Wolves Draft Thread
This is the day folks. Here is your thread to discuss all things Wolves-related. If interesting items become available throughout the day, I will update the post with the appropriate links. Here is what you need to get started:
- Jerry Zgoda's On the Wolves blog
- Jerry's Twitter page
- Yahoo Sports' Wolves page
- TWolvesBlog
- RealGM Wolves board
What is your prediction of who the Wolves walk away with today? I have two guesses: James Harden and Brandon Jennings or Ricky Rubio and Gerald Henderson....and yes, that last one would require them to move 5 and 6. I also think that they take a run at Austin Daye if they have enough gas left in the tank.
What say you?
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Mornin SnP
Should be a fun day
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by FishingMN on Jun 25, 2009 6:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope so
As a long time Wolves fan this has typically been a day to worry about. I’m feeling a bit better about it today. Even if Kahn isn’t really up to it, they should have enough picks to luck into someone good.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 25, 2009 7:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm excited
Even if they draft the status quo by just choosing ‘safe’ picks. That’ll be a huge improvement over trying to either prove that you know something others don’t or that you’re the best scouting team of the NCAA regionals held at the Dome.
I agree that they’ll try for Austin Daye if they can at 18, and if not him, then some 6’ 8ish" athletic type.
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by biggity2bit on Jun 25, 2009 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here are my personal dreams, hopes, fears, and nightmares for the draft
Dreams
Rubio/Harden, or
Curry/Harden, or
Without giving up Love or AlJeff
Hopes
Rubio and any player in the top ten, or
Flynn and Harden, or
Thabeet and Curry/Harden/Rubio/Evans, or
Just Rubio, and
Without giving up Love or AlJeff
Fears
Evans and Flynn, or
Holiday and anybody but Curry/Harden/Rubio, or
Hill and anybody but Curry/Harden/Rubio, or
Trading Love or AlJeff to get any combination of Curry/Thabeet/Rubio/Harden/Evans, or
Not using the 2nd round picks wisely
Nightmares
Using 5 or 6 to reach for a player not ranked in the top 10, or
Just Thabeet, or
Just Evans, or
Trading Love or AlJeff to get Thabeet, or
Selling picks other than 28 for cash
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 7:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree
I went from a smile at the beginning to a frown at the end. I think I’ll reread the beginning again because it’s too early to be havin’ a frown.
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by biggity2bit on Jun 25, 2009 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a fantastic way of putting it
Here are mine:
Dreams
Rubio
Harden
Casspi
Paul Harris
Without giving up Love or Big Al
Hopes
Harden
Curry
Daye or Casspi
Llull
Fears
Evans
Flynn
Clark
Jerebko
The more and more I think about it, if they have Rubio pegged as the #1 guy on the board, I’m with you that they should consider moving 5 and 6 if they can keep 18 and 28 and walk away with something like Casspi and Calathes. Look at what Utah did with Williams a few years back. If you have identified The Guy, you get him. I personally wouldn’t pull the trigger because I’m not sure he’s The Guy but they have obviously scouted the kid a lot and I’d hope they have a solid take on him. His assist numbers are hard to over look and he rebounds the position well. He has good length and…well, I want to believe.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 25, 2009 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm OK with Flynn
As long as he’s paired with a guy who doesn’t play PG or need the ball in his hands. That what doesn’t make sense to me about a lot of mocks having us draft ‘Reke and another point. I think Flynn could be a real solid starter for a long time, so that’s cool, but pair him with a Harden or a Curry. I suppose you could throw in Derozen just for potential (wouldn’t do it myself, at least not yet. Maybe next year when we have a bit more we can risk like that, but this team now just needs bodies who can play).
The other guy I think they’ll target at 18 is Tyler Hansbrough. I would be happy with either Daye or Hansbrough at 18 (or Lawson, if he’s there), but very very sad if we went Mullens. Daye has obvious great upside, and could be a real star in a few years or a solid rotation guy. Hansbrough is almost guaranteed to be a solid rotation guy for his entire career, and would really help elevate our second unit. Lawson would be solid gold at 18. Mullens? Anyone remember Paul Grant? Exactly.
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by biggity2bit on Jun 25, 2009 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt Hansborough lasts to
18, and Lawson won’t either. I have trouble seeing Daye as an NBA player, so I don’t really relish having him. One guy who might wind up being there is Blair, which would be a decent get. Frankly, I’ll be surprised if they use that 18th pick at all.
I agree with SnP that if you think Rubio is the guy (which I do) then you go get him. Get the star. That’s always the hardest thing to find.
by Eric in Madison on Jun 25, 2009 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually believe the team would be better
in the short and long run with Curry and Harden. But I don’t believe both will be available at 5 and 6, anyway.
Besides, whether one likes Rubio or not, a couple of things make him the more likely pick for the Wolves, rather than keeping 5 and 6:
1. I think Moor and Kahn get that pro hoops is about entertainment at least as much as it is about wins. Besides, nobody expects the Wolves to win 50 games next year, and I don’t want the team to make moves in an attempt to win 50 games next year.
2. In terms of on-court and off-court appeal, Rubio is an International Rock Star compared to all other players in the draft, combined. Curry has some cache, Thabeet’s a curiousity, but Curry’s jump shots and Thabeet’s blocks aren’t going to be featured on ESPN’s highlights every night. Everybody will be tuning in, though, to see what kind of crazy pass the kid whips down low to Love, or alley oops to the soaring nameless perimeter player the Wolves will have to scrounge up if they move the 5 and 6 picks to get Rubio. Plus, Rubio is not only flashy, but he provides the stat that a certain demographic tends to appreciate more than others.
3. It still comes down to money. If the Wolves trade 5 and 6 for Rubio, they save $1.5 million in salary each year. Plus, I’m guessing the marginal difference in season ticket sales/renewals will be at least twice what it would be with just Rubio, versus any two other players available in the draft. With the new Twins stadium, new Gophers football stadium, Tubby coaching the mens team, and Favre coming to the Vikings, this teams needs a cost-effective Splash, and Rubio provides it.
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they can turn 18 and 28...
….into something between 9-15, they can afford to go all-in on Rubio. They could likely end up with DeRozan or, God forbid, Henderson. Also, if you go all-in with 5 and 6, you cash out Pekovic. If Rubio is The Guy, then you get him and don’t look back. Walk away with Rubio, Jefferson, Love and the best guard you can get with a combo of Pekovic, Rhino, Brewer, Gomes, 18, and 28. They’ve already conceded next season probably isn’t more than 35 wins so they may as well take a home run cut, right?
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 25, 2009 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a good idea
and even if they can’t add a decent SG via the draft, there will always be a ton of Rodney Carney guys availabe as placeholders until the next move.
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Danke..
…I’m sort of hoping for it. My brain tells me I shouldn’t but when was the last time Minny got the golden goose?
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 25, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing I've been toying with
Does Milwaukee agree to flip 10 for 18 if you agree to take Gadzuric off their hands (2 years left) for Cardinal’s expiring deal? There are other versions of this deal with other late lottery teams.
If you could do that, you maybe can get Wallace to do 5 and 10 for 2, or at least if you do 5 and 6 you still have 10.
by Eric in Madison on Jun 25, 2009 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pre-trade with the Wiz
I like this, too. But unless they can move some of their frontcourt flotsam and jetsam, that’s a lot of guys getting paid to watch Love and AlJeff.
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grizz better take 6 and 10 for 2
They can probably still get Jordan Hill at 10.
by callmeishmael on Jun 25, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I don’t think moving 5 and 6 is as out of bounds as a lot of people. If you’re convinced Rubio’s capable of turning this thing around (and selling a lot of tickets in the process and being a Lindsey Whalen-like presence for the Wolves, to use an imperfect, parochial comparison), then do it. Unfortunately, in razing their backcourt, they need to walk away with two guards tonight, at least.
by jianfu on Jun 25, 2009 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you guys are panicking
All of a sudden 5-6 is reasonable…come on.
by DougW on Jun 25, 2009 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he's The Guy
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/8391843
If Rubio is indeed at the top of their list and they end up picking at 5 and 6 between Flynn and Curry, who are maybe 4-6 on their list, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to get your #1 guy and then move what you can to get a player in the Curry/Flynn range to compliment him by moving around 18 and 28 along with Pekovic and non Big Al/Love players. I don’t think that’s a panic move at all. I personally wouldn’t do it but I get it after thinking about it for a while. How often does a team get a chance to draft its #1 player on the draft board? In terms of last year’s draft, this would be like giving up Love and Gallinari for Rose….if Rubio is their #1 guy. It’s Jeff Green and Yi for Durant. That sort of thing. It’s a huge risk and they would definitely have to walk away with another guard but I don’t think it’s unreasonable.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 25, 2009 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But do you believe a comparison of Rubio to Durant or Rose is appropriate? Would anybody? Those guys were consensus can’t miss prospects. Given Rubio’s significant question marks, how could the distance between him and the #5 or #6 be that large?
Is just seems like a terrible value.
by DougW on Jun 25, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not in this draft
Besides, scorers come around every year. Rose is a great young PG, but not a distributor. Today, I don’t think you could trade Rubio for Rose. But if Rubio eventually averages double-digit assists, he’s special enough to trade for two efficient scorers.
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally..
….I don’t believe that he is, but he’s also not a player that I think we can accurately scout from the stat sheet and the comfort of home a’la college players. If they have identified him as a can’t miss guy, then they should pull the trigger. I will say this: One of the big reasons I was for the Love/Mayo trade was because guys like Love don’t come along very often compared to guys like Mayo. PoorDick makes this point above and I agree with it. I just don’t know if Rubio is good enough to be The Guy and if I were running things I would take Harden and Curry and then field offers from NYC to see just how much they like Curry.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 25, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never a sure thing
Michael Beasley was right there in the discussion for #1 all last year and I think many would say he underperformed what was expected.
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by FishingMN on Jun 25, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can totally see Griffin being a minor bust a la Beasley as well. Great body, but he’s not that skilled. I just don’t think there are any can’t miss prospects in this draft. Which is why I favor keeping as many picks as possible and especially not trading 5 AND 6 for Rubio.
by DougW on Jun 25, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The questions surrounding Rubio are exactly what makes him potentially available. No one in their right mind is trading a Durant, Rose, John Wall type of sure-fire stud to move down a few spots in the draft. They just arne’t. The only way you get one of them is to luck into a high draft pick in the right year.
Rubio, on the other hand, actually gives us a shot at a star, which is something you get once in a blue moon. If you think he’s really got a shot to be that good, I completely understand going all in on the guy.
by Xand1 on Jun 25, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't panic!
Stick to your guns, Kahn! Don’t get conned. Get KAHNED!
by princelyfrank on Jun 25, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes!
What I would give to hear our very own Kahn-y boy say after the draft:
“You’ve just been Kahned by the Kahn.”
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by biggity2bit on Jun 25, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep in mind the 5 and 6 can go from exciting to “FU*K NO!” very quickly. One bad evaluation and we’re potentially watching Rubio whipping alley-oops to Kevin Durant every night while the Wolves are going through Randy Foye v. 2.0. We don’t know what will happen, of course, but you always take quality over quantity in the NBA draft. So, I think if they’re convinced Rubio is a franchise talent, then 5 + 6 is okay. If he’s not quite at that level, then maybe not.
Now, I don’t think they’ll do it. Why? Because their backcourt is currently not even expansion-team-calibur. So they’re going to need guards and lots of them tonight. And going all-in on Rubio might be too risky when they can stand pat and walk away with 2 of Rubio/Evans/Harden/Curry.
I personally think they’re trying to move up from 18 with Pekovic to sweeten the back end of their offer to Memphis. I think if they can get to a point where Memphis is confident they can walk away with Evans + Blair/Clark, Rubio will be coming to Minny.
by jianfu on Jun 25, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It could also be possible
That they are trying to move up from 18 to 13 or 14 so that if Evans and Harden are what’s left after 1-4 go Griffin, Thabeet, Rubio, and Curry, that they have a high enough pick to grab a Holliday, Flynn, Jennings or Lawson
Coming with
Harden + Curry + (Holliday, Flynn Jennings or Lawson) would be a lot of rookie guards, but a lot of darts thrown in a guard heavy draft in the hopes at least one become that special player.
by Ebomb on Jun 25, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Happy Draft Day! Christmas for the dregs of the NBA!
by DougW on Jun 25, 2009 7:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's nice of you to think of the Clippers
but I think they already opened their Christmas present:

by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Clips will have several more #1 overall picks
to screw up before the owner dies. It’s their destiny.
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
5 AND 6?
Better be getting Gay back somehow. I’m a bigger Rubio fan than most, but I don’t see how we’re better off with Rubio by himself than we are with Curry and Harden. Rubio/Gay/Love complement eachother so well, I’d be on board overpaying a bit if we get Gay.
5/6/Smith for Gay/Rubio?
by callmeishmael on Jun 25, 2009 8:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not about 2009/2010
If a PG doesn’t hit his prime until his mid to late 20s, it will be 8-10 years of Rubio at PG (assuming he can bring it). If they think he is The Guy, avoiding trading for him because they can’t get Rudy Gay in return is ridonkulous.
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not necessarily that Gay is the dealbreaker,
I just think (and I can’t believe I’m saying this) I’d rather have Curry and Harden than Rubio by himself.
And I’m staring at my desktop background of Rubio in a T’Wolves jersey right now.
by callmeishmael on Jun 25, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I agree with you upthread
on Curry/Harden making the team better than Rubio alone can do. But their upside is not “amazing.” Risk/reward and all, I’d lean toward Rubio for the long term.
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's....
….the dilemma I’m having with this. I think Harden + Curry would be fantastic. That being said, I’m questioning myself as to whether or not they’d be completely compatible. Do they both require high usage rates to be effective? If you’re going to put the ball in one guard’s hands, who would be the best single player? Curry, Harden, or Rubio? I don’t think Rubio will be able to score a lick or man up anyone for 2-3 maybe even 4 more years. I am pretty confident that he’ll be able to facilitate, rebound, and be fun to watch…provided he can stay healthy. Bottom line for me is that they better have scouted the hell out of him and if they have identified him as The Guy, and they have Curry and Harden in a tier with guys like DeRozan and Henderson, they start calling teams like Charlotte, Milwaukee, Toronto, or Indy to make a deal while they offer up 5 and 6 to Memphis or OKC.
The analogy I have here is one that happened to me a while back. I have been playing guitar since I was 8 years old. I do a lot of flat picking, western swing, and gospel. About 5 years ago I wore out my electric and nylon string guitar at roughly the same time. The tuning mechanisms on both were shot. I had a decent steel string guitar already but when I went into the Podium I saw that they had a sale on one of my dream guitars, a Collings OM that could be used for a lot of the different styles I wanted to play. The problem was it would take all the money I needed for the electric and nylon guitars and I would be left with one great guitar and 2 clunkers. I sprung for the OM and later picked up two decent guitars (La Patrie nylon string and an Eastwood electric) that turned out to be solid investments. Instead of spreading out my money on 3 relatively decent guitars, I now have a world-class steal string and 2 very serviceable backups. If the Wolves believe Rubio is their Collings OM then they have to buy him and enjoy the world class instrument:

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 25, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Start learning to play
flamenco, just in case.
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually tried...
…a few years back. Just don’t have the feel for it. Maybe that’s why I’m not a huge Rubio guy. ;)
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 25, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice guitar... nice analogy.
Completely agree. It all comes down to that big ‘IF’. What does the team actually think about Rubio? What is gamesmanship and what is earnest interest? If they think Rubio is the guy, then they really have to go and try to get him. I find it odd that Kahn would emphatically state that there was no way he’d trade the 5 and 6 for the 2. That strikes me a bit as a bargaining play, but he seemed rather adamant. I would imagine he won’t do it now unless something else comes back the Wolves way.
by Krotz the Wall on Jun 25, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks...
…whatever happens it will also be interesting to see how much gamesmanship Kahn has.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 25, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was watching....
draft coverage on ESPN last night. J. Van Gundy said in order to win in the NBA a team needs a superstar(s). He implied that the position was irrelevant. After this player or players are obtained you then surround them woth complementary players. So, yes, I also get trading up if you have identified “the guy”. My take is that this draft has only one guy- BG. Therefore, I’d stay at 5 and 6.
by Elastico on Jun 25, 2009 8:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well put...
….I’m with you on Griffin. Rubio worries me.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 25, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a sweet board
So cool that you can hit Z to scroll through new comments.
by callmeishmael on Jun 25, 2009 8:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Others probably saw this..
but in that interview with Rubio, where he said “Too cold” about Minnesota, he was chuckling as he said it, and didn’t look remotely serious. Anyway, it looked worse in print, I thought, and I don’t think he has any problems playing here.
He also shot down the Maravich comparisons, saying Pistol was a scorer, and he’s a passer. I think Jefferson would fit in fine with a guy who takes pride in distributing the ball.
by Andy G on Jun 25, 2009 8:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That interview was good to watch
because it reminded you of what he is: a freaking 18 year old. Is there a past example of a teen-aged point guard with his kind of demonstrated skills and resume? It would be one thing if he were 23, or 5’ 10", or had a rap sheet a mile long. Or if he had only played for Oak Hills Academy before declaring for the draft.
But he’ll be one of the tallest PGs in the league the minute he gets drafted (for better or worse). You can’t coach height, but you also can’t teach that kind of court sense, vision, anticipation, and execution (see Randys, Wittman and Foye).
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just hope...
Taylor doesn’t get any wild ideas about illegally paying off his buyout in Spain. It would only be fitting…
by Andy G on Jun 25, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was then
this is now. It’s hard enough to get him to spend money legally, much less illegally.
Some day when this all settles down, we’ll run a post on why I think Glen tipped off the NBA to the Smith contract so that he wouldn’t have to pay a replacement level PF $80 million, but could still tell KG that he tried. Purely idle speculation, of course.
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
twolves28 @ MNsportsfans
Looks like Kahn is working hard to get picks moved before the draft. But sources say no movement will be made on picks 5,6 unless a miracle happens. Sources have said that FO is trying to package the 18 and ($ or expiring contract) to move up a couple spots. There has also been mention that the wolves are intrigued with trading out of the 18 completely if they can get a solid starter (maybe a vet PG) to run the show if Curry/Harden are drafted at 5,6.
He broke the Ricky Davis and the KG trades… one of the only names on the net that I trust as an “insider.”
by callmeishmael on Jun 25, 2009 9:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We can't get obsessed with one guy...
That is how every bad deal ever made has started. A team gets excited about a specific target, and goes all in on acquiring him. I would love Rubio, but I’m not going to panic and make a bad deal to get him. #5 and #18 plus a sweetener (cash, 2nd rounder, etc…) are good value for pick #2 or #3. When the time comes, Wallace or Presti will recognize this and deal if they are truly interested in getting value for their pick.
We know Griffin is going #1, and we know Thabeet won’t last past #3. That means by standing pat, we are guaranteed a choice of 2 from Rubio, Curry, Evans, Harden, which I am totally cool with. Harden/Evans is the least ideal, and would necessitate taking a PG at #18.
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by mutleyil on Jun 25, 2009 9:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You're right--and Harden/Evans
and Maynor or Lawson or Calathes isn’t the end of the world either.
It’s funny that the shiny new Wolves GM is dealing with a perceived moron in Wallace, and a perceived savant in Presti, in trying to maneuver these picks.
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Working
i’ve been staring at my screen at work for the past hour going through all of the draft scenarios on the T-wolves and what I would be happy with or not. I figure it is going to be a long day today. I know Kahn talks about how there are multiple steps over the next 16 months however tonight is far and away the most important one of these steps.
If he can win over most of us with the picks and deals that are made tonight, I will be hooked back on T-wolves basketball. Tonight could set the stage for the next 10 years.
by fan44 on Jun 25, 2009 9:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
…this is the most important off-season for them in a long, long time.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 25, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a point you've been bringing up
since I started coming here, and it’s good to remember. The Wiz trade was such a remarkable change of course for this team, when I think none of us would have been surprised if they just let the expiring contracts expire, and see what fell into their laps. Proactive is so much more fun than reactive, or passive.
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed.
What with burning Miller and Foye’s expiring contracts, that places even more emphasis on today’s draft being the key transformation window. If they trade up, or for players, or package a deal to get an additional 1st rounder next year, there are a lot different options, but they are all keyed around tonight for now. It’s going to be interesting.
by Krotz the Wall on Jun 25, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m gonna be online so hope I’ll find some of you here in a couple of hours (also; hope someone will be able to provide a link to watch it online)
Beater of the early Thabeet drum ... but not so much of the late one
by Wim (Belgium) on Jun 25, 2009 9:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We'll find a link
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 25, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There'll be a live chat on TWolves Blog during the draft.
Nice option if you’re like me and listen to the draft on mute outside of the picks.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Jun 25, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's Entertainment.
My main hope is obtaining Curry, assuming Rubio is unavailable. I would enjoy watching him light it up or doing a pick and roll to “stop n pop” (yikes!). There is beauty in the arc of a nothing-but-net rainbow. With Jefferson doing his thang down low and the heady play of Love, I would find that entertaining basketball—at least at one end of the floor.
by Elastico on Jun 25, 2009 9:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand why there's not more interest in Curry.
He would take a lot of pressure of Al and Love.
by callmeishmael on Jun 25, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exciting day !
Dreams
Jennings
Curry
Daye
Nightmares
Hansbrough
Hansbrough
Hansbrough
I will take Harden too, am I the only one who thinks Rubio will fade away?
by brains-brains-brains on Jun 25, 2009 9:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ford’s latest mock
With 1-4 going Griffin, Thabeet, Rubio and Curry is horrifying to me.
He has us taking Evans and Flynn. I don’t like it.
by Ebomb on Jun 25, 2009 9:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Draftexpress' mock
was more accurate last year, and I think they have the Wolves with Curry and Harden at 5 and 6. I like Chad Ford more than most people, but sometimes he’s actually too tied in, actually, and gets spun by GMs on their intentions.
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
But I have been reading the info from Sactwon and Sam Atter at the Sacramento Bee and they are clueless. Evans and Flynn have all gotten hype, but Petrie has been quiet, and Curry is really Bibby reincarnated. I really hope they take either Evans and Flynn, but ultimately, I don’t think anybody is going to know until the draft. If they take Curry, I don’t like our options.
by Ebomb on Jun 25, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Wolves don't trade up
and Memphis or Sacto takes Rubio, the Wolves will take Evans to see if they can make a post-draft Rubio for Evans and stuff trade.
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
Chad Ford made a comment last night that everyone had Presti picking Lopez last year and then OKC surprised and took Westbrook. Maybe this year Presti has everyone convinced he’s taking Rubio but really wants Thabeet. Who knows.
I officially hate sacramento and wish we had the fourth pick rather than the fifth pick.
by littleboxes on Jun 25, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't believe a thing I hear leading up to the draft...
It’s all BS subterfuge. For all the talk about taking BPA, teams always go for need in the end…ALWAYS! They might draft BPA with a view to flipping him for someone else and an extra asset, but need is always the primary driver. Frankly, it has to be when you are constructing a roster or else you’d end up with 5 PG and no C or something.
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
by mutleyil on Jun 25, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO!!!
If we end up with Flynn and Evans, I’ll want Foye and Miller back. Man, that would start a run of mediocrity for the long-haul, in my opinion.
by Andy G on Jun 25, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Evans and Flynn would be a sever buzzkill. I’m fine with Evans, but not Flynn.
by jianfu on Jun 25, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zgoda Twitter
From Zgoda at 9:15 am today: Wolves source tells me Kahn is “shopping everybody hard” and wild times might be ahead. Could be an eventful draft night…#timberwolves
Also Poor Dick – thanks for the Stuff White People Like site. 10 minutes of good entertainment.
by A.K. Agikamik on Jun 25, 2009 9:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sounding like we'll be moving up...
…this bit of info combined with Memphis getting snubbed by Thabeet and Rubio sure makes it sound like whether through a direct deal or an after-pick swap, we’ll be dealing with them again this year. Personally, I’d rather they convert their 4 first-rounders into 2 of the highest picks possible without touching Love and Jeff.
Oh, and what’s the over under on “tremendous upsides” tonight?
by OkieWolf on Jun 25, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We've already had at least one
“second jumpability” from Bilas on the preview show last night when he was talking about Griffin.
by Eric in Madison on Jun 25, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's rich
I also wonder how many times an iteration of the word “freak” is used tonight. I just did a synonym search and “queer” came up…Big kudos to the first analyst who refers to a player tonight as a “queer athletically.”
by OkieWolf on Jun 25, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Demar DeRozan
He’s a peculiar athlete. Really idiosyncratic.
by feral on Jun 25, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hm, there aren’t a lot of flashy but raw athletes, so it’s gotta be lowest in years. I’d go with “solid starter” as the new phrase du jour.
by Xand1 on Jun 25, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He better keep an eye out for Bellerophon.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Jun 25, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ALLUSION WIN!
Although I’m not sure how he’s a Chimaera. I’m pretty sure he only has one head.
by Xand1 on Jun 25, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure about his head(s)
but I do know that Rubio is a grotesque megrim on the court.
by OkieWolf on Jun 25, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm embarrassed
at just how white I am.
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much of the 6:30 show is run-up?
I.e., When do I have to start watching if I want to pass on Jay Bilas and company telling me things that I already feel I know better than they do?
by TheH on Jun 25, 2009 10:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ha.
Might as well just follow a live blog or something. That’s usually a lot less annoying.
by Krotz the Wall on Jun 25, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dork Elvis
might be trying to pick Kahn’s pocket:
Chad Ford: Watch out for the Houston Rockets. Sources say they have been really active the past 24 hours, having contacted the Grizzlies, Thunder, Kings and Timberwolves about trying to get into the lottery.
It sound like virtually everyone on Houston’s roster is available. Teams report that the Rockets are trying to parlay Tracy McGrady’s expiring contract and Aaron Brooks’ newfound celebrity status into a big upgrade in Houston. Carl Landry and Shane Battier were also mentioned as possible trade pieces.
The Rockets are also among several teams that will be making a run at Amare Stoudemire. With Shaq gone, expect the Stoudemire rumors to start heating up again.
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 10:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yuck. That team has absolutely nothing that interests me.
by Xand1 on Jun 25, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like Carl Landry
if we didn’t already have fourteen power forwards.
by princelyfrank on Jun 25, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quote of the day so far
comes from Tom Powers at the PiPress:
All I know is that if Kevin McHale had the No. 5 and the No. 6 picks in the NBA draft tonight, he would wind up making a trade with himself and, somehow, getting screwed.
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 10:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
New Zgoda twit
I hear Wizards are thrilled with Tuesday’s trade, can’t believe they got Foye AND Miller, think Wolves overpaid for No. 5. #timberwolves
Both sides feel they got value.
by A.K. Agikamik on Jun 25, 2009 10:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jerry > Charlie Walters
Stuff like this makes me appreciate journalists who work for their stories.
The Wolves’ reported trade of Randy Foye and Mike Miller to the team Saunders will coach for the first time, the Washington Wizards, for the No. 5 pick in Thursday’s NBA draft plus Etan Thomas, Darius Songaila and Oleksly Pecherov appears to be a nice deal for the Wizards.
Why? Simple: The No. 5 pick in the draft won’t be as talented as Foye.
And later…
Rubio might not be as good as Foye.
And finally, CDubbs wows us with his knowledge of team needs:
With their No. 6 pick, the Wolves probably could get 6-10 power forward Jordan Hill from Arizona.
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
by biggity2bit on Jun 25, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ridiculous
Is it really that hard to follow 4 major sports teams and the U and have more than basic understanding of them all. Embarrassing.
by Ebomb on Jun 25, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just asked myself that question
yesterday while listening to Barrerio (I know, it’s my own fault) discuss if Glen would be willing to pay the $6 million buyout for Rubio’s contract. Most NBA draft fans are probably aware that Rubio’s buyout is already being negotiated down to $4 million, and the rules only allow NBA teams to pay $500,000 toward the cost of a buyout.
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heard that too
Barreiro was on a sort of run, as far as demonstrating his ignorance of the league and this team. In around five minutes, he completely convinced me that he’s still phoning it in. We’re talking about Kevin Lynch level lack of attention and effort to his job.
by feral on Jun 25, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also claimed that he’d “heard” that Rubio is only 6’2.5 instead of 6’5. No idea where that came from or why…
by Xand1 on Jun 25, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard that Rubio is white.
If this information is true, it has to be a serious red flag, right? A white flag?
by princelyfrank on Jun 25, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Billy, listen to me.
White men can’t jump.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Jun 25, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard that segment
It was beyond off. You can listen to it here.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 25, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
Walters is an embarrassment. I do wish Randy Foye the best though. He seemed like a pretty good guy, and maybe this trade will light a fire under him, and put him in a better situation that makes better use of his talents. Mike Miller is a tool, I hope he gets traded to the Clippers where they turn him into Ricky Davis’ backup.
by DougW on Jun 25, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is hilarious.
I think that both Miller and Foye will be better with the Wizards than they were this past season. They’ll both have better defined roles and more talent around them. Still, I think that was a good trade for both teams… though how good for the Wolves will depend on what else they do.
by Krotz the Wall on Jun 25, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Charley Woodward & Bernstein
Although the updates on who is eating at Mancini’s each week is extremely informative and represents hard-hitting journalism.
by OkieWolf on Jun 25, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, the assistant tennis pro
at Minikhada and his wife just had a baby.
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's good to know...
because they’re “one of us”
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
by biggity2bit on Jun 25, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too much time...
…talking to birds.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 25, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How has this gone under the radar?
http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/2009/06/24/news/doc4a419dadeb1eb042040531.txt
Tyreke Evans was the driver in a fatal hit and run shooting in 2007. This is a big deal—isn’t it? Has anyone else heard this?
by callmeishmael on Jun 25, 2009 10:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
strike three if this is true.
please, please take harden and curry if we can’t get rubio!! please! (and jerebko late.)
by TheH on Jun 25, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d heard it mentioned.. It was his cousin or something. I think his defense was that he didn’t know anything about it beforehand, but yeah, that’s odd that it’s not brought up mroe often.
by Xand1 on Jun 25, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ford and Simmons
alluded to some knuckleheadedness, as well. Of the top ten players, I think Evans has more character red flags than the other nine combined.
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed.
With all the vetting that goes on these days, this is quite remarkable.
by uncle rico on Jun 25, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Hunch
Based on the DX rumor of us trying to use Pekovic and the #18 to move up, is that the Thunder want to pick Mullens as has bben rumored to be their developing defensive atheltic center. They don’t think Mullens will be available at #18 so they told the Wolves that they’d be willing to trade #3 for #5 and say #15, but not for #5 and #18 as they think Detroit or Chicago is going to take Mullens. They probably aren’t interested in Pekovic for some reason. So I’m thinking that Kahn is doing his best to move up with the #18 and Pekovic so he can flip that pick with #5 to get Rubio at #3.
I could be way off base here, but that is my hunch.
by Ebomb on Jun 25, 2009 11:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Right...
I don’t think Kahn has much interest in 3 guaranteed contracts, so he must have some handshake agreement that 5 + (something between 10-15) will get us the 2 or 3, but 5 + 18 will not.
I’d be surprised if he dumps Pekovic to move up a few spots from 18, all the while just staying at 5/6 with no Rubio. Rubio is our guy—he’s gotta be!
by Andy G on Jun 25, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely agree
I think this is exactly what is transpiring…whether it gets done is anyone’s guess (although a pre-draft trade needs to be completed by 1 CST today). I kind of doubt it’ll get done and see us keeping 5 and 6 and using the other two picks for some other deal. Just don’t see three 1st rounders under contract this year…
by OkieWolf on Jun 25, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry Z just twittered
That he thinks a deal with OKC for #3 and Rubio is what is most likely at this point. Kind of makes Harden look like a lock at 5.
Big question becomes—can Rubio and Curry play well together or not? Would they be too big of a defensive liability with size issues? Can Curry play well without the ball in his hands?
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
by biggity2bit on Jun 25, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
… that if they take Rubio they’ll be trading down for a second guard rather than taking Curry straight up.
by TheH on Jun 25, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm willing
to find out if the best shooter and the best point guard in the draft can play together, especially since I believe those two have by far the highest BB IQ of all the prospects.
Getting Corey the Cobra Brewer back to defend on the perimeter would help, as well.
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rubio would be our best option at defending shooting guards...
… that is, if we take Curry and Rubio and intend to play them together. Because Lord knows neither of those two rookies is guarding a single 3 in this league not named Corey Brewer. I just don’t see the logic of taking them both. I like picking up Rubio, snagging Curry, and trading down (at least) to NYK or to Charlotte.
by TheH on Jun 25, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s some interesting info being posted on rubechat:
http://rubechat.kfan.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=44212&sid=bd0ecc89fc8055fb9c43b918fa898f22
The poster has leaked info that seems reliable in the past. If this is really the case, then yuck. He says that Thabeet is the target if they move up to #2, otherwise it’s Evans/Harden and Flynn at 5/6. Double yuck.
by Xand1 on Jun 25, 2009 11:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
These are working their way toward
“nightmare” territory.
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully it’s a smokescreen.. At this point, can we really trust anything? I just don’t really like a Flynn/Evans draft. Not terrible, but far from my favorite.
by Xand1 on Jun 25, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That not only is dissapointing
It makes no sense. We have Bassy and Brewer at the 1 and the 2. Who do we give minutes too? If we come out of this draft with Thabeet at 2 and a guard at 6, that leaves us desperate to trade our frontcourt log jam for minute eaters at the 1-3. We’ll stink this year relying on young guys no matter what, I just think trading both Foye and Miller tipped our hand into wanting guards, and this is a smokescreen to the Thunder, by stating Thabeet is the target, we have less incentive to give into their demands for #3.
by Ebomb on Jun 25, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Stinking this year"
may also be a secondary goal, as well, as it would allow the Wolves to hold onto protected picks for another year (for better or worse).
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, their backcourt right now would make an expansion team blush, and we’re considering a lotto prospect who maybe has Sam Dalembert upside? I don’t buy it.
by jianfu on Jun 25, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please, please don't take Flynn there!
He’s too short and can’t shoot. Don’t buy into his personal charm and his sales techniques! But if you really, really want Flynn at least trade down a couple spots and acquire another asset.
by princelyfrank on Jun 25, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whats the cost to get Rubio???
What will Minnesota have to offer to get Rubio out of his contract with the Spanish team? Thats a big question mark?? Last year we drafted Nikola Pekovic a Center from Serbia, but are we going to see that guy ever play?
I personally wouldn’t draft Rubio. To much B/S to deal with to just get him to come over to play. Pass on Rubio
by KenEJohnson on Jun 25, 2009 11:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll let Steiny-Moe tell you what it will take to trade for Rubio
Marc Stein: The message coming in from rival executives — while acknowledging that everything is fluid with so much chatter in the air — is that Memphis is looking increasingly likely to keep the No. 2 overall pick unless Minnesota sends No. 5 and No. 6 to the Grizzlies.
The Wolves, by all accounts, still aren’t ready to give up that much.
The latest scenario floated to us is that the Wolves, with those back-to-back picks, are leaning toward taking Stephen Curry and Tyreke Evans. Conventional wisdom, by contrast, suggests that the Wolves would take one guard and one big man if they keep Nos. 5 and 6, especially given their need for someone who can guard the rim.
Yet it also must be acknowledged that the Wolves are at the heart of numerous trade scenarios with the four first-round picks they possess.
In other words? Watch this space.
To be a fan of the most intriguing team on the most intriguing day of the year is something that I am truly enjoying.
But I couldn’t take another day like this one.
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 11:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I understand the 5 & 6 picks BUT
What will Minnesota have to offer to get Rubio out of his contract with the Spanish team?
by KenEJohnson on Jun 25, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The most they can pay
is $500,000.
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rubio will live off of his endorsement money.
This kid was built to be in TV commercials for Nike and whatnot. International appeal, looks like an anime character, the girls will love him.
by princelyfrank on Jun 25, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every no-look pass
will be subject of it’s own “Amazing” NBA commercial.
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even these are good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR3TXMbKgVE
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 25, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Traveling Rubio
Is it just me or do most of Rubio’s highlight reel moves on YouTube look like he is palming the ball or traveling (or both)?
I still like him and if he can get away with it great, but we aren’t playing the Washington Generals out there (except when we play Memphis)
by Django Z on Jun 25, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Protecting the rim
Pardon me if I’m really stupid or dense or something, but isn’t that something that Etan Thomas can hold down for a year? The reality is that it is very short sighted to try and fix all of the problems on the Wolves this year, and especially in this draft. That’s probably why we keep hearing all this jabber about Tyreke and Flynn—both of those guys could turn into very good (maybe even great) players 3 years from now.
Assuming that we’ll be a 30 win team next year (OK, maybe 20-25), we might have a better than average chance at winding up with the second or third best big man in next year’s draft (assuming we pick top 6-7 again). I just don’t understand this infatuation with protecting the rim, and the persistent belief that—despite the sudden logjam of bigs that we now have—none of them will be capable of playing defense at even a mediocre level. Who cares for this year? We need talented players. Period. If Adrian Peterson falls to you and you already have Chester Taylor, you take him. If Moss falls to you and you already have Cris Carter and Jake Reed, you take him. I would rather see us draft two guards at 5 and 6 who both turn out to be studs and have to trade one later than to miss on one of those picks.
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
by biggity2bit on Jun 25, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really--
I’d rather rely on Etan Thomas shoving his man into the third row before the guy can even get the ball, than the notion that Thabeet is going to swat away a lay-in without goaltending or fouling.
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anybody know Etan Thomas' current injury situation?
What are the chances that he will play this year versus be injured forever?
by princelyfrank on Jun 25, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also agree...
Thomas’ rebounding and block % were as good or better than Jefferson’s, and his help D is solid from his days playing the middle of the Syracuse zone.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Jun 25, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will say this about Thabeet
I think the best current comparison for him is Yao. Now (before y’all jump on me) I don’t think Thabeet will ever come close to matching Yao’s offensive ability, but I do think that defensively Thabeet can alter games and pose match up problems like Yao can. If I remember correctly, one of the knocks on Yao was whether he’d be strong enough or coordinated enough to match up with guys like Shaq and Duncan. I think he’s (Yao has) showed over the years that lower body strength can be developed and its use coached to the point where natural (meaning god given physical attributes) abilities can take over.
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
by biggity2bit on Jun 25, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And for what it's worth
If I had to pick a Shane Battier type guy out of this year’s draft, it’d be Tyler Hansbrough. A ton of people are down on him, but he’ll be valuable player in the league for a long time. Not a star, but the kind of guy who’ll end up making the rounds on a bunch of playoff teams as either a trade throw-in or FA.
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
by biggity2bit on Jun 25, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lower body
Yao’s lower body is like 6 times as strong as Thabeet’s. But Given that Yao generally sucks at defense and rebounding, I agree with you. Britt is always ripping Yao’s defense as well. I think Yao’s a decent defender, but that most of the decent is derived from him being really, really tall and also huge.
by littleboxes on Jun 25, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Not that I’m trying to defend Thabeet or anything, because I personally think the bust factor is still pretty high for him, but if it is true that he’s only just started serious resistance training, his long term prospects become significantly better—with Yao being the example (again, maybe not offensively, but in how a huge guy can alter games without necessarily being dominant). I mean, at some point, a high center of gravity becomes moot, especially if he adds more lower body and core strength, because in a game where 1 or 2 seconds and a few inches of forward progress determines if I guy shoots or passes, well long arms on 7’ 3" will cause some problems, right? Maybe not. Thabeet will be interesting to watch develop, though. Or not develop.
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
by biggity2bit on Jun 25, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Curry and Evans would be fine. It’d be sort of cool to land those two up top, then try and trade up from 18 to Earl Clark to be that big, athletic 3/4 hybrid they need. I don’t think he’ll be a star, but I think he can play that role. Then let Evans and Clark clamp down on the perimeter while Curry, Love, and Jefferson shoulder most of the offense. That team could have a little Utah Jazz-like feel to them.
by jianfu on Jun 25, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teams always look to fill needs through the draft...
Talk about BPA all you want, but if BPA doesn’t fill a need, teams that take them always look to flip them for a need plus extra assets. Knowing this, let’s examine the needs of the teams in front of us.
1. LAC – Blake Griffin…end of story
2. MEM – They have Conley, Mayo, Gay, Gasol, and a gaping need for an athletic PF. Taking Thabeet is not a good fit, as it pushes the unathletic Gasol to the 4 where he would be destroyed on a nightly basis. Jordan Hill was made for them, and would be good value @ #6. This why I think Wallace will eventually agree to send us # 2 for #6, #18, and some combo of sweeteners. One caveat: it is Chris Wallace who has shown no inclination to do sensible things in the past.
3. OKC – They have Westbrook, Durant, and Green as their core. We know Presti coveted an injury prone, expensive Tyson Chandler, so Thabeet is a no-brainer here. There other need is a 2 guard that would complement said core, which is exactly what James Harden would be. If Wallace keeps #2 and misguidedly takes Thabeet, Presti (who is obsessed with getting value for assets) takes Rubio and trades him to us for #5 and #18. He then gets his man Harden @ 5 and maybe Mullens @ 18 to fill the need at Center. I don’t for a moment believe he takes Rubio and keeps him unless Westbrook is headed elsewhere.
4. SAC – Desperately need a pace-pushing, creative PG. Rubio is the perfect fit, and there’s no way they pass on him here. The only thing I believe less than Presti keeping Rubio are the rumors that the Kings don’t want him. I’m certain this is an effort to try and prevent a team (us) to maove and take Ricky.
By the end of the night, I am about 90 % certain we can do a deal for the #2 or #3 and take Rubio. If we deal with MEM, I think we get Harden with our 2nd pick. If we deal with OKC, then they get Harden and we end up with Evans or Curry.
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
by mutleyil on Jun 25, 2009 11:52 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
This is really good.
Rubio apparently likes Sacto for the weather. But the team worries that he’s not a strong enough personality to handle the rest of the roster. Flynn seems like a more likely choice.
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks...
You know the old saying “Actions speak louder than words?” In pro sports, team needs speak WAY louder than words. That’s why nothing that gets said in the last few days by teams means anything to me. NBA Rosters are basically 12-15 piece jigsaw puzzles…it’s not hard to figure out which pieces are missing.
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
by mutleyil on Jun 25, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree, very well thought out
It makes a lot of sense…is it this easy? We get Rubio and Harden?!? I pray MEM really wants Hill.
by DougW on Jun 25, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It could be that easy...
But Chris Wallace will make it more difficult than it needs to be. I think he has become such a joke around the league that he is being extra difficult and trying to “fleece” somebody. Too bad he doesn’t realize that unless he does business with himself, there will never be anyone that dumb on the other end of the phone.
I think Presti at #3 would be a more willing and reasonable trade partner. This nets us Evans or Curry at #6 instead of Harden, which is a small net loss for us IMHO…
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
by mutleyil on Jun 25, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he has become such a joke around the league that he is being extra difficult and trying to "fleece" somebody.
Chad Ford said that same thing on the BS Report. That’s probably why they’re going for Love or 5 and 6
by pagingstanleyroberts on Jun 25, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Minnesota drafts Curry
Do you think they would trade him to the New York Knicks, since its seems they really want him, if so what do you think we can get from NY for him???
by KenEJohnson on Jun 25, 2009 12:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Doubt they will draft Curry to trade him
unliess they get Rubio and feel like a Rubio Curry backcourt is too problematic. I wouldn’t do a trade, but if you could get 8 and Wil Chandler for 6 (Curry) and Craig Smith, it would be hard to turn down. Take DeRozan 8 at that point, I guess.
I still want the shooter, but Chandler can play.
by Eric in Madison on Jun 25, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Came around
on parlaying Curry to the Knicks? I think that’s a solid deal for the Wolves, and with DeRozan and Rubio, two 19 year olds who can grow together and compliment each other.
by Ebomb on Jun 25, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It depends on whether you like DeRozan at all
I have trouble seeing him be a good player, but as I constantly say, I’ve been wrong before. And I do like Chandler, so I might do it. But really, only if I got Rubio.
by Eric in Madison on Jun 25, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on the caveat of Rubio
I like Curry as the second best PG in this class, so if we don’t get Rubio, I don’t like the idea of trading Curry at all.
I’m going to be dissapointed unless we get Rubio + Something or Curry + Harden/Evans.
by Ebomb on Jun 25, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Ebomb
That’s about where my head’s at as well.
by princelyfrank on Jun 25, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why not do it
Why not trade with the Knicks for their first round pick next year (assuming they have one)? Given them Curry and the #28 for #8 and next years #1 (protected)? Keep those draft picks coming, especially since the Wolves could have zero draft picks next year (if we win and Utah loses).
by littleboxes on Jun 25, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I worry about the team's general lack of ballhandling.
Our 2-guard rotation would be Derozan, Brewer, Carney. We won’t even be able to get the ball across halfcourt without Rubio or Sebastian handling it.
by princelyfrank on Jun 25, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot
Love will just outlet pass to halfcourt
by Ebomb on Jun 25, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OR
Love could just catch the fall at our own free throw line and take trick shots. If we draft Evans and Flynn, that might lead to a higher perimeter shooting percentage.
by littleboxes on Jun 25, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some of these point guards...
are going to fall really far, just due to the number of them, and I won’t be surprised if Flynn is on the list. His personality made him popular at workouts, but his body of work in college and his (lack of) size are not that impressive. If teams end up choosing Lawson and Maynor first, he could fall to 18.
by Andy G on Jun 25, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kahn may be interested in this as well
Latest from Ford
“The Minnesota Timberwolves continue to work the phones as we approach the draft. One interesting scenario that’s arisen is a Knicks proposal that would send Wilson Chandler and the No. 8 pick to Minnesota for either the No. 5 or No. 6 pick.
Why would the Knicks do it? They believe this is a seven-player draft and they’re stuck at 8. If they get to No. 6 they’ll have a shot at Jordan Hill, Stephen Curry or Tyreke Evans there.
Why would the Wolves do it? If they can’t get their hands on Ricky Rubio, most likely they’ll select Jonny Flynn with one of their picks. Since the Warriors aren’t seriously considering Flynn, they can move down two spots, get their guy and pick up a very nice asset in Chandler."
by Ebomb on Jun 25, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yuck
I could be wrong, but Flynn looks like a major misevaluation to me. I’m almost certain more than a few players who get picked after him will be better.
I think this is why 5/6 for 2 is not out of bounds. Is it preferable? No. But you get the consensus best non-Griffin prospect in a very murky draft (Dave Berri’s projecting most of the players picked in the top 10 will be below average NBA players, and sees maybe some more value down amongst the Lawson types). If at the end of the day the Wolves are left with Evans and Flynn Chandler, well, I think I’d rather just have Rubio. You could then try to take a flier on some SGs later in the draft, and maybe flip Cardinal for Hinrich or something. Worry about the wings next draft if need be. But the Wolves have already invested a ton in this draft. If they walk away with an underwhelming return, it could set them back even more.
by jianfu on Jun 25, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nikola Pekovic
Is he in the T-Wolves plans for next year???
by KenEJohnson on Jun 25, 2009 12:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He's going to get moved somehow
We can’t have a frontcourt of Love, Jefferson and Pekovic – we need someone who has some athleticism – and he would be great to throw into a trade.
by TimAllen on Jun 25, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is he even under contract with the team??
If not how do you trade him??
by KenEJohnson on Jun 25, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A team can trade a player if they own their rights. Because the Wolves drafted Pekovic, they own his rights.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Jun 25, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The more I think about it...
The more I think keeping 5,6, and 18 or 28 are the best move. A player’s value is usually at its highest as a young player (Foye was almost traded for Iverson) because if they’re productive, the sky’s the limit; if they’re not, more excuses can be made for their lack of production. I like the idea of buying low and selling high. Put some resources into player development (more coaches, a few appropriate vets) so the young guys have a good chance of succeeding and then move them before their value peaks. That’s another good way to get a superstar (Shaq, T-Mac, Kareem, Barkley, Kidd).
by pagingstanleyroberts on Jun 25, 2009 12:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This years draft seems very weak to me
Why not trade these picks for a proven player thats already in the NBA?? What guys are on the other teams trading blocks that might be better than these guys in the draft???
by KenEJohnson on Jun 25, 2009 12:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Looks like they won't be selling #28 to the Knicks...
ESPN reporting the Lakers sold #29 to them.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Jun 25, 2009 12:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good
Terrible idea to sell that pick. Way too much value in drafting a Euro or Calathes at that point.
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
by biggity2bit on Jun 25, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really like Jerebko.
A team in today’s NBA needs a long, strong #3 who plays defense, unless you are one of the few teams that has a long, strong #3 who is creating the aforementioned need. The former are easier to come by.
by TheH on Jun 25, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you imagine...
…Calathes in a D’Antoni system?
by TheH on Jun 25, 2009 12:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Another reason to draft Rubio now
because the Knicks might be tempted to offer a King’s Ransom for Rubio in a year or two.
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sold on Calathes.
But one thing is for certain: he would be made to LOOK like a steal with results in a D’Antoni system, even if some of it could never be duplicated in a half-court system.
by TheH on Jun 25, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One last thought. If Rubio falls to third, and I were Oklahoma City’s Sam Presti, I’d select Rubio, and — noting the Timberwolves’ imbalanced roster and mandate for a fresh start — negotiate hard for one of the NBA’s best rookie rebounders ever in Kevin Love. As a fallback you could almost certainly get whoever you would have selected third (James Harden is the dominant theory) and an additional pick.
Abbot makes a good point—OKC is not going to pass on Rubio, when they can get their guy (Harden, presumably) and change, at a minimum, in a trade.
by Andy G on Jun 25, 2009 1:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And save on payscale.
Every little bit helps. And unlike Foye/Roy, it actually makes sense for them.
by TheH on Jun 25, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder what's more likely...
or a better trade (for either team)
5 & 6 for Rubio
or
Love for Rubio
I’d rather give 5 & 6 for him—but Kahn already said that’s off the table. I think we need Love-Jefferson to prevent a sub-20 win season, next year. I’d rather have one great rookie than two pretty good ones. Plus, there will be halfway decent value at 18 and 28.
by Andy G on Jun 25, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still saying
the ‘no" to 5 and 6 for Rubio is a bluff. If it works, great. If not, Kahn will include a Wiz big man in the deal, for a return of somebody else to make the deal work, and claim that it wasn’t just 5 and 6 for Rubio.
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
Small sample size, but I don’t think it’s in Kahn’s MO to do those type of verbal gymnastics after the fact. He seems more likely to not commit to something if he hasn’t made a decision.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Jun 25, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I was Minnesota I'd say no
Either Rubio drops to me, or he doesn’t. I think the nat’l media is still trying to drive up interest in Rubio. Personally, as a Kings fan, I think Rubio’s best chance of success is in Sacramento because of his style, strengths and weaknesses, and because of the roster’s strength’s weaknesses.
I don’t think Minnesota is in that boat. I think they also take the chance of reducing their asset’s like Love & Jefferson in a future trade (Or really Jefferson since Love is gone in Abbott’s scenario) by trying their damnest to make Rubio their face of the franchise.
Personally, and while I think Evans is a terrible fit for Sacramento, I think he has every bit of a chance to be great in his own way, but as a SG, which the Wolves happen to have a spot available at, along with Stephen Curry who could completely complement Evans.
Personally, I don’t really care how it goes down. I’m just as excited for Jonny Flynn as I am Ricky Rubio. But, if I was a Wolves fan, I’m not sure I could get behind moving Love to get Rubio. The Kings have already denied that with regards to Jason Thompson. I think the Wolves would find that Love has far more value with a franchise that augments and complements his strengths/weaknesses anyway.
I know fans don’t think that way, and you all want Rubio for every obvious reason, but y’all shouldn’t despair if Kahn stands pat knowing he could get Evans and Curry at the price he’s already given up to get them.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 25, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
especially if it’s Harden and Curry. Although, I’m ready for the team to have a spotlight player.
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but is Rubio worth changing your whole entire team
And moving Love and Jefferson for less value than their potentially worth? You don’t seem like a dumb fellow to me Dick, so if you think that’s a worthwhile tradeoff, I suppose I understand. I wish you well if you think that’s the case, but I doubt it.
That being said, Rubio’s affinity for the spotlight concerns me. That is one of his negative’s to me. I don’t want any coach to play Rubio more than he has to given the huge amount of adjustment it will take Rubio to adjust to the NBA game.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 25, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree Pookey
This team needs starters at 2 and 3, and those positions can be tailored to Rubio’s strengths. Love and Jefferson are fine, especially as they already need to find a 3rd athletic mobile to compliment those two, that player should also compliment Rubio.
Rubio and Jefferson and Love are not mutually exclusive.
by Ebomb on Jun 25, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but is it worth moving up to get Rubio?
If the only way OKC or Memphis take Rubio to trade down, do you think that’s going to include not getting a player like Love back?
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
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by pookeyguru on Jun 25, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Minnesota traded down from #3 to #5 last year and got Miller and Cap Relief for doing so.
Love >>> Miller + Cap Relief
- + Pekovic + Cap Relief is about equal to Miller + Cap Relief.
by Ebomb on Jun 25, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That should read 18 + Pekovic + Cap Relief
by Ebomb on Jun 25, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And 2009 is not 2008
It’s totally a different dynamic. There isn’t any franchise players in this draft, and it’s mostly about what player fits best into your system short and long term.
You’re entitled to believe what you wish. I’m just saying that the history of the draft suggests that taking the best known player or the one that generates a lot of hype is not the one that would have helped your franchise along the way.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 25, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Talk about Hype
Johnny Flynn is rising up draft boards due to a 40" vertical and his bubbly personality. His play this season sure doesn’t warrant a Top 6 pick IMO.
by Ebomb on Jun 25, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither does Ricky Rubio
But, that’s also IMO.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 25, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very True
It’s all a crapshoot.
Really I think the risk is greatest for OKC. Rubio is a risk/reward pick, if OKC takes him and he bombs with Westbrook, that roster is going to be tough to convince Durant to stick with come free agency. Harden is safer in creating an improving team that can convince Durant to stay in a place like OKC.
by Ebomb on Jun 25, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's my biggest problem with Rubio
To me if he was a franchise player, there would be less wrong with him than there is. (There is a lot wrong with his game that would have to be fixed for him to become a franchise player.)
Ebomb, this kid got his shit swatted by guys with 25" vert’s. What do you think’s going to happen if he has to drive for the Wolves constantly?
Not only that, do the Wolves run the pick & roll as a staple of their offense? If they don’t, I think you need to look into Rubio far harder than you have.
Also, I think in loving Rubio so much, you might be missing out on Tyreke Evans (whom I like as much as Rubio but not as much for the Kings which is why I like Flynn or Rubio because they fit a much greater need).
I also think it’s very plausible that someone like Flynn, Griffin, Brandon Jennings or DeMar DeRozan could end up being the best player.
We will see. We might know the answer 3-4 years down the road, and then again, we may not. Shall be fun. See ya around. Have fun.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 25, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
25" Verts
I think the thinking around here, kinda reading through the lines a bit and inferring a bit, is that Euro defenses are better—or rather are better at team defense—than they are here, and so that might influence it a bit. But, before you jump on me for that, I think the biggest thing about Rubio is that he was an 18 year old holding his own at the most demanding position in the second best professional basketball league in the world.
Does that make him a better prospect than Evans? Like so much in this draft, the apple is in the eye of the beholder. It is interesting to think how Evans would have done in Ricky’s position abroad and how Ricky would have done at Memphis. Not that you can just flip the two and use that as an adequate comparison, but it does make for some interesting thinking.
As for the pick and roll and the Twolves preference for Ricky. I think, 1) who knows how much the Twolves will run the pick and roll until they hire a new coach, and 2) you’re set up well already with Al and Love for a guy with preternaturally gifted court vision and passing ability. I think the idea is that you give Ricky a few years to develop and mature (physically and as a basketball player), trusting that coaching can improve his shot.
Tyreke could be great, but I think as long as the Twolves have Big Al they’ll be more inclined to find an elite distributor (whoever that may be) that can feed the ball to Al and later feed the ball to a dead-eye wing.
Just my take on where a lot of the posters ’round here may be thinking when it comes to favoring Rubio over Evans.
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
by biggity2bit on Jun 25, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And not only that
There would be a ton of pressure for Rubio to produce right away. He’s definitely not very likely to do that. How much do you really know about this kid? LOL
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by pookeyguru on Jun 25, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kahn has already stated
That all the guys we draft are going to be young and not produce right away. I don’t think Rubio is going to come in set the world on fire. He would be the PG of the future and would probably be groomed like Love last year, getting 20-25 Minutes a game. I don’t like the idea of trading Love to get Rubio under any circumstance, but I disagree with your position that that is what it takes.
by Ebomb on Jun 25, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Sac could screw this thing up. Sac’s problem is that Memphis & OKC are in front of them. That’s Minny’s problem in the same scenario.
But, that being said, I’m so enamored by the idea of Jonny Flynn that I don’t care if the Wolves take Rubio. But seeing them become successful takes a lot more luck and far more risk involved. Those types of scenario’s are usually what keeps team losing.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 25, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look
I get the idea that everyone over at StR has been having various dreams about Rubio and you have been over there calming expectations and trying to sell yourself on Johnny Flynn. That’s great. You don’t have the assets to move up unless you part with Hawes or JT, which the Kings are refusing.
Rubio has been consensus #2 all season, you can let Wolves fans be excited about going after a player like Rubio, we’ve never had a Top 2 pick in franchise history. Quit trying to burst the bubble.
by Ebomb on Jun 25, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually I would have wetdreams about Jonny Flynn
And your argument is making me re-think my belief that Flynn and Rubio (along with guys like Evans) are really at a dead heat talent wise.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 25, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is Gross
I’m going to go back to having wetdreams about Megan Fox. :)
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
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by pookeyguru on Jun 25, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't
I’m ill equipped.
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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 25, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, Iet me assure you that I can be pretty dumb
and if you don’t believe me, ask my wife and kids.
I don’t want to move Love or AlJeff, and as I’ve mentioned upthread, I think the team is better with Curry/Harden than they are with Rubio. I do believe Rubio has the potential to be great. And since no great free agent will likely come to Minnesota just for the money, the Wolves have to consider players in the draft who may reach that level, more so than say, the Knicks.
But I think with Rubio, Bag of Donuts Shooting Guard, Gomes, Love, and AlJeff, they can still win at least 24 games. And then see how it works, and what opens up. But if they don’t draft Rubio, they’ll never know, and never have an opportunity to find out.
As to your comment about Rubio’s affinity for the spotlight, you’re way off. Watch the video of him on ESPN (where he says Minnesota is “too cold”—it’s 93 degrees here today, but whatever). After tonight, Rubio will be the least egotistic player in the league.
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep #28...
I like Cathales or Beaubois in that spot.
Has anyone heard rumblings about Gerald Wallace in the last couple of weeks? From what I was hearing, CHAR had him undervalued for a 20+ PER player and would love to see him in MIN.
by Boss10 on Jun 25, 2009 1:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"Crazy Rumor" from DraftExpress:
-A complicated three-way trade involving New Jersey, Minnesota and Memphis, which would send Devin Harris to Minnesota, the #5 and #6 picks to Memphis and Ricky Rubio and Craig Smith to New Jersey.
Don’t see that happening…
by OkieWolf on Jun 25, 2009 1:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Me either
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 25, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't want it happening, either
I like Devin Harris. But that system in NJ makes him look better than he is. Plus, he’s like, 8 years older than Rubio!
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So we give up#5, #6, and Smith for Devin Harris...
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This really is silly season…
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
by mutleyil on Jun 25, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about if it involves the #11 coming back?
by Xand1 on Jun 25, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Corey Brewer going to be healthy this Year??
and has anyone shown him where the weight room is yet?? He needs to bulk up
by KenEJohnson on Jun 25, 2009 1:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would give, like, 3 weeks off my life
to find out that Kahn’s in his office alone, with a Blu tooth in his ear, and after gettting a trade proposal from a rival, floats it out on the web to see what dorks like us think about it, and then makes his decision based on the comments at sites like these.
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 1:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It would be Bill Simmons legacy to the Wolves.
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
by biggity2bit on Jun 25, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely convinced that this is being read.
I wouldn’t be surprised if some lower-level guy is in charge of watching out for brilliant suggestions and out of the box thinking.
by TheH on Jun 25, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a ridiculous notion
almost as crazy as trading the 5 and 6 to get Rubio . . . right? I mean, you think that would be crazy to do that, right?
June 4th, 2009: "I wouldn't say in a month, but I'd be stunned if it doesn't look a lot different in the next 17 months."
by Definitely Not David Kahn on Jun 25, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Source "The Oklahoman"
A source told The Oklahoman on Wednesday that Minnesota, which has the Nos. 5, 6, 18 and 28 picks, might try to move up to No. 3, not to select Hasheem Thabeet or Rubio, but Tyreke Evans.
by KenEJohnson on Jun 25, 2009 1:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We saw that yesterday
It can’t possibly be true. There’s no value in that for the Wolves. I refuse to entertain that as a possibility until it actually happens.
by Eric in Madison on Jun 25, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is anywun else
REALLY REALLY worried about a Evans.Flynn draft mayn?!?! dat wud be awful mayn, awful awful awful awful
MAYN HOL UP!
by MAYNHOLUP on Jun 25, 2009 1:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is my nightmare scenario
Talk about a disaster result under the circumstances—blow your assets for the 5th pick and winding up with guys who probably should both be late lottery guys.
dat wud be awful, mayn.
by Eric in Madison on Jun 25, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you might have a new partner, though
to help you chief on the kill.
Um . . . pause?
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
rubio harden or curry harden or curry ruibo nothin else suffices mayn
MAYN HOL UP!
by MAYNHOLUP on Jun 25, 2009 1:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm expecting a Curry/Harden draft.
I remember weeks ago when the first speculation came forward about the Wolves trying to get the #5. At that point, I would’ve been happy with Curry/Evans. The fact that Curry/Harden is now the soup-de-jour… makes me rather giddy.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Jun 25, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My feelings exactly mayn
Those are the exact three guys I am excited about. In fact I will actually feel kind of let down if we don’t get two of the three, I think.
by Jackdaw on Jun 25, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Harden and Rubio...
… will be almost impossible. Curry and Rubio possible, but poor fit makes it unlikely to happen. In short, I don’t see Rubio playing with either of the others.
by TheH on Jun 25, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who do we target in the 11-18 range?
There’s been a ton of talk about the top of the draft but so I figured I would switch gears…
I really hope we go after Earl Clark. He has a really unique skill set and I really want a legit 3 on this team that pushes Brewer to the bench as a D specialist. If Clark isn’t there I would love someone like Lawson/Maynor to be a true PG in the scenario where we draft Curry/Harden. Or if a someone falls out of the lotto like Jennings/Holiday I think we should definitely take a chance.
Not sure if we will move up from 18 but we obviously have the assets to do it.
by jballer_13 on Jun 25, 2009 2:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The best player of the draft is Stephen Curry
BetterLaettner
by BetterLaettnerThanRider on Jun 25, 2009 2:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope every team passes on Tyreke Evans
Anyone else read the thread that was just posted about Tyrekes cousin killing someone in a drive by shoooting and Tyreke was the driver of the car….
The car, in which Evans was a passenger and from where the fatal shot was fired, was driven by his cousin, Tyreke Evans, a standout basketball player this past season for the University of Memphis. He was also a star at the now-defunct American Christian School.
Tyreke Evans was not charged in connection with the case and had been expected to testify in his cousin’s behalf, but has not been present during any of the county court proceedings.
He was the driver of a drive by shooting and doesn’t get charged…His cousin only got 9 to 20 years for killing someone thats insane. and when he get out of jail he plans on living with Tyreke
by KenEJohnson on Jun 25, 2009 2:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Of course he plans on living with Tyreke
Tyreke plans on supporting him for life after he took the rap for this shooting.
by Ebomb on Jun 25, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
It is irresponsible for NBA basketball teams to try to deliver some sort of “punishment” to someone who has not been charged with a crime. Red flag? Perhaps. But not the extent you are talking.
by TimAllen on Jun 25, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tim
Ok if it was a family member of yours that was shot and killed I think you might think a little differently about that
by KenEJohnson on Jun 25, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's probably true
Which is why victim’s family members aren’t allowed to serve on juries. There needs to be objectivity in the process.
by TimAllen on Jun 25, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It will be interesting
To see if this gets any national play tonight. Certainly haven’t heard much about it before today (OK, haven’t heard anything about it before today). KLove’s twitter blew up in hours. We’re not KLove, but perhaps we’ll find out if NBA types really do read this blog. I can hear it now from Kahn, “Well, we passed on Tyreke because of some recent character developments that came to light.”
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
by biggity2bit on Jun 25, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
But Juries didn’t have anything to do with Tyreke not getting charged with anything.
I would love to know why the DA decided not to charge Tyreke. I can only guess Tyreke and his attorney convinced the DA that he had no prior knowledge that Jarmar was planning to commit murder when he gave his cousin a ride. Maybe Jarmar claimed his cousin didn’t know of his plans to kill also. According to the story, charges weren’t filed and later dropped against him. Tyreke was never charged. What other reason makes sense?
It’s certainly not because the DA didn’t want to mess up the young man’s prospects as a NBA player, by giving him a pass on a deserved murder charge. Please.
The judge is a joke, 9-20 years for cold blooded murder. 8years probation, we all know how well ex-cons on probation are supervised. This scum-bag will be walking the streets in less than 5 years and living with his cousin Tyreke, who should be in jail with him. MONEY TALKS AND KILLERS WALK… some things never change.
by KenEJohnson on Jun 25, 2009 3:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tyreke is just as guilty. Tyreke not only drove the car away from a crime scene, he hid the car got rid of any evidence, and he did not go to police until almost a month later because he knew that he had the most to lose.
Thats enough evidence for me to at least hope the Timberwolves do not take him and if would be funny to see every other team to pass on him too
by KenEJohnson on Jun 25, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen.
If the Wolves use their 5 or 6 picks on this no-good thug, I’ll quit the team for good.
Now, if he’s available at the 18, well, that’s another story . . .
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha...
well put.
I don’t like Evans, because I keep hearing about how he can’t shoot and he’s not athletic-enough to be a Dwayne Wade-type of slasher. Seems like a bad combination.
Is this story about the homicide a breaking thing, or is it just something that didn’t get much pub during the year at Memphis?
by Andy G on Jun 25, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't really judge
because my friends and relatives are always asking me for rides, and then shooting people out of the of passenger side window. Must have happened, like, ten times now.
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This was easily the funniest thing I've read today. Just filled a quiet library with laughter.
by TheH on Jun 25, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You must not have read very much today
but thanks.
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a criminal!
But a great value at 18!
Roll on PD, you made me crack up as well. :)
by Django Z on Jun 25, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, this is getting weird. Think about it:
“Tyreke can’t shoot, but he sure can drive…. and let others do the shooting…..”
by Xand1 on Jun 25, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In reference to the parallel between Evan’s game and the story, that is.
by Xand1 on Jun 25, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do i get the feeling...
… that some other potential top 5 guy’s agent broke it?
by TheH on Jun 25, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's crazy talk
an agent would never do something like that. It would be unethical.
June 4th, 2009: "I wouldn't say in a month, but I'd be stunned if it doesn't look a lot different in the next 17 months."
by Definitely Not David Kahn on Jun 25, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why don't sharks attack agents?
A: Professional Courtesy
by Django Z on Jun 25, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe
Jamar Evans was sentenced earlier today..Thats why this is all coming out today, but I do think its weird this wasn’t a big media thing earlier maybe it was but this is the first time I heard about it
by KenEJohnson on Jun 25, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you think you're a little nervous for the draft
how do you think David Khan feels right now? Good thing he is a little cocky to help hide the fear.
by fan44 on Jun 25, 2009 4:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I just see "hospitalized" on CNN
where do you see the news?
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TMZ has a bit on it.
Not that I trust them, but it seems to be getting confirmed from other sources as well.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Jun 25, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His heart refused to beat it any longer.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Jun 25, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No… way. Hahahahahahahahahha, so wrong, yet so right.
by Xand1 on Jun 25, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll always have a soft spot...
….for Thrililer.
The World's Leading Exporter of Small Area Quickness
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 25, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats 47 concerts to refund.....
The UK bookie were taking bets on how many of his London concerts would happen. None was raging favorite.
Oh, and Farah Fawcett has passed away also.
by Auswolf on Jun 25, 2009 5:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Coincidence?
I don’t think so.
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
by PoorDick on Jun 25, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Listen to the demands from OKC
Both Ford and DX have us taking Harden, Flynn and passing on Curry
With just hours to go before the NBA draft officially kicks off, there is still plenty of uncertainty regarding who is going where exactly. Oklahoma City is heavily involved in trade talks for the #3 team, but appears to be asking for too much for the rights to Ricky Rubio.
Minnesota appeared to be playing it cool in regards to Rubio early on, but has emerged as a major suitor for his services this evening, which will make things very interesting leading up to the #3 pick. OKC seems to be asking for Al Jefferson right now…will they settle on Kevin Love?
Right now it appears that Oklahoma City is leaning towards picking Rubio and keeping him as a trading chip to potentially use this summer. A few sources we spoke with mentioned that they still expect Rubio to end up in New York when it’s all said and done.
Oklahoma City is also active in trade talk with Phoenix, with their main target appearing to be Robin Lopez. They are reportedly offering Phoenix their 2010 unprotected pick back in return for Lopez, but that seems like a very high price for the Suns to pay.
Sacramento seems to be leaning towards Tyreke Evans from what we’re hearing, and may have even told him as much.
If Minnesota keeps the pick, it looks very likely that they will take Jonny Flynn with one of those picks, with the other pick likely being used on James Harden. Some people think that DeMar DeRozan could be a target, but that seems far-fetched.
by Ebomb on Jun 25, 2009 5:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OKC can go F themselves and deal with the fallout from picking Rubio if that’s the case.
Not a big fan of Flynn that high, but if he comes packaged with Harden then I guess I’m OK with it.
by Xand1 on Jun 25, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From Hoopsworld.....
A source close to the situation has informed HOOPSWORLD that the Phoenix Suns are now in hot pursuit of Brandon Jennings. The word is the Suns will try to trade up to at least the sixth pick, with Amar’e Stoudemire as the likely bait, as the Golden State Warriors are reportedly interested in taking Jennings at seven so they can trade him.
Feel like renting Amare for 12 months for pick 6? Me neither….
by Auswolf on Jun 25, 2009 5:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Please God...
don’t bring Johnny Flynn to the Wolves, as the 5th or 6th pick.
We could lure Khalid El-Amin from the Ukraine, and get a much-better point guard.
by Andy G on Jun 25, 2009 6:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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