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Big Al & #6 for Amare?

Not sure if this has been posted but the Boston Globe is reporting that that deal is in the works.

An NBA executive told the Boston Globe today that the Minnesota Timberwolves is working a deal with the Phoenix Suns that would send former Celtics forward Al Jefferson and their sixth pick in next week's NBA Draft for All-Star Amare Stoudemire.

The Suns, which have dangled Stoudemire for some time, fiound a suitor in Minnesota that is in transition. The team announced today that coach Kevin McHale has ended his 15-year association with the team. New basketball of operations David Kahn is looking to take the franchise into another direction.

I guess if you love Amar'e, aren't sold on Big Al's demeanor, and think that a PG at 18 might actually be just as good as the one you get at #6 then this makes sense but even then, would Stoudemire re-sign in Minnesota?

I could see the deal going down with the #18 pick but even then you have the issue of Amar'e's pending free agency.

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Yuck. Yuck. Yuck.

So you lose the best player on the team, plus the chance to acquire a starting perimeter player, for one year of a borderline team cancer with shaky knees? Even if Amare opts out (and since he’s due to earn a player-option $17 mill in 2010-2011, I don’t think that’s a given), and re-signs with the Wolves, how does this make this team any better?

This trade is either:

1. False (most likely)
2. An attempt by the Wolves to rid salary to make a bigger splash in 2010 (ludicrous)
3. An attempt to dump the later years of Al’s contract. (less likely, but not surprising, and way more reprehensible)

The really sad thing is that the Wolves would have to include another small contract (Foye?) to make the deal work.

I will be extremely disappointed if this deal takes place as described.

by PoorDick on Jun 18, 2009 12:23 AM CDT reply actions  

This must be a joke

1. No way Amare resigns
2. Amare makes Al look like Dikembe Mutombo on the Defensive End
3. Amare’s not that good a Rebounder
4. Amare’s not a Pure 5 by any stretch of the imagination
5. This would be insane on some many levels
6. At least we have David Kahn

by Jose Cordoba on Jun 18, 2009 12:33 AM CDT reply actions  

My only hope

is that the “NBA Executive” is Ainge, poking the team that just kicked his best trading buddy to the curb.

by PoorDick on Jun 18, 2009 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting theory.

I could see Ainge doing that too.

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by SoulHonky on Jun 18, 2009 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

OMG--it just hit me.

Then Kahn sends Love to Memphis for the #2, so that he can pick Thabeet and start him at the 5.

Just kill me now.

by PoorDick on Jun 18, 2009 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

What you people don't know about basketball

is that centers are supposed to be tall. Taller than power forwards. Al Jefferson is tall, but not as tall as Thabeet. Therefore, Thabeet will be a better center.

June 4th, 2009: "I wouldn't say in a month, but I'd be stunned if it doesn't look a lot different in the next 17 months."

by Definitely Not David Kahn on Jun 18, 2009 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure what I like the least

Trading Love, Drafting Thabeet, Trading for Amare, or Drafting Tyreke Evans

by Jose Cordoba on Jun 18, 2009 12:53 AM CDT reply actions  

Good God

There’s no way this is accurate. No way. Not possible. Jefferson’s contract is good value, Amare would never stay here, and is a pain in the ass.

I wouldn’t do it straight up, never mind the draft pick.

Seriously, what’s the point? It’s utterly clear that Amare is not a number 1 option on a championship team. Plus he’s 2 years older than Al. Plus, you’d have him for 2 overpaid years and that’s it.

This is complete nonsense. Gotta be.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 18, 2009 1:03 AM CDT reply actions  

To execute this trade....

would be an exercise in such monumental stupidity that we would consider the Jaric-Cassell trade the “Good ’Ol Days”.

You just know we are all going to be sad after the draft.

by Auswolf on Jun 18, 2009 4:44 AM CDT reply actions  

And I already...

have my mates over here hanging shit on me about it. Being a fairly solitary Wolves fan and all.

by Auswolf on Jun 18, 2009 4:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Trust me

there aren’t a whole lot more T’Wolves fans in the U.S. than there are in Australia . . .

by PoorDick on Jun 18, 2009 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Australian Wolves fans unite!!

Good to see I’m not the only one.

Would anyone consider trading Jefferson and Miller for Stoudamire and Barbosa? I think that makes the trade slightly more even but even then, I’m not sure I do it. I really just don’t like or rate Amare

by easeus on Jun 18, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess this is a long-term gain for the Wolves

Barbosa’s another awesome Offensive Player that can’t play D. I would still not do this since Amare’s a One-Skill Player (Scoring) although he’s elite at this where as at least Al can rebound. This says nothing about Amare being an even worse defender than Al. I think it’s fair to wonder what Al’s TS% would be surronded by shooters like Nash, Richardson, and Barbosa.

My favorite Amare trade was for Rudy Gay. This is a perfect trade since both are terribly overrated scorers who contribute little else.

by Jose Cordoba on Jun 18, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

This proposal makes me sick to my stomach.

I wouldn’t trade Big Al for Amare straight up, I definitely wouldn’t give them the #6 with him.

Talk about getting fleeced!

by mnjayhawk on Jun 18, 2009 7:25 AM CDT reply actions  

This story might be a wee bit more reassuring

From the website of KTAR (“Where the Valley Talks”):

Let me dispel these rumors before they start to takeoff as I have received several emails based on some blogs saying Amare Stoudemire is going to Minnesota for Al Jefferson and the #6 pick.

First, the trade would be a steal for the Suns.

Second, Minnesota’s new top man David Kahn might be fired if he made that trade it is so one-sided.

But the truth is that there have been NO discussions between the teams about this trade.
It is a total BS made up rumor with no legs. The Suns are shopping Amare, but more than likely if they don’t find a deal that they love they will keep him and deal with the alternatives at a later date.
So before this trade rumor starts to take off let’s do a reality check — it is not going to happen. It has not been discussed. And it is 100 percent completely made up.

However, there has been word of Minnesota moving Gomes, Bassy, and expirings to Boston for Pierce, Rondo, and Ray Allen . . .

by PoorDick on Jun 18, 2009 7:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Gomes AND Bassy for Pierce, Rondo, and Allen?

I don’t know – we better get a pick in this deal too. (HOMER ALERT)

by princelyfrank on Jun 18, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's an old saying in Tennessee -

I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee – that says, fool me once, shame on – shame on you. Fool me – you can’t get fooled again.

by PoorDick on Jun 18, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I still can't believe we elected him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwCCaJdI3Mw

Bob Dylan has a song on his newest album (the one that sounds like it was recorded in a Tijuana whore house) called A Change Coming On. It’s a clear nod to Obama but with a twist:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94n39Gc652g

We got so much in common
we strive for the same old ends
And I just can’t wait
wait for us to become friends
I feel a change comin’ on
and the fourth part of the day’s already gone

….since Mr. Dylan released an album about America being torn apart on the morning of 9 frickin 11 (the Village Voice review was titled “What Did Dylan Know and When Did He Know It?”) and followed it up with an album filled with songs about average folk getting knocked down and which was named after a depression-era Charlie Chaplain movie right before the economy went to hell, I’m going to say his take on the “change” of the last election is one that is slightly less enthusiastic than people who take that word seriously. Lately, the guy has a disturbing knack for releasing albums that hit a little too close to home for comfort.

BTW, his new album ends with the world actually falling apart:

    People in the country, people on the land
    Some of ‘em so sick, they can hardly stand
    Everybody would move away, if they could
    It’s hard to believe, but it’s all good

    The widows cry, the orphans bleed
    Everywhere you look there’s more misery
    Come away with me babe, I wish you would
    You know what I’m saying
    It’s all good, all good, it’s all good.

The Woodie Guthrie wanna-be turned American icon ends up making an album of irony-filled Mexican music about the death of American civilization. Who knew Bobby Zimmerman was a horseman of the apocalypse? ;)

BTW: How’s that for going off on a tangent? ;)

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 19, 2009 6:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

i heard Rondo and Allen. but not Pierce

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by thewild_viking_twins on Jun 23, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

The C's trade has a better chance

of happening than Amare’ coming here. Why would you trade an moderate contract for a pain in the arse? Talk about blowing up a team.

Sometimes the obvious is hidden.

by frankenhoops on Jun 18, 2009 8:19 AM CDT reply actions  

These type of rumors...

are exactly the reason why I’m terrified of the draft next Thursday. We should be able to make a great deal or two to improve the roster, but I fear the worst and something like this is about the worst idea I’ve seen. Please don’t screw this up Timberwolves!

by twolvesgm on Jun 18, 2009 8:25 AM CDT reply actions  

Phx is probably trying to set a baseline

This is their 1.25 on the 1.00 attempt to fake their way to leverage. I find the Boston deal that involves Ray Allen and Rondo just as ridiculous.

Front offices leak what they want to leak and they don’t leak deals for stars that are going to happen.

by Pants_ on Jun 18, 2009 8:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Glad to hear this is probably just BS...

This deal is SO BAD I can’t even describe it. It is “I AM DONE WITH THE WOLVES FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE” bad. Amare is a poor player, and taking him away from Steve Nash would make him even worse.

He plays ZERO defense.
He is one of the worst rebounding big men I’ve ever seen. He doesn’t block out, and his positional awareness is a joke. Even though he averages 9 reb / game, about 8 of them literally fall into his hands.
He has NO post game. All of his points come on dunks and midrange jump shots.
He’s a whiny, arrogant, prima donna locker room cancer.

I could go on and on. I wouldn’t trade Al for him straight up, and I wouldn’t trade the #6 and filler for him, so I sure as hell wouldn’t give up both He is a painfully limited player that needs to be in a very specific system to bring out the few skills he has. A reunion with D’Antoni in NY, or playing for Nelly in Golden State, would work for him. He should never come anywhere near us.

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by mutleyil on Jun 18, 2009 9:40 AM CDT reply actions  

I would stage a Mutiny and be leader of said mutiny if such trade whent down

Add the Fact that Amare would sign before the trade…and throw in LeAndro Barbossa then we are talking…

by Tony_O on Jun 18, 2009 12:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Starter of rumor backtracking

An NBA source said today that Minnesota forward-center Al Jefferson is not being traded to the Suns with the sixth overall pick for Suns All-Star forward Amare Stoudemire. An NBA executive told The Globe on Wednesday that the teams discussed the trade. But another source acknowledged the discussion, but also said the Suns were quickly turned down. The source added that the Wolves new general manager David Kahn has even called Jefferson, an ex-Celtic, to tell him the trade would not happen. As for Stoudemire, the cost-cutting Suns definitely seem interesting in moving him and his hefty salary.

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/2009/06/jefferson_stayi.html

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by FishingMN on Jun 18, 2009 12:23 PM CDT reply actions  

just planned on popping in to see what you guys thought about this rumor, but it looks like you are all having the proper reaction.

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by cap'n hack on Jun 18, 2009 3:01 PM CDT reply actions  

for the love of god NO!!!!

Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get. ~Homer Simpson

by thewild_viking_twins on Jun 23, 2009 12:32 PM CDT reply actions  

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