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3 Team Wolves Trade

Based on rumors I have a 3 team trade using a team with trade assets (Wolves), a team with cap space (Memphis) that needs talent, and a team in Luxury Tax Hell (Wizards), using the NBA's luxury tax rules to add about $8 million in value to the trade.

Washington receives:

Mike Miller from Minny

 

Memphis receives:

Etan Thomas from Washington

#5 and #6 overall 2009 draft picks.

 

Wolves receive:

#2 overall 2009 draft pick.

Mike James from Washington

Dominic McGuire from Washington

 

Why it works:

For Washington - They get massive luxury tax relief. If they keep their team intact and draft #5, they will have a payroll around $79 million plus luxury tax of around $8 million. They brought in a high profile, high paid coach to win now, not wait for a draft pick to develop. Flip told KFAN before he formally become head coach that he was going to a team with 50+ win potential. Mike Miller is way more valuable NEXT season than anyone they would draft #5. This move brings in a proven player who would give them great depth at the expense of a draft choice that has a 25% chance of being a bust. They also save about $16 million in payroll and luxury tax, money they can use to keep the core together in coming years. This move only makes sense due to current NBA economic conditions, let's take advantage.

 

For Memphis - They can't draft the second best player at #2. Rather than reach for a player at #2, they can probably get the same player at #5 and add the sixth pick. They need to get at least one player out of this draft to pair with OJ Mayo, having these two picks almost guarantees adding a starter if not an impact player. The way the draft boards are setting up, the difference between #2 and #5 is small. Most years the #2 pick would be too good to give up for #5 and #6, but this year it would be better to increase your odds with two high picks. They need to take Etan Thomas (with his $2 million trade kicker) to balance the trade and give Washington tax relief. They have such a low payroll it may make sense to do this to add two players such as Tyreke Evans and Jordan Hill.

 

For Minnesota - They get the player they covet (hopefully not Thabeet...great upside but more risk than Wolves can afford to take at this time). I would rather the Wolves get the #5 directly from Washington and draft #5 and #6, but I just don't think they can give Washington what they want to trade the #5 (massive cap relief). The Wolves also end up saving about $2 million in cap space and I assume would get a trade exception which they could sometime over the next year (not sure about this)? If they can get the player they want and only give up an expiring contract who will not be re-signed, why not do it? 

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This is a good idea

and a nice post. Minnesota improves on the perimeter, Memphis gets better down low, and Washington saves money and adds a player of need. Plus, the Wolves still get to add a Daye-like prospect at 18, and make a EuroStash pick at 28. And they still retain some expiring contracts if they wish to make another move later on.

One of the nicest pieces of news you’ll read today comes from DraftExpress, which says that Rubio might be more amenable to playing in Minnesota than some of his other prospecitve destinations:

Sources say that Rubio’s camp has warmed up significantly to David Kahn and the Timberwolves organization as of late, and that they would not be opposed to him landing there.

by PoorDick on Jun 22, 2009 7:47 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

adding Mike James is never a good idea.

I think that this trade is not a good idea. I am not opposed to trading up to get a better pick but I am opposed to picking up junk and that is what Mike James is. He plays point but does not run a team well. Can’t shoot if there is pressure. Although he is a master of garbage time minutes. Memphis and especially Oklahoma City are not doing well financially. We have expiring contracts and some players who can help them. Foye and Miller could fit on either of those teams. Washington is looking to trade down so why not the 18th pick, Miller/Foye, and a second rounder for the 5th pick. It makes sense for Washington as they want to trade down, they get a expiring contract that can play, and a second round pick.

by lovelace on Jun 23, 2009 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If it goes down

Buy out James right away…We already experienced that cancer on this roster…and Draft Rubio @ # 2…

by Tony_O on Jun 22, 2009 11:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I can't see Washington doing this deal

I can’t see them moving the 5 just for Miller and salary relief. I’ve said this a million times, but I think we’re overestimating how desperate Washington is to shed salary. Top 5 picks just aren’t traded for guys like Mike Miller.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 22, 2009 1:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I think it’s going to take Miller + (Foye or Gomes) + Filler + #18 or #28 for #5 + Salary Relief to make it happen.

by Ebomb on Jun 22, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

I think Miller+Foye+18 for 5 and salary MIGHT be enough to get it done, but even then, I’m not sure they do it.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 22, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

I’ve been looking at Wizards fan boards and it seems that most of their discussion for the #5 picks is either with Minnesota, trying to get Amar’e or keeping it. Every fan on that page claims to stop watching the team if a Miller + #18 for #5 + junk goes down. The only Min/Was trades that seem to have anyone remotely interested is Miller + #18 /Utah 1st rounder + another piece for #5 + junk, with Foye possibly being the additional piece.

I think the most likely scenario for the #5 is:

Miller + Foye ($13.45 Mil salary) + #18
for
Thomas + James + Pecherov ($15.36 Mil salary) + #5

Foye is a young guy with a modest contract who would play in the 6th man role he is best suited for and brings them the bench scoring they desperately need. Miller gives them a veteran player who’s a legit 3 point threat to play opposite Gilbert’s driving. I’ve read that shedding salary isn’t a primary concern but it would help sweeten the deal for them b/c they also save $3.4 Mil (after rookie salaries are figured in) which would equate to $6.8 Mil total savings (b/c of luxury tax). Unless they are getting better offers that no one is talking about I don’t see how this deal doesn’t maximize value for them.

by jballer_13 on Jun 22, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course, Washington could be posturing

for greater leverage in any discussions. “Yeah, we’re desperate to get rid of salary” doesn’t really give them the upper hand.

by PoorDick on Jun 22, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I'm recommending this

just to get the “Trade for Greg Oden” post off the sidebar as quickly as possible.

And it’s a good idea.

by PoorDick on Jun 22, 2009 5:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Much Appreciated

I keep seeing “New comments” in that article only to click and see 6 more Portland fans weighing in how stupid everyone on Canishoopus is

by Ebomb on Jun 22, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like we

don’t already know.

by PoorDick on Jun 22, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For some unknown reason

that thread reminds me of the Movie “I Am Legend”

by Jose Cordoba on Jun 22, 2009 7:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Chad Ford at four letter...

is claiming this trade is being discussed:

Second, the Knicks have had talks with the Wizards about acquiring the No. 5 pick. If the Knicks draft a point guard there, they’d likely go in another direction with their second first-round pick. Their offer was Larry Hughes for Etan Thomas and Mike James and the fifth pick. The Wizards were once high on Hughes and are in the market for a veteran player who can propel the team to a championship right now. They’d save some money in the deal, get a player who could help them … but is that enough for the No. 5 pick?

I have to believe T-Wolves can beat that offer from the Knicks…many of the ideas above are better offers than this one from Knicks.

by TWolvesFanInLA on Jun 22, 2009 8:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Weird Trade Alert

Remember a while back all the talk about Houston trying to get into the 2

http://www.thedreamshake.com/2009/6/22/921680/source-trade-with-memphis

Conclusion: I’m not sure what Chris Wallace is going to do, but it’s sure to going to be interesting.

by Jose Cordoba on Jun 22, 2009 9:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That rumor...

…is freaking retarded. There’s no way that the owner of the Grizzlies, Michael Heisley, would ever allow Chris Wallace to take on T-Mac’s $21 million contract for next year. No freakin’ way that deal was ever even discussed. What a weird rumor…tanks for posting that Jose. It makes whatever trade I propose seem incredibly sane.

by twolvesgm on Jun 22, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't this the last year on McGrady's contract?

He’d be a great way to clear a whole ton of cap space quick, even if his basketball value doesn’t live anywhere up to his current contract anymore.

by princelyfrank on Jun 22, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The one thing

I could think of is if Memphis was trying to dump Marko, Darko, and Bucko’s contract on the Rockets. Although Memphis doesn’t have a shortage of Cap Space.

The other thing I would wonder about is why Memphis wouldn’t have interest in Carl Landry. Landry’s not worth the Number 2 pick in the draft- but contrary to Chad Ford’s takes- a pretty good argument could be made he’s worth a late-lottery pick. I’m also kind of curious why the move from Mike Conley to Aaron Brooks (This move seems somewhat lateral long-term).

I don’t know why I’m commenting on this- since this trade makes no sense.

by Jose Cordoba on Jun 23, 2009 12:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting tidbit from the BS Report

Chad Ford said the issues with trading with Memphis center on Chris Wallace’s fear that he’s going to do a bad deal. He compensates by trying to screw the other team in the deal to protect himself, and deals don’t get done. It might be why the rumor exists that they’d need to give up more than #6 and #18 for #2.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Jun 23, 2009 4:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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