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What the Tweet?!

It's not just South Carolina Republicans who seem to have a problem with the Twitters.  What was the first thing in my feed this morning?  A Kevin Love tweet:

Today is a sad day...Kevin McHale will NOT be back as head coach next season.

Actually, Love's message may have more in comment with the Twitter usage of Utah Republicans:

Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff announced he will be challenging Sen. Bob Bennett (R-Utah) in a Republican primary – by accident.

He posted a series of messages announcing his campaign on Twitter while on a trade mission to Israel, but he didn’t realize that his feed was available for the public to see. He quickly tried to delete his posts, but the damage was done.

Love followed up his initial tweet with this:

P.S. I am not a breaking news guy...I had no idea no one knew..I'll tell them I stayed at a holiday inn express last night. Always works....

Interestingly enough, I've done something very similar to this involving a not-yet-official legislative initiative and an email.  Not quite on the same scale but enough to know that it's not fun and I really feel for the guy as he probably is due for a meeting with the new boss.  Hopefully, he'll be able to keep the Twitter account.

The good folks covering the Wolves over at the Strib are already hot on the case:

Upon seeing the posting, a person in the league was told McHale sent a text message to Love indicating he was not coming back. The person requested anonymity because no official announcement has been made.

New team president David Kahn and a Timberwolves spokesman did not immediately return messages left by The Associated Press.

Kahn was to speak at a Dunkers club meeting this morning, and a Star Tribune reporter is trying to track him down.

Upon further review, it appears that Darren Wolfson deserves credit for first spotting this.  Here's his take on the matter:

Official confirmation should come later today, but the more I see from new president of basketball operations David Kahn, the more I like.


Coaching in the NBA is far more than being an X's and O's master - it's about being able to massage egos. You also need to have great people skills, areas in which it can be argued that McHale had some success in.


But when down two, with .7 seconds left, the coach needs to have the ability to diagram the right play. The coach also needs to properly manage minutes and get his guys to give superior effort, whether it's a Game 7, or a late March contest when you're out of playoff contention.


I'm not convinced McHale was even average in those areas. There were plenty of games from early February on when playing hard wasn't on the minds of most players. Assistants Jerry Sichting and Dean Cooper took care of the play calling and defensive alignments.


Separating the failures of McHale the general manager and the public relations nightmare his return would've been - his return as the coach made no sense, and it's nice to see that apparently Kahn feels the same way.

If all of this officially plays out later today, it does seem a bit weird that Bill Laimbeer just suddenly walked away from his WNBA head coaching job earlier this week.

I know a lot of this depends on who they bring in as coach, and that we're still talking about unofficial events, but what are your thoughts on the matter?  To tell you the truth, I'm kind of bummed.  I liked the thought of McHale having to cook with the ingredients he brought home as well as him having a strong assistant a'la Wittman to his Casey.  I also thought he had the makings of a pretty good coach.  Will the players be upset?  When was the decision made?  What was the time line in regards to the Monday morning breakfast where he told reporters a decision has not yet been made?  Did McHale initiate this decision?  If Laimbeer is the coach is this the ultimate revenge for McHale calling him a gorilla on Cheers way back in the 80s?

What say you?

UPDATE: I suppose I should read the comments on my own site before opening up the feed bag in the morning.  Seth from Posting and Toasting (Curry is ours!!!) dropped it in the comments at about midnight last night and Darren confirmed it less than an hour later:

Just swapped text messages with Love

All he confirmed was…he and McHale talked tonight…so clearly that tweet speaks for itself.

by DarrenDoogie on Jun 17, 2009 12:42 AM CDT reply reply

Gotta love the internets. Breaking news in the comment section.  We'll have more as it becomes available but keep your eye on the Strib as Jerry Zgoda is in the process of tracking down Kahn at a breakfast and Darren has been all over this from the get-go.

UPDATE II: The Strib has an update:

A person with knowledge of the decision says Kevin McHale will not return as Timberwolves coach.

The person, speaking on condition of anonymity because an announcement had not yet been made, told The Associated Press on Wednesday that McHale and new boss David Kahn came to the conclusion that McHale's time with the Timberwolves was up.

The Wolves have scheduled a 1 p.m. news conference today.

That confirms a Twitter message posted by the Timberwolves' Kevin Love early Wednesday that read, "Today is a sad day ... Kevin McHale will NOT be back as head coach this season."

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Stephen Curry. Please.

Posting and Toasting: "Say yo Oak, what's the dish tonight? A couple steaks on the grill and we season it right."

by Seth on Jun 17, 2009 8:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He's not getting past 6

;)

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 17, 2009 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Harden please.

I posted the news first :-)

by College Wolf on Jun 17, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I second the Harden love...

… I think he could end up as the best player from this draft, like Roy did a few years ago.

by Shogun on Jun 17, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We think we traced it...

…to a D-League board. ;)

Over the course of putting this site together we’ve made a few contacts and while I don’t put a lot of the stuff we hear on the site because we don’t want to do that sort of thing, I will say that I’ve heard zero about Harden. I don’t know if that’s a good or a bad thing.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 17, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the first Domino falls.

If indeed this is true, then finally Kahn is making decisions and moving forward with some sort of plan – we hope.

The coaching search from here should be interesting. I wouldn’t put too much stock into Laimbeer’s walking away from the Detroit Shock job just yet. While I do think he left to try to get in on interviews in the NBA, I don’t think it means the Wolves have offered him a job or anything like that. If it does, then I am sure the League Office probably would have a few things to say about it (and not nice things, I can assure you).

If Love’s other tweet is also correct, and he’s not getting traded, that makes me breathe a little easier as well. However, I won’t assume Love’s going to be a part of this team next year until we see them in training camp and he’s still in a Wolves jersey.

In the end, I think this was probably the only decision to make. Fair or not, McHale’s presence, to most of the fan base (particularly the “casual fan”), his presence would have signaled that no real change was occuring here. And any move Kahn tried to make after the fact would be tainted by the fact that the man who doomed this franchise to years of mediocrity still not only held a job in the organization, but held arguably the most visible job possible.

As to possible replacements, they’ll probably look at Mitchell and maybe even in Laimbeer. But I’d like to see them bring in assistants from other playoff/championship teams who might be ready to take on the reins as the Head Coach, like Lakers assistants Kurt Rambis or Brian Shaw (though Shaw might need more seasoning before getting his first HC gig).

Perhaps, since this seems to be the direction they’d like to go, they could bring in an Orlando assistant not named Patrick Ewing?

by BLayne23 on Jun 17, 2009 9:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Didn't he just sign an extension?

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Jun 17, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe it's just because I felt he was overrated back in the day...

But he’s not a head coach in my mind. Hell, I’ll hedge a little and add the modifier “at least not yet”.

As far as I know, his only responsibility with the Magic has been to mentor Dwight Howard, and it seems this mentoring hasn’t helped Howard develop even one consistent post move yet. That, to me, does not a head coach candidate make.

by BLayne23 on Jun 17, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He wasn't overrated as a player

But that’s really irrelevant.

As far as you know….that’s kind of the point. We don’t know, We don’t know what he did as an assistant, or whether or what his ideas are. He was an assistant in Houston, as well, by the way. He’s been an assistant coach for several years now.

Whether he’d make a good head coach I have no idea, and frankly, neither do you.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 17, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I don't know.

But, I can have an opinion. As all of us do here. If we can sit around and chat about whether we want McHale here or whether we want Sam Mitchell here, the same can be said of any name anyone throws out here.

Why get all bent out of shape over this?

by BLayne23 on Jun 17, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I'm not bent out of shape about it

Tone is tough on a blog, which I usually remember, but sometimes forget. You’re welcome to your opinion, obviously.

I guess my feeling is that we just don’t know enough about a lot of guys who are assistants to have decent opinions. Sam Mitchell is different—he was a head coach and there’s more information about them.

It seems to me that what we know about Pat is that he played for one of the great coaches in NBA history, he’s been an assistant for 2 pretty successful teams (Rockets, Magic) and worked for both Van Gundys. He’s worked with Yao and Howard—how much of their relative successes he can be credited with I don’t know. What else he did as an assistant, I don’t know.

The frustating thing is, I don’t know how to know. I don’t think there’s a real way to measure these things. How good is an assistant coach? How do you even begin to answer that question as an outsider?

I guess I bristled a little because I don’t know why, if you were considering assistant coaches, you (meaning the team) would dismiss Ewing out of hand. Hell, he might be the next coming of Phil Jackson.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 17, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True.

I am probably hasty in my assessment of Ewing. All good points here.

It’s probably just a preference hanging around from my dislike of him and his teams in his coaching days.

by BLayne23 on Jun 17, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Love's exact text message to me....

“Damn you guys are fast…let’s just say I talked to mac tonight and we will leave it at that. You’re a smart guy.”
The last sentence is open for debate…technically, I was not the first one to spot that….An assistant coach in the D-League sent me a text, alerting me, then others saw….it’s not like I did anything out of the ordinary…I just happened to not be sleeping at 12:15 am.

by DarrenDoogie on Jun 17, 2009 9:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's the funny thing..

…about Twitter and blogs. We had Seth from Posting-and-Toasting put it in the comment section before midnight. Within 5 minutes it was on boards all over the place. Within an hour, you had texted Love. Everyone wakes up the next morning with a cool story. Now here’s the part where we really need traditional media to shine. Contacts and legwork are what will be important here and that’s why I wanted to give extra credit to you and Zgoda. I know that at the initial moment of finding the tweet, it’s just a matter of being at the right place at the right time, but the texting and Zgoda following up with updates on his blog deserve credit. That’s solid stuff and it’s a really good use of new media by the paper.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 17, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still.

Way to be on top of things at 12:15 last night. I was passed out on my couch right about then.

by BLayne23 on Jun 17, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not that it really matters...

but I was definitely the first one that posted anything about this online last night.

by College Wolf on Jun 17, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: Laimbeer

Did some quick interwebs research in trying to answer the question—is Laimbeer more of a player’s coach or an X’s and O’s coach? Since the Shock don’t have an SBG blog that I know of, it was difficult getting some fan’s view of him.

However, I did stumble upon two recent articles that paint, I think, a good picture of what he brings to the table: the guy knows basketball and how to win, and the big unknown is whether he can get along with today’s players/whether people in the NBA still hate him. Quotes at the end of the comment.

My personal take is that he has shown enough to warrant consideration as a head coach, and that he wouldn’t be a bad fit for the Twolves at all. He knows the pick and pop game, understands how to get foul calls and play defense, and for all the people that don’t like him, well he certainly seems to be well liked by his team mates (one of those guys you hate to play against, but love when he’s on your side). What’s most impressive to me are the three championships he won with the Shock. Dude can put it together from the sideline.

The big question is—can he massage the egos? It might take him a season or two to get his kind of guys, but players respect former players, and who can argue with championships? I don’t think he’s a Wittman-esque type coach, but then again I could be wrong.

Three games into the WNBA season, Laimbeer resigned from the Shock. He said he wanted to focus on getting an NBA job. Apparently he thinks that by declaring himself a free agent now, he can line up something before NBA training camps open.

Laimbeer has it backward. He thinks the NBA won’t hire him because he has been coaching women. In fact, he has been coaching women because the NBA won’t hire him.



I think I know what the problem is.

People in the NBA do not like Bill Laimbeer.
In an e-mail, ESPN NBA analyst Tim Legler wrote: “I think he will be received well because he is a guy with an NBA pedigree and he won at the highest level possible. Plus, the guys he may have alienated as a player are long gone, so the new generation will only care about what he brings to the table as a coach.”



“Having played will help, but whether he can get along with today’s players remains to be seen,” Legler wrote.

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Jun 17, 2009 9:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

solid

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 17, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Besides, the best player and nicest guy from those Pistons teams

wasn’t really that successful as a coach at the professional level.

(I’d report back on the questions of “How well does Kahn know Isiah” and “What are the buyout provisions of his new college coaching gig?”, but I’m very afraid of the answers I might get).

by PoorDick on Jun 17, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wanted McHale to coach this year...

and It seemed that the players wanted McHale to stay around, but it is probably for the best to move in a completely new direction. My concern is that hopefully this doesn’t set us back any further. McHale definitely had the players playing with more effort, hopefully the new coach can get that out of these guys as well.

by GreasyLlama on Jun 17, 2009 9:31 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Here's a good...

….link from Yahoo Sports:

"Kevin made it clear to [Kahn] that he wanted to speak his mind and be honest about what he thought about matters with team," a league executive said Wednesday morning. "That’s who Kevin is. It doesn’t seem like Kahn was too interested in that."

Is that what led to a mutual decision? If true, is McHale being selfish or unrealistic by not being able to keep his trap shut while watching the cleaning crew mop up his mess? I would be the most disappointed if he was the one who bailed on this. If you’re going to crash the car, and you are given the opportunity to help in the recovery, you don’t get to have input on how the next driver handles his business.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 17, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds to me

Like regular employee relations stuff. It’s not to be the boss when you’ve been the boss. It all ultimately comes back to Kahn now, and Kahn’s given McHale plenty of opportunity to talk and see if things will fit. The question to me is if McHale’s being honest is in the sense of sharing a valid criticism or opinion (which I think is good) or more saying that Kahn should do it McHale’s way or McHale will space out on him and not use the pieces he’s given.

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Jun 17, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True..

….and good take. I tend to gravitate towards believing the latter.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 17, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What this really means

is that Kahn has chosen to take the more radical option. As I wrote several weeks ago, Kahn was debating on a more methodical approach with McHale staying, or a more radical approach with new everything. That is part of what worried me at the breakfast last week – Kahn’s comments seemed to be moving pretty solidly to the more radical approach on everything.

Now everyone deserves a chance, but color me as being skeptical that someone, outside of the NBA flow for 5+ years, and our 3rd choice to boot, is going to come in, make radical changes, and leave us in a better place. It could happen – but what do you think Vegas would give as odds? 1 chance in 5 would probably be the best.

But this site will be hopping for the next few weeks – expect a boat load of change now that this has played out.

by Just A Fan on Jun 17, 2009 9:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good stuff as always..

…and I agree: I think we’re going to see a massive change in the next few weeks…both in the draft and on the first day the salary calendar resets.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 17, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is radical

really going to be any worse than the status quo around here? I forget who posted the 4th best players on championship caliber squads on a different thread, but it was a fantastic reminder of how far we have to go when Rondo, Manu, and Bynum could be considered the fourth best options on their teams. I agree that Kahn’s chances probably aren’t all that great for blowing up everything to work out, but it’s not like the team’s performance is probably going to suffer much either (it’s hard to get worse than 20 wins—even if you just slap something together—assuming you keep a guy like Al or perhaps Love).

And I would also posit that a guy choosing between methodical or radical is probably, in his own mind, choosing two avenues of the same approach. Kahn is an analytical guy, and I don’t think his ‘radical’ is going to deviate from being methodical. My guess is that ‘radical’ to Kahn means that he’s going to analyze the team as a blank slate—that no one is guaranteed a starting position or a return to the team—and then systematically identify the kinds of players needed to for his preferred system.

I hope this includes the return of Al and Love, and even Gomes (he’s a good glue guy—not a starter, but I like the way he plays). But I’m not against Kahn looking at this team as a blank slate instead of carrying forth residual ineptitude from the past.

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Jun 17, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it was Wim

who had the 4th best player thing. And it was a good point. I followed up with a not-as-good point about the 4th best player not necessarily being “great”, or even “good.” Instead, he’s the right guy for the role, with the temperament to do his job in pressure-paiced situations. Gomes and Love both fit that description, in my opinion.

by PoorDick on Jun 17, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Kahn is not the most prepared, best equipped GM to be leading the charge. But can we agree, that McHale proved himself to be the worst?

The beauty of hitting rock bottom…there’s no where to go but up.

Let’s not kid ourselves into thinking radical change is not needed. This team is on the fast track to dissolving (and, no, that is not an overstatement), and anything resembling status quo will ensure it happens.

by DougW on Jun 17, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting...

That not bringing McHale back as coach signals a “radical” option, when to many observers it was the logical first step. And being pretty radical is fine to my mind, so long as you don’t blow up the one or two good things you might actually have at your disposal. Why not add to what few things do really work here?

If they were to trade or otherwise jettison all but two of the players on this current roster, that would be pretty “radical”, and they wouldn’t have to get rid of Love or Jefferson to do it.

by BLayne23 on Jun 17, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If McHale stayed

you would have likely seen 2 draft picks, 1 draft pick trade, no free agent signings, 1 minor player trade and positioning for 2010 while Big Al, Brewer, Foye, etc rebuild from injury.

With McHale gone, I think you can expect multiple trades of draft picks, multiple player trades (Kahn is quoted as saying we only have 2 players playoff caliber), no free agent signings (tough to get anyone here), and a significantly different roster.

I believe we have 7-8 NBA caliber players. I don’t think we were that many players away from competing for the playoffs. NBA championship – not a chance. But then again, outside of a couple of teams – who really does have a chance each year?

But I sure the as hell hope that Kahn knows which ones to discard and which ones to bring in. Plus, I am getting nervous that Kahn may just fee a need to “do something” to justify his authority which, in my experience, does not always work out for the best.

by Just A Fan on Jun 17, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well put

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 17, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

There probably are 7-8 NBA caliber players on this roster, but the pieces don’t totally fit. However, if Kahn is serious about trying to trade Kevin Love, that’s a terrible idea and would reek of just what you’ve described – doing something just to justify his authority.

Were Miller, Foye, Brewer, Smith or Gomes traded, then I’d have to see what for in order to know how to feel about the deal.

by BLayne23 on Jun 17, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don’t forget the fact that only 2 of the 7-8 NBA caliber players are starting caliber. I mean, really 7-8 NBA caliber starting players. Is that supposed to be a positive statement?

Your essentially saying half the roster doesn’t belong in the league at all. And this team is on the verge of making the playoffs. Come on!

by DougW on Jun 17, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Box (re: DougW)

My guess with the trading Love bit is that Love is the most valuable trading asset he (Kahn) has right now, and in his mind if he can trade Love (a third option) for a number 2 or even 1b option, then that’s a good trade for the organization. And realistically, as much as I want to not like it and disparage it because I really like Love as a player, if we can get a legitimate (or dominant, if there is such a thing) #2 or even #1 guy, then that probably is the right thing to do.

Also, I’m a little suspicious that Kahny boy would make moves just to show he’s in charge, as he’s already passed on the best (and most poignant) opportunity to do so—showing McHale the door the minute Kahn was hired. I don’t think Kahn has any concerns about his authority. I think that he really is working very hard to see what value Wolves players have around the league, which teams are willing to move what, and figuring out what this organization needs to do to move forward by figuring out exactly where the organization is.

I think he’s also (from the sounds of some of his responses to questions lately) that he’s beginning to move away from figuring out what strategy (or style) he wants for the team to what tactics (or concrete moves) he needs to take to get there—hence McHale is out, calling all teams to see what’s up, etc. Just an observation and an opinion.

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Jun 17, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Presser

Link.

The Wolves have called a 1 p.m. press conference at which new team president of basketball operations David Kahn will announce McHale’s departure. McHale will not attend.

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Jun 17, 2009 9:55 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This change was probably needed...

the players loved McHale, but that comfort level isn’t necessarily a good thing, when you’ve been winning 20-25 games for the past couple seasons.

A new coach, like the new GM, holds no ties or loyalty to past decisions or personnel, and can evaluate this situation with his own vision of how to make a winning team.

I’d much rather have a proven winner like Jeff Van Gundy or even Sam Mitchell than someone else’s assistant. Those guys, and maybe others out there, have proven that they know how to coach at the NBA level. It’s not rocket science, but there’s clearly a difference between a competent coach, like those two, and an incompetent coach, like Randy Wittman. You risk hiring the latter when you bring in a guy without head coaching experience. Since talent—and not coaching—is going to allow us to become a great team, I’d rather just make sure that there’s a guy that won’t make things worse by standing on the sidelines.

by Andy G on Jun 17, 2009 10:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think we'll see either guy

JVG is a defensive slow-ball type of coach and I just can’t see them bringing in Mitchell unless it is on orders from Taylor. Mitchell is definitely being named in a lot of the stories that accompany the news about McHale.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 17, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I like JVG, but he’s not a stylistic fit, at least right now, and I don’t think they can re-fit to make that a match.

Also, I’m convinced he would cost a lot more than Taylor is willing to spend.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 17, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you're going to build...

…around Jefferson and Love I think there is. I think that’s at the heart of the team’s problem right now. Those two can be very good but they are somewhat limiting in terms of style of play. You aren’t going to win too many 82-78 games with those guys being your starting 4 and 5.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 17, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe...

but I don’t think you can build around that tandem the way that McHale thought you could. And if you do build around a couple of slow big men, I don’t think an up-tempo game is the answer, so we’ll need a coach that knows how to emphasize half-court defense (and offense.)

In any case, I think that there’s enough uncertainty with the current roster that we hire the best coach available, or BCA, if this were a coaching draft:)

by Andy G on Jun 17, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m going to be upfront honest here and let it be known that I have not seen an actual Wolves game this past season. Could you define “slow?” I’m sure, niether one of our “big” guys will beat Rondo or Kobe or LeBron back on the break, but what about Shaq, Okur, Perkins? I’m not looking for fast big men, I want someone who is quick around the basket. Shaq is not fast, but he still has the footwork/quickness around the rim. Not every big guy, unfortunately, can be D Howard.

Sometimes the obvious is hidden.

by frankenhoops on Jun 17, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Talking only about pace of play...

Love and Jefferson are not ideal big men to run the floor. Some big men that are better are Amare Stoudamire, LaMarcus Aldridge, and Pau Gasol. If you want to look back in time, Barkley and Malone were outstanding running big men.

Jefferson is terrible for an up-tempo team, because he wants to get on the block and do his thing under the basket. Love can throw outlet passes, but those only happen about 1 out of 4 or 5 games, and don’t seem to be quite the same in the NBA as they were in college. He doesn’t run the floor any better than Jefferson.

Shaq, in his hey-day, didn’t play on fast teams, his offensive role was similar to Jefferson’s, but obviously more effective. Okur is a perimeter offensive player. Perkins plays on a slow, half-court, defensive team.

by Andy G on Jun 17, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

outlet passes

Outlet passes happen every game, dozens of times. Long home run outlet passes happen maybe every 4 or 5 games or perhaps more frequently when you have Kevin Love on your team. But the ability to literally rifle the ball quickly to a point guard and get into the offense is actually a rare skill and Love has it. Too easily undervalued.

by littleboxes on Jun 17, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's overvalued...

by descriptions like yours above. Love hasn’t been able to outlet the ball as effectively, because taller NBA defenders contest them, immediately after his rebounds. He has a rare ability to throw a ball 100 feet with accuracy, but it doesn’t make much of a difference in the games, at this point.

A 20-foot outlet pass is not a rare skill at all, but just a good habit that Love has, along with many other pro big men.

by Andy G on Jun 17, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is where...

…I really wish we had access to something like Synergy Sports. I tend to agree with littleboxes about the tempo-controlling nature of hitting your point in stride near half court being a big difference. The 20 foot outlet pass of that nature is a rare skill. Hopefully we can figure out a way to track it next year. Setting up an offense quickly is a huge positive…especially if you can catch the opposition in transition.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 17, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

RE: Outlet passes

As SnP says above, it is nice to hit your point guard in stride and get the fast break going. My coach (and I) always said you rest on offense, not on defense. If Love ( and maybe Jefferson) could hit Curry in stride and Curry takes one dribble and hits Gomes in stride for a dunk. Love and Jefferson don’t even have to go anywhere and they get a 10/15 second rest. They don’t have to be fast unless they are running the break or running on the wings.

Sometimes the obvious is hidden.

by frankenhoops on Jun 17, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I completely agree on outlet passing as a good thing to do—nothing ever annoyed me more as a player than when teammates would go ask for the ball from the rebounder, as if he couldn’t have just dribbled it up the court himself.

But Love, in his rookie year, did not make any sort of consistent impact with outlet passing. Lamar Odom, for all of his faults, is a noticeably better outlet passer than Love. He can stand tall, and fire 50-60 foot passes, and he does this fairly consistently. And even then, it doesn’t usually amount to more than a basket per game, if they’re lucky.

Overall, though, I don’t think Love-Jefferson is the type of duo that you look to run the floor with. Thabeet, for all of his question marks that many posters here like to higlight, could probably run the floor better than both of those guys.

by Andy G on Jun 17, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I concur...

… I don’t think it’s obvious that this is a fast-breaking team just because Love can throw an outlet. A lot of his home runs got intercepted or deflected by bigger players. I think Brewer’s a runner, but otherwise there is no clear evidence that our personnel is or will be best-suited to running. Our draft pick will have a big impact on this. For example, Rubio would get us running; Harden would be a better complement to Al in the half-court game.

by Shogun on Jun 17, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about

A D-leaguer or CBA coach as HC? Kahn came from nowhere, so why not get a coach from nowhere (tongue slightly in cheek)? It worked pretty well here once before.

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Jun 17, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I doubt very much that the Wolves would hire a big-name coach—in fact they have a history, since Flip, of doing the opposite. Personally I think Taylor does this to save money. Regardless, I think we will see either a D-League or CBA head coach, or an NBA assistant who has never been a HC before. Perhaps Celtics assistant Tom Thibodeau, much-rumored with regard to HC slots?

by Jackdaw on Jun 17, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a decade too soon.

Three cheers for Kahn being analytical. I say there’s plenty of evidence that McHale is delusional about players and their potential. Further, I didn’t think too much of his coaching. I, for one, am glad that he is done.

Now, let’s get real. Bring it on, Kahn.

by levi_mn on Jun 17, 2009 10:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Few Thoughts

1. Whether this is good or bad in the long-run is hard to say. I think the sentiments that this was a 24 win team are a bit misguided considering the injury situation. I also would question how much of McHale’s fault it is for regressions like Gomes, Foye, and Shaddy which when you consider along with injuries is probably the difference between 24 Wins and a Win Total in the Mid 30’s to around 40 as predicted before the season by Stop N Pop along with John Hollinger.

2. Talent is what ulitmately makes coaches. The two best examples I have cited previously still apply Mike D’Anotoni’s Coaching Stint in Denver in the Late 90’s and Doc Rivers- Pre KG Trade. I’m not trying to say that Coaching’s irrevelant. What I will say is that their are clearly talent issues when Ryan Gomes leads the Team in minutes.

3. I would also questions whether Kahn is “Analytical” ? The Love/Jefferson statement blew my mind that he doesn’t seem to understand the value of winning possessions that Love’s Free-Throw Rate and Rebound Rate along with other skills liked tipped balls in comparsion to Jefferson’s more limited skill-set (Scoring and Rebounding). If Lindsey or Hinkie had been hired I really can’t imagine them making such a statement? Types of thinking like this are what cause teams to overvalue players like Ricky Davis by putting too value into scoring instead of everything that puts a team in position to outscore their opponents.

by Jose Cordoba on Jun 17, 2009 10:43 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I don't know if he's analytical, either...

but if not, it’s a good thing he’s in charge of a basketball team, instead of a bank.

by Andy G on Jun 17, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha ha

I like that—no banks for Kahn.

Perhaps analytical isn’t the best word for him—methodical might be better. I’ve used analytical to describe him (kahn) before, but in my mind I’ve always meant it to mean that he has clear thought and decision making processes that he uses, and not necessarily that he’s a stathead. I think he is very methodical, which is better than not being methodical, and if he really is as anal about it as he seems sometimes, he might learn from his mistakes about over-valuing certain types of production. It would suck to lose a player like Love though for him (kahn) to learn that.

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Jun 17, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

20-20 Hindsight

In retrospect, I think McHale was gone as soon as Kahn was hired. I think Kahn wanted to pick his brain as to strengths and weaknesses of his players, how to push their buttons, why Al is a 5 not a 4, whether Pekovic is a trade asset or a future player, etc etc. I’m not saying Kahn will agree with all of McHale’s assessments, but there is no doubt that McHale knows his basketball.

by Dave T on Jun 17, 2009 10:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

...thru the lens of my reality...

I’m not sure McHale was a goner upon Kahn’s arrival. But I certainly believe that McHale’s vision of what the current team can do and what Kahn believes were far apart. Probably too far apart. But I also think that McHale did not respond well to Kahn’s working style and personality (could their public personas be any more different ?). The decisive, judgmental David probably saw Kevin dithering over wanting the job vs travel vs becoming an ESPN analyst, etc., etc. McHale likely dropped the “Glen-bomb” too often.

Whatever, it’s done. Amen.

by levi_mn on Jun 17, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was just the "typical carpetbagger" kind of stuff...

Excerpted from
http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/article/2009-05-21/timberwolves-tap-kahn-head-basketball-ops

Kahn’s Southwest Basketball LLC owned the Fort Worth Flyers and three other NBDL franchises. When the Flyers moved to Nevada, they left a trail of unpaid bills that resulted in several lawsuits.

Local investor Gary Walker filed a breach of contract lawsuit seeking more than $80,000, while the city of Fort Worth said it was owed $25,000 in back rent.

Walker lost his initial case against Southwest Basketball LLC and is planning to file an appeal.

“Unpaid bills and unfulfilled promises,” Walker told The Associated Press. “It was kind of a bad deal.”

A spokesman for the city of Fort Worth said the sides settled their lawsuit just before the case was set to go before a judge.

Local advertising firm Concussion helped launch an ad campaign for the team when it arrived in Fort Worth, and CEO Allan Wallach complained of slow payments for those services even a year after the contract expired.

In a story that appeared in the Forth Worth Business Press in 2007 after the Flyers announced plans to leave town, Wallach called Kahn’s ownership group “typical carpetbaggers, they took advantage of a number of local businesses and flew the coop.”

In an e-mail to The Associated Press on Thursday, Wallach said Concussion and Southwest Basketball LLC have settled the litigation to the company’s satisfaction.

“I have no opinion of Mr. Kahn and have tried to erase the experience from my memory,” Wallach wrote.

Kahn was unavailable for comment on the matters on Thursday. He will be introduced at a news conference on Friday.

by levi_mn on Jun 17, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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