   In his mind, the amendment was a simple power grab and that the states did not require it for clear headed operation under existing US law.  After a few more jabs at the socialistic nature of the amendment (which, in reality, gives more power to the states to decide how they produce energy...which is another cosmic joke all unto itself), this schmuck asked the committee's legislative council if this amendment did what he thought it did; which, for the record, was why he was opposing it as a naked, socialistic power grab.  "No, no it does not.  It gives direction to the states."  The look on this guy's face was more priceless than Hoiberg's when he squeezed the teddy bear at last year's lotto.  He then proceeded to vote against the amendment even though he was told it did not do the one thing he objected to. 

The really sad part is that there were numerous chuckles and jokes about the fact that this was simply another part of the game (the hearing was filled to the brim with inside baseball). That's your government ladies and gentlemen!!! It's not just that we are ruled by idiots; it's that we are ruled by idiot perverts who love nothing more than to stroke one another behind closed doors.   At another part of the hearing, Lee Terry (a Republican from Nebraska) appeared to make a joke about how he couldn't vote for a sensible Democratic amendment (the law clarification one) because he had already voted for a Democratic amendment about an hour before and he received too many evil eyes from his GOP brethren.  You can now add high school cliquishness to the stupidity and perversion. 

Anywho, it's fascinating theater and it will make you laugh, cry, and throw things at the TV all at the same time. 

Until later.

UPDATE: The festivities in the House Energy Committee continue to be the best thing on television.  You can read about the markup on the committee's website by clicking here.  Yesterday's highlight was Tennessee congresswoman Marsha Blackburn pontificating on the non-existence of global warming because of the recent "strawberry winter" in her native central Tennessee.  Blackburn is from Brentwood, which, if you are familiar with the Nashville area, is a perfect fit for her--and vice versa for the district.  As you might imagine from someone with such an amazing scientific mind, her professional background is in retail marketing.  Regardless of your stance on this issue, you have to truly admire the gonads of someone who has such a strong stance on an subject she knows absolutely nothing about, nor is trained to deal with in any sort of serious manner.

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I freely and willingly admit that I do not do as much discovery on my US Senators, Represtativces and President as much as I do on basketball. After reading this, it’s nice to know that it is EXACTLY the way I thought it would be. Thanks for the info and if I ever get CSPAN on my TV, I may tune in some insomnianic night.

Sometimes the obvious is hidden.

by frankenhoops on May 20, 2009 11:48 AM CDT reply actions  

I lost a lot of trust after observing a Representative use her speaking time to dress like this and yell "Go Gators" (and I'm not conservative)

And she isn’t an unimportant deep bench player. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debbie_Wasserman_Schultz
Democratic Steering and Policy Committee. Chief Deputy Whip. Appropriations Committee. Judiciary Committee. “30 Something” Working Group. “Although only in her third term, Wasserman Schultz was ranked, according to the Congress.org 2008 Power Rankings, as 24th most powerful member of the House and 22nd most powerful Democratic representative (also most powerful Florida representative)”

by Norsktroll on May 20, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's much worse than...

….you can possibly imagine, and the worst of it is done behind closed doors or late in the night/early in the morning. It’s about as far removed from the I’m a Bill song as possible. Do you know that an entire bill can be rewritten in conference committee or as an entirely new rule onto itself and then be passed along to a vote with no one but the conferees or leadership reading it (if at all)? I don’t think people have a clear idea about just how much of Congress’s day-to-day operation is fraudulent. It’s post office namings and filler material for press clippings. The real stuff now (post Gingrich) all happens at the leadership/committee leadership/conference level. This way, large corporate donors don’t have to spread the wealth as far as they used to; they can simply donate to a few key members and everything will go their way. It’s horrifying….but ultimately very funny, especially when people talk about change and whatnot. And this is coming from a guy who voted for Obama and is a lifelong DFLer. I’d say it’s just about beyond repair at this point. Not to blame any single group, person, or party, but the 94 GOP revolution (combined with the rise of cable news and talk radio) started off an escalating political arms race that only serves to detach policy from electoral politics. This is how we elect people on the basis of change and wanting to have beers with them while knowing absolutely nothing about how the hot dogs are being made these days.

If you want real entertainment, tune in to CSPAN when Defense Authorization comes up. If you really want to have a firm grasp on just how far gone our elected officials are, that’s the time of year to pay attention.

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by Stop-n-Pop on May 20, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Too much common sense makes my head hurt

SnP, Taylor could do a lot worse than to hire you. Keep plugging away man.

by Dave T on May 20, 2009 12:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks Dave...

…my first order of business would be to fire myself and hire a real GM or to run the world’s first fan interactive personnel operation. Somehow, I think both of those characteristics (to say nothing about my complete lack of knowledge of how an NBA franchise really works) would take me off the list. That being said, I’d take it in a second and do my best to involve fans as much as possible. This organization has a broken relationship with its fans and that has to be repaired.

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by Stop-n-Pop on May 20, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Leaning toward a Harden/DeRozan choice

It appears that if anything, the PG crop keeps getting deeper and deeper. Both Calathes and Holiday seem to be rising up some boards of late and can be added to the Maynor/Flynn/Teague possibility at #18. And that’s why I’m leaning toward a big 2-guard with that first pick. Unless Curry or Jennings just knocks our socks off and clearly differentiates themselves in workouts/combine, then I’m hoping we call DeRozan or Harden’s name in June. Debating the merits of these two is a whole other matter.

by Rascal Flatts on May 20, 2009 12:31 PM CDT reply actions  

As much as I really hope they get Curry...

…short of them making a trade for an established player, I think the Harden/DeRozan + best point available at 18 is the best way to go in this draft. I think Calathes is going to be there. Harden/Calathes or DeRozan/Calathes is a pretty nice haul in this draft. If they can add Victor Claver with the 28th pick, I will be a happy man.

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by Stop-n-Pop on May 20, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

My ideal draft...

… is Harden/Holiday or Harden/Mullens. I think Harden has a lot of Brandon Roy in him as a lead guard and perhaps better scoring instincts than Roy. I’m not saying he’ll be a better player than Roy, but I think we’d be lucking into a pretty special player if we got Harden at 6. I saw DeRozen several times before his big tourney run and I wasn’t impressed at all. To me, it doesn’t look like he has any top-level skill that he’ll be able to fall back on in the NBA (except jumping higher than everyone else). He’s a mediocre spot up shooter who can’t handle the ball well enough to create his own shot, and his scoring instincts don’t seem sharp. He could be an adequate defender, but again, I don’t see him being a standout, and I think Brewer can give us everything at the three that DeRozen could. I just don’t see his upside being as high as others do unless he figures a lot of things out.

I think Holiday will surprise a lot of people and become a very good NBA point guard in a few years. The knock on him is that he didn’t do a lot for UCLA last year. I can’t argue with that, but the guy just looks like an NBA player both physically and mentally. He has Stuckey’s body but unlike Stuckey, he’s a natural point guard and an excellent defender. Perhaps the most impressive thing about Holiday is his composure, smarts, and “cool.” He seems to know what the right play is and make it. That’s a pretty rare quality for a freshman with the kind of physical tools he has, and I think he’ll end up making some team a lot better in a few years. But I expect him to be off the board at 18.

Mullens, my other choice at 18, is essentially a pure potential pick. He’s kind of like the DeRozen of centers at this point; great body, but a lot to learn. DeRozen obviously had a better season than Mullens, but neither has cashed in any of their potential at this point. The reason why I like Mullens at 18 is because he’s seven feet tall and thus fills a need for us, and it isn’t a big deal if your number 18 pick busts. But if we draft DeRozen and he busts, we’re facing yet another draft-related setback.

by Shogun on May 20, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe we should trade the pick

Boston traded the #5, in a weak draft, and Wally’s contract for Ray Allen. (I think those were the details of that trade).

What would this year’s #6 and Mike Miller’s contract bring us? I’m getting less-excited about the 6th pick, the more I read different people bashing the different players. I haven’t seen some of these guys play very much, but none of them seem like sure-things.

by Andy G on May 20, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Spurs...

…for Parker. I’ll leave it in the other fan post, but I had that trade in my updated building a winner post and I just saw that Bill Simmons went with a version of it in a chat so I put it up in the form I had it. Even with an expiring contract Manu will be hard to trade and Duncan isn’t going anywhere. Parker should be the #1 target. Aim high.

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by Stop-n-Pop on May 20, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would be a homerun trade...

but I doubt SAS would do it. I suspect they’ll do like Utah did in the late 90’s with Stockton-Malone and just ride out the Parker-Ginobili-Duncan Era for all its worth.

by Andy G on May 20, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Another possiblity

Early rumors/ suggestions are that the Wizards will try to trade the pick. Here’s my suggestion: Offer 18 and 28 plus Foye for the the #4 pick and Andray Blatche. You’ve got a young backup C (very good BV defensive marks last year), and then some combination of Curry/DeRozan/Evans to pair with Brewer (in my opinion, take DeRozan and Evans). Then you’re stocked with solid young players, while maintaining your bigger trade chips (Miller, Madsen, Cardinal);

1 – Evans/Telfair
2 – DeRozan/Miller
3 – Gomes/Brewer
4 – Love/Jefferson
5- Jefferson/Blatche

by McCleak on May 20, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think they want to trade the pick without taking back (current) picks … no?

Beater of the early Thabeet drum ... but not so much of the late one

by Wim (Belgium) on May 20, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will 100% guarantee...

…that Andre Blatche will never be a Timberwolf. At the beginning of the year he had fellow teammates openly laughing at his suggestion that he had “put it all together” and he was later caught partying out on the town while he was supposed to be hurt. I’m not saying that people can’t go out while hurt, but he’s not the type of guy I can see the Wolves brining in. Talented as hell but when other players think he’s a joke who won’t get it, and he seems more interested in the night life than the court, that’s an issue.

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by Stop-n-Pop on May 20, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

DeRozan and Mullens

DeRozan has a superior mid-range game compared to a lot of guys in this draft and there is no reason that he won’t just get better and better in this regard. Unlike Harden, he has the lift to get that mid-range jumper off from anywhere on the court. He also didn’t exactly play in a free wheeling system where there were a ton of possessions to be had. He played in a structured, defensive-oriented system and unlike Holiday, seemed to get better as the season wore on and the lights got brighter. What if he had Darren Collison or Ty Lawson as his PG instead of Daniel Hackett? He didn’t exactly have a great set-up guy that could get the most out of his athleticism. I’m not necessarily saying I prefer him over Harden (I’m torn actually), but I also don’t think DeRozan is a huge stretch at #6. Lots of NBA shooting coaches will gladly work with a soft-touch mid-range jumper and feel that they can stretch that out to NBA 3-point range over time.

On Mullens, I’m not a fan. He showed basically zero promise in terms of his defense and rebounding. The fact that a guy with his size and athleticism couldn’t get it done defensively suggests that it’s just not in his DNA. He did show some nice flashes offensively, but that’s not really what we need upfront. I think we need to go PG at #18.

by Rascal Flatts on May 20, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I take your point...

… but I interpret DeRozen’s mid-range game (which I think is good but not “superior”) differently: it looks good because it’s his only real skill at this point. He can’t dribble enough or see the floor well enough to excel one-on-one, and he lacks three point range. I’m not that having Lawson or Collison would make any difference in overcoming these deficiencies, which lie with Demar. he might’ve averaged a few more ppg, but he’d still have the same weaknesses coming into the NBA. I’m not saying DeRozen isn’t a pro prospect, but I think he’s going to have a relatively limited offensive impact on whatever team he goes to, and at this point I’m not sure if his mid-range game would be worth giving up on Brewer (or relegating Brew to a smaller role to make room for DeRozen), especially when the opportunity cost would be passing on a player who might fill a bigger need for us.

I think you might be right about Mullens. All I’m saying is that at 18 you can roll the dice and hope that a big talent pans out. Risk/reward.

by Shogun on May 20, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

yea, the difference in Brewer and DeRozan makes drafting him rather pointless for me. Some see him as Carter, but he simply does not have advanced skills more than a non-rebounding Ariza.

by revprodeji on May 20, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

What kind of skills did Vince have as a UNC freshman?

I remember him being great at alley-oop dunks, but not exactly a polished player, right away.

I don’t think we’ll have the chance to draft Harden at 6, so I think it’s going to be a debate between DeRozan, Jennings, Curry, Clark and guys like that. Within that group, I think DeMar’s upside makes him a pretty good pick.

by Andy G on May 20, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

He wasn't...

Even a starter his freshman year. He was this hyped freshman who then got outshone by Antawn Jamison. Of course, the question then becomes whether DeRozan will be able to develop in the pros like Carter did at UNC. I think DeRozan was just asked to play a limited role on an upperclassmen-dominated roster, and he was willing to do what was in the best interests of the team.

by pagingstanleyroberts on May 20, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

#6- Minnesota Timberwolves. Will Consider: James Harden, Stephen Curry, Tyreke Evans

The Timberwolves need a point guard in the worst way, and James Harden may actually be the best passer of the group of players still left on the board. Better yet, he compliments Randy Foye extremely well in the backcourt, allowing him to defend point guards and act as a shooting guard offensively, making this a real win-win situation for Minnesota if he indeed slips this far.

http://www.draftexpress.com/blog/Jonathan-Givony/#Post-Lottery-Analysis-The-Implications-3220

by Norsktroll on May 20, 2009 2:02 PM CDT reply actions  

I fully agree...

… Harden is better on the ball, allowing Foye to float around and hoist jumpers off of Harden’s penetrate and kick moves. I think that would a nice duo, especially given that Harden brings some size, which drafting a smaller guy like Jennings would not do.

by Shogun on May 20, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

do like te point that they can play Foye at PG and Harden at SG on D and then switch em around on offense.

Beater of the early Thabeet drum ... but not so much of the late one

by Wim (Belgium) on May 20, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I Want to Believe

But, I don’t know if I can. I’m going to just stop thinking about the situation at 600 1st Ave. N. until news is made. I’ll come back again when there’s an hiring in the front office and around the draft, but this team can drive me absolutely crazy.

Keep up the good work. It’s not your fault that I’m going into Wolves blackout. :)

by SBG on May 20, 2009 2:11 PM CDT reply actions  

they do have a way with..

….getting people not wanting to watch them ;)

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by Stop-n-Pop on May 20, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

If it was any team other than Memphis or LAC that would get my beloved Romeo Rubio then I would have jumped ship last night. I cannot endorse a team obsessed with being mediocre.

by revprodeji on May 20, 2009 2:27 PM CDT reply actions  

It's not just that they're obsessed with being mediocre.

 They’re obsessed with Kevin McHale. The big problem with this process is that they didn’t start interviewing people back in f’ing December. How could they have not known it would have come to this? My god, you relieve the Basketball VP of his duties in December of last year and you don’t have a better plan in place right now?

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by Stop-n-Pop on May 20, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes...

At the very least, he could’ve interviewed guys when the season was wrapping up. What’s the difference between doing that and waiting until the playoffs? Lost time.

by pagingstanleyroberts on May 20, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nail...head...bang...

Papa Glen is so unwilling to admit his mistake on McHale that even now…well over a decade later…he won’t do what’s necessary.

It seems like Taylor thinks he’s playing a game of poker, and he’s “pot committed” on McHale at this point. The idea that he could fold and wait for the next set of cards seems lost on him.

"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"

by mutleyil on May 20, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Conclusions

[I’m trying to have this discussion without breaking the new Hoopus rules about GM speculation. Not sure if that’s possible.]

0. I want to believe.

1. I feel like the Wolves are my kid. Except my kid is an arrogant punk. But I love the kid and I make excuses for him and although I try to provide advice, the kid knows I love him and thus doesn’t really change his ways. So, although I don’t want any harm to come to my son, I secretly hope that one day soon, somebody will layout the arrogant punk, teach him a lesson that no parent really can, and force the lovable little bastard to wake up and get his shit together.

2. Taylor likes Hoiberg because Fred would not have done the Mayo trade. Evidence: It’s the most obvious decision that an ignorant NBA owner who thinks he knows basketball could use to evaluate front office talent. After the draft Hoiberg was excited about keeping Mayo. [Being a Love fan I think Hoiberg was wrong, but Glen’s looking at that scoring average and the Rookie of the Year voting.]

3. If the Wolves stick with Hoiberg, I’m hoping for either obvious success or obvious disaster. I need some irrefutable evidence that this is either working or not working. The absolute worst outcome would be a 30-32 win season that shows some evidence of improvement but still leaves a fan base full of boo birds. The best outcomes are a 35+ win season with at least a .500 home record or a 24 win effort that demonstrates a serious lack of progress and maybe, finally erases all possible excuses.

3. I continue to be amazed at the ability of Wolves fans to defend the current ownership and front office. I hope you’re right.

5. I want organizational change so badly that I’m close to rooting for a complete disaster next season. I’m not talking injuries, they only offer excuses. I’m hoping for a Wittman-esque start to the 2009-2010, a Wittman-esque middle, and a Wittman-esque finish. Hello, I sorta hope things get so bad that the Wolves hire Wittman to make things better.

6. What if Wolves front office meetings were CSPAN?

by littleboxes on May 20, 2009 2:48 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

If the Wolves were on CSPAN..

….they’d probably have more viewers. I think the most frustrating thing about being a Wolves fan, in general, is that I’m fairly certain that a group of informed fans could run the team as well in all aspects as could this current front office. I’m talking about everything from contracts to player development to the draft. I’m fairly certain that some of the people in the front rows have good management experience and there are some folks out there who are very good at public relations. To have to watch them bumble through decision after decision is beyond trying because you want to really like the players and the product but it’s being presented to you in a way that makes you want to take a drill to your head. It’s almost like they’re a somewhat talented boy band who is being forced down your throat in an over-the-top manner.

I really like the kid analogy. I think that’s spot on. You don’t want anything bad to happen but you sort of know it needs to.

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by Stop-n-Pop on May 20, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

btw...

…the boy band analogy was terrible…disregard ;)

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by Stop-n-Pop on May 20, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hoiberg

Where are you getting this PG loves Hoiberg because Hoiberg loves Mayo bit? My recollection is that when Hoiberg spouted off about loving Mayo, Memphis hadn’t approached us about the trade yet (or the trade wasn’t on the table yet—I don’t remember the particular timing details). Of course he’s going to say that they loved him, and my guess is that short of Love, Mayo probably was their top guy. Nothin’ wrong with that, especially from a personnel standpoint. It’d be different if Mayo imploded last season.

Also, has PG lamented not having Mayo? I guess I don’t remember hearing about that. I also would have thought that the team would have raised a bigger stink about Love getting dissed in ROY voting, All-Star game weekend stuff, etc, but PG can’t be so dumb as to realize that Love represents a better marketing option than Foye at this point. So I guess I’m just wondering where that angle is coming from, that PG values ppg and ROY balloting more than what he sees fans responding to on the court?

by biggity2bit on May 20, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

good points...

….and i’m trying to find the links here to back it up. i think hoiberg just got out ahead of things on the pr front and that taylor may have been invovled in the deal itself. if anyone can find the links, put them down below.

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by Stop-n-Pop on May 20, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's my angle

discussion on the board with regard to high hopes for Hoiberg has been focused around

1. Maybe Glen Taylor has inside information that Hoiberg is the man. This inside information would be the internal discussions about the last few drafts. Maybe Taylor sees that Hoiberg would have made All The Right Moves.

2. post-Hoiberg Wolves front office boobery has been much less offensive then pre-Hoiberg boobery. Maybe that’s the Hoiberg effect?

I’m taking an excemption point #1, in that, I agree Taylor may well have inside information on Hoiberg, but he could be using that information much differently than many are implicitly thinking. My example is a scenario under which
1. Hoiberg advocates strongly for drafting and keeping Mayo and is against the Love trade
2. Taylor sees this as GOOD. As in Taylor looks at ROY voting and comes to conclusion that Mayo > Love.

I’m contending that my scenario COULD be true. In that, it is not inconsistent with the available evidence. I find the scenario rather scary. The point of the scenario is that Glen Taylor judging the merit of basketball decisions is a no-win proposition.

In other words, I don’t want Glen Taylor choosing his new GM based Glen Taylor’s opinion of each candidate’s basketball acumen. I think it’s better if Glen Taylor acknowledges his complete ignorance, and simply cherry picks from a good organization. I’m using PG valuing PPG and ROY voting as an example of how he might actually evaluate decisions. He’s just a billionaire after all and has done nothing to overtly suggest he should be making basketball decisions.

Finally, I share your same recollections of Hoiberg’s Mayo musings. Yes, of course he’s going to say he’s their guy right after they draft him. Using the same logic, however, we can conclude that of course the Wolves will pimp Love for ROY even if some in the organization wish they had kept Mayo, etc.

by littleboxes on May 20, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

also in the post above

1. I apologize for the spelling and grammatical errors
2. I am implicitly asserting that Love>Mayo even without the Miller trade. I believe this to be the case. Of course, there is also no evidence I should be selecting the next GM based on my judgments about each candidate’s basketball acumen. In fact, this is the reason why I believe the Wolves should pick someone from a good organization. Where good organization is the best information I have on a GM candidate’s ability, since I don’t trust my own ability to judge GM talent.

This is why I would never select an internal candidate from my own awful organization.

by littleboxes on May 20, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

aight mayn

afta watchin sum YouTube clips mayn, im fallin in luv wit de boi DeMar PAUSE. mayn, de boi got hops, i like his jumper mayn, he looks exactly like all doze VC comparisons we been hearin.

but den der’s Curry and Harden, who im terrified uv aldoe less den i wuz a month ago.

officially mayn, i wanna kno wut yall think point blank: DeMar, Curry, Or Harden if we cud choose mayn?

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by MAYNHOLUP on May 20, 2009 10:39 PM CDT reply actions  

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